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On June 08 2024 18:23 AlphaZero wrote:
As far as I can see the argument for not lynching Scott is
- he is lynchbait in the past ((although trfel disproved that somewhat)
- alpha is scummy and is pushing a mislyynch
- ???
Doesn't really outweigh the substantively scummy things he has done. None of those apply to me
Ignoring mason neighbour thing since he has since fully dropped it
Rest of filter looks like active hunting to me
I don't care he buddies to me. As town or Mafia it fits how the thread has shaped.
I think he pulled up some interesting posts. He has no such limited cred can't start a wagon either so that's pretty much max output he can do as a townie.
Would he do that as mafia? I genuinely don't think so.
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On June 08 2024 18:26 AlphaZero wrote:
Mocsta can you give me an analysis of Scott from your perspective please Perfectly timed 
Cna you please check out my post #735 re dmb
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On June 08 2024 18:30 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 12:58 Mocsta wrote:On June 08 2024 12:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
Mocsta has been bad so far but I don’t think it makes him scum. One thing I found particularly interesting is that he hasn’t engaged with Scott or vivax at all in his filter awww man, i dont even understand why im not fitting in  woe is me i haven't engaged with vivax because i find his playstyle really polarising which is not conducive to scumhunting.. to be fair with vivax i really need other people to make cases that i can then internalise scott thats a fair call. i do have on my agenda to review now that he has more content which is what i was waiting for.. i was left underwhelmed with his posts when i caught up but did get a spider sense tingle from it. (i.e. underwhelmed beucase of stringing together BS) the player that makes me uncomfortable in the pit of my stomach is AZ, so hes my top scum read.. again. i dont have it as an agenda to push today for reasons i have already stated and are unchanged. will do a deep dive review on scott later today and i want to re-read sandroba people i am not open to lynching today are: oats, trfel, rsoultin, rayn, marv.. i didnt include az as if there was a wagon i would be all over that. Which alignment wants to fit in, also  all can. It's a personality driven thing my dude
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On June 08 2024 18:31 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 18:31 AlphaZero wrote:On June 08 2024 17:23 Mocsta wrote:
I want to see how diemeatballs responds to az voting vivax
Dmb filter is small and concise yet I find I have to really concentrate to not gloss over it.. it's like there is a focus/permission to concentrate on vivax and by extension oats and rest is playful interaction with no purpose that I can identify.
May also fit into theory of not wanting to mason although that's not an argument as very hypothetical.
Does dmb fit into town meta? I really can't be armed to dig through past games.
Which then also is a point of curiosity that dmb made a big deal to requests Scotts past game history.. a glimpse of active and productive townie yet rest of filter doesn't align with that gusto Nothing here makes her mafia imo I can accept that on basis of being in poe. As it doesn't make her town either
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On June 08 2024 18:29 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 17:43 Mocsta wrote:On June 08 2024 08:32 scott31337 wrote:
Who do you want to lynch today Mocsta? Not you. Have read your filter and like how you picked yourself up from all the mason/neighbour discussion in particular examining multiple players which from your situation I assume.tonbe more town likely than mafia. I'm slightly concerned kelsi3r could be a bad townie vote > mafia.. just because the way the wagon is building is a bit odd.. limited buy in (even though majority so far) and also no resistance.. it's possible wagons will take off in final two hours so meh?? So it’s taken me way too long to find this, it’s precisely because I had read this I asked you who you wanted to lynch Mocsta. Your stance on your lynch target seems to be ‘he was very unhelpful’ and as above ‘could just be a bad townie vote’ It’s hardly strong stuff didn't realize I was known for strong stuff
My perception of kelsi3r is mostly unchanged even with all players now posting.
My consideration is exactly as drafted. The build smells to me like mafia are happy with this course of action.
Maybe you don't play with those factors?? It is something I give a weighting towards
I mean I get it's a shit defense mafia can easily throw out. But dude my mafia game is not about being 180 out of sync with dominant players. I don't really know what else I can tell you?
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On June 08 2024 18:30 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 18:28 Mocsta wrote:On June 08 2024 18:23 AlphaZero wrote:
As far as I can see the argument for not lynching Scott is
- he is lynchbait in the past ((although trfel disproved that somewhat)
- alpha is scummy and is pushing a mislyynch
- ???
Doesn't really outweigh the substantively scummy things he has done. None of those apply to me Ignoring mason neighbour thing since he has since fully dropped it Rest of filter looks like active hunting to me I don't care he buddies to me. As town or Mafia it fits how the thread has shaped. I think he pulled up some interesting posts. He has no such limited cred can't start a wagon either so that's pretty much max output he can do as a townie. Would he do that as mafia? I genuinely don't think so. Can you post some hunting he is doing that isn't refrencing me (cause to me that Is a point against him) just curious what you consider active hunting.
https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=28189181
reading it again it could also be a way to +1 onto you.. doesnt personally give me scummy vibes
https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=28189185
fair call out, although could be town or mafia
https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=28189222
this one is a little peculiar *because* on his summary list, he put sandroba as could lynch & rsoultin as town.. so i cant really imagine myself or town asking that question
https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=28189519
i personally think that question aligns with his game position
i think its more likely for town to ask than mafia given my game position
average heuristic at best but one i still give some weighting to
i've ignored the posts relating to you
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On June 08 2024 18:39 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 18:28 Mocsta wrote:On June 08 2024 18:23 AlphaZero wrote:
As far as I can see the argument for not lynching Scott is
- he is lynchbait in the past ((although trfel disproved that somewhat)
- alpha is scummy and is pushing a mislyynch
- ???
Doesn't really outweigh the substantively scummy things he has done. None of those apply to me Ignoring mason neighbour thing since he has since fully dropped it Rest of filter looks like active hunting to me I don't care he buddies to me. As town or Mafia it fits how the thread has shaped. I think he pulled up some interesting posts. He has no such limited cred can't start a wagon either so that's pretty much max output he can do as a townie. Would he do that as mafia? I genuinely don't think so. This is total nonsense btw. Last game scott went (correctly) hard at oats really early. If anything this points towards him mafia here, not town. ohh i see. i wouldnt know mate. have never played with him before and read a game with him
copy, i will drop that weighting
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On June 08 2024 18:36 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 18:33 Mocsta wrote:On June 08 2024 18:30 marvellosity wrote:On June 08 2024 12:58 Mocsta wrote:On June 08 2024 12:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
Mocsta has been bad so far but I don’t think it makes him scum. One thing I found particularly interesting is that he hasn’t engaged with Scott or vivax at all in his filter awww man, i dont even understand why im not fitting in woe is me i haven't engaged with vivax because i find his playstyle really polarising which is not conducive to scumhunting.. to be fair with vivax i really need other people to make cases that i can then internalise scott thats a fair call. i do have on my agenda to review now that he has more content which is what i was waiting for.. i was left underwhelmed with his posts when i caught up but did get a spider sense tingle from it. (i.e. underwhelmed beucase of stringing together BS) the player that makes me uncomfortable in the pit of my stomach is AZ, so hes my top scum read.. again. i dont have it as an agenda to push today for reasons i have already stated and are unchanged. will do a deep dive review on scott later today and i want to re-read sandroba people i am not open to lynching today are: oats, trfel, rsoultin, rayn, marv.. i didnt include az as if there was a wagon i would be all over that. Which alignment wants to fit in, also all can. It's a personality driven thing my dude Come now. You’re smart enough to know that mafia need to fit in and town generally don’t care as they just want to find mafia. That’s not to say it’s a 100% thing else I’d have switched my vote to you immediately. But you know what I’m saying is true. As an aside that’s where the kelsier town read came from. He so blatantly wasn’t trying to pacify you or town. Again this is not 100% but it’s a townie trait and not a mafia trait. you know there was a post before you said.. it works both ways.. scum marv is too smart to do that as well
same with the fit in comment.. scum mocsta definitely wouldnt throw that out there
i hear what you are saying, doesnt change both need to fit in. for me the weighting is a bit stronger cos i have a big ego
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On June 08 2024 18:36 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 18:32 AlphaZero wrote:On June 08 2024 18:28 Mocsta wrote:On June 08 2024 18:23 AlphaZero wrote:
As far as I can see the argument for not lynching Scott is
- he is lynchbait in the past ((although trfel disproved that somewhat)
- alpha is scummy and is pushing a mislyynch
- ???
Doesn't really outweigh the substantively scummy things he has done. None of those apply to me Ignoring mason neighbour thing since he has since fully dropped it Rest of filter looks like active hunting to me I don't care he buddies to me. As town or Mafia it fits how the thread has shaped. I think he pulled up some interesting posts. He has no such limited cred can't start a wagon either so that's pretty much max output he can do as a townie. Would he do that as mafia? I genuinely don't think so. This post is sus- how can you just ignore the points against him? It's like you aren't trying to discern what that means for his alignment. Even Ignoring his opening, his case against me was objectively scummy- Then you call his scumhunting a strong point. It's mind boggling stuff. scott knows about mason, and is unsure about whisperer mechanic
people are conflating that in my mind.. like. i personally dont care about mason/whisperer differences, yet i dont see why someone else cannot care.. yeah its a weird post for town. i have never denied that.. BUT its early game and its not like he stood by that as activity so i dont view it scummy as a filter
i dont know what else to say
p.s. sorry to absolutely cripple you in pain but this post makes me feel most positive about you; enough that i would take you out of my mayor lynch category and back into normal lynch.
some used to refer to my town game as "moc-logic" and you just stumbled into it
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On June 08 2024 19:11 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 19:05 Mocsta wrote:On June 08 2024 18:36 marvellosity wrote:On June 08 2024 18:33 Mocsta wrote:On June 08 2024 18:30 marvellosity wrote:On June 08 2024 12:58 Mocsta wrote:On June 08 2024 12:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
Mocsta has been bad so far but I don’t think it makes him scum. One thing I found particularly interesting is that he hasn’t engaged with Scott or vivax at all in his filter awww man, i dont even understand why im not fitting in woe is me i haven't engaged with vivax because i find his playstyle really polarising which is not conducive to scumhunting.. to be fair with vivax i really need other people to make cases that i can then internalise scott thats a fair call. i do have on my agenda to review now that he has more content which is what i was waiting for.. i was left underwhelmed with his posts when i caught up but did get a spider sense tingle from it. (i.e. underwhelmed beucase of stringing together BS) the player that makes me uncomfortable in the pit of my stomach is AZ, so hes my top scum read.. again. i dont have it as an agenda to push today for reasons i have already stated and are unchanged. will do a deep dive review on scott later today and i want to re-read sandroba people i am not open to lynching today are: oats, trfel, rsoultin, rayn, marv.. i didnt include az as if there was a wagon i would be all over that. Which alignment wants to fit in, also all can. It's a personality driven thing my dude Come now. You’re smart enough to know that mafia need to fit in and town generally don’t care as they just want to find mafia. That’s not to say it’s a 100% thing else I’d have switched my vote to you immediately. But you know what I’m saying is true. As an aside that’s where the kelsier town read came from. He so blatantly wasn’t trying to pacify you or town. Again this is not 100% but it’s a townie trait and not a mafia trait. you know there was a post before you said.. it works both ways.. scum marv is too smart to do that as well same with the fit in comment.. scum mocsta definitely wouldnt throw that out there i hear what you are saying, doesnt change both need to fit in. for me the weighting is a bit stronger cos i have a big ego If you have a big ego then you shouldn’t feel the need to fit in - makes literally no sense mate Does palmar, me, hf try to fit in? different type of dominance trait. regardless. i dont think this helps solve the game
if you are genuinely curious can talk about it more post game.
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On June 08 2024 20:21 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 20:18 marvellosity wrote:On June 08 2024 08:38 Mocsta wrote:On June 08 2024 08:10 marvellosity wrote:On June 08 2024 04:07 Trfel wrote:Having second thoughts about marvellosity. I think I do actually want to pursue this after all. On June 07 2024 22:27 marvellosity wrote:On June 07 2024 19:27 Trfel wrote:On June 07 2024 16:44 Kelsi3r wrote:
I enjoyed Alpha Zero pointing out that scott had basically answered his own question and giving it a red flag. I love shit like that.
What does it say about scott? I don't know
But rsoutlin also liked it so I guess I like Alpha and rsoultin at this early stage.
Trefl and rayn were posting a lot and having a discussion, i've always been a sucker for activity = town . But ngl I didn't read a lot of the posts and sort of glazed over.
That's an ok starting point.
Yeah idk. The more I think about this (plus his previous post where he says he doesn't like Vivax) the more I am suspicious. If Kelsi3r doesn't know what AlphaZero's point about scott31337 means with regards to scott31337's alignment, that should lead to there being less reason to townread AlphaZero (and also anyone else) for this reasoning, no? Of course you don't always have to agree with someone's reasoning to think it makes them look towny, but it certainly helps. Furthermore, I could understand it better if he just said that it made AlphaZero look better, since they were the first to clearly lay out that line of thinking. But to add on that rsoultin looks good, purely for agreeing, when Kelsi3r himself doesn't even know if the point means anything for scott31337's alignment? Seems out of place. And to add, the only person he said he didn't like, Vivax, also commented on this kind of idea. Vivax didn't put scott31337's posts in contrast like AlphaZero did, but he (rightfully) pointed out that one of scott31337's posts in question didn't make a ton of sense. It wasn't exactly the same idea, but it was somewhat similar, and this was (presumably) enough to make AlphaZero say that Vivax looks town. Kelsi3r seems to have ignored this entirely, however? New top suspect, I think. I agree with this, the logic doesn’t track. On June 08 2024 01:18 marvellosity wrote:
I actually agreed with sand’s take on kelsier (sort of as a response to Scott here)
When I read mocstas vote on kelsier “you’re being intentionally obtuse”, I just thought well that’s a townie trait if ever I heard one So marvellosity agreed with me that Kelsi3r's logic didn't make sense, but then still includes Kelsi3r in the "town" category because Mocsta said he was being obtuse and that's a town trait? Reading through marvellosity's filter, I do still like that he acknowledged my point on Kelsi3r, and I like his line of questioning to Mocsta about his read change on me (Trfel). But he hasn't done really anything else of substance? It looks like his top suspects are scott31337 and Mocsta, and other than putting scott31337 at the bottom of his list post, he hasn't even mentioned him. Just feels uncharacteristically disjointed. I don't get the impression that he is looking for mafia, and I don't get the impression that he cares enough about his (few) thoughts to remember them later. I can talk about this. I bought into what sand was selling me. So that’s why Scott and kelsier were where they were. Mocsta I was/am suspicious of, still primarily because I think he was making it up when he talked about the posts you made. aawwwwww Mate. I probably shouldn't have posted my first post Game started at 10 for me and earliest chance I had to read was 4 sitting on plane In short hectic mad day and I was so excited to make intro post for first time.in maybe 6years.. I see the length of the game and was like wtf I dont have time.to do this before take.off and lose reception. Quickly skim and rsoultin and trfel.poats were the ones where my mind just disconnected from. Could not engage So put it out there to just have out it out there I wouldn't say the post content was forced because it's how I felt at that moment, although the sentiment that I needed to post something , yes was forced It's also part of why I retracted once I landed and read thoroughly This is his explanation for the stuff I picked up on with regards to your early posting. I understand that people make mistakes (especially early) but do I buy this? Is it the right sort of mistake? Is it the sort of mistake town makes? It’s not carelessness, it’s a characterisation of your posts as forced/contrived. It’s difficult tbh. ‘The sentiment that I needed to post something, yes was forced’ Similar to what he said about (not) fitting in I don’t like any of it. I can follow your progression so it's valid just wrong unfortunately.
I have enjoyed the vibe the past page even though it's about me. Exclude me fine but it all feels townie including alpha.
I will respond to alpha once I finish date night so sometime before cycle. Just not now.
One caveat I will add which unfortunately doesn't help anyone is.. my reads are highly volatile and my language is much looser than how others would.use the same phrases. I totally get why alpha says I justify conclusions. In my mind I haven't concluded anything it's just the..peak of my snapshot at that point. Is what it is. Would.like to be different and personally after 6years from this game.im.surprised.myself to see that come.out.
I think I'm going to have to commit to a full re read which I really dont want to do but if alpha is actually town I want to remove that bias
Right now. If you ask me who to lymch. My strongest inclination is to sheep onto something that I can relate to which i havent yet seen but am.expecting between now and end of cycle. I reckon this will push you more scum into me but again is what it is.
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On June 08 2024 20:39 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 20:36 marvellosity wrote:On June 08 2024 20:34 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 20:18 marvellosity wrote:On June 08 2024 08:38 Mocsta wrote:On June 08 2024 08:10 marvellosity wrote:On June 08 2024 04:07 Trfel wrote:Having second thoughts about marvellosity. I think I do actually want to pursue this after all. On June 07 2024 22:27 marvellosity wrote:On June 07 2024 19:27 Trfel wrote:On June 07 2024 16:44 Kelsi3r wrote:
I enjoyed Alpha Zero pointing out that scott had basically answered his own question and giving it a red flag. I love shit like that.
What does it say about scott? I don't know
But rsoutlin also liked it so I guess I like Alpha and rsoultin at this early stage.
Trefl and rayn were posting a lot and having a discussion, i've always been a sucker for activity = town . But ngl I didn't read a lot of the posts and sort of glazed over.
That's an ok starting point.
Yeah idk. The more I think about this (plus his previous post where he says he doesn't like Vivax) the more I am suspicious. If Kelsi3r doesn't know what AlphaZero's point about scott31337 means with regards to scott31337's alignment, that should lead to there being less reason to townread AlphaZero (and also anyone else) for this reasoning, no? Of course you don't always have to agree with someone's reasoning to think it makes them look towny, but it certainly helps. Furthermore, I could understand it better if he just said that it made AlphaZero look better, since they were the first to clearly lay out that line of thinking. But to add on that rsoultin looks good, purely for agreeing, when Kelsi3r himself doesn't even know if the point means anything for scott31337's alignment? Seems out of place. And to add, the only person he said he didn't like, Vivax, also commented on this kind of idea. Vivax didn't put scott31337's posts in contrast like AlphaZero did, but he (rightfully) pointed out that one of scott31337's posts in question didn't make a ton of sense. It wasn't exactly the same idea, but it was somewhat similar, and this was (presumably) enough to make AlphaZero say that Vivax looks town. Kelsi3r seems to have ignored this entirely, however? New top suspect, I think. I agree with this, the logic doesn’t track. On June 08 2024 01:18 marvellosity wrote:
I actually agreed with sand’s take on kelsier (sort of as a response to Scott here)
When I read mocstas vote on kelsier “you’re being intentionally obtuse”, I just thought well that’s a townie trait if ever I heard one So marvellosity agreed with me that Kelsi3r's logic didn't make sense, but then still includes Kelsi3r in the "town" category because Mocsta said he was being obtuse and that's a town trait? Reading through marvellosity's filter, I do still like that he acknowledged my point on Kelsi3r, and I like his line of questioning to Mocsta about his read change on me (Trfel). But he hasn't done really anything else of substance? It looks like his top suspects are scott31337 and Mocsta, and other than putting scott31337 at the bottom of his list post, he hasn't even mentioned him. Just feels uncharacteristically disjointed. I don't get the impression that he is looking for mafia, and I don't get the impression that he cares enough about his (few) thoughts to remember them later. I can talk about this. I bought into what sand was selling me. So that’s why Scott and kelsier were where they were. Mocsta I was/am suspicious of, still primarily because I think he was making it up when he talked about the posts you made. aawwwwww Mate. I probably shouldn't have posted my first post Game started at 10 for me and earliest chance I had to read was 4 sitting on plane In short hectic mad day and I was so excited to make intro post for first time.in maybe 6years.. I see the length of the game and was like wtf I dont have time.to do this before take.off and lose reception. Quickly skim and rsoultin and trfel.poats were the ones where my mind just disconnected from. Could not engage So put it out there to just have out it out there I wouldn't say the post content was forced because it's how I felt at that moment, although the sentiment that I needed to post something , yes was forced It's also part of why I retracted once I landed and read thoroughly This is his explanation for the stuff I picked up on with regards to your early posting. I understand that people make mistakes (especially early) but do I buy this? Is it the right sort of mistake? Is it the sort of mistake town makes? It’s not carelessness, it’s a characterisation of your posts as forced/contrived. It’s difficult tbh. Hmm, honestly I didn't view this as a mistake. Maybe that's my error. But a lot of people expressed a similar sentiment regarding my early posting, unless I am missing something I don't think his claim itself was unreasonable at all. There is the part where he wasn't able to back it up with evidence upon request. It's a little strange, heck I bet I could go into my filter and fabricate the explanation in question, but I actually think it's maybe more likely to come from town. Possibilities: - Mocsta is town, and due to a few combined factors (plane flight/setting change, me posting more and him getting a more meaningful read on me which quite possibly colors his perception of previous posts), didn't read the earlier posts the same way - Mocsta is mafia, and instead of forcing an explanation, gave it up. Like, if it was me and I was mafia there, I'm 10000% giving a forced explanation there, even if I can't remember what I was initially thinking I'm gonna make something up. I would never back down there. Maybe Mocsta is just a different player from me but I don't actually see the mafia motivation for this? The claim is too vague and easy to provide fake reasoning for, honestly if he's mafia I think he took a much harder route by backing down from it. He’s admitting it as a mistake Trfel lol. Wtf? To the bolded: who exactly? Raynpelikoneet, rsoultin, sandroba, maybe even AlphaZero? And sure, Mocsta said it was a mistake, but I disagree I think it's more likely that his perspective changed, causing him to interpret the same posts in a different way. I mean if you want to call that a mistake then sure, I wouldn't say that though. legend mate, bing bing bing
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On June 08 2024 19:46 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 19:15 Mocsta wrote:On June 08 2024 18:36 AlphaZero wrote:On June 08 2024 18:32 AlphaZero wrote:On June 08 2024 18:28 Mocsta wrote:On June 08 2024 18:23 AlphaZero wrote:
As far as I can see the argument for not lynching Scott is
- he is lynchbait in the past ((although trfel disproved that somewhat)
- alpha is scummy and is pushing a mislyynch
- ???
Doesn't really outweigh the substantively scummy things he has done. None of those apply to me Ignoring mason neighbour thing since he has since fully dropped it Rest of filter looks like active hunting to me I don't care he buddies to me. As town or Mafia it fits how the thread has shaped. I think he pulled up some interesting posts. He has no such limited cred can't start a wagon either so that's pretty much max output he can do as a townie. Would he do that as mafia? I genuinely don't think so. This post is sus- how can you just ignore the points against him? It's like you aren't trying to discern what that means for his alignment. Even Ignoring his opening, his case against me was objectively scummy- Then you call his scumhunting a strong point. It's mind boggling stuff. scott knows about mason, and is unsure about whisperer mechanic people are conflating that in my mind.. like. i personally dont care about mason/whisperer differences, yet i dont see why someone else cannot care.. yeah its a weird post for town. i have never denied that.. BUT its early game and its not like he stood by that as activity so i dont view it scummy as a filter i dont know what else to say p.s. sorry to absolutely cripple you in pain but this post makes me feel most positive about you; enough that i would take you out of my mayor lynch category and back into normal lynch. some used to refer to my town game as "moc-logic" and you just stumbled into it What about the post is meaningful for determining my alignment. What part can only come from mafia? its the heuristic about 'moc-logic'. i really dont expect you to get it cos of the history aspect.
its ummm.. the utter confusion which you later articulate in your "case" on me, about too bad to be town, yet too bad to be mafia.
in the past, only town have been willing to consider what it means, so its a noteworthy thing to me
when you talk about what can only come from mafia, i'm going to assume you mean something i wrote in that response could only be from mafia? in that case, you are wrong by default. if i hazard a guess its that i took you from mayor lynch to normal lynch?
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last post before date night.. life with kids gotta priortise! rsoultin must understand surely!
On June 08 2024 19:56 AlphaZero wrote:
Couple of thoughts after Mocsta interactions
- it seems to me like he is drawing conclusions and then making really terrible justifications for them rather than acting with a curious and open mind to determine alignments i have accepted your interpretation, although disagree in particular about a closed mind. i reckon you are confirmation biased here, i mean, yes i have been firm on you up to past couple pages, yet, at least in my mind have been open about discussing points. disagreeing about a conclusion is not the same as close minded because without anything new introduced, why would the outcome change?
- it seems to me he is cautious and almost apologetic when pushing me, despite being his 2nd? Largest scum read. Tracks as mafia lynching town, not as town who thinks they have got a lead on mafia. i can understand my push on you is unusual. im pretty sure i would find it weird too. i'm very certain my pushes on you are all in response to people, again, i think thats significant. we made
'peace' yesterday and i wasn't intentionally trying to break it. im very certain oats was pushing for my az reasoning so i said fuck it
- his reasoning and justifications are awful and nonsensical. wont know until flips mate. although yes, im not an analytical player at the best of times so im ok with you stating this. doesnt make me mafia though unless its being used to push mafia agenda,, now this, i dont see you substantiate and again you would need flips to support.
the problem I am having is I do t know why he would play like this as either alignment.
- option 1 he is tying himself up into knots because he is pushing mafia agenda
-option 2 he is town and he legitimately thinks these things. i suppose one thing i  ON'T like here in option 1 is.. you dont call me mafia.. you say im pushing mafia agenda
ironicaly i didnt realise this when i wrote about mafia agenda above btw.. i still think the purpose of this post aligns with town piecing together puzzles so its not a negative for me. i think it more points out subconsciously you know option 2 is true, and just dont want to admit it outloud.. its ok mate. i went through the same with you
I view option 1 more likely through my lens of how the game should be played, and what is reasonable to expect from town and mafia.
It seems trfel thinks the other option would be more likely.
I’d just like to get some more thoughts itt about this. for the record im equally active as mafia and town. i have *never* been called up for 'moc-logic' as mafia, again, i cant expect you to acknowledge or recognise that.. i guess the only thing i can ask here is.. what is my tone saying across these posts to you and marv. internally i feel mentally the same responding start of day and now, so hopefully you see that too
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On June 08 2024 20:53 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 20:47 Mocsta wrote:On June 08 2024 19:46 AlphaZero wrote:On June 08 2024 19:15 Mocsta wrote:On June 08 2024 18:36 AlphaZero wrote:On June 08 2024 18:32 AlphaZero wrote:On June 08 2024 18:28 Mocsta wrote:On June 08 2024 18:23 AlphaZero wrote:
As far as I can see the argument for not lynching Scott is
- he is lynchbait in the past ((although trfel disproved that somewhat)
- alpha is scummy and is pushing a mislyynch
- ???
Doesn't really outweigh the substantively scummy things he has done. None of those apply to me Ignoring mason neighbour thing since he has since fully dropped it Rest of filter looks like active hunting to me I don't care he buddies to me. As town or Mafia it fits how the thread has shaped. I think he pulled up some interesting posts. He has no such limited cred can't start a wagon either so that's pretty much max output he can do as a townie. Would he do that as mafia? I genuinely don't think so. This post is sus- how can you just ignore the points against him? It's like you aren't trying to discern what that means for his alignment. Even Ignoring his opening, his case against me was objectively scummy- Then you call his scumhunting a strong point. It's mind boggling stuff. scott knows about mason, and is unsure about whisperer mechanic people are conflating that in my mind.. like. i personally dont care about mason/whisperer differences, yet i dont see why someone else cannot care.. yeah its a weird post for town. i have never denied that.. BUT its early game and its not like he stood by that as activity so i dont view it scummy as a filter i dont know what else to say p.s. sorry to absolutely cripple you in pain but this post makes me feel most positive about you; enough that i would take you out of my mayor lynch category and back into normal lynch. some used to refer to my town game as "moc-logic" and you just stumbled into it What about the post is meaningful for determining my alignment. What part can only come from mafia? its the heuristic about 'moc-logic'. i really dont expect you to get it cos of the history aspect. its ummm.. the utter confusion which you later articulate in your "case" on me, about too bad to be town, yet too bad to be mafia. in the past, only town have been willing to consider what it means, so its a noteworthy thing to mewhen you talk about what can only come from mafia, i'm going to assume you mean something i wrote in that response could only be from mafia? in that case, you are wrong by default. if i hazard a guess its that i took you from mayor lynch to normal lynch? Right now. What do you think my alignment is? i already said im getting townie vibes from past couple pages. like real collaboration buzz
you are off my shit list
.. kk.. good bye for real now
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On June 08 2024 21:41 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 11:38 Vivax wrote:On June 07 2024 20:11 Mocsta wrote:On June 07 2024 20:05 Kelsi3r wrote:On June 07 2024 20:02 Mocsta wrote:
How about why isn't rsoultin scum? Is she? Whats the case ? You have my vote now ##vote: kelsi3rFor being intentionally obtuse . This shouldn't be this hard mate Ah yes this is a vote that makes Mocsta mafia imo. Town points if you see what I see. His previous read on rsoultin was that he reverted to neutral but when he votes Kelsier it‘s because he expected him to easily see what made her scum after he stopped scumreading her. That‘s not only scummy in itself but implies also rsoultin or Kelsier as teammates if Mocsta is. But that‘s associative so meh. blatantly false
Kelsier was intentionally avoiding answering my questions so I phrases in opposite direction
Should be bleeding obvious comparing the sequence of posts
I don't like this push br0
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On June 08 2024 23:51 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 23:48 Mocsta wrote:On June 08 2024 21:41 Vivax wrote:On June 08 2024 11:38 Vivax wrote:On June 07 2024 20:11 Mocsta wrote:On June 07 2024 20:05 Kelsi3r wrote:On June 07 2024 20:02 Mocsta wrote:
How about why isn't rsoultin scum? Is she? Whats the case ? You have my vote now ##vote: kelsi3rFor being intentionally obtuse . This shouldn't be this hard mate Ah yes this is a vote that makes Mocsta mafia imo. Town points if you see what I see. His previous read on rsoultin was that he reverted to neutral but when he votes Kelsier it‘s because he expected him to easily see what made her scum after he stopped scumreading her. That‘s not only scummy in itself but implies also rsoultin or Kelsier as teammates if Mocsta is. But that‘s associative so meh. blatantly false Kelsier was intentionally avoiding answering my questions so I phrases in opposite direction Should be bleeding obvious comparing the sequence of posts I don't like this push br0 It's ok br0 Trfel already clarifi3d yeah saw after
I still.dont see how you misinterpreted to begin with..dont believe this is day1 worthy though
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One tidbit with rsoultin
My last game here I think was with her and I was mafia and buddied her. Maybe she forgot? But I'm like surprised she has ignored all the chatter on me and tunneled sandroba
Like I recall that game her being both super collaborative and also quite paranoid. I'm not seeing any of that this game. I don't believe sporadic activity is a satisfactory answer
Rsoultin, what is your read on me ?
I'm not claiming a meta read here as it's a one off experience..
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On June 08 2024 23:59 Vivax wrote:
Tinfoil theory: It's rayn, Slam and marv because rayn and slam so far have had suspicions on marv when nobody else had and they want to annoy him with the soft busses.
Slam doesn't suspect Marv?
There's on quote from Rayn and it's about rsouktin/sandroba- which is strange.. almost read to me like a scumslip
So nothing to do with marv
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Ignore scumslip comment
I misunderstood his rsoultin comment one post prior
Marv position holds thiugh
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