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Okay let me find more disagreeable posts
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On June 10 2024 21:37 sandroba wrote:
I finally have time to play again. Sorry all - family stuff kept me super busy during the weekend. I'm glad that even though I was inactive I was not lynched, but it sucks that you killed Kelsier which to me was one of the town reads I was more confident about. I have to catch up from around page ~30 onwards !! Hoping there is some juicy stuff around the lynch.
Complaining about the lynch he had no influence on mm yes disagreeable
On June 10 2024 22:34 sandroba wrote:
Around page 42 and I'm reading up on the discussion about Mocsta being mafia mostly driven by marv/az and trfel taking opposite sides. While I can see the points raised by marv/az being valid about the blatant way mocsta is throwing stuff around just to post and trying to justify them later, I fall in trfel side of the argument thinking that mocsta is being too open and collaborative about his thought process that it just screams town to me. I might just be completely outdated and the way mafia is playing this game now just goes beyond whatever I'm used to expect. Last game I had a few of my assumptions shattered, but unfortunately as a player I can only offer what I honestly believe. If I just throw it all out the window it means I'm just useless and can offer nothing. Because of that I'm just going to assume my intuition is correct for now and say mocsta is also town.
Over explained townread that has a significant portion trying to hedge his read which says he’s overcompensating acting like he’s really thinking about his “process”
On June 11 2024 04:52 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 04:38 Koshi wrote:
Best reasoning for rayn mafia is:
He didn't seem to be eager to be in the towncircle with marv and I.
And you guys are all blind for not seeing marv and I were going to be BFFs I'm pretty sure you tried to put him there at some point. I agree with your points on rayn though. The AZ stuff looks like you just want to add someone to the mix to dilute it a little bit.
Very odd to say to koshi when you are tying in both koshi and rayns alignment together
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On June 11 2024 12:54 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 12:53 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 12:53 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 12:18 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 12:17 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 11:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 09:39 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 08:02 AlphaZero wrote:
ok here is where I am at.
I think there is mafia in rayn/koshi. Not sure about both tho. can't give you a reason, they both just seem 'less' than there town games.
With players of their calibre, i don't think there is going to be much to really hang your hat on.
With koshi, there are more 'dumb' moments than smart.
With rayn, i am just not that impressed by anything he has done, and usually I am.
Not strong, I know.
I think sandro looks good every time he posts, as did marv, he is not lynchable for now IMO he will self resolve as maf.
Agree with the points RE: DMB.
Trfel is the Vivax lynch still the best one in your opinion?
How would Sandro self resolve? Why is he mafia to you. I agreed with his takes pretty much all the time. Did you forget this or do you want to walk this back I don’t think that contradicts anything So point out his takes that you agree with?? Mostly everything else. I don’t have time to point them out. But the fact I like his posts for the most part when he is around should be enough. Enough for who???? For you to decide on whatever it is you need to determine with this line of questioning assuming you are town
I’m trying to get you to vote Sandro
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Like my brother in Christ this does not have to be this difficult
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On June 11 2024 12:54 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 12:50 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 12:48 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 12:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 12:43 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 12:34 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 12:30 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 12:18 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 12:10 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 11:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
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From your recent posts you think vivax is your top scum read and me and Scott are townreads, why would you say that it’s a stinky wagon on Sandro when you want to vote for the dmb wagon your top scum read is on mocsta? vivax is on koshi, so i am struggling to follow your assertion regarding DMB wagon? On June 11 2024 10:23 Vivax wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: dmb dont want to ignore, i just dont have a response. i mean if you wanna be up my ass for being indifferent between vivax, rayn, koshi, dmb, slam etc then do it. i feel its all a crapshoot and strongest and weakest reads are not separated by much. the most certainty i currently "feel" is: 1) Koshi vibe is not exhuberent and im not picking up that BD energy he excudes. I don't like.. enough to overule my rsoultin read 2) Rayn posting is opportunistic... timing, interests.. hes riding just the right level of memorable to not be forgotten as a player, yet drive anything i find to be meaningful given my town reads are notsupporting vivax i will drop that vote for koshi / rayn.. dmb feels more crapshooty to me thats where i am at dude Rayns Sandro push is more meaningful than anything you’ve done this game. Otherwise the rest of that statement is pure waffle I don’t understand the rest of this post. You think that there’s no scummiest person, there’s like 5 murky people? Dmb feels more crapshooty to you than who? GFY . like if you are trying to convince me, then lose the condescending remarks if you are trying to scum read me, then i dont know what to say to you. i read my filter last night to get a sense of what peoples issues are and i have no idea. i was left with smiles so in short: GFY Yeah okay great talk im willing to talk to you, ya know.. just drop the abrasiveness and be respectful please help me understand your worldview is rayns action to kick off sandro "as meaningful in the game" if sandro is town? Yes? Meaningful doesn’t have to be scum or town. You are the one trying to say that being not meaningful is a scum trait, I’m just pointing out that you have to include yourself in that then if you are completely honest no i did not say that. i said hes not driven anything meaningful to me. whether right or wrong, the posts i have internalised to drive town and scum reads. rayn is few and far between. maybe thats diferent for you, however thats my world. in that context, yes, thats scummy. is it not for you?
Okay so you are saying that rayn hasn’t posted things that either give you town vibes or scum vibes from him.
Therefore it’s scummy to not be scummy? That’s my understanding from what you are saying. Please clarify if I’m misunderstanding your meaning
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On June 11 2024 12:54 AlphaZero wrote:
Your case on Sandro is not convincing and seems weak compared tot he level of confidence you have.
It’s pinging me because I generally share you perspective on things.
Okay get pinged I guess and we lose because you don’t want to work with town
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Like that dmb vote from Sandro was absurdly bad.
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On June 11 2024 13:05 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 13:04 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 12:54 AlphaZero wrote:
Your case on Sandro is not convincing and seems weak compared tot he level of confidence you have.
It’s pinging me because I generally share you perspective on things. Okay get pinged I guess and we lose because you don’t want to work with town I’m working with trfel who is objectively the towniest player in the game. Why are you not working with town?
Trfel isn’t working with me, I can’t do anything about that.
Like are you reading this game or a different one?
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On June 11 2024 13:06 Trfel wrote:
How am I not working with you?
Okay fine, sell me on the koshi/rayn partnership.
From what I can tell reading your filter, you do think Sandro is mafia independently of anyone else, you just don’t think so atm because koshi and Rayn are going after him
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On June 11 2024 13:19 Trfel wrote:
Honestly I'm tempted to lynch Oatsmaster for being the most anti-town player this game, regardless of alignment.
This is the exact opposite of working with people btw just you know for your information
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On June 11 2024 13:13 AlphaZero wrote:
I dont really understand the oats push here. Cause he called dmb mafia. So from his perspective both major wagons are mafia. And his wagon is leading.
So why the faux desperation. Fucking weird.
So you don’t see today as critically important to get correct? I’m sorry for you in that case
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On June 11 2024 13:18 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 13:03 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 12:54 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 12:50 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 12:48 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 12:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 12:43 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 12:34 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 12:30 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 12:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
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dont want to ignore, i just dont have a response. i mean if you wanna be up my ass for being indifferent between vivax, rayn, koshi, dmb, slam etc then do it. i feel its all a crapshoot and strongest and weakest reads are not separated by much. the most certainty i currently "feel" is: 1) Koshi vibe is not exhuberent and im not picking up that BD energy he excudes. I don't like.. enough to overule my rsoultin read 2) Rayn posting is opportunistic... timing, interests.. hes riding just the right level of memorable to not be forgotten as a player, yet drive anything i find to be meaningful given my town reads are notsupporting vivax i will drop that vote for koshi / rayn.. dmb feels more crapshooty to me thats where i am at dude Rayns Sandro push is more meaningful than anything you’ve done this game. Otherwise the rest of that statement is pure waffle I don’t understand the rest of this post. You think that there’s no scummiest person, there’s like 5 murky people? Dmb feels more crapshooty to you than who? GFY . like if you are trying to convince me, then lose the condescending remarks if you are trying to scum read me, then i dont know what to say to you. i read my filter last night to get a sense of what peoples issues are and i have no idea. i was left with smiles so in short: GFY Yeah okay great talk im willing to talk to you, ya know.. just drop the abrasiveness and be respectful please help me understand your worldview is rayns action to kick off sandro "as meaningful in the game" if sandro is town? Yes? Meaningful doesn’t have to be scum or town. You are the one trying to say that being not meaningful is a scum trait, I’m just pointing out that you have to include yourself in that then if you are completely honest no i did not say that. i said hes not driven anything meaningful to me. whether right or wrong, the posts i have internalised to drive town and scum reads. rayn is few and far between. maybe thats diferent for you, however thats my world. in that context, yes, thats scummy. is it not for you? Okay so you are saying that rayn hasn’t posted things that either give you town vibes or scum vibes from him. Therefore it’s scummy to not be scummy? That’s my understanding from what you are saying. Please clarify if I’m misunderstanding your meaning no, instead im saying that his interactions with people have not led me to read those people as town/scum. so i find his filter meaningless and not seeking to solve the game i.e. hes not asking questions to others, that help me to discern *THEIR* alignment
Huh?
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Not that I’ve heard anyone play that way but you seem to think Sandro is town based on Rayns posts so that’s not even consistent?
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@az
What’s going on in the whisper thread with rayn
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On June 11 2024 13:19 Trfel wrote:
Honestly I'm tempted to lynch Oatsmaster for being the most anti-town player this game, regardless of alignment.
I think constantly saying this is worse than anything I’ve done but got off I guess.
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On June 11 2024 03:33 Trfel wrote:
I'm okayish with sandroba for now, honestly (as in, I am not confident enough that he is mafia to lynch him as opposed for waiting to see more from him).
Trfel what changed your mind about Sandro from this post to the most recent one you made where you said he’s actually been very sane
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The only reason is that he has been low activity/involvement
That’s not what you’ve been saying this whole game though?
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On June 11 2024 13:43 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 07:00 Koshi wrote:
Sandro, Slam, Mocsta
(AZ instead of Mocsta but only because so many of you say it, they are not mafia together) can you help me why sandro? Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am sorry guys i dont see it, aside from him being away...
why? Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:he was really townie when he was in thread tbh  And then... Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 07:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax go with me on sandroba, mocsta, az, ok? Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 08:04 Trfel wrote:On June 10 2024 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 07:55 Trfel wrote:
Honestly my first impression is that Vivax and die_meatbaby are trying to distance from each other.
Could be that just one of them is mafia, or I guess maybe that neither is mafia, but I think both could also be mafia. I have reason to think they both (individually, separately) could be mafia, and very little reason to think otherwise.
Just seems like the most plausible explanation is one (or even both) of them decided to try and clutter the thread to defend themselves/distract from the actual arguments against them. i literally adviced them to do so, if you didnt catch that? Why are you making this argument? If you have to blame anyone, blame me for their "show"... @raynpelikoneet, I disagree that sandroba's posting was great when he was here. It was.... okay at best imo? But I don't think there's anything special about it. That doesn't mean he has to be mafia, but a lack of interesting or insightful thoughts, combined with nonexistent activity/involvement, is a reasonable case. i didn't say great. and i can't say he looks townie now when not posting. noone can. If you think sandroba is mafia, go ahead. I am just talking about what i know when people were posting. What? Maybe I phrased it poorly. What I meant was, it seems like they are both mafia, and realized that they're associating too closely and "fought" to try and change that. I know that's unflipped association, but it was my first thought.* If you really want to say that they did this due to your advice, I mean sure, I can lynch you after them  *Asterisk means: as I thought about it more, I still think that the argument makes sense if only one of them is mafia, baiting the other one into the argument but overall accomplishing the purpose of cluttering the thread and distracting from the actual arguments at hand. Didn't you say sandroba's posting looked good or towny or something more positive? I forget the exact word. I wouldn't really attribute anything positive to it though, it felt solidly meh/null range. I was just bring it up since I think sandroba is very much worth considering, and you and marvellosity are the ones I think might benefit from reconsidering it. I dont think they are both mafia. I think sandroba is worth considering. Also, can anyone possibly believe this? Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 05:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 11 2024 05:39 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I should be on computer in somewhat 30mins.
Let it be known i already told AZ 6 hours ago i dont think case on vivax is strong. Vivax teaction to case wss also townie. I can write why the case is not hood an see how many people will still stick there. Don't bother, I can't imagine Vivax getting lynched. Is there any reason why I should think you are town? I made the best case anyone has this game. Can raynpelikoneet actually think that this: Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sandrobas reads do not track. He just took the town consensus scumreads and put them in a list.
That in itself isnt wrong, but he has just talked anout how oats can be scum if rsoultin is scum, then rsoultin (koshi) is scum, but oats is not on the list.
Also case on rsoul being mafia is basically "i cant find reasons for her to be mafia"????? Is the best case in the game?
Not really sure why rayn being an huge egoist is a scumtell tbh
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On June 11 2024 03:04 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sandrobas reads do not track. He just took the town consensus scumreads and put them in a list.
That in itself isnt wrong, but he has just talked anout how oats can be scum if rsoultin is scum, then rsoultin (koshi) is scum, but oats is not on the list.
Also case on rsoul being mafia is basically "i cant find reasons for her to be mafia"????? Middle point is actually very interesting. Good find.
Okay nvm I did think you talked about Sandro more than this post in more specific terms but why is this a good point at the time of the post and no longer a good point?
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On June 11 2024 13:55 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 13:21 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 13:13 AlphaZero wrote:
I dont really understand the oats push here. Cause he called dmb mafia. So from his perspective both major wagons are mafia. And his wagon is leading.
So why the faux desperation. Fucking weird. So you don’t see today as critically important to get correct? I’m sorry for you in that case I do. But from your perspective both wagons are mafia? So what gives?
Degree of mafia ness
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