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On June 11 2024 13:32 Trfel wrote:
I don't know for sure if raynpelikoneet and Koshi are mafia together, I don't like to work with unflipped associations. But there are plenty of reasons to scumread them individually, and I see no reason they couldn't be mafia together.
Raynpelikoneet has been extremely illogical and useless. He's been discussing a ton but not showing any insight, critical thinking, or desire to solve the game. His town play is quite strong, this clearly isn't it. Other than sheer post count, I can't think of a redeeming quality in his play.
Koshi has been solid at times, but I think he really gave himself up in the confusion over the Vivax lynch and then not lynching Vivax. He's just said enough things that make no sense.
I guess maybe this makes me more confident in raynpelikoneet being mafia, but I still think Koshi definitely could be mafia. i know we you have explained your reads here more than i, yet this does capture the essence of how i see/feel/internalise the game.
in my world we have said the same thing lol.. woe is me 
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On June 11 2024 14:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
Like what is this absurd play where you just think that only people who agree with you are playing the game correctly dude.. you are doing the same thing
this is all TvT, need faith
i get you dont want to listen to me, im in your bottom half and its ok
like.. mafia do not have to do anything right now.. the people here actually care.. we not just talking shit for the sake of it
thats town br0
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im swapping my vote to Rayn
##Unvote
##Vote: Raynpelikoneet
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On June 11 2024 14:42 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 14:36 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 14:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
Like what is this absurd play where you just think that only people who agree with you are playing the game correctly dude.. you are doing the same thing this is all TvT, need faith i get you dont want to listen to me, im in your bottom half and its ok like.. mafia do not have to do anything right now.. the people here actually care.. we not just talking shit for the sake of it thats town br0 How am I calling the people I think are town not playing the game the right way? well you treat your town reads remarkedly different, so your actions convey this.
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On June 11 2024 14:46 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 14:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Idk man trfel you were chomping at the bit to lynch vivax this morning. He’s on the dmb wagon too. Maybe try reading a little? Just a little? I'm actually serious, if we are able to lynch scott31337 here and keep sandroba alive, I think that's absolutely worth doing. stop
breathe and calm down
stick with Rayn vote, and let it snowball
theres only 3 active posters, so its ok to be 2 of 3 on rayn for now.
oats may come around once rayn or others react.. i get we need oats on this wagon.
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11 players left. 8t, 3m
Slam is likely afk on Vivax, so need to assume this is a 10player vote, 7t, 3m (due to out-in-open afk request)
Majority is 6,4 or as sandroba would be first to 5
can only afford 1 townie to vote with scum if 3m on a wagon; which seems impossible with oats having an impasse with sandroba.
this really feels like day 5 on a day 2
its true. this is deflating and feels over trfel
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On June 11 2024 15:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
Okay let me reset because clearly this isn’t the way that any game should go.
I apologize for any of the posts I’ve made that are inflammatory and not relevant to the game/solving mafia.
I totally understand if your experience hasn’t been good and I am sorry about that.
Going forward I just want to have fun and enjoy playing mafia and I hope to foster an environment that it will be possible to have fun, win or lose thank you oats
im really confident to the death that this group of actives (oats, trfel, az, mocsta) are town. we need 2 more for the vote outside of slam.
its up to scott to prove himself as im really hoping hes the 5th
then for the 6th someone of sandroba/vivax/dmb.. of which i am most town on sandroba (i listed this group as is to align with oats concerns with sandroba)
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On June 11 2024 15:47 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 11:35 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 09:51 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:46 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 09:44 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 09:39 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 08:02 AlphaZero wrote:
ok here is where I am at.
I think there is mafia in rayn/koshi. Not sure about both tho. can't give you a reason, they both just seem 'less' than there town games.
With players of their calibre, i don't think there is going to be much to really hang your hat on.
With koshi, there are more 'dumb' moments than smart.
With rayn, i am just not that impressed by anything he has done, and usually I am.
Not strong, I know.
I think sandro looks good every time he posts, as did marv, he is not lynchable for now IMO he will self resolve as maf.
Agree with the points RE: DMB.
Trfel is the Vivax lynch still the best one in your opinion?
How would Sandro self resolve? He either keeps up in activity and analysis or does not. He is famous for being low activity as mafia. Why is he mafia to you. I agreed with his takes pretty much all the time. This is low activity It is, but he had a IRL excuse. If there is an increase in activity now I think it’s less clear. So again I ask, how does he self resolve? He plays the next phase or two like the last two games he played. Or he doesn't I guarantee you he doesn’t In 2 phases it’s gonna be lylo assuming nothing funky happens and we continue to miss. Can you show me some good posts from Sandro? I’m assuming you don’t think the post I pointed out makes him scummy I assume that this is the question you want me to answer, I generally agree with his thinking and worldviews The post you quoted was weak I agree. I just want to give him some time because I think it will become more clear than this either way. And I think there are good alternatives. Like Rayn/koshi/dmb Unreal. Ok so mafia is split up. rayn/Koshi/dmb has 1 or 2Mocsta/Sandroba has 1 or 2 Slam/Vivax/AZ has 0 or 1 Is that it? And us townies are capable to see 1. And we all have 1 mafia sitting in our ass mretending to be our friend. It is obvious Tfrel is town It is obvious Scott is town It is obvious Oats is town Those 3 are consensus right? Might want to add Vivax but dmb is still unsure. what are you saying here.. that you will vote rayn and/or dmb this cycle?
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On June 11 2024 15:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
Here’s my current situation. I think Sandro is the scummiest person in the game currently. I’m not interested in the construction of the wagons on d2.
To get me to vote for someone that isn’t Sandro, you have to convince me that the person is scummier than Sandro. Not any other way. you're only saying this because sandroba could be a lynch majority
if someone like scott comes off and its a tie breaker you are in a dilemma.
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On June 11 2024 16:08 Koshi wrote:
I almost never type in all caps
THANK YOU OATSMASTER FOR EXPLAINIKG EXACTLY WHERE I AM IN THIS GAME IN A CALM AND RESPECTFUL WAY.
AZ, Tfrel and Mocsta should reread or really consider that conversation as a goldmine inside my view on this game. He is almost exactly at the place I am. there's that bd energy. Go you
People around me wondering why I'm laughing out loud!
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On June 11 2024 16:38 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 16:37 Koshi wrote:On June 11 2024 16:35 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 16:33 Koshi wrote:
Sandroba/DMB/+1
Can we all agree on this? Before we look for the third? IM not sure on Sandro. I think DMB is likely. Yes. Just like we are not sure about DMB. But let's argue which of these 2 is most likely today. Really like the way you guys approached Oats. Except 1-2 adhoms it was enjoyable to read. There is for sure a lot of town in your team. I think rayn is a better lynch than DMB even. Stay on rayn please
I'm really enjoying how this is creating some.push pull tension. Need more votes to bring out the rest of town
Game is finally on!
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On June 11 2024 16:38 Trfel wrote:
@raynpelilkoneet:
I'm sorry for upsetting you. That was not my intention.
I'm just trying to understand your case, and right now I am struggling to do so.
If you'd like to discuss this further, please feel free to explain where I am misunderstanding you, and I will do my best to listen. Otherwise, I am fine to agree to disagree. I'm not trying to misrepresent you, just to get a clear idea of what you are saying. Dude. Remove yourself from the echo chamber.
Step away have a wank and enjoy the hardwork put in to date
Sometimes town just needs to have faith and trust the process
There are some.tone/behavioural shifts emerging. A sense of urgency finally coming out. That means better reads and insights
Let it play and the come back to tell us all about it
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Lol rude to oats
Gtfo
Can't remember koshi
How did you go from mocsta as scum on n1 to choosing dmb over rayn over mocsta
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On June 11 2024 17:03 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 16:56 Mocsta wrote:
Lol rude to oats
Gtfo
Can't remember koshi
How did you go from mocsta as scum on n1 to choosing dmb over rayn over mocsta He was. Very briefly. But that's ok. I am also rude at times. N1 was first hour of the day for me. But I had you as mafia because I thought you were pushing a specific narrative in the thread. I thought you were not trying to solve the game as a whole. Just limiting yourself to a specific part. But I had doubts if I was correct on you. The Vivax excursion left me angry and I came back to what I originally thought. I drew a line before going to bed between the two camps. And the talk you guys had with Oatsmaster made me see that I was wrong and that there is a strong core in your side of town. Now we are here. Your camp has a strong towncore, I have Oats and Scott. The solution is dmb/sandroba and 1 more. I need more specificity please
What narrative are you talking about? As in what precisely stood out above all else, and why was that scummy to focus on given that as you said there was only one hour of gameplay notched on your belt.
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Travel
Stop biting
Im.sorry to say. It's adding noise
Move on. Have a tug..come back and analyse what comes out of this
Please 
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On June 11 2024 17:09 Mocsta wrote:Travel Stop biting Im.sorry to say. It's adding noise Move on. Have a tug..come back and analyse what comes out of this Please trfel sorry
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On June 11 2024 17:07 Koshi wrote:
I think there is max 1 mafia in Vivax, Tfrel, Mocsta and Tfrel. Potentially 0. So if you 4 want rayn, and rayn does not want to come to me and talk to me, I can vote him. Thank you
You are welcome to come again any time
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On June 11 2024 17:11 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 17:08 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 17:03 Koshi wrote:On June 11 2024 16:56 Mocsta wrote:
Lol rude to oats
Gtfo
Can't remember koshi
How did you go from mocsta as scum on n1 to choosing dmb over rayn over mocsta He was. Very briefly. But that's ok. I am also rude at times. N1 was first hour of the day for me. But I had you as mafia because I thought you were pushing a specific narrative in the thread. I thought you were not trying to solve the game as a whole. Just limiting yourself to a specific part. But I had doubts if I was correct on you. The Vivax excursion left me angry and I came back to what I originally thought. I drew a line before going to bed between the two camps. And the talk you guys had with Oatsmaster made me see that I was wrong and that there is a strong core in your side of town. Now we are here. Your camp has a strong towncore, I have Oats and Scott. The solution is dmb/sandroba and 1 more. I need more specificity please What narrative are you talking about? As in what precisely stood out above all else, and why was that scummy to focus on given that as you said there was only one hour of gameplay notched on your belt. Not really useful for me to go back to that. I think I wrote it down and marv agreed. Something about your filter being disconnecred from the game. I read your filter and I think scotts filter close to each other and your filter was less informative about how the game played out. Something like that. It's how I tried to catch up yeah ok. That's acceptable
I just need the rayn vote for now
Will check the marv thing in future if necessary
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On June 11 2024 17:12 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 17:09 Koshi wrote:On June 11 2024 17:04 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 16:46 Koshi wrote:On June 11 2024 16:44 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 16:39 Koshi wrote:
Tfrel bro.
It is impossible all mafia is in Koshi rayn dmb and Oats.
If you think 3/4 are you are still in one of the most unique situations in mafia history. No mafia team ever pushes like this.
So more likely it is 2/4 and the 2 townies in Koshi rayn dmb and Oats found the third mafia. No offense, but Koshi, have you read the thread? I am well aware of this and said this here: On June 11 2024 09:33 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 09:28 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:25 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 09:21 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:18 Mocsta wrote:
[quote]cool
Scott is looking better to me. Glad there is alignment there to not focus today on Scott.
I still like the vivax lynch and there does appear to be resistance today from the bottom end of the group which to me is much different build up to kelsier.
I will vote rayn if there is enough for majority
Oats. I'm still giving a town pass today although he is progressively coming across to me as shitting the thread. I want to give benefit of the doubt he's as lost as me and is equally a provocative style player. I’d also lynch Rayn. Trfel what you think of a Rayn lynch? I'm willing to lynch die_meatbaby, raynpelikoneet, or Koshi. It's hard for me to figure out which lynch is best. I’m also fine with all that. But I’m relying on your analysis to be honest. That being said I’d prefer to try the harder lynches now while your still alive. I am kinda giving up due to frustration and insanity. I can't figure out which lynch is best, and they're all coming off incredibly scummy. But it's unlikely they are all mafia, next to impossible, it's never ever so simple. Then there's the kicker that even if we figure it out we probably don't have the support. But oh well. Yes. But the part that the townies in that list have a brain and are also trying to solve the game is lost on you. You were rude to Oats. You are doomsday posting because we dont exactly think like you do. While if Sandroba is mafia. We are presenting you the full solution to the game and you repay us with talking about conceding. Not fun bro What? I was impatient and rude with Oatsmaster. I apologized, and I will try to do better. For what it's worth, he wasn't particularly kind to me either. I'm well aware that town players can think differently and have different conclusions than me. This is why I have been working to figure out who is mafia and who isn't. For example, I've reached out to die_meatbaby multiple times to try and understand where she is coming from, and if she is town, to try and realize that. She has generally not responded. I know I got frustrated with Oatsmaster, but this wasn't due to the fact that he was disagreeing with me, it was the way he was doing so, with constant comments seemingly trying to get under my skin. I'm not proud of this by an means, but you can't say it's the same as getting mad at someone for simply disagreeing. I'm not really sorry for getting discouraged? Nothing against Alakaslam at all, stuff happens, but if he's town, that puts us in a really rough spot. When you combine the missing vote with the lack of logic and the antagonizing chip shots, it's pretty darn discouraging. At the same time, I have a right to play the game and try to find mafia, and a part of that is trying to figure out what is right and what isn't. I don't mean to be insulting to anyone, or frustrating to anyone, but at the same time, if someone says something that I think is wrong, I have a right to say so. Just as anyone else has a right to say so if I say something they think is wrong. It's a two way street. Yes, I've been far from perfect. But your post above is quite the mischaracterization of my play. Yes. I was a little snippy snappy because you asked me if I could read. You want me to vote rayn? I'll give you my vote. Okay, that's fair. I apologize. It was a culmination of frustrations of being asked things I've just said. I know it's natural for people to miss things, I miss things all the time, I just feel like it's been happening a lot this game, almost deliberately, to be obnoxious. You should vote whoever you think is most likely to flip mafia. I could be wrong. I'm trying to re-evaluate sandroba right now. kiss and made up. How lovely.
Revaluate as you need just stay on rayn whilst doing it please.
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On June 11 2024 17:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 17:17 Koshi wrote:
But the talk was good. It felt like 5 townies. Did you feel deceit? There is no need for any deceit. There is only need for not to vote for sandroba. Mocsta didn't do shit all, and when people started talking about lynching me he just rolled with it. AZ became dumb after being smart on D1. Trfel and Vivax are town. Idk what Vivax actually is doing and Trfel is just too tunneled to objectively look at any argument at all in the game, so he is lost cause.
So you're arguing there was 4-5mafia?
I dunno who the 5th is that koshi talks of
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