EPTOn May 12 2024 02:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
That's simply just untrue. Of course reads on the first pages are not very convincing, i would be surprised if anyone was really confident in a read like 5 pages into the game, especially when game is slow.
I mean, what better reason could someone have for scumreading someone than that Trfel called scott mafia, then backpedaled out of it? Because that's what i read.. If someone calls a post scummy i think they think the post is scummy (which is definition of someone being mafia -- making scummy post(s)).
Furthermore i did definitely not stir up suspicion between Scott/Trfel, i clearly laid out my town read on scott, and i also gave room for Trfel to do what he wants to do, because i was not sure of that read after a couple of questions.
Why was Trfel clearly town at that point? Because his "read" (which wasnt a read at all) on scott was almost the only thing he had done that time?
That's actually exactly characteristic of my (especially) town play...
In... like.... every... game... ever....
That's simply just untrue. Of course reads on the first pages are not very convincing, i would be surprised if anyone was really confident in a read like 5 pages into the game, especially when game is slow.
I mean, what better reason could someone have for scumreading someone than that Trfel called scott mafia, then backpedaled out of it? Because that's what i read.. If someone calls a post scummy i think they think the post is scummy (which is definition of someone being mafia -- making scummy post(s)).
Furthermore i did definitely not stir up suspicion between Scott/Trfel, i clearly laid out my town read on scott, and i also gave room for Trfel to do what he wants to do, because i was not sure of that read after a couple of questions.
Why was Trfel clearly town at that point? Because his "read" (which wasnt a read at all) on scott was almost the only thing he had done that time?
That's actually exactly characteristic of my (especially) town play...
In... like.... every... game... ever....
Normally you get super invested in your (imo often weakly based) suspicions and repeat them ad nauseam.
This game you found Scott's first post townie. Trfel found it scummy. You ask Trfel to explain his suspicion of the post. He gives an explanation and you say Trfel may be scum. Trfel obviously wasn't committing hard to scum reading Scott based off that one post, but then you start accusing Trfel of backtracking on his read and say that it's suspicious of him to have a scum read this early in the game.
Your other point for suspecting Trfel seems odd to me as well. You say that you expect Trfel to have a read on you by now. I think I recall you believing Cake slipped in a past game by giving you too easy of a town read. I don't think that you would view your play as transparent enough for Trfel to be able to read through you at the start of the game.
I'm not saying that either were clear town at the time, but at the moment that seems most likely to me.
I'm pretty sure your most consistent method of scum hunting has just been to press and try to figure out who is genuinely interested in pursuing their scum reads, so I don't feel bad about my reasons to suspect you. Throwing out suspicion without follow-up is basically your number 1 red flag.
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