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On March 11 2024 10:20 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 10:19 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 10:13 iamperfection wrote:
feel like if rayn was voted mayor game would be over lol If you want me to be more toxic than you all you have to do is ask. You guys moan when JK claims D1 but when someone claims scum in your face you just shrug. Now you just go for self sabotage. Winner mindset obviously. yeah it was very self sabotage of me to want to vote the other blue for mayor.
You aren't playing the game discussing reads you prefer to throw yourself at the floor and throw a tantrum about how it isn't your preferred mayor. Do you need a month off to cope with that fact or something?
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On March 11 2024 10:29 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 10:20 iamperfection wrote:On March 11 2024 10:19 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 10:13 iamperfection wrote:
feel like if rayn was voted mayor game would be over lol If you want me to be more toxic than you all you have to do is ask. You guys moan when JK claims D1 but when someone claims scum in your face you just shrug. Now you just go for self sabotage. Winner mindset obviously. yeah it was very self sabotage of me to want to vote the other blue for mayor. You aren't playing the game discussing reads you prefer to throw yourself at the floor and throw a tantrum about how it isn't your preferred mayor. Do you need a month off to cope with that fact or something?
ive given a read on every player in the game
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On March 11 2024 10:29 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 10:29 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 10:20 iamperfection wrote:On March 11 2024 10:19 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 10:13 iamperfection wrote:
feel like if rayn was voted mayor game would be over lol If you want me to be more toxic than you all you have to do is ask. You guys moan when JK claims D1 but when someone claims scum in your face you just shrug. Now you just go for self sabotage. Winner mindset obviously. yeah it was very self sabotage of me to want to vote the other blue for mayor. You aren't playing the game discussing reads you prefer to throw yourself at the floor and throw a tantrum about how it isn't your preferred mayor. Do you need a month off to cope with that fact or something? ive given a read on every player in the game
That's true but you dismiss evidence I present simply because I became the JK mayor and instead go on your bully route.
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On March 11 2024 10:31 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 10:29 iamperfection wrote:On March 11 2024 10:29 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 10:20 iamperfection wrote:On March 11 2024 10:19 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 10:13 iamperfection wrote:
feel like if rayn was voted mayor game would be over lol If you want me to be more toxic than you all you have to do is ask. You guys moan when JK claims D1 but when someone claims scum in your face you just shrug. Now you just go for self sabotage. Winner mindset obviously. yeah it was very self sabotage of me to want to vote the other blue for mayor. You aren't playing the game discussing reads you prefer to throw yourself at the floor and throw a tantrum about how it isn't your preferred mayor. Do you need a month off to cope with that fact or something? ive given a read on every player in the game That's true but you dismiss evidence I present simply because I became the JK mayor and instead go on your bully route.
are you purposely trying to antagonize me? it wont work.
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DP alive D3 warrants a better look from any competent town player.
And I think he's scum then a bunch of townies show up and make me wanna omgus them.
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Feels like it at least.
You just couldn't believe I could see him when you can't and your overinflated egos can't take that.
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On March 11 2024 10:19 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 10:13 iamperfection wrote:
feel like if rayn was voted mayor game would be over lol If you want me to be more toxic than you all you have to do is ask. You guys moan when JK claims D1 but when someone claims scum in your face you just shrug. Now you just go for self sabotage. Winner mindset obviously.
Who scum claimed?
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Thoughts on Rels:
On March 05 2024 03:17 Rels wrote:Voting ToTheStars, mainly for his last post. Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 20:36 ToTheStars wrote:
I don't think it's fair to say that I posted and then disappeared. I am not going to be playing mafia all day long. Don't expect me to post more than like 5-10 posts per 10-20 pages. Also I am not used to games with over 20 players so I'm likely going to put minimal effort until day 4 or 5, or whenever we get to a more manageable number of players (I'd say 11 living players is when I start really thriving).
I'm a he btw (because I saw somebuddy ask).
And I voted trfel because I didn't like their entrance. It felt a bit off tone-wise, like fake maybe. I am not even close to being convinced they are mafia, but where I come from you use votes to apply pressure, which allows you to develop reads better. I don't really have a grasp on the game right now or on the style of mafia you play here, so 90% of what has been posted so far sounds completely irrelevant to anyone's alignment, and tbh I'm kinda grasping at straws to have any sort of read (and still end up with extremely weak reads). But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads. I hate the last paragraph in particular. So much words to justify this weak vote. It looks like he's afraid to do something that might be suspicious and is asking permission The rest of his filter is also nothing
Ok good start here, him calling out hesitancy is good.
On March 05 2024 04:42 Rels wrote:
BTW I also think Vivax' claim was kind of stupid, but now that it's done, he 100% should be the mayor
Vivax dumb but should be mayor, pretty common sentiment.
On March 05 2024 04:52 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:44 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:43 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:42 iamperfection wrote:
Alright we are getting off track. Humoring vivaxs delusions that he made a good play is a waste of time. You either think he is scum or town for that he did we aren't voting him mayor.
Let's talk about how useless ve has been. He also is running for mayor but his post seems insincere to me. I'm voting him What post? His running for mayor post Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 14:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Good morning everyone. It turns out I'm town for once so I apologize in advance for your own inability to read me and subsequent mislynch of me. I will endeavor to prevent it but I would do that as Mafia too so shrugz0rz.
I am running for mayor on a platform of lynching a lurker of my own choosing that is not subject to towns knowledge or influence.
A vote for VE is a vote for an active town.
Anyone who has posted so far is safe D1, for I am a kind and benevolent Lord. Meh, I don't really see it. Not that I think it's townie, but I don't see the insecurity?
Defends VE against Iamp, interesting that he’s saying he doesn’t see the insecurity in VE while he does see the hesitancy in TTS.
On March 05 2024 05:06 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:54 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:53 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:52 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:44 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:43 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:42 iamperfection wrote:
Alright we are getting off track. Humoring vivaxs delusions that he made a good play is a waste of time. You either think he is scum or town for that he did we aren't voting him mayor.
Let's talk about how useless ve has been. He also is running for mayor but his post seems insincere to me. I'm voting him What post? His running for mayor post On March 04 2024 14:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Good morning everyone. It turns out I'm town for once so I apologize in advance for your own inability to read me and subsequent mislynch of me. I will endeavor to prevent it but I would do that as Mafia too so shrugz0rz.
I am running for mayor on a platform of lynching a lurker of my own choosing that is not subject to towns knowledge or influence.
A vote for VE is a vote for an active town.
Anyone who has posted so far is safe D1, for I am a kind and benevolent Lord. Meh, I don't really see it. Not that I think it's townie, but I don't see the insecurity? insincerity As in he isn't really running for mayor So the fact that he hasn't posted since his first spray of post? It makes him a lurker but I don't understand why it makes him scum
Another defense of VE
He actually goes back and forth with sandroba and rayn here a bit on VE, the strangest part for me is that he doesn’t want to straight up townread VE, he just “doesn’t understand why VE is scum”
He says DMB is the second worse filter after TTS.
On March 05 2024 05:35 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:31 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 05:29 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
[quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia. I don't like it at all. I think this is the second? comment about it, first being my rayn if I remember correctly. Why the "Trfl looks smart" a bad thing? Last game here, he was on fire and caught all the mafia team. If you feel like that, pressure him to give you a list of players. I can add a third, I thought those Trfel posts were bad too. If I remember right, it was his first posts too, it looked like scum hiding between technicality/setup discussion to participate. I liked his posts going forward though, I think he's town now
So Trfel’s initial posts were scummy but now he’s town. It will be interesting to see where Rel’s vote ends up.
Calls Koshi very townie
On March 05 2024 12:20 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:29 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 05 2024 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So VE posted a bunch of nothing... What are you expecting rayn? I think most everyone who's posted looks good, most everyone who hasn't looks bad, and you know who I'd kill as mayor, but not who I'd vote to lynch. I'm not going to try and push a lurker lynch because that's fucking stupid as fuck, so I'm going to wait and see what lynch targets emerge. Right now I'm one of them, and I know I'm town, so if it comes to it I'd probably lynch the other guy but otherwise, I'll vote who I think looks worse of the candidates D1. ERMAGERD AND YOU NEEDED ALL THAT SPELLED OUT RIGHT?! Rayn isn't usually this dense, must be mafia. SEE HAO FUCKING STUPID THAT SOUNDS RAYN!?!?!?? Not impressed at all by all those ve posts. He's probably not even in the bottom 5 activity wise then seem content to call himself a lurker with no opinion "I think most everyone who's posted looks good, most everyone who hasn't looks bad" really? I have a hard time believing this. Can you list who is in that "everyone who's posted looks good" category?
Starts to evolve towards a scumread on VE. This is a full 7 hours after the initial discussions he had with rayn and sandroba.
He then makes 3 posts in a row to call Palmar scum, I’m gonna hold judgement of this until I’ve reread Palmar as well.
On March 06 2024 08:24 Rels wrote:Same question for Trfel, any case? I liked what I saw from him at the beginning of the game
Still likes Trfel
On March 06 2024 09:02 Rels wrote:
Finished reading JAT's filter, DP anything what was the thing(s) you saw that was not smart? I thought it was pretty empty for sure, didn't see any red flag though.
No red flags on JAT. Finishes the day at Palmar JAT No Trfel
But his vote ends on JAT since nobody was on Palmar. At this point the vote was 8-5 for Trfel, only rayn was left on Palmar. I can’t really fault him for this because this was the same reason I ended up on JAT.
Next he calls cake really townie
Votes Oats
On March 07 2024 12:44 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 06:11 Koshi wrote:
Rels posts read uninterested. Good case from JAT on Rels. I can't believe everyone is saying that. It's one of the most garbage case I've ever read JAT looks pretty good for the rest of N1 though
Calls JAT’s case trash but then says JAT looks good for N1
After catching up with the thread he reinforces that JAT is town.
On March 07 2024 13:08 Rels wrote:VE is anyone person I hate. I agree with rayn, this post looks much more like a fake anger than a genuine one. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:29 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 05 2024 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So VE posted a bunch of nothing... What are you expecting rayn? I think most everyone who's posted looks good, most everyone who hasn't looks bad, and you know who I'd kill as mayor, but not who I'd vote to lynch. I'm not going to try and push a lurker lynch because that's fucking stupid as fuck, so I'm going to wait and see what lynch targets emerge. Right now I'm one of them, and I know I'm town, so if it comes to it I'd probably lynch the other guy but otherwise, I'll vote who I think looks worse of the candidates D1. ERMAGERD AND YOU NEEDED ALL THAT SPELLED OUT RIGHT?! Rayn isn't usually this dense, must be mafia. SEE HAO FUCKING STUPID THAT SOUNDS RAYN!?!?!?? The rest of his filter is a whole lot of nothing. LOL at this too  not strictly AI I don't think but it made me laugh Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 04:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
All right well, I guess I'll vote for Koshi as mayor since you guys are cowards and won't vote for me. Vivax claim makes him look super bad to me, pretty sure its NAI but I certainly don't believe the claim, he just wanted to be mayor. I don't think Vivax necessarily mafia, but I generally don't want him to be mayor either.
Koshi is calling for my head indirectly, but I think he town and I think he's a better mayor candidate generally speaking. Maybe posting this will put me at 4 pages and out of the range of his wrath. (makes 9 useless posts in 28 minutes) Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 04:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
And I'm officially at 4 pages. Good night sweet prince.
Suddenly Rels is agreeing with Rayn about VE’s tone. This is probably the biggest discrepancy in Rel’s filter so far and it’s especially suspect since he starts to come around after VE makes it abundantly clear he’s not going to be helping the town much this game. Several people had keyed in on this early but Rels did that weird soft defense thing where he refused to call VE town but called into question the people who were bringing up valid points.
TR’s Marv, DP, CC, Marv again (lol), Koshi, and probably me and JAT
Calls cake town again
Like Iamp’s post calling VE, TTS, and Palmar scum
Not a fan of DMB
Once again, scum team of Palmar, TTS, VE, Oats
Koshi supertown
On March 09 2024 12:34 Rels wrote:Happy about that one Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 03:59 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 03:47 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard Does the rest of his play change anything? No, what do you think of him? I don't understand his read on CopCake - at 2 points in the thread we had exact opposites view her play. When she was posting tea party fluff, I thought it was pure NAI and he thought it was scummy. When she pushed DP, I thought she was scummy and he thought she looked better. I don't understand why he thought CC looked better
Ok now we’re at a post I really hated and pinged me hard. After not really being around and contributing to the conversation about Oat, Rels jumps in a quotes himself to try and show he was scumreading Oats early, no townie feels the need to draw attention to this sort of thing, and if we look back through the rest of Rel’s regular scumreads, it’s only ever been Palmar and VE (after he evolved his read).
On March 09 2024 12:38 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 12:36 DarthPunk wrote:On March 09 2024 12:34 Rels wrote:Happy about that one On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard On March 05 2024 03:59 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 03:47 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard Does the rest of his play change anything? No, what do you think of him? I don't understand his read on CopCake - at 2 points in the thread we had exact opposites view her play. When she was posting tea party fluff, I thought it was pure NAI and he thought it was scummy. When she pushed DP, I thought she was scummy and he thought she looked better. I don't understand why he thought CC looked better Yes yes RELS, I remember your early distancing from oats. Thanks for the reminder. LOL Please read me past scum games to see how I treat my teammates If TTS really is mafia, I had an awesome D1 for once
Maybe a little self congratulatory TMI here?
On March 09 2024 13:12 Rels wrote:
I'm happy that a scum flipped, and I'm fucking happy one of the first things I found in this game turned out to be right when nobody else saw it
Keeps scrambling for that town cred
On March 10 2024 12:43 Rels wrote:Also. I caught TTS D1 (yes I know, I must have been distancing ... lol)
Pat yourself on the back again.
So in my mind, scum has probably known VE is a lost cause since D2, hence why I still have suspicions about individuals who pushed for VE over Oats yesterday. With that said, the refusal to call VE town while weirdly defending him really sticks out to me in Rel’s filter, and then after it becomes clear lots of people are scumreading VE he jumps right in. He’s also got a lot of townreads which is easy for scum, he’s strangely single tracked on Palmar and VE being scum. Despite not listing TTS or Oats in any of his regular reads lists (he does include Oats in one after Oats got red checked lol), he’s more than happy to jump up and claim credit in the one or two posts where he mentions he finds them suspicious. Lastly, he’s been tunneling Palmar since D1, but today he’s just silently hopped on the VE wagon with not a peep about his biggest scum read… maybe he forgot about that because here:
On March 10 2024 09:46 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 23:31 marvellosity wrote:On March 09 2024 23:27 iamperfection wrote:On March 09 2024 23:24 marvellosity wrote:
This isn’t a democracy I'll give you one for sure then you give me one. TTS I think these people are town DP Vivax Jealous Palmar Cc Jsl Iamp Koshi Slam Poe is the rest. But tbh I would be shocked if all the above are town. I think we have the exact same list if Jealous is swapped for JAT. Why Jealous?
He agrees with Marv that Palmar, the player he’s been going after all game, is town.
I think Rels is my missing scum, I feel a lot more comfortable Palmar is town now since aside from VE, Rels hasn’t actually gone after anyone I would consider scum, instead he’s TR’d lots of people and tried to claim credit on the flipped scum so far.
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Oh shoot I left out the part about DMB, he throws shade her several times, has her listed as possible scum, but doesn't really do much else about it, if I had to guess, he's lining up for a DMB mislynch at some point down the line if he is never able to get a Palmar train going.
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On March 11 2024 07:25 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Actually, to wrap things up, Jealous could you give your complete updated list at this point?
3) DarthPunk - I always TR'd him, and my mason with him did nothing to change this. I got more confident in my town read but also more paranoid that I was just getting smarmed by a very proficient player. However, I think the shot basically has to confirm him as town at this point. I can still see a world where killing TTS with the shot to earn near-infinite town cred is a slight possibility, but Ockham's has treated me well so far and I will stick to it. So, for now, operating on the assumption that he is infallible town.
4) Vivax - Same story for Vivax, at this point I basically have to assume he is town, despite the fact that i have not been much of a fan of his posting over the past cycle or two. It's almost like he got his mayor role and now gets to throw his weight around and not try too hard. Not to say he wasn't active, of course. I am still willing to give the benefit of the doubt and believe that the VE second wagon was an "experiment" of sorts, and trying to counter-pressure me with "I think you're only bringing this up to clear VE's name" was a lazy play where he didn't map out the interactions that would have to happen for this to be true (a triple bus triangle). Lazy!mayor is still far more likely than superluckyuncc'dscum!mayor IMO.
8) Jealous - I'm VT.
9) Meapak_Ziphh - I feel like other players have found way more fault with your play than I have, but I haven't dove you in a while. This recent series of posts is high effort, and I can only imagine what a slog my filter must have been. I am definitely leaning town but you're not a null hypothesis town for me like DP/Vivax.
10) Palmar - I'm still struggling to put my finger on Palmar's play completely. A lot of it feels pretty lazy. That might be a self-preservation tactic. Yet it reeks confidence. Yet he admits to being an ego-driven player, IIRC (please correct me if I'm wrong). Definite WIFOM here. What has Palmar actually achieved/done? I find it hard to name an accomplishment or solid push on anyone of relevance so far, but that might be selective WIOM memory here. Overall though, I think my general vibe from him has been generally town.
11) justanothertownie - Similar to Palmar in my books. I still don't think scum!JAT would push against the Vivax claim/mayor as hard as he did to his own detriment on D1. I didn't find many or any faults with his play from my just playing the game at a natural pace. Though, I have also not taken a dive into his filter in a while.
12) die_meatbaby - I was really, really convinced of my read on the DMB vote from Oats being basically a town confirm. As a reminder, according to Slam, Oats voted for DMB publicly in the thread 13 seconds after he was outed as scum by Slam, which we now know is true. Was this locked and loaded? Ockham's says no, IMO. However, Rels made a great case for how this absolutely could have been locked and loaded. See post and follow-ups here. So, I have to introduce a little bit of doubt here.
13) CopCake - Not going to waste my time reiterating myself for a tenth time but I am scum reading Cop, despite some waffling about her play being NAI in general. I still think this is the best lynch.
14) JacobStrangelove - Basically have to assume that JSL is town along with DP at this point because of the claims.
16) Iamperfection - I have been consistently townreading iamperfection from the start and not much has changed in this regard, but I also recognize that they are not a hypothetically confirmed town in my current worldview. So, I have to start introducing doubt into all of my softer town reads. Out of all the people I have as half-town-reads, I would say this is my strongest.
17) Koshi - True neutral at this point. I was sheeping them D1 but that led to a ML (not necessarily attributing fault but they don't get brownie points for it either). Their play since then has not been inspiring. They also helped form that second wagon on VE when Oats was scum. I'm still not 100% convinced of a double scum bus, but I haven't done the due diligence as far as who was responsible, what the relative timings were, etc. I really need to get to work because I feel like I've been coasting on just playing the game as opposed to digging into it and picking apart who is doing what for a lot of my soft town reads, and at this point Koshi feels like one of the ones that I have had the least amount of confidence in.
19) VisceraEyes - I agree with everyone about what VE's conduct has been like, which is far from what I'd consider to be townie. They are even more of a wildcard to me than CopCake at this point IMO. This is another good lynch IMO, but I am still going Cop first.
20) Rels - Despite what I said above about giving props to Rels for doing the work and research into Oats' vote on DMB, I still feel kinda ambivalent about their performance and contributions overall over the past few cycles. I just feel like I don't have a good feel for their play or their alignment, which usually means they have been treading lightly and not doing much, which overall doesn't look great but doesn't necessarily mean they are scum, either.
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So, you may notice at this point that I don't have enough scum to have a full scum team, and that's not great in terms of optics or play, admittedly. Sad truth is, that's where I'm at. I think that as more lynches and kills come in, I'll have a better idea of who is more likely to be scum. By PoE, I'd say that Rels and Koshi are more likely to be scum than DP and Vivax, for example. My approach as of now is to basically search for the most likely scum out of the people remaining, and I think I have two strong contenders. In the next cycle or two - assuming I am still alive - I will invest more time into reading filters on the people I am on the fence about as opposed to the people that have rubbed me entirely the wrong way up until now. At this point, my order of most likely to be scum individually with no investigations on associations are:
1. CopCake or VE, basically tied.
2. Koshi/Rels/Palmar.
3. MZ.
4. JAT.
5. Iamperfection.
6. DMB.
That's basically my PoE, and I'll work through them in that manner as time allows and as flips come in, basically.
PS: The reason I did the Oats reads is because he basically told me to, so I did. I basically wasn't going to let laziness stop me. Even though I reiterated that I townread him heavily all the way to the end, I felt like he was asking more questions than providing his own reads, being combative in general. I kinda wrote it off as his playstyle, and given some of the other styles we have here, I didn't think too much of it. But, I did want a reads list from him, so I put in the effort to generate one, correct it, and update it.
PPS: Thanks for giving my filter a fair shake.
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On March 08 2024 22:15 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 22:11 Vivax wrote:On March 08 2024 17:11 Koshi wrote:On March 08 2024 10:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax I helped you become mayor, so I feel I have a responsibility to keep you on track.
So when you do dumb shit I am going to block you every time until I die.
If you don't want to lynch Oats today that is fine, I will lynch Cake who is confirmed fucking mafia and then we can lynch oats tomorrow.
You may be mayor right now but i am in control of this fucking thread. CC is not mafia. Worst case she is traitor and played very cool D1. She could also be pretending to be traitor while you are the traitor tbh I would be disappointed if mafia doesnt guess me at least once.
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Oats didn‘t play like someone on a weal team either.
Aside from TTS they have 1-2 heavy hitters in there most likely amobg jat palmar dp
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I should probably just pretend that MZ consciously or unconsciously wants to help someone on the mafia team he‘d be too obvious.
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Finally free to play the game. Also super tired so I won't be catching up  didn't read anything since my last post. I think I'll just check if and what CopCake has posted since she's the counter wagon and I will call it a day
I hope hope hope I can play tomorrow during work, or at least catch up. I already know I can't during the morning, but nothing much going on in the afternoon yet. Hopefully it will stay that way ...
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On March 10 2024 15:05 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2024 12:43 Vivax wrote:On March 10 2024 12:41 Rels wrote:
With this out of the way, going to bed. Very interested to see how CopCake handles this (still thinks she's town but interested nonetheless) How can you think that? She‘s like the witch doctor on team dire at this point. Just going in wolololo at the game when she posts. ##vote: copcake I am town but I want to quit the game, I am not enjoying it like I tend to do it. Rayn might get a bit annoyed but I am a sensitive person and if I do not like something, I just quit. Same happened when Slam was having a difficult moment, I felt bad so I wanted out.
Didn't expect this. I was expecting either "super angry, will post a lot defending myself and OMGUSing" or "plain afk" from scum!CopCake, or "being angry but still trying to solve the game" from CopCake
Don't really know what to make of it
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On March 11 2024 12:07 Rels wrote:Finally free to play the game. Also super tired so I won't be catching up didn't read anything since my last post. I think I'll just check if and what CopCake has posted since she's the counter wagon and I will call it a day I hope hope hope I can play tomorrow during work, or at least catch up. I already know I can't during the morning, but nothing much going on in the afternoon yet. Hopefully it will stay that way ...
If more votes are on Cop, then they shift to VE and VE has more, does that make Cop the "counter"wagon?
Logic would dictate that VE arose as the counterwagon to Cop, but I just don't know how y'all define these things and if you haven't read or looked at the vote thread in depth then you might be just wrong, so I wanna make sure.
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Jealous great effort but posting so much is scummy when he should already think Cop and Ve are tied.
I think he’s ignoring the shitfest around him to hide in plain sight by being performative, unlike ve and palmar.
Also still not acknowledging cop fought the claim just as hard as jat.
Adjusting vote to Jealous.
Mz, Dp, Jealous.
Koshi traitor
Cop vengeful
No vet in game
My guess atm
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Vivax are you calling me mafia just because I am alive right now?
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There’s at least 5 players who just blatantly don’t put any genuine effort into the game: VE, Rels. To a lesser extent Palmar, copcake, dmb
It’s more probable they are just all town simply cause they can’t all be scum.
They just don’t give a shit. Oats gave a shit, TTS hid among them.
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