On December 16 2023 06:25 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2023 05:18 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2023 04:58 sandroba wrote:
HF main points for being mafia for me are:
- trying to bury me while it seemed like I would be a viable lynch
- Arguing against the Chezinu lynch even though he thought he was 99% mafia due to "no info" bullshit
- Not really trying to get anyone lynched d2 pretty much just following palmar marv koshi
Points for being town:
- He seems to be trying to put in time to investigate stuff, that Trfel analysis looks genuine to me
- He gives off a vibe of self-assured innocence that comes off in his posts.
- Flat out calling Chezinu 99% mafia and refusing to vote for him is very balsy for mafia
I stand by still thinking you were mafia. I think you only became "findable" after the palmar situation and even then I'm still hesitant about it because I don't like your directioning/positioning with what you're saying currently or what you were saying just after the chez stuff. In my mind you should be tripling down on palmar and trfel but you're doing some weird thing where you're keeping me at arm's reach still and not really comitting to trying to find me or investigating any of my stances or mindset.
I didn't argue against the chez lynch to any meaningful extent other than one post saying I think it was shit and I will triple down and still say I think it was a shit choice even if I knew he was very likely to be mafia. I don't advocate for the stance of always getting mafia being good, I think even a lynch on a townie that people had taken stances on would have just been as good, perhaps better. Although he was the rber so more fortuitous for us in the long run. I believe information and forcing people to do things that is uncharacteristic for them or puts them in positions they don't want to be in is a much better situation.
I'm not that invested in this game to care what happens if the direction is fine with what I'm thinking at the time. If the direction goes wayward I'll interject with some of my own work (see the trfel stuff when I thought you were looking a bit better) but if I don't have to be in the game I'll try not to be.
Look everyone I think is mafia has done some townie shit at some point.
Palmar may very well be mafia, and the more other people like you rayn and koshi post the more I think he is due to POE. He has done some shady shit, I don't think he tried to figure out my alignment at all in the QT.
Let me do a recap:
I was asking him to take a stance on a player I suspect (Trfel) to see if I can get a read from his reasoning.
He did not engage, just stated Trfel is town/ I also mentioned Chez to him which I said was giving me mafia tells, to which he responded that he doesn't read trolls.
He then asked me to claim blue, to which I asked why he wants to know, then he started to say things like he was mafia.
A bit later he said just kidding okay, not really claiming mafia, which I found dumb and suspicious.
He wanted to talk about things like pretend I'm mafia, who do we kill, etc, just a lot of trolling. He never asked me for a read or an explanation of a read.
After skipping some troll topics he proposed, we started talking about the DP NK. Why does DP get NK'ed. Assuming everyone is town - removing slam, chez, trfel, dmb which prob are never killed n1 - rayn hf koshi didn't do enough, I was widely suspected. That leaves him marv, dp - which means dp is the most dangerous out of the 3 and probably him and marv are just being wrong and stupid if town. He says mafia is prob afraid to shoot him he is protected.
I ask him why he was reading me scum to begin with. No answer. I remind him on the slam comment he pointed out that I noticed and dismissed as null. But then pressed him on that he made a serious post later admitting he also had no real read on Slam. So why did he think I'm scum. He reverts to trolling saying that slam bit is 100% reason to base a read on.
A bit more conversation going nowhere. Says he has to go, thinks I'm pretty townie in there and we talk more later, mybe about dmb and rayn. I ask him to comment on my collection of scummy posts by Trfel in the thread, he goes back to mafia claiming, saying he has an agenda.
Next day when I do catch him online he reverted back to asking me to claim blue. At this point I see what he posts in thread and just am done with entertaining the thought he might be town, say he is just mafia - ask if marv is his partner.
Later on after I see trfel slam and marv vote Chezinu against my wagon, I share with him my new reads, ask him to explain his DMB town read, but he is not there. To his credit he does give me an explanation about how if she was mafia why would she not buddy up to him, instead of being pissed off, after all he was lynching vivax, why she is pissed off that we were lynching vivax.
Seems flimsy to me, but after that DMB starts posting some paranoid things after the flip and I share with him I've come around to the dmb town read. But he is never there again. He never asks me anything anymore. At this point he should be like 95% sure I'm town or if he was just super stubborn at the very least think it's a strong possibility. He does not engage anymore, doesn't ask me shit. Is never online when I am even when he is posting in the thread.
EPT
