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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On December 16 2023 04:41 Palmar wrote: Rayn talk more about me please. Really get in there and tell me why I’ve been a bad boy. Sorry that was all i have to say for now. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On December 16 2023 04:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sorry that was all i have to say for now. Come on don’t be a tease | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Nah i just think it makes you mafia you say youre lost when your rest of post says you should not based on what you have thought before and after. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On December 16 2023 04:42 Holyflare wrote: I've even re-read my filter because I thought I may have adhommed rayn at some point out of frustration and he may have been slighted by it but I haven't and I am actually being gaslit. Nothing but charitable posts trying to point out what he was saying was wrong and then trying to solve the rest of the game only to be ocassionally sniped from the shadows by him again saying stuff about the beginning of the game. Sorry maybe ad hom was bit out of line. I was just angry for when you called me new low. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
- trying to bury me while it seemed like I would be a viable lynch - Arguing against the Chezinu lynch even though he thought he was 99% mafia due to "no info" bullshit - Not really trying to get anyone lynched d2 pretty much just following palmar marv koshi Points for being town: - He seems to be trying to put in time to investigate stuff, that Trfel analysis looks genuine to me - He gives off a vibe of self-assured innocence that comes off in his posts. - Flat out calling Chezinu 99% mafia and refusing to vote for him is very balsy for mafia | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On December 16 2023 04:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Nah i just think it makes you mafia you say youre lost when your rest of post says you should not based on what you have thought before and after. It’s called waffling | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
My thought process about the day can be surmised into: Sandro is probably mafia Palmar announced he has mason, I say he should mason sandro (no incentive to promote this if sandro is town) I spend some time looking at the game state from the perspective that sandro is mafia and notice that chez isn't really being mentioned by anyone in the game when mafia generally love bringing him up as an option if he's town or even just town mentioning about him but nobody is doing that so game state wise he's probably mafia so I check out his filter. I notice the character break specifically when he's talking about sandro which kind of doubles down my perspective about their association ~lots of irl work in between~ palmar posts the logs and I don't think they're particularly great sandro counters all that and starts flinging stuff out about his reads and palmar and whatever. This whole situation makes me think Palmar is mafia tbh, although I'm not invested enough to care about pushing it and it's just easier to say nothing and wait for my chance. I think sandro looks better regardless so I start entertaining his world that trfel is mafia. I also went to read back a bit of the night posts about what DP was saying (the stuff about DP sleeping etc, which I still think DP's pushes were really uncharitable to trfel). Trfel's filter doesn't really give me much in terms of conclusion. I still think there's an off chance he could have been mafia but I still think it's a coin flip and even after everything now still think it's possibly a coin flip, although I didn't pay much attention to people's stances around chez or yesterday's wagon at all. I dunno really what happens after this I wasn't really around much. I just know that the game state indicates chezinu is mafia and I don't want people to forget that (my 100% mafia post) and then slam kinda rolls with it. I think chez is an awful lynch, don't really care if he's mafia or not he will still be mafia in X days when we can lynch him anyway and a wagon on someone else would have been more useful. I don't really care enough to put in the energy to derail to something else because it's a lot of hassle (and I'd rather chill not in the game) to push onto someone like you and palmar and chez is a shrug ok fine lynch. You make some bad posts about me again and don't acknowledge what people are saying and you vote chezinu while sentiment is obviously pointing there after saying I am probably mafia. I don't think it's a good look for you, you didn't seem to evaluate anything and I don't think a town you ever votes there. Looks a lot like a bus vote. I try and bait you into voting me and you don't which solidfies that imo you were just trying to get credit and you don't actually think I'm mafia. Here we are. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On December 16 2023 04:58 sandroba wrote: HF main points for being mafia for me are: - trying to bury me while it seemed like I would be a viable lynch - Arguing against the Chezinu lynch even though he thought he was 99% mafia due to "no info" bullshit - Not really trying to get anyone lynched d2 pretty much just following palmar marv koshi Points for being town: - He seems to be trying to put in time to investigate stuff, that Trfel analysis looks genuine to me - He gives off a vibe of self-assured innocence that comes off in his posts. - Flat out calling Chezinu 99% mafia and refusing to vote for him is very balsy for mafia I stand by still thinking you were mafia. I think you only became "findable" after the palmar situation and even then I'm still hesitant about it because I don't like your directioning/positioning with what you're saying currently or what you were saying just after the chez stuff. In my mind you should be tripling down on palmar and trfel but you're doing some weird thing where you're keeping me at arm's reach still and not really comitting to trying to find me or investigating any of my stances or mindset. I didn't argue against the chez lynch to any meaningful extent other than one post saying I think it was shit and I will triple down and still say I think it was a shit choice even if I knew he was very likely to be mafia. I don't advocate for the stance of always getting mafia being good, I think even a lynch on a townie that people had taken stances on would have just been as good, perhaps better. Although he was the rber so more fortuitous for us in the long run. I believe information and forcing people to do things that is uncharacteristic for them or puts them in positions they don't want to be in is a much better situation. I'm not that invested in this game to care what happens if the direction is fine with what I'm thinking at the time. If the direction goes wayward I'll interject with some of my own work (see the trfel stuff when I thought you were looking a bit better) but if I don't have to be in the game I'll try not to be. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
I know what it's being called. My point is you should not have been waffling based on your posts before, after an in the same post (lol). | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On December 16 2023 05:18 Holyflare wrote: I believe information and forcing people to do things that is uncharacteristic for them or puts them in positions they don't want to be in is a much better situation. Cool, then you understand maybe 35% of what i was doing D2, and i think i succeeded.  | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On December 16 2023 04:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is timeline: ------(1)------------(2)-----> at (1) rayn questions sandroba at (2) Palmar makes his first post Holyflare, you voted for me after that. You were asked for your reasoning. You said one of the reasons was my town read on Palmar. Now this makes it clear you have read until (2). We discuss this further, and it becomes apparent you have not processed anything i have written properly enough to even realise i am at point (1) questioning (with my only relevant post in the game atm) your scumread sandroba. I call you out saying you cannot have thought about my posts properly, because you haven't even read me questioning your scumread sandroba (backed up by your own words). To which you answer "oh i just wanted to get a vote down" and some other shit. But this doesn't make any sense because you already had made a thought process on voting rayn, which you disclosed before. I understand i am not very good at english or not very good at explaining my shit, but this doesn't make any sense. None of the answers make any sense with what actually happened, and what actually should have been the thought process if anything was true. It's annoying people can't even understand this. I did not think about your posts properly, we are in agreement here. I was not that invested in the outcome of my vote as you seem to think I was. I thought your posts looked mediocre, I missed your question to sandroba (although I still think it's irrelevant to the points I made about you) and I thought what I was saying about you made sense enough to me to outline it in an entry post explaining my thoughts. 1) existing or not existing is only relevant to one of the very last sentences I wrote and that you bolded and nothing more in the 30 or so lines in that case. If you remove the word question from my post, does what I say about you disappear? The answer is no, and thus the fact you keep talking about 1) mattering to the situation is what is very confusing. I understand the english part and that's why I'm trying my best to avoid talking about this because to me what I am saying is very obviously explainable and I feel like I did a good job of explaining what I meant with it and why what you're saying isn't really relevant because even if I was mafia, I simply have no need to lie or fluff up my post with this questioning bit. The simple thing is the word question is irrelevant and you can replace it with "push" or nothing and the sentiment of my post remains. I am town. That's it. Nothing more. If you are town we can try and work past this game and just go after Palmar or something easy because I think he looks a bit silted atm. So even if you think I'm mafia and I think you're mafia we can probably find a mutual ground here and look into him. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On December 16 2023 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Cool, then you understand maybe 35% of what i was doing D2, and i think i succeeded. You think you were baiting me and I think I was baiting you :shrug: | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On December 16 2023 05:25 Holyflare wrote: I did not think about your posts properly, we are in agreement here. See this is why i thought, and one one of the reasons i still think you're mafia. You voted for me, you claimed reasoning for your vote. You didn't read my posts properly. I didn't, and i don't believe you did that as town. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On December 16 2023 05:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: See this is why i thought, and one one of the reasons i still think you're mafia. You voted for me, you claimed reasoning for your vote. You didn't read my posts properly. I didn't, and i don't believe you did that as town. Very well documented that I do in fact do this as town. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On December 16 2023 05:26 Holyflare wrote: You think you were baiting me and I think I was baiting you :shrug: I literally made you, sandroba, Koshi and Palmar act super fucking weirdly (and to some extent marv) based on the new information in thread. Now i just have to figure out who is mafia. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On December 16 2023 05:34 Holyflare wrote: Very well documented that I do in fact do this as town. You also downplayed the whole situation calling me boring and repeating just the same stuff after it was clear noone understood my point which was to me very clear. It works very well if you are mafia, because noone is already interested. But you read me town at the moment, and that was basically a claim to not work with me. It doesn't sit well with me, take it as you will. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
2) The problem i have here is that if youre telling the truth i would expect town!HF to get into discussion with me about it, that's what this is pretty much about. Since what i know from you, that's what you usually do. This is a quote from our last game we played together btw. You were mafia, I was town. So it's not like I would actually get into a discussion with you any more than I would there. Why are you saying I should have behaved differently? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
I can't work with you. I don't want to talk about this with you, especially with you. I have already said what i have to say, and i think you're mafia. If you have something else to talk about please do. My reads are not set in stone, and even if they were i am not gonna claim it until the end of night phase. | ||
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