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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On December 16 2023 02:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: This post sucks ass. Even if you think Koshi is town you for sure don't agree with him calling you mafia. I had deep gut lol at this one "Maybe he does eh" lol more | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On December 16 2023 03:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: marv's vote on chezinu probably solves this game, at least for me.  Likely for the same reasons it broke my world lol | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On December 16 2023 03:20 marvellosity wrote: Rayn I’m not ignoring you but I’m out with my other half so can’t give your series of posts the attention they might need I don't think he will vote you. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On December 16 2023 03:20 marvellosity wrote: Rayn I’m not ignoring you but I’m out with my other half so can’t give your series of posts the attention they might need No worries, it's not like i need any sort of answer on anything, aside that i kinda wanted from sandroba but he magically disappeared. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
It doesn't make sense, if he has no time to play better (as town or as mafia), why would he play better as mafia? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Not what I’m worried about bud | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
I don't understand why town!Holyflare thinks not reasoning with town!rayn should have a "good" outcome in any case. I can understand why defaulting into ad hom against town!rayn should result in good outcome for mafia!Holyflare. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
"this thing X is SOOO bad for rayn" "but maybe it's correct" "but it's soooo bad, rayn is sooo scum especially how he did it" "but yeah it's correct" "yeah marv voting with his scumread because his scumread asked is also so good, me follow plz" | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On December 16 2023 03:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Holyflare's fliter is very meek throughout the whole game. There is no posts that raise eyebrows into any direction. Then at the same time he claims he is busy and that's why he is not playing up to standards or whatever, you know what i mean, and then he claims also that if he was mafia he would not make those wishy-washy posts because he could do better. It doesn't make sense, if he has no time to play better (as town or as mafia), why would he play better as mafia? Not what I said. I said I know words, phrases and posting styles that are traditionally mafia oriented. If I were not really invested mafia trying to not get too much attention I wouldn't end a big post in a conclusion that ended up almost 50/50 with a town lean because that is obviously a waste of my precious time I'd have to influence the thread or steer it in a direction. You should know what my game style is as mafia and it's most certainly not whatever you're pretending to think it is now. What influence have I had to inject in this game that I needed to? I just have a good time chatting through things with people and point things out occasionally and that's all that's been required of me. You can see the thought processes behind what I'm writing as clear as day. Did you look into why I decided to make a post about trfel? No. Your case is so surface level it's insane. You're not paying attention to my motivations and that's extremely uncharacteristic and uncharitable and I think you're just trying to hammer home any point you can for the sake of it. Think about it from my point of view of sandroba progression, admitting that sandroba is starting to look a lot better, acknowledging points sandro made about trfel finally and reading back DPs filter to determine what he thought because he was also trfel focused. Want to get to the bottom of trfel because he's a key slot that needs solving and coming out with what I said. If you read Trfel's filter what would your conclusion be? If you read through my post what points did I specifically raise that you think should have swayed me further? You look at one line out of hundreds and incorrectly summarise the thought I put in throughout and try and whittle it down to nothingness. That's not town rayn imo. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On December 16 2023 03:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also if i accuse of town HF of something, he tries to reason with me, at least up to some point. Here he has not done any of that (while my argument was at least reasonable, regardless of if it makes him mafia or not). And that's why because noone understood my argument (i still don't know why), he had perfect chance to just call me boring, stupid and all time low, and i don't remember what other names -- i.e. just attack my credibility instead of trying to talk to me (even when he didn't believe i am mafia). I don't understand why town!Holyflare thinks not reasoning with town!rayn should have a "good" outcome in any case. I can understand why defaulting into ad hom against town!rayn should result in good outcome for mafia!Holyflare. I explained my whole thought process, we had a back and forth about it talking normally and you then ignored everything I had to say after and asked other people about it who said the same things I did and then have just said I'm mafia the entire game while reading almost nothing I wrote or interacting with me (your mafia read!). It seems like you don't actually care about being correct on me. I'm just labelled as something and pushed off to the side. You don't try and look for instances that you were maybe wrong about me, you're not playing constructively, you are destructive. Look at Koshi telling you about my chezinu points and posts (you ignored), look at slam saying the same thing (you ignored). What exactly do I work with here if you don't care? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On December 16 2023 03:51 Holyflare wrote: Not what I said. I said I know words, phrases and posting styles that are traditionally mafia oriented. If I were not really invested mafia trying to not get too much attention I wouldn't end a big post in a conclusion that ended up almost 50/50 with a town lean because that is obviously a waste of my precious time I'd have to influence the thread or steer it in a direction. You should know what my game style is as mafia and it's most certainly not whatever you're pretending to think it is now. What influence have I had to inject in this game that I needed to? I just have a good time chatting through things with people and point things out occasionally and that's all that's been required of me. You can see the thought processes behind what I'm writing as clear as day. Did you look into why I decided to make a post about trfel? No. Your case is so surface level it's insane. You're not paying attention to my motivations and that's extremely uncharacteristic and uncharitable and I think you're just trying to hammer home any point you can for the sake of it. Think about it from my point of view of sandroba progression, admitting that sandroba is starting to look a lot better, acknowledging points sandro made about trfel finally and reading back DPs filter to determine what he thought because he was also trfel focused. Want to get to the bottom of trfel because he's a key slot that needs solving and coming out with what I said. If you read Trfel's filter what would your conclusion be? If you read through my post what points did I specifically raise that you think should have swayed me further? You look at one line out of hundreds and incorrectly summarise the thought I put in throughout and try and whittle it down to nothingness. That's not town rayn imo. Se all what you are saying here about your Trfel case is fine. But that's not the case you made. You made a case that said idk what Trfel is. If you made this case back then then it would be fine. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On December 11 2023 04:18 Holyflare wrote: Oh I think I see what you're saying. You should look at the timestamps of Palmar's reply because it is not when you think it is. 2 hours ago is not anything near to when I said I read and it most certainly isn't the beginning of the game or his filter like you're saying it is. This is not an answer to what i said. Or if it is, it's a bad one. After that you started deflecting from the subject. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On December 16 2023 03:51 Holyflare wrote: You can see the thought processes behind what I'm writing as clear as day. Did you look into why I decided to make a post about trfel? No. Your case is so surface level it's insane. You're not paying attention to my motivations and that's extremely uncharacteristic and uncharitable and I think you're just trying to hammer home any point you can for the sake of it. Think about it from my point of view of sandroba progression, admitting that sandroba is starting to look a lot better, acknowledging points sandro made about trfel finally and reading back DPs filter to determine what he thought because he was also trfel focused. Want to get to the bottom of trfel because he's a key slot that needs solving and coming out with what I said. I can vaguely see the thought process reading your filter p6-7. It's nothing you couldn't have done as mafia, especially if sandroba is town. Also it's still very bleh.. It's still no read into vote because sandroba looks better because of ??? into vote on sandroba because of "trfel wagon looks bad". | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On December 16 2023 04:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Your "thought process" on my original case was exactly this This is not an answer to what i said. Or if it is, it's a bad one. After that you started deflecting from the subject. I don't think this is true but if it is it's because I know there's literally nothing to say to you at that point that would make you think otherwise because it's impossible to work with you when you've drawn a conclusion as either alignment. There was literally no avenue where you offered an explanation for me being town (the correct decision) and instead you just shut down my correct line of thought and never interacted with me again. Which is particularly why I think you are mafia, you have never bothered once to show to people after that interaction what other things I have done that are mafia-like, you haven't questioned whether you've been wrong and you most certainly haven't appeared in the thread to ever evaluate anything you've thought about me. We can see that because it's literally the first time you've apparently opened my filter just now to try and point out things to people. Even after I've pointed out one of the three wishy-washy posts wasn't actually wishy washy, it was a town read on trfel you haven't admitted you were wrong or backed down in the slightest. Your inability to re-evaluate is IMO a definitive mafia trait of yours. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
------(1)------------(2)-----> at (1) rayn questions sandroba at (2) Palmar makes his first post Holyflare, you voted for me after that. You were asked for your reasoning. You said one of the reasons was my town read on Palmar. Now this makes it clear you have read until (2). We discuss this further, and it becomes apparent you have not processed anything i have written properly enough to even realise i am at point (1) questioning (with my only relevant post in the game atm) your scumread sandroba. I call you out saying you cannot have thought about my posts properly, because you haven't even read me questioning your scumread sandroba (backed up by your own words). To which you answer "oh i just wanted to get a vote down" and some other shit. But this doesn't make any sense because you already had made a thought process on voting rayn, which you disclosed before. I understand i am not very good at english or not very good at explaining my shit, but this doesn't make any sense. None of the answers make any sense with what actually happened, and what actually should have been the thought process if anything was true. It's annoying people can't even understand this. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On December 16 2023 04:40 sandroba wrote: Well, you are both hard to pin down as mafia, I'll give you that. Rayn posting here feels towny to me. I'll probably have to resort to reading some old games (which I'm dreading atm) to try to figure out who is capable of what as mafia. If i am mafia i am never ever in this situation right here right now. I'm only in this situation here because i say and do what i think is right, and not what i know town wants to hear. Let that be known. | ||
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