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On December 16 2023 07:17 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2023 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 16 2023 07:12 sandroba wrote:On December 16 2023 06:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 16 2023 06:50 sandroba wrote:
My point here is that Rayn did not help thread sentiment go against Chezinu, which detracts a bit from the fact that he did contribute to the lynch. you realize i thought you are mafia as well? Yes, I'm not saying you are auto mafia for doing it - just saying the way you did it does not make you auto town, even if there is a plausible narrative here so why are you saying i am mafia then? The reasons I thought you were mafia was due to not commenting on anything relevant D2, coupled with the throw away vote on Chezinu. But I've come around since then based on recent posting tbh. Like after the flip I was like 90% on you, now I'm like 25%
Why is it a throw away vote?
Also i don't really see why i have to comment on all the shit that's being going on, when it was basically same stuff D1, just different conclusions (on Trfel -- like people decided Trfel is now scummy like in spot of Vivax, nothing else changed pretty much)?
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On December 16 2023 07:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2023 07:17 sandroba wrote:On December 16 2023 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 16 2023 07:12 sandroba wrote:On December 16 2023 06:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 16 2023 06:50 sandroba wrote:
My point here is that Rayn did not help thread sentiment go against Chezinu, which detracts a bit from the fact that he did contribute to the lynch. you realize i thought you are mafia as well? Yes, I'm not saying you are auto mafia for doing it - just saying the way you did it does not make you auto town, even if there is a plausible narrative here so why are you saying i am mafia then? The reasons I thought you were mafia was due to not commenting on anything relevant D2, coupled with the throw away vote on Chezinu. But I've come around since then based on recent posting tbh. Like after the flip I was like 90% on you, now I'm like 25% Why is it a throw away vote? Also i don't really see why i have to comment on all the shit that's being going on, when it was basically same stuff D1, just different conclusions (on Trfel -- like people decided Trfel is now scummy like in spot of Vivax, nothing else changed pretty much)?
I explained that already from my perspective, you put the vote on Chez and did not try to push him.
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On December 16 2023 07:14 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2023 07:10 Holyflare wrote:
Am I misremembering something? I don't think Rayn's vote was before the marv stuff was it?
Regardless I don't think sandro gets lynched there either way before that still. You can believe it or not it's my opinion. You are. At the point Rayn voted I still thought I would likely be the lynch. Only after when marv switched I thought there was hope.
You are going by pure vote analysis and I think that's wrong. You were correct I misremembered the timings though. I just reread like page 92 (or wherever palmar talks about what you talked about in your chat) to just when rayn voted and it's extremely obvious chez is going to die and not you imo. You were on fire smashing marv and palmar and none of them engaged on revealing more elaborated points on you.
You trfel slam and then even koshi said chez was a good lynch. Koshi was warming up to it. Rayn's entry is really fucking weird still imo and very jarring given what's going on because he just interjects himself right at the part where it becomes an inevitability to me.
His explanation of it being a reaction test kind of weakly adds up though so it is what it is. Felt really disgusting at the time though.
Palmar and marv look really bad in these interactions, although I get more of a feeling that marv was just baited by a mafia palmar than maliciousness.
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On December 16 2023 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2023 07:10 Holyflare wrote:
Regardless I don't think sandro gets lynched there either way before that still. You can believe it or not it's my opinion. You have to elaborate on this. Because if i had put my vote on sandroba (5-3), and Chezinu (obviously) votes for sandroba (now let's assume i am mafia and Chezinu is mafia), the vote is (6-3). Maybe you can say that sandroba is not getting lynched, but that doesn't happen without an event that we don't know about, like marv's. Which is why i said i think marv's vote might have solved the game for me.  Because this line of arguing is just simply not reasonable. You're basically telling i voted for Chezinu because i knew Chezinu is gonna get lynched before an event that i have no way of knowing of happens.
I am telling you that because I can see the events unfolding yes. I really don't think anyone reading should have been going for sandro at that point in time and it's insanely obvious to me where sentiment was going. Marv's event is completely irrelevant to the situation imo.
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On December 16 2023 07:25 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2023 07:14 sandroba wrote:On December 16 2023 07:10 Holyflare wrote:
Am I misremembering something? I don't think Rayn's vote was before the marv stuff was it?
Regardless I don't think sandro gets lynched there either way before that still. You can believe it or not it's my opinion. You are. At the point Rayn voted I still thought I would likely be the lynch. Only after when marv switched I thought there was hope. You are going by pure vote analysis and I think that's wrong. You were correct I misremembered the timings though. I just reread like page 92 (or wherever palmar talks about what you talked about in your chat) to just when rayn voted and it's extremely obvious chez is going to die and not you imo. You were on fire smashing marv and palmar and none of them engaged on revealing more elaborated points on you.You trfel slam and then even koshi said chez was a good lynch. Koshi was warming up to it. Rayn's entry is really fucking weird still imo and very jarring given what's going on because he just interjects himself right at the part where it becomes an inevitability to me. His explanation of it being a reaction test kind of weakly adds up though so it is what it is. Felt really disgusting at the time though. Palmar and marv look really bad in these interactions, although I get more of a feeling that marv was just baited by a mafia palmar than maliciousness.
I'm not going by pure vote analysis at all.
Didn't feel like that at all since nobody was saying that in the thread. Maybe for you reading the thread it felt like that, but people were not voicing that opinion at that point.
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On December 16 2023 07:25 Holyflare wrote:
[...]just when rayn voted and it's extremely obvious chez is going to die and not you imo.
wow
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On December 16 2023 07:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2023 07:17 sandroba wrote:On December 16 2023 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 16 2023 07:12 sandroba wrote:On December 16 2023 06:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 16 2023 06:50 sandroba wrote:
My point here is that Rayn did not help thread sentiment go against Chezinu, which detracts a bit from the fact that he did contribute to the lynch. you realize i thought you are mafia as well? Yes, I'm not saying you are auto mafia for doing it - just saying the way you did it does not make you auto town, even if there is a plausible narrative here so why are you saying i am mafia then? The reasons I thought you were mafia was due to not commenting on anything relevant D2, coupled with the throw away vote on Chezinu. But I've come around since then based on recent posting tbh. Like after the flip I was like 90% on you, now I'm like 25% Why is it a throw away vote? Also i don't really see why i have to comment on all the shit that's being going on, when it was basically same stuff D1, just different conclusions (on Trfel -- like people decided Trfel is now scummy like in spot of Vivax, nothing else changed pretty much)?
Sandro getting masoned, palmar explaining the mason logs and sandro disputing it and arguing with palmar and marv for pages and then you saying sandro was still mafia with chez and me seemed extremely ludicrous. You should have commented on the mason stuff because that's how the game works, you talk about your opinion on information so we make more informed decisions. I found it really unbelievable you said the team was sandro/hf/chez when I pointed out that chez was like 100% mafia, highlighted the connection about sandro and chez and you made no reference to that and ignored koshi and slam when they mentioned it to you.
It seemed heavily like you were bussing the soon to be chez wagon.
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Koshi would you have voted for Chezinu if marv didn't vote?
marv would you have voted for Chezinu if your event didn't happen?
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On December 16 2023 07:31 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2023 07:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 16 2023 07:17 sandroba wrote:On December 16 2023 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 16 2023 07:12 sandroba wrote:On December 16 2023 06:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 16 2023 06:50 sandroba wrote:
My point here is that Rayn did not help thread sentiment go against Chezinu, which detracts a bit from the fact that he did contribute to the lynch. you realize i thought you are mafia as well? Yes, I'm not saying you are auto mafia for doing it - just saying the way you did it does not make you auto town, even if there is a plausible narrative here so why are you saying i am mafia then? The reasons I thought you were mafia was due to not commenting on anything relevant D2, coupled with the throw away vote on Chezinu. But I've come around since then based on recent posting tbh. Like after the flip I was like 90% on you, now I'm like 25% Why is it a throw away vote? Also i don't really see why i have to comment on all the shit that's being going on, when it was basically same stuff D1, just different conclusions (on Trfel -- like people decided Trfel is now scummy like in spot of Vivax, nothing else changed pretty much)? Sandro getting masoned, palmar explaining the mason logs and sandro disputing it and arguing with palmar and marv for pages and then you saying sandro was still mafia with chez and me seemed extremely ludicrous. You should have commented on the mason stuff because that's how the game works, you talk about your opinion on information so we make more informed decisions. I found it really unbelievable you said the team was sandro/hf/chez when I pointed out that chez was like 100% mafia, highlighted the connection about sandro and chez and you made no reference to that and ignored koshi and slam when they mentioned it to you. It seemed heavily like you were bussing the soon to be chez wagon.
actually you with sandro and chez didn't make sense to me, which is why i swapped sandra for trfel at the time.
now, idk... maybe it should have made sense to me based on what you're saying right now lol.
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On December 16 2023 07:29 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2023 07:25 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2023 07:14 sandroba wrote:On December 16 2023 07:10 Holyflare wrote:
Am I misremembering something? I don't think Rayn's vote was before the marv stuff was it?
Regardless I don't think sandro gets lynched there either way before that still. You can believe it or not it's my opinion. You are. At the point Rayn voted I still thought I would likely be the lynch. Only after when marv switched I thought there was hope. You are going by pure vote analysis and I think that's wrong. You were correct I misremembered the timings though. I just reread like page 92 (or wherever palmar talks about what you talked about in your chat) to just when rayn voted and it's extremely obvious chez is going to die and not you imo. You were on fire smashing marv and palmar and none of them engaged on revealing more elaborated points on you.You trfel slam and then even koshi said chez was a good lynch. Koshi was warming up to it. Rayn's entry is really fucking weird still imo and very jarring given what's going on because he just interjects himself right at the part where it becomes an inevitability to me. His explanation of it being a reaction test kind of weakly adds up though so it is what it is. Felt really disgusting at the time though. Palmar and marv look really bad in these interactions, although I get more of a feeling that marv was just baited by a mafia palmar than maliciousness. I'm not going by pure vote analysis at all. Didn't feel like that at all since nobody was saying that in the thread. Maybe for you reading the thread it felt like that, but people were not voicing that opinion at that point.
I think you should reread it because they are. Trfel koshi you, the last thing I said was chez 100% mafia, slam pushing it. The momentum is all there.
Who is pushing for your lynch? Marv, palmar and that's it. Palmar is discredited by multiple people and not many were listening to marv.
It might not have felt like it to you because you were in the weeds duking it out with them but it's very obvious on a reread as a third party to the discussion.
All these people are voicing that opinion on chez btw.
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On December 16 2023 07:21 Palmar wrote:
This is all very exciting
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On December 15 2023 00:16 Koshi wrote:@Slam: Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 02:37 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2023 05:27 Chezinu wrote:On December 11 2023 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 05:07 sandroba wrote:
I understand your point about feigning certainty as a strategy but fail to see how that makes me suspicious still. Are you saying that although my post had good observations and moved the game in a pro-town manner because I didn't do it like you would have done it is suspicious? Not sure I buy that completely from your perspective.
Definitely not something to hinge a whole narrative on and derive reads from. Especially when your own post is full of tentative language and demonstrations of uncertainty regarding palmar's posts. I think you should start raising suspicions, or at least having reads, in case you're town, but then again i don't know if i need to tell you this. People suspect you, if you're town, get over it, stop defending and start producing something of substance (because people suspect you as you don't produce anything of substance -- right or wrong) If you need help sandroba, you can read my posts to learn how to have people not think you post nothing of substance. + Show Spoiler + Noting this post because it's the first one where Chez breaks character and it's rayn talking about Sandroba doing nothing and deflecting. What do you make of this point HF made? Is it something mafia Chez would do?
On December 15 2023 01:01 Koshi wrote:
Damn. I am all up for that tbh.
On December 15 2023 01:01 Koshi wrote:
Marv should we switch? There is no way this is mafia slam and sandroba doing this right?
On December 15 2023 01:03 Koshi wrote:
I can't believe slam is mafia.
Chez is liability.
Sandroba/Chez still possible.
Sandroba is posting so extra day isnt that bad.
If this is someone looking like they're going to stay on sandroba then we can end this convo here lol
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On December 16 2023 07:37 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2023 00:16 Koshi wrote:@Slam: On December 12 2023 02:37 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2023 05:27 Chezinu wrote:On December 11 2023 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 05:07 sandroba wrote:
I understand your point about feigning certainty as a strategy but fail to see how that makes me suspicious still. Are you saying that although my post had good observations and moved the game in a pro-town manner because I didn't do it like you would have done it is suspicious? Not sure I buy that completely from your perspective.
Definitely not something to hinge a whole narrative on and derive reads from. Especially when your own post is full of tentative language and demonstrations of uncertainty regarding palmar's posts. I think you should start raising suspicions, or at least having reads, in case you're town, but then again i don't know if i need to tell you this. People suspect you, if you're town, get over it, stop defending and start producing something of substance (because people suspect you as you don't produce anything of substance -- right or wrong) If you need help sandroba, you can read my posts to learn how to have people not think you post nothing of substance. + Show Spoiler + Noting this post because it's the first one where Chez breaks character and it's rayn talking about Sandroba doing nothing and deflecting. What do you make of this point HF made? Is it something mafia Chez would do? Show nested quote +On December 15 2023 01:01 Koshi wrote:
Marv should we switch? There is no way this is mafia slam and sandroba doing this right? Show nested quote +On December 15 2023 01:03 Koshi wrote:
I can't believe slam is mafia.
Chez is liability.
Sandroba/Chez still possible.
Sandroba is posting so extra day isnt that bad. If this is someone looking like they're going to stay on sandroba then we can end this convo here lol
It definitely looked like that after i voted, until marv voted.
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Palmar in the sandro exchange and chez stuff is very obvious mafia. Gg.
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Koshi can talk for himself though.
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On December 16 2023 07:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2023 07:37 Holyflare wrote:On December 15 2023 00:16 Koshi wrote:@Slam: On December 12 2023 02:37 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2023 05:27 Chezinu wrote:On December 11 2023 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 05:07 sandroba wrote:
I understand your point about feigning certainty as a strategy but fail to see how that makes me suspicious still. Are you saying that although my post had good observations and moved the game in a pro-town manner because I didn't do it like you would have done it is suspicious? Not sure I buy that completely from your perspective.
Definitely not something to hinge a whole narrative on and derive reads from. Especially when your own post is full of tentative language and demonstrations of uncertainty regarding palmar's posts. I think you should start raising suspicions, or at least having reads, in case you're town, but then again i don't know if i need to tell you this. People suspect you, if you're town, get over it, stop defending and start producing something of substance (because people suspect you as you don't produce anything of substance -- right or wrong) If you need help sandroba, you can read my posts to learn how to have people not think you post nothing of substance. + Show Spoiler + Noting this post because it's the first one where Chez breaks character and it's rayn talking about Sandroba doing nothing and deflecting. What do you make of this point HF made? Is it something mafia Chez would do? On December 15 2023 01:01 Koshi wrote:
Damn. I am all up for that tbh. On December 15 2023 01:01 Koshi wrote:
Marv should we switch? There is no way this is mafia slam and sandroba doing this right? On December 15 2023 01:03 Koshi wrote:
I can't believe slam is mafia.
Chez is liability.
Sandroba/Chez still possible.
Sandroba is posting so extra day isnt that bad. If this is someone looking like they're going to stay on sandroba then we can end this convo here lol It definitely looked like that after i voted, until marv voted.
Ya but this convo isn't about that it's about what it looked like when you placed your vote and the mindset of people at the time. Can you see why my thought process is that your vote looks like a bus?
Can you see why koshi thinks your vote is weird etc. All very clear to me.
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On December 16 2023 07:43 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2023 07:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 16 2023 07:37 Holyflare wrote:On December 15 2023 00:16 Koshi wrote:@Slam: On December 12 2023 02:37 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2023 05:27 Chezinu wrote:On December 11 2023 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 05:07 sandroba wrote:
I understand your point about feigning certainty as a strategy but fail to see how that makes me suspicious still. Are you saying that although my post had good observations and moved the game in a pro-town manner because I didn't do it like you would have done it is suspicious? Not sure I buy that completely from your perspective.
Definitely not something to hinge a whole narrative on and derive reads from. Especially when your own post is full of tentative language and demonstrations of uncertainty regarding palmar's posts. I think you should start raising suspicions, or at least having reads, in case you're town, but then again i don't know if i need to tell you this. People suspect you, if you're town, get over it, stop defending and start producing something of substance (because people suspect you as you don't produce anything of substance -- right or wrong) If you need help sandroba, you can read my posts to learn how to have people not think you post nothing of substance. + Show Spoiler + Noting this post because it's the first one where Chez breaks character and it's rayn talking about Sandroba doing nothing and deflecting. What do you make of this point HF made? Is it something mafia Chez would do? On December 15 2023 01:01 Koshi wrote:
Damn. I am all up for that tbh. On December 15 2023 01:01 Koshi wrote:
Marv should we switch? There is no way this is mafia slam and sandroba doing this right? On December 15 2023 01:03 Koshi wrote:
I can't believe slam is mafia.
Chez is liability.
Sandroba/Chez still possible.
Sandroba is posting so extra day isnt that bad. If this is someone looking like they're going to stay on sandroba then we can end this convo here lol It definitely looked like that after i voted, until marv voted. Ya but this convo isn't about that it's about what it looked like when you placed your vote and the mindset of people at the time. Can you see why my thought process is that your vote looks like a bus? Can you see why koshi thinks your vote is weird etc. All very clear to me.
I can see that. I can even see it comes from a townie.
I just disagree, and i definitely didn't think that at the time. Because i also pay attention to what people do and what they would or wouldn't do, even when i am town. I didn't know what Koshi would do, but i definitely know NOW he wouldn't change, until marv.
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I mean i can see your thought process, and even why it is townie (regarding me being mafia).
Koshi can speak for himself.
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Yeah whether it's true or not is irrelevant to me I don't care about what could have been. I just want the situation to make sense from people's perspectives and discover who had a townie thought process and I think we've reached that.
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On December 16 2023 07:47 Holyflare wrote:
Yeah whether it's true or not is irrelevant to me I don't care about what could have been. I just want the situation to make sense from people's perspectives and discover who had a townie thought process and I think we've reached that.
I haven't really come that far, what's yours?
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