EPTThe wolves feel like they are in a comfortable position because I'm town here and the elim is getting directed to me. By pushing the thread into tunneling Copcake would create an atmosphere where wolves are able to sip martinis in peace as marvellosity and MZ get a pass.
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Vayoletta
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The wolves feel like they are in a comfortable position because I'm town here and the elim is getting directed to me. By pushing the thread into tunneling Copcake would create an atmosphere where wolves are able to sip martinis in peace as marvellosity and MZ get a pass. | ||
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On June 13 2023 10:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Alright let’s start with the NK’d townie who I wanted to lynch the fuck out of today -_- AND YES I KNOW NK WIFOM IS A THING PREEMPTING EVEYRONE REMINDING ME Spoiler for readability, here are Hapa's reads: + Show Spoiler + Hapa is green on slam: Here Doesn’t like me: Here Really doesn’t like me (he quotes my first post twice in two hours): Here Thinks Cake/DP is TownVTown maybe: Here LS is wishy washy town: Here Red on me and Chez: Here Waffling on me: Here Green on Slam, Rayn, Vivax, LS: Here Doesn’t want to lynch DP: Here Doesn’t want to lynch CopCake: Here Torn on me: Here Thinks DMB is a mislynch: Here Unknown on Chez, Marv, and Vayoletta: Here Red on TTT: Here +1’s the idea of a Vayoletta lynch: Here Not happy with a DP lynch: Here Settles on a DMB lynch Here Final vote for me: Here Both Hapa and I then make it clear we’re going to go after each other tomorrow. I was honestly floored he got NK’d. I was absolutely going to go after him for the DMB vote and the flipflop about vayoletta. I know I don’t have much thread presence but now that he’s flipped town it seems like it would have been a better scum play to let the two of us go after each other. So why did they kill him? I can think of three reasons: a) They wanted to frame me because he was the loudest voice calling me scum in the thread. I find this unlikely because nobody has really come out of the woods to push for my lynch today which honestly surprised me a bit b) They were blue hunting. Hapa didn’t have a super long filter but was clearly engaged with the game. Maybe scum thought he was blue trying not to draw attention to themselves. This is certainly a possibility. c) He had the scum team nailed. His scum list is me, TTT, Chez, and maybe Vayoletta. Now I know I’m town, so let’s see how many other people are calling the others scum. Just going to focus on Chez for now. a. Slam indirectly calls out Chez and says he’s sheeping Hapa b. Rayn votes for chez but unvoted well before the lynch and has since buddied him a bit c. I townread chez for a meta guess about chatGPT d. Not going to check DMB since she was dead e. Marv has one post saying he has no idea about chez’s alignment f. Vivax repeatedly calls chez unreadable and enigmatic and has buddied him a lot g. DarthPunk has Chez in his Green/Brown category h. Not gonna look through Chez about himself lol i. TTT says chez is cryptic/trolling/not playing the game j. Vayoletta has Chez listed as a PoE suspect k. CopCake simply says “chezinu… is chezinu” l. Hapa called Chez out multiple times m. LS says that Chez wasting his vote on Rayn is pretty bad Ok I have to be honest that took longer than I was expecting and I’m very surprised how few people have actually called out Chez. I wasn’t sure what I was going to find reading everyone’s filter to get their reads on him but I certainly wasn’t expecting Hapa to be the only person to directly call him out as scummy. LS is ironically the only other person who comes close (aside from Rayn's early vote). I’m going to post this now and start looking at how everyone has been reading TTT. I know a lot more people have at one point or another called him scum so I’m not expecting to learn as much. Bottom line, if Hapa got killed for being right on one of his reads, I think there’s a decent chance it was Chez... I guess I need to reread Chez now too fml. If you feel I have somehow misrepresented your read of chez feel free to throw spears and correct me. For what it's worth, I think Chez would fit with TTT quite well. If that's the world we're living in, the last wolf is currently someone sitting on my wagon. | ||
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Vayoletta
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On June 13 2023 11:15 DarthPunk wrote: I love terraforming mars. Have you played ark nova? It reminds me of it some how. Asking the real questions here. I have tried Ark Nova, but I have never finished it. I play it with my older brother who has small children, and we can only play it during their sleeping time. Not once have we managed to finish the game with that limited time. The game seems really cool though and it has an elegant design. | ||
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On June 14 2023 04:24 LightningStrike wrote: All caught up now I think TTT might of been my active mafia that was around EoD. Here was his closer to EoD lynch list: Notice that in his lynch list was 2 blues and a unknown and he didn't exactly push his prefered lynches at all EoD Also he lied about his lynch list given that he did had CopCake in his lynch list yet didn't list her in his post I just recently quoted. Also Does this feel to over top for anyone else? Along with all of that I did check his filter he not pushing his ideas as much as last game like Darth had mentioned when I talked to him about TTT. Feels like a mafia TTT this game over his last game. ##Vote: TannkTopTiger I was just reading that list too, and I'm wondering if it is ATE theatre. But then I'm wondering why TTT is not pivoting to vote me. I'm the easiest push for wolves here, and he completely ignores it. | ||
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On June 14 2023 00:50 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Thank fuck I felt like I was taking crazy pills for a bit. The way people call Vayoletta scummy then refuse to vote her reminds me of how LS skated along last game. Also I don't buy TTT's giving up post halfway through the day. I could very easily see a Vayoletta/TTT/Chez team at this point with all 3 of them attempting to soft bus each other to varying degrees. Tbh I also wondered at some point why I was not voted. The real answer for that is that wolves had no urgency and tunneling CC was a good way to direct town attention elsewhere. The real question you should ask is why I was becoming a wagon only after TTT flew too close to the sun and burned his wings. | ||
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On June 14 2023 04:33 LightningStrike wrote: Idk I never voted Marv when I had the chance last game to mislynch him as town could be that he is giving up? TTT could always pivot to me to live an extra day, but I think me flipping town after that would be a death sentence for TTT. I think TTT as wolf would benefit more by sacrificing himself now for the greater good and A) letting other players wagon me or B) getting himself flipped and having town waste the D3 by having me flipped. TTT must have been aware of the fact that both me and him are being partnered, yet he has not reacted to those allegations in a meaningful way - the way he has spoken so little about me even in his giving up message and the fact that he has not even attempted to fight the allegations of being a wolf with me nor shown concern about them is something I find he would not do as town. He is planning to sink like a Titanic and take me with him to have town waste D3. Killing me first would cause more suspicion on my wagon where at least one wolf is already hiding and would give the town more chance to re-evaluate the game on D3 instead of just chopping me with little discussion. This is where my mind is on the matter right now. As a sidenote I'm fully caught up. Still a bit hazy as I had to speedread a lot. | ||
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On June 14 2023 04:40 Vayoletta wrote: TTT could always pivot to me to live an extra day, but I think me flipping town after that would be a death sentence for TTT. I think TTT as wolf would benefit more by sacrificing himself now for the greater good and A) letting other players wagon me or B) getting himself flipped and having town waste the D3 by having me flipped. TTT must have been aware of the fact that both me and him are being partnered, yet he has not reacted to those allegations in a meaningful way - the way he has spoken so little about me even in his giving up message and the fact that he has not even attempted to fight the allegations of being a wolf with me nor shown concern about them is something I find he would not do as town. He is planning to sink like a Titanic and take me with him to have town waste D3. Killing me first would cause more suspicion on my wagon where at least one wolf is already hiding and would give the town more chance to re-evaluate the game on D3 instead of just chopping me with little discussion. This is where my mind is on the matter right now. As a sidenote I'm fully caught up. Still a bit hazy as I had to speedread a lot. What I'm trying to say here, the only world where TTT would not react to being paired with me and by being pushed on the basis that they fit with me is that they are wolf and I'm town. If we were w/w (which we aren't) or if TTT is town, they would have a reason to react that or to comment me in some way. The only world where they would comfortably disregard that is the world where he is wolf and I'm town, and that is outing to me. I hope this conveys my take here better. | ||
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Vayoletta
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On June 14 2023 04:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vay, i don't think rehashing the situation around you and TTT will help much, since you would say the exact same thing if you are mafia with TTT (distancing). I don't think you have many options other than that in case youre both mafia. If TTT is mafia, why - is there only one mafia in your wagon? - Why not two? It's not like anyone could blame anyone for voting you at the time they did.. - Who is the said mafia? General statements like "one of these 3-4 players is mafia" are not helping you atm. 1-2 on my wagon. Simply because I don't see a world where all of MZ/Vivax/Marvel are town. The scenario where I could see it being one is a world where TTT and Chez are both wolves, which I think could be possible. I'm not sure I see the same things in Vivax as you do - you have locktowned him. If I would rank the wolves from most likely to least likely, I would rank them MZ < Marvel <<<< Vivax. I do not consider Vivax a lock clear here. | ||
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I think the fact that he's pushing TTT above anyone else here makes him town. This is a minor thing, but rayn used a phrase where he said something about having a "biggest fear" regarding a team, and I think phrases like that would come more naturally from a town. | ||
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Vayoletta
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It's true that I became a wagon only after TTT stopped posting, but the timing of when I became a wagon does not matter. Reading early/mid D2 it was quite clear that I was becoming a wagon. Everyone expressed varying levels of suspicion towards me and if the D2 discussion would be inconclusive, the elim would likely just default to me. Tunneling and focusing on Copcake would have most likely resulted in that scenario. | ||
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On June 14 2023 06:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is MZ less likely to be mafia than marv? Is this to me? I ranked from most wolfy to least wolfy, so MZ is wolfier in that list. | ||
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On June 14 2023 06:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay then the other way around, why is marv more likely to be mafia than Vivax? You realise aside from marv's read on you and vice versa, you are both entertaining the same scum team (Chezinu + TTT)? Hapahauli's read on MZ makes him the clearest wolf on my wagon, but I do reckon that's wifom. I also think that Marvel voting me makes sense with his progression, so that also takes him above MZ here. | ||
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On June 14 2023 06:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes i can see that but why marv mafia over Vivax? Vivax does not feel paired with TTT here who is my biggest suspect due to his handling of me. I could be wrong on this read though. Why do you townread Vivax? | ||
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On June 14 2023 07:22 DarthPunk wrote: He has been focused on cupcake day one though when you were t a wagon so this still doesn’t make sense TTT has had opportunuties to take a broader look of the game multiple times, yet he has decided to tunnel CC again. Go and see how many times TTT has talked about me in his posts. Can’t tell a single example from the top of my mind. He has avoided talking about me even though he is heavily suspected to be w/w with me by quite many people. I don’t see the tunnel coming from town here. He’s hoping I get eliminated while he keeps his hands on CC tunnel to not look too involved - the idea of being paired with me is something that suits him and is the reason why he’d play like this as wolf. | ||
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On June 14 2023 07:37 DarthPunk wrote: What specifically did ttt do regarding you to move from light green, (seemingly your last position before the next post in which you voted him) to dark red? It’s not really what he did, but rather what he didn’t do - he has not shown any concern on people suspecting him and me being paired. His positioning in tunneling CC feels like a refuge for a wolf who expects me to go down in a landslide this EoD - a conclusion wolves could expect from the early/mid D2. | ||
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On June 14 2023 07:43 DarthPunk wrote: Is this the reason you scum read him? Cause he is not talking about you? He defended you from a mislynch if you are town. Does that not count. In his last post he talks about making you talk about how your reads are formed. That’s talking about you. And the more I dig into your reads the more I’m like ????? He defended me on D1, but like look at his behaviour on D2. Quote coming in next post as I’m on mobile. | ||
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On June 12 2023 12:42 TankTopTiger wrote: A bit disorganised at this point, reading through all the posts since #30 atm, I'm up to #53 so I'm biased towards happenings within that frame. I just spent a lot of time inside my head on you DP. Real spooky. I thought that a red DP would see the difference between DMB last game and this game, and know it meant blue. Then they could lead the mislynch, but have meta from previous game on leading mislynches. Bonus points for backing away from it at the last minute by reading them green (ad lib). But it was Rayn that pointed you in that direction, so that play doesn't work out unless redDP is very fortunate and just had this play fall into his lap (I don't think Rayn's suggestion was red at all). There were some other things. Your reactions have felt artificial twice to me - one was in response to CC, can't remember the other. You being onboard with policy feels irrational but I'm not actually sure on your position on that and WW may have softened you up. But overall it's too much reach, so I'm back to treating you as green based on the overall pro-townliness of your play. Your read on me is exactly what I would expect and I can't argue against it. I'm not as engaged in poor information environments. Rayn is green. LS is weird because I think he decided at the start of the game that he was going to play differently and so my main reason for giving him the benefit of the doubt feels artificial. Someone said at some point that he feels very in the moment and I agree with that. He also seems to come across as artificial whenever he thinks he should be providing an anger response (congruent with autism claim). So I sort of just want to leave him and see where he takes it for now. I still see CC as red. I don't really want to engage with her because she counter-tunnels and shits up the thread leaving everyone confused. I don't think there's anything she could say that would change my mind, but she also hasn't really done anything since that alleviates or intensifies my suspicion. The read is stale but it's still my firmest read. Overall, I think town have been eating town a lot, but also in many directions. This sort of environment is something I wanted at the start of the game (not the TvT thing, but the diversity of opinions thing as opposed to last game which felt sychophantic to me from many). This pushes me in the direction of thinking that mafia are more passive, so toward Vayo, Marv, and Slam. Like, this is the amount of attention TTT gives to me. Grouped up together with two other players. These players are because he’s ”pushed into direction of thinking wolves are more passive”. Even the worldly language here is vague and non-committing. He says he suspects me, but had very little reaction to being paired with me. TTT’s handling of me on D2 is not result of a towny agenda. | ||
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On June 14 2023 07:43 DarthPunk wrote: Have you played this game a lot Vayo? Yaas, especially live. Played games in Finnish like a long time ago. | ||
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Generally he is more active, but I don't think activity is alignment indicative for him. He strikes me as a person who wouldn't be "scared" to play as scum, while i have never seen him play scum.
