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On June 13 2023 02:42 marvellosity wrote:
I really thought DP had a good shot of being mafia for quite a while when reading, he seemed more ‘together’ than last game and I’d generally characterise that as him being more likely mafia than town.
But if he is maf he did an exceptionally good job at ‘caring’ about the lynch. Makes it a lot a lot less likely
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On June 13 2023 05:24 marvellosity wrote:
DP/Vivax - townreads to a lesser extent. I don’t really know what Vivax is on and my brain hurts, so likely town. DP has been the town leader (sort of in rayn’s absence a little), I didn’t understand why he was getting votes d1. Good play around the lynch. Read on Copcake feels genuine.
This has bothered me for ages.
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Yeah I don't think TTT is mafia here.
If he is he has thoroughly played me and props to him for being able to manipulate me that well.
He is pretty much off my lynch pool (que rayn rage in obs thread - whatever I have to do what I think)
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On June 15 2023 19:49 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2023 02:42 marvellosity wrote:
I really thought DP had a good shot of being mafia for quite a while when reading, he seemed more ‘together’ than last game and I’d generally characterise that as him being more likely mafia than town.
But if he is maf he did an exceptionally good job at ‘caring’ about the lynch. Makes it a lot a lot less likely 3 posts later... Show nested quote +On June 13 2023 05:24 marvellosity wrote:
DP/Vivax - townreads to a lesser extent. I don’t really know what Vivax is on and my brain hurts, so likely town. DP has been the town leader (sort of in rayn’s absence a little), I didn’t understand why he was getting votes d1. Good play around the lynch. Read on Copcake feels genuine. This has bothered me for ages. Fixed
Good point
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##vote: Marvellosity
I just can't see why he is not doing anything. I really tried to engage with him and I just haven't been able to. He just ignores questions, or invitations to participate.
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I can do marv, MZ, CC today.
LS perhaps with a counterclaim, I think I know one but I‘m respecting the time of their choosing.
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On June 13 2023 03:29 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2023 03:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:Whoever said MZ is town because he cared about the lynch, is not making a very good read. MZ's targets were LS and Vayoletta. We know Ls is like 99% blue, so unless MZ is mafia with Vayoletta, this is very safe thing to do to "look like caring" when noone is on the line from mafia team -- and multiple people had even said they are not up for policy lynch. On June 11 2023 10:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On June 11 2023 10:41 Hapahauli wrote:
I really dislike that this game is just a shadow of the previous game. Feels like i'm just missing half my brain. Well we've got 15 minutes, DMB, DP, Vayoletta, or LS. On June 11 2023 10:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On June 11 2023 10:42 TankTopTiger wrote:
Not gonna lie, having good town activity does actually make policy more appealing. But no I value the early information over it. If we policy, we're only getting the info mafia want us to have.
I am open to lynches on DMB, CC, and LS. Possibly Slam or Vivax too but unless someone makes a banger case in the next 10 minutes I'd have no conviction for it. I would rather policy. Worst thing that happens is Vayoletta flips town. If we don't policy, Vayoletta gets modkilled and we potentially mislynch a townie and lose 2 instead of worst case scenario 1. In between here LS claims. On June 11 2023 10:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
LS... sigh. OK doubling down on a policy now Now what is this?? His other lynch target drops a blue claim so he STARTS DOUBTING the only viable lynch in his mind ?????? Or is there something i am misreading in this post lol? You have stolen my thoughts on MZ around the lynch
This post where he agrees with a read by Rayn whose conclusion is based on Rayns misunderstanding of the phrase 'doubles down' and is therefore tragically wrong.
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Vivax, had votes on him D1, had a lot of people calling him scummy for forcing against CC, has been someone that within reason could be mislynched.
Hap was a player who rocks as town and sucks as mafia, so a default NK.
Rayne? Well... I can't pretend his kill was obvious, but he is a good NK. He's a strong player, and people shit-talking him for his arrogance over the NK makes the wifom delicious. His NK was never not on the table.
While DP gets credit from myself, Rayne, Marv, he does not get that credit from others to the same extent that Rayn or Marv do. He's also been clueless (as have we all) as town, but he was leading a clueless town and that makes NKing him less useful.
So to me, DP being alive makes sense at this point. Happy to revisit if he survives the next NK. But there is no reality in which I vote for him today.
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Day Three Vote Count
TankTopTiger (2): CopCake, DarthPunk, Alakaslam, Vivax
marvellosity (2): DarthPunk, Vivax
Meapak_Ziphh (1): Chezinu
Not Voting (4): Meapak_Ziphh, marvellosity, TankTopTiger, LightningStrike
With 2 votes, TankTopTiger is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Saturday, Jun 17 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
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On June 15 2023 06:05 marvellosity wrote:
rayn, most of my thinking about TTT was purely from the view of wagonomics (that’s definitely a word right?).
the only post that even mentions wagonomics for his thinking on TTT was this:
On June 14 2023 18:32 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2023 18:30 DarthPunk wrote:On June 14 2023 18:30 marvellosity wrote:On June 14 2023 18:28 DarthPunk wrote:On June 14 2023 18:26 marvellosity wrote:
I don’t know much about Vayo, but from this game alone it makes a bit more sense for mafia to want to lynch TTT than Vayo
I don’t think it’s much though I think the wagon is spread the only person suspect in my mind from vote switching day 2 is vivax. Which only really makes sense if TTT is maf Nah the switch back to Vayo to secure a town ! Ttt lynch. That assumes that mafia think TTT easier to lynch than Vayo?
Actually most of his thinking was based on reading his filter:
On June 14 2023 03:18 marvellosity wrote:rayn, I have just spent quite a bit of time in TTT’s filter, then I read your case at the end of it. I mentioned previously that TTT had disregarded information in the thread that contradicted his own tunnel. I went and found where it started to make it easier for you to check: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/609557-tl-endures-mafia?page=148#2942Essentially the history being that TTT thought he caught me in some sort of trap about what I said about LS sheeping me. He thought that I was talking about LS voting me, rather than following my vote on to DP in weak fashion. I posted my posts in thread to show this and he ignored it. Obviously it’s poor play to ignore evidence, but then again the direct evidence here is that a town TTT will ignore evidence. What makes it a little bit more difficult to stomach is that TTT does talk in his filter about learning from the tunnel on me, but makes the same ‘mistake’ (if that’s what it is) on CC. Just to touch on your point about the “twice as weird” thing again now I reread his filter and your case - the not-mafia explanation here is that he originally found CC’s read on you weird, rowed back on it after an explanation, then found it weird again with the information that CC tends not to read you as town. For me the strangest thing about his filter is the near obsession with DP; obviously they know each other irl so part of it must be that. But there’s a lot of dangling DP there as possibly mafia while consistently reading him town for not much other than ‘pro town’ posting. To me that doesn’t mesh very well compared to his nuts tunnel on me last game, I would have thought he would be more willing to interrogate his DP read, or otherwise have better reasons to read him town.
On June 14 2023 05:11 marvellosity wrote:
If I read TTT’s filter I can find more reasons for him to be town than Vayo. I don’t know if that means TTT is actually town but I do think he’s a worse lynch
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On June 15 2023 19:41 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax what do you think of cake?
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On June 15 2023 19:57 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2023 03:29 marvellosity wrote:On June 13 2023 03:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:Whoever said MZ is town because he cared about the lynch, is not making a very good read. MZ's targets were LS and Vayoletta. We know Ls is like 99% blue, so unless MZ is mafia with Vayoletta, this is very safe thing to do to "look like caring" when noone is on the line from mafia team -- and multiple people had even said they are not up for policy lynch. On June 11 2023 10:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On June 11 2023 10:41 Hapahauli wrote:
I really dislike that this game is just a shadow of the previous game. Feels like i'm just missing half my brain. Well we've got 15 minutes, DMB, DP, Vayoletta, or LS. On June 11 2023 10:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On June 11 2023 10:42 TankTopTiger wrote:
Not gonna lie, having good town activity does actually make policy more appealing. But no I value the early information over it. If we policy, we're only getting the info mafia want us to have.
I am open to lynches on DMB, CC, and LS. Possibly Slam or Vivax too but unless someone makes a banger case in the next 10 minutes I'd have no conviction for it. I would rather policy. Worst thing that happens is Vayoletta flips town. If we don't policy, Vayoletta gets modkilled and we potentially mislynch a townie and lose 2 instead of worst case scenario 1. In between here LS claims. On June 11 2023 10:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
LS... sigh. OK doubling down on a policy now Now what is this?? His other lynch target drops a blue claim so he STARTS DOUBTING the only viable lynch in his mind ?????? Or is there something i am misreading in this post lol? You have stolen my thoughts on MZ around the lynch This post where he agrees with a read by Rayn whose conclusion is based on Rayns misunderstanding of the phrase 'doubles down' and is therefore tragically wrong.
Can I just get clarification here?
+MZ had two reads: Vayo and LS.
+LS claims
+MZ doubles down on "policy lynching" Vayo, his other read
+Rayn misreads this as him abandoning his second read
+Marv thinks this is a good take
This is what happened? Because if it is, this is super solid.
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DP how am I town to you this very moment ?
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On June 15 2023 20:10 TankTopTiger wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2023 19:57 DarthPunk wrote:On June 13 2023 03:29 marvellosity wrote:On June 13 2023 03:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:Whoever said MZ is town because he cared about the lynch, is not making a very good read. MZ's targets were LS and Vayoletta. We know Ls is like 99% blue, so unless MZ is mafia with Vayoletta, this is very safe thing to do to "look like caring" when noone is on the line from mafia team -- and multiple people had even said they are not up for policy lynch. On June 11 2023 10:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On June 11 2023 10:41 Hapahauli wrote:
I really dislike that this game is just a shadow of the previous game. Feels like i'm just missing half my brain. Well we've got 15 minutes, DMB, DP, Vayoletta, or LS. On June 11 2023 10:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On June 11 2023 10:42 TankTopTiger wrote:
Not gonna lie, having good town activity does actually make policy more appealing. But no I value the early information over it. If we policy, we're only getting the info mafia want us to have.
I am open to lynches on DMB, CC, and LS. Possibly Slam or Vivax too but unless someone makes a banger case in the next 10 minutes I'd have no conviction for it. I would rather policy. Worst thing that happens is Vayoletta flips town. If we don't policy, Vayoletta gets modkilled and we potentially mislynch a townie and lose 2 instead of worst case scenario 1. In between here LS claims. On June 11 2023 10:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
LS... sigh. OK doubling down on a policy now Now what is this?? His other lynch target drops a blue claim so he STARTS DOUBTING the only viable lynch in his mind ?????? Or is there something i am misreading in this post lol? You have stolen my thoughts on MZ around the lynch This post where he agrees with a read by Rayn whose conclusion is based on Rayns misunderstanding of the phrase 'doubles down' and is therefore tragically wrong. Can I just get clarification here? +MZ had two reads: Vayo and LS. +LS claims +MZ doubles down on "policy lynching" Vayo, his other read +Rayn misreads this as him abandoning his second read +Marv thinks this is a good take This is what happened? Because if it is, this is super solid.
Yes that is what happened.
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On June 15 2023 20:10 DarthPunk wrote:
I said I‘d lynch her, she‘s in my PoE when I take Slam, Chez, TTT and probably, but not surely you out of the picks
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And I almost forgot about MZ, I could lim that too
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On June 15 2023 20:11 Vivax wrote:
DP how am I town to you this very moment ?
Honestly after your shit post I almost called you mafia.
but here is why I think you could be town now.
1.) you are supposed to be more afk as maf and your posting more now d3 with some space
2.) Rayn had you locked as town and now so does TTT
and the most important one that has caused me to lean town on you this game.
3.) you swapped off DMB really early when there was literally no reason to do so and it would be much much easier to play, do anything with DMB dead if you are maf.
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How are you this smart and this stupid at the same time DP? Between this and 3postslatergate you just killed him dead.
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This push on marv came out of nowhere but I‘m happy to ride along for the time being.
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Also you called Marv out early on avoiding/ignoring answering you. I have been quietly thinking about that ever since. And it's pretty much true and part of the reason I think he is mafia now.
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On June 15 2023 20:14 TankTopTiger wrote:
How are you this smart and this stupid at the same time DP? Between this and 3postslatergate you just killed him dead.
I needed to stop spamming for a bit and think.
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