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TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 15 2023 11:16 GMT
#2381
Like this is incredibly solid work. My only reservation is that you didn't slamdunk him the moment you read it but say it's been bothering you a while?

DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 15 2023 11:17 GMT
#2382
On June 15 2023 20:16 TankTopTiger wrote:
Like this is incredibly solid work. My only reservation is that you didn't slamdunk him the moment you read it but say it's been bothering you a while?



I was shook from the last mislynch. What else can I say, other than I wanted him to be town,
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 15 2023 11:19 GMT
#2383
On June 15 2023 20:14 Vivax wrote:
This push on marv came out of nowhere but I‘m happy to ride along for the time being.


Woah what possible reservations can you have? Why are you giving yourself outs this case is gold.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21975 Posts
June 15 2023 11:20 GMT
#2384
On June 15 2023 20:14 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2023 20:11 Vivax wrote:
DP how am I town to you this very moment ?


Honestly after your shit post I almost called you mafia.

but here is why I think you could be town now.

1.) you are supposed to be more afk as maf and your posting more now d3 with some space

2.) Rayn had you locked as town and now so does TTT

and the most important one that has caused me to lean town on you this game.

3.) you swapped off DMB really early when there was literally no reason to do so and it would be much much easier to play, do anything with DMB dead if you are maf.


No rebuttals.
I apologize for the shit post btw. It‘s literally that and I always write them in the expectation that everyone can read my mood. Like one where I want to get shat on and go from there.I just don‘t want it to escalate.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21975 Posts
June 15 2023 11:22 GMT
#2385
That‘s quite a mood right after waking up, admittedly.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 15 2023 11:25 GMT
#2386
I am catching up
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21975 Posts
June 15 2023 11:26 GMT
#2387
On June 15 2023 20:19 TankTopTiger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2023 20:14 Vivax wrote:
This push on marv came out of nowhere but I‘m happy to ride along for the time being.


Woah what possible reservations can you have? Why are you giving yourself outs this case is gold.


Can‘t wait to see what‘s inside.
If it‘s anything like me probably pet peeves.
If it‘s anything like you it‘s probably
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 15 2023 11:26 GMT
#2388
Has anyone played on a scum team with Marv?

Does he sort of take charge or let people play the game their own way? Is he the sort of scum that might encourage others to lurk tactically or anything like that?
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 15 2023 11:28 GMT
#2389
@CC
What do you think of DP's case on Marv? No need to catch up rn we have a golden opportunity to talk
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 15 2023 11:30 GMT
#2390
On June 14 2023 18:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2023 18:12 marvellosity wrote:
On June 14 2023 18:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
So Marv who's scum now, Chez? Maybe rayn? Hard to tell from your filter but I might be tired

Maybe and maybe, I haven’t read the lynch yet (work) but seems clear a reassessment needs to happen.

This is where I'm at right now but I'm slightly unsettled you don't have more.

But you did tall about your activity level pregame you're right. Sigh


This interaction is fake as fuck
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 15 2023 11:30 GMT
#2391
The case is two parts:

On June 15 2023 19:49 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2023 02:42 marvellosity wrote:
I really thought DP had a good shot of being mafia for quite a while when reading, he seemed more ‘together’ than last game and I’d generally characterise that as him being more likely mafia than town.

But if he is maf he did an exceptionally good job at ‘caring’ about the lynch. Makes it a lot a lot less likely



3 posts later...

Show nested quote +
On June 13 2023 05:24 marvellosity wrote:

DP/Vivax - townreads to a lesser extent. I don’t really know what Vivax is on and my brain hurts, so likely town. DP has been the town leader (sort of in rayn’s absence a little), I didn’t understand why he was getting votes d1. Good play around the lynch. Read on Copcake feels genuine.


This has bothered me for ages.

Fixed


On June 15 2023 19:57 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2023 03:29 marvellosity wrote:
On June 13 2023 03:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Whoever said MZ is town because he cared about the lynch, is not making a very good read. MZ's targets were LS and Vayoletta. We know Ls is like 99% blue, so unless MZ is mafia with Vayoletta, this is very safe thing to do to "look like caring" when noone is on the line from mafia team -- and multiple people had even said they are not up for policy lynch.

On June 11 2023 10:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On June 11 2023 10:41 Hapahauli wrote:
I really dislike that this game is just a shadow of the previous game. Feels like i'm just missing half my brain.

Well we've got 15 minutes, DMB, DP, Vayoletta, or LS.

On June 11 2023 10:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On June 11 2023 10:42 TankTopTiger wrote:
Not gonna lie, having good town activity does actually make policy more appealing. But no I value the early information over it. If we policy, we're only getting the info mafia want us to have.

I am open to lynches on DMB, CC, and LS. Possibly Slam or Vivax too but unless someone makes a banger case in the next 10 minutes I'd have no conviction for it.

I would rather policy. Worst thing that happens is Vayoletta flips town. If we don't policy, Vayoletta gets modkilled and we potentially mislynch a townie and lose 2 instead of worst case scenario 1.

In between here LS claims.
On June 11 2023 10:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
LS... sigh. OK doubling down on a policy now

Now what is this?? His other lynch target drops a blue claim so he STARTS DOUBTING the only viable lynch in his mind ?????? Or is there something i am misreading in this post lol?

You have stolen my thoughts on MZ around the lynch



This post where he agrees with a read by Rayn whose conclusion is based on Rayns misunderstanding of the phrase 'doubles down' and is therefore tragically wrong.


If you can give your thoughts hot off the press that could go a super long way.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 15 2023 11:32 GMT
#2392
there is a third part TTT
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 15 2023 11:35 GMT
#2393
On June 15 2023 20:30 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2023 18:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On June 14 2023 18:12 marvellosity wrote:
On June 14 2023 18:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
So Marv who's scum now, Chez? Maybe rayn? Hard to tell from your filter but I might be tired

Maybe and maybe, I haven’t read the lynch yet (work) but seems clear a reassessment needs to happen.

This is where I'm at right now but I'm slightly unsettled you don't have more.

But you did tall about your activity level pregame you're right. Sigh


This interaction is fake as fuck


It's also against how I see MZ as working. MZ is a strong independent woman who don't need no Marv.

Last game, he tried to lynch Marv D1 and that was based af. All of town were on Marvs dick for no reason but not MZ. Now MZ is cuddling up to him when Marv has been kinda absent. Why?
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 15 2023 11:35 GMT
#2394
Lol third part was bad or I didn't understand it.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 15 2023 11:37 GMT
#2395
Anyone town in thread who hasn't already, please look at DP's case and give thoughts asap. This is the #1 priority rn.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 15 2023 11:37 GMT
#2396
On June 15 2023 06:05 marvellosity wrote:
rayn, most of my thinking about TTT was purely from the view of wagonomics (that’s definitely a word right?).


the only post that even mentions wagonomics for his thinking on TTT was this:

On June 14 2023 18:32 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2023 18:30 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 14 2023 18:30 marvellosity wrote:
On June 14 2023 18:28 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 14 2023 18:26 marvellosity wrote:
I don’t know much about Vayo, but from this game alone it makes a bit more sense for mafia to want to lynch TTT than Vayo

I don’t think it’s much though


I think the wagon is spread the only person suspect in my mind from vote switching day 2 is vivax.

Which only really makes sense if TTT is maf


Nah the switch back to Vayo to secure a town ! Ttt lynch.

That assumes that mafia think TTT easier to lynch than Vayo?


Actually most of his thinking was based on reading his filter:


On June 14 2023 03:18 marvellosity wrote:
rayn, I have just spent quite a bit of time in TTT’s filter, then I read your case at the end of it. I mentioned previously that TTT had disregarded information in the thread that contradicted his own tunnel. I went and found where it started to make it easier for you to check: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/609557-tl-endures-mafia?page=148#2942

Essentially the history being that TTT thought he caught me in some sort of trap about what I said about LS sheeping me. He thought that I was talking about LS voting me, rather than following my vote on to DP in weak fashion. I posted my posts in thread to show this and he ignored it. Obviously it’s poor play to ignore evidence, but then again the direct evidence here is that a town TTT will ignore evidence. What makes it a little bit more difficult to stomach is that TTT does talk in his filter about learning from the tunnel on me, but makes the same ‘mistake’ (if that’s what it is) on CC.

Just to touch on your point about the “twice as weird” thing again now I reread his filter and your case - the not-mafia explanation here is that he originally found CC’s read on you weird, rowed back on it after an explanation, then found it weird again with the information that CC tends not to read you as town.

For me the strangest thing about his filter is the near obsession with DP; obviously they know each other irl so part of it must be that. But there’s a lot of dangling DP there as possibly mafia while consistently reading him town for not much other than ‘pro town’ posting. To me that doesn’t mesh very well compared to his nuts tunnel on me last game, I would have thought he would be more willing to interrogate his DP read, or otherwise have better reasons to read him town.



On June 14 2023 05:11 marvellosity wrote:
If I read TTT’s filter I can find more reasons for him to be town than Vayo. I don’t know if that means TTT is actually town but I do think he’s a worse lynch


He is saying to rayn that his thinking on you (maybe being town) was mostly due to the makeup of the wagons, but this is in fact not the case as he stated it was from reading your filters.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21975 Posts
June 15 2023 11:38 GMT
#2397
On June 15 2023 20:26 TankTopTiger wrote:
Has anyone played on a scum team with Marv?

Does he sort of take charge or let people play the game their own way? Is he the sort of scum that might encourage others to lurk tactically or anything like that?


He loves being the center of attention and I‘d like to give him that if he were around.

I‘d definitely want him to be around when I paint an elephant on my back and start pirouetting around in safari territory.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 15 2023 11:39 GMT
#2398
If marv is mafia he is probably more active in the mafia discord than in the thread would be my guess.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 15 2023 11:40 GMT
#2399
The problem with the case is the “but” of the last paragraph of first quoted post.

Does he mean he read DP later or he still has it at scum there?

I dont wanna be played by “missunderstanding” so I wanna be sure.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 15 2023 11:40 GMT
#2400
Has him*
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