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On May 29 2023 11:25 TankTopTiger wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2023 11:08 DarthPunk wrote:On May 29 2023 11:04 TankTopTiger wrote:
Am i wrong in thinking that connecto-cases this early tend to be bad?
Like, we only have VE, who played knowing there was a good chance he goes down early. He leaned into getting lynched. Trying to name the entire team before we unburrow a non-throwaway mafia seems like putting the cart before the horse.
What does PoE mean again? What are you referring to hear? I'm referring to talking about having a whole lineup of the scum team. You said Marv/MB/VE and LS said me/Marv/VE. To me this feels out of sequence, we should wait until we get a kill on a mafia who isn't playing around being caught before we try to dream up the entire scum team. Otherwise we're A) building cases on quicksand and B) choreographing our play so that scum knows who to fuck with.
It was in hypothetical situations with multiple flips.
Like LS asked if he flipped town, I said to LS if Slam and Chez flipped town.
its playing around with POE, nothing to see here basically aside form if in these hypotheticals your thinking aligns or not.
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Im down to lynch marv or LS, but I'd reather lynch marv first, because I am more certain about him than LS ( because I think Marv -VE- DMB could be a thing) and because I don't know if Ill be able to lynch him with less townies on the board cause its gonna be hard.
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On May 29 2023 11:23 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2023 11:20 LightningStrike wrote:On May 29 2023 11:16 Alakaslam wrote:On May 29 2023 11:04 LightningStrike wrote:
Well that NK point towards me.... At least I was right about my read on him. Why? I am not seeing how this NK implicates anyone, Rayn was so town it hurts and is the only one of us who has managed to actually catch scum Like the team would then just let him live? Pure WIFOM to think anything is implied by this NK other than "raynpelikoneet good" Let's see in his last will he did say to lynch me today. Y es I do know he is a good player but why did he not get killed Night 1 then? My god this is bad. Is Koshi not a good player? Look how easy it is do even a smiple NK anallysis of this Koshi suspected Marv during day 1 Died Night 1 Rayn suspected Marv during day 2 Died Night 2. Marv is generally a legit monster town player why did he not die night 1. Like, I don't even.....
Koshi in general doesn't die Night 1 over Rayn at least from what I remembered when both are town heck he flips his reads a bit more than Rayn does in general. Marv not dying Night 1 could set him up as a possible lynch or him being wrong? I guess idk man it's WIFOM. Maybe Rayn and Koshi were right and I was wrong about Marv?
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On May 29 2023 11:30 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2023 11:23 DarthPunk wrote:On May 29 2023 11:20 LightningStrike wrote:On May 29 2023 11:16 Alakaslam wrote:On May 29 2023 11:04 LightningStrike wrote:
Well that NK point towards me.... At least I was right about my read on him. Why? I am not seeing how this NK implicates anyone, Rayn was so town it hurts and is the only one of us who has managed to actually catch scum Like the team would then just let him live? Pure WIFOM to think anything is implied by this NK other than "raynpelikoneet good" Let's see in his last will he did say to lynch me today. Y es I do know he is a good player but why did he not get killed Night 1 then? My god this is bad. Is Koshi not a good player? Look how easy it is do even a smiple NK anallysis of this Koshi suspected Marv during day 1 Died Night 1 Rayn suspected Marv during day 2 Died Night 2. Marv is generally a legit monster town player why did he not die night 1. Like, I don't even..... Koshi in general doesn't die Night 1 over Rayn at least from what I remembered when both are town heck he flips his reads a bit more than Rayn does in general. Marv not dying Night 1 could set him up as a possible lynch or him being wrong? I guess idk man it's WIFOM. Maybe Rayn and Koshi were right and I was wrong about Marv?
Yes I know its WIFOM but you brought it up. I already stated ITT that I don't like to do NK analysis. I have fucked up multiple towns by not killing the obvious NK.
Im just trying to point out how bad and pointless that statement was.
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On May 29 2023 11:26 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2023 11:24 LightningStrike wrote:On May 29 2023 11:17 Alakaslam wrote:
The things that implicate you are constant lurking + list post from hell
I know that isn't much but in this particular game that is enough, combined with the gut read of Rayn Let's see I was pretty much absent all of Day 2 because of irl stuff which I posted. I not constantly lurking at all just replying to stuff and asking questions Night 2 and atm. Actually you did nothing much at all, your actions and your displayed emotions don;t mesh together and you start to be active as soon as you start to seriously get called out for it...
As if I can control my real life stuff........ Heck I did ask Grack if I could be replaced or modkilled incase I couldn't comeback to the game in the allotted time.
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Regarding Rayn being NKed night 1:
Kosh was mad AF and throwing fingers everywhere. Killing him creates opportunities for scum to martyr him for any one of his reads. Keep in mind, mafia could not have predicted that Koshi would vig MZ.
So as a mafia on day 1, I would be thinking that "if I kill Koshi, I get rid of a good player, I get casus belli for literally anyone on vivax's wagon AND on MZ. Furthermore if I'm Marv and I'm scum, I have also created a safe pocket for myself on the train that didn't lynch the doctor.
If I'm scuMarv, there is no way I NK Rayn, who is just my high-level bodyguard at this point, over Koshi who achieves everything I could ever want in an NK.
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Day three Vote Count
Marvellosity (2): TankTopTiger, DarthPunk
LightningStrike (1): Alakaslam
Not Voting (4) : Chezinu, LightningStrike, die_meatbaby, Marvellosity
With 2 votes, Marvellosity is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Wednesday, May 31 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
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LS you've had real life stuff, but that doesn't mean you have done stuff in this game. From the reader's perspective you are just a non-contributing player one way or another. You can't win on that front so don't bother arguing it.
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On May 29 2023 11:31 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2023 11:30 LightningStrike wrote:On May 29 2023 11:23 DarthPunk wrote:On May 29 2023 11:20 LightningStrike wrote:On May 29 2023 11:16 Alakaslam wrote:On May 29 2023 11:04 LightningStrike wrote:
Well that NK point towards me.... At least I was right about my read on him. Why? I am not seeing how this NK implicates anyone, Rayn was so town it hurts and is the only one of us who has managed to actually catch scum Like the team would then just let him live? Pure WIFOM to think anything is implied by this NK other than "raynpelikoneet good" Let's see in his last will he did say to lynch me today. Y es I do know he is a good player but why did he not get killed Night 1 then? My god this is bad. Is Koshi not a good player? Look how easy it is do even a smiple NK anallysis of this Koshi suspected Marv during day 1 Died Night 1 Rayn suspected Marv during day 2 Died Night 2. Marv is generally a legit monster town player why did he not die night 1. Like, I don't even..... Koshi in general doesn't die Night 1 over Rayn at least from what I remembered when both are town heck he flips his reads a bit more than Rayn does in general. Marv not dying Night 1 could set him up as a possible lynch or him being wrong? I guess idk man it's WIFOM. Maybe Rayn and Koshi were right and I was wrong about Marv? Yes I know its WIFOM but you brought it up. I already stated ITT that I don't like to do NK analysis. I have fucked up multiple towns by not killing the obvious NK. Im just trying to point out how bad and pointless that statement was.
Ya I will admit it being bad but hey it generated some discussion so not entirely pointless.
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On May 29 2023 11:35 TankTopTiger wrote:
LS you've had real life stuff, but that doesn't mean you have done stuff in this game. From the reader's perspective you are just a non-contributing player one way or another. You can't win on that front so don't bother arguing it.
I know and I am trying to contribute now that I can play.
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On May 29 2023 11:18 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2023 11:16 Alakaslam wrote:On May 29 2023 11:04 LightningStrike wrote:
Well that NK point towards me.... At least I was right about my read on him. Why? I am not seeing how this NK implicates anyone, Rayn was so town it hurts and is the only one of us who has managed to actually catch scum Like the team would then just let him live? Pure WIFOM to think anything is implied by this NK other than "raynpelikoneet good" Yeah this is right. What are your thoughts right now Slam? Your voting LS, but is it me or Marv afterwards?
Ugh...
I will cross that bridge when I come to it.
I don't know anymore tbh.
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On May 29 2023 11:38 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2023 11:18 DarthPunk wrote:On May 29 2023 11:16 Alakaslam wrote:On May 29 2023 11:04 LightningStrike wrote:
Well that NK point towards me.... At least I was right about my read on him. Why? I am not seeing how this NK implicates anyone, Rayn was so town it hurts and is the only one of us who has managed to actually catch scum Like the team would then just let him live? Pure WIFOM to think anything is implied by this NK other than "raynpelikoneet good" Yeah this is right. What are your thoughts right now Slam? Your voting LS, but is it me or Marv afterwards? Ugh... I will cross that bridge when I come to it. I don't know anymore tbh.
The problem is, when we kill LS then we still need to get the lynch between myself and marv, better to hash this out now.
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On May 29 2023 11:19 TankTopTiger wrote:
Well played Rayn. Thanks for the dump.
I'm parking a vote on Marv for all of the many reasons I've discussed at length. I simply cannot reconcile all the claims made about him carrying town with his actions. When I look at Rayn or Koshi, I got town vibes constantly. With DP, it's more complicated, because I know that he's insanely difficult to track as mafia. But for Marv, who is supposed to be the easiest town to spot, I see mostly evidence of him being mafia. Everything everyone has said about his meta indicates he should be a green read at this point if he is town but he's not even close. If you guys hold his town play in high regard like Koshi and Rayn demanded I do, then he's pretty clearly mafia at this point.
##vote: Marv
Ugh... see this is why my answer to DP's question is that I don't want to deal with it.
If I am pocketed. It could be by Chezinu OR Marv. I just...
Don't want to deal with it yet.
But if LS were to flip town I would flip tables. Or just deflate.
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On May 29 2023 11:37 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2023 11:35 TankTopTiger wrote:
LS you've had real life stuff, but that doesn't mean you have done stuff in this game. From the reader's perspective you are just a non-contributing player one way or another. You can't win on that front so don't bother arguing it. I know and I am trying to contribute now that I can play.
You have a 4 page filter, TTT has a four page filter.
TTT has caught scum and is a hard town read for almost everyone
LS is a ? at best and scum at worst.
Its not just your level of activity that is determining peoples read on you.
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FWIW LS I haven't even read the vast majority of your posts and your back and forths etc. You seem to constantly think you're under insane pressure but the only pressure I see on you is DP gently asking you questions, as if to gather the information for a potential future case.
If I were to guess, I'd say you probably see day 4 and if you don't there's not much you can do about it given your limited contribution. So plan around having a solid position that can be appraised day 4, so that (assuming you're town), you give us a solid chance not to mislynch you.
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On May 29 2023 11:20 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2023 11:16 Alakaslam wrote:On May 29 2023 11:04 LightningStrike wrote:
Well that NK point towards me.... At least I was right about my read on him. Why? I am not seeing how this NK implicates anyone, Rayn was so town it hurts and is the only one of us who has managed to actually catch scum Like the team would then just let him live? Pure WIFOM to think anything is implied by this NK other than "raynpelikoneet good" Let's see in his last will he did say to lynch me today. Yes I do know he is a good player but why did he not get killed Night 1 then?
They were busy killing Koshi,
But this is a decent point in another way. Who did Koshi sus?
That could hold good info on finding the remaining scum. Because Rayn is a strong player (imo stronger than Koshi) and so is marv; why Koshi first? Unless it was a total snipe?
Actually what the hell I need to read it myself.
These blues dying early makes me wonder if some serious vet power is the scum.
Maybe not LS after all if this yields something.
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On May 29 2023 11:23 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2023 11:20 LightningStrike wrote:On May 29 2023 11:16 Alakaslam wrote:On May 29 2023 11:04 LightningStrike wrote:
Well that NK point towards me.... At least I was right about my read on him. Why? I am not seeing how this NK implicates anyone, Rayn was so town it hurts and is the only one of us who has managed to actually catch scum Like the team would then just let him live? Pure WIFOM to think anything is implied by this NK other than "raynpelikoneet good" Let's see in his last will he did say to lynch me today. Y es I do know he is a good player but why did he not get killed Night 1 then? My god this is bad. Is Koshi not a good player? Look how easy it is do even a smiple NK anallysis of this Koshi suspected Marv during day 1 Died Night 1 Rayn suspected Marv during day 2 Died Night 2. Marv is generally a legit monster town player why did he not die night 1. Like, I don't even.....
LOL I say good and DP says trash for like the same reason
Probably because I didn't already sus Marv ok ##unvote
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DP I think you should allow them the room to breathe. This just causes them to have to keep returning to why they haven't contributed, rather than contributing.
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I need to filter Koshi before voting on that
Dammit I can be stupid
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On May 29 2023 11:43 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2023 11:37 LightningStrike wrote:On May 29 2023 11:35 TankTopTiger wrote:
LS you've had real life stuff, but that doesn't mean you have done stuff in this game. From the reader's perspective you are just a non-contributing player one way or another. You can't win on that front so don't bother arguing it. I know and I am trying to contribute now that I can play. You have a 4 page filter, TTT has a four page filter. TTT has caught scum and is a hard town read for almost everyone LS is a ? at best and scum at worst. Its not just your level of activity that is determining peoples read on you.
I know but it was partly why people said I was mafia though. I am just trying to solve game though atm just finding it difficult though atm.
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