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 I almost want to say Trfel is mafia but i really don't want to | ||
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On the other hand, i myself think Slam comes off as worst from eod. I am not ready to tell why yet, but i will at some point when it is relevant. My problem is that the "easiest" answer would be that Slam and FF are mafia but i don't think there is a world where they are mafia together so i am for sure missing something. | ||
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On November 26 2020 06:23 Vivax wrote: With the flip I might have to reconsider, but I didn't buy the argument that Grack was scum for things around his mayoral campaign. To me it seemed like an obvious shitpost. IE Hapa didn't respect the context which happens often to mafia when they look for reasons to point at someone. Why do you might have to reconsider as Grack didnt flip mafia? | ||
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On November 26 2020 06:16 Hapahauli wrote: I think Vivax looks the worst from the flurry of posting around the hours leading to the lynch. Can you elaborate more on this? | ||
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On November 26 2020 06:40 Alakaslam wrote: It was just so weird, they were off in their own corner and I saw no real particularly townie thing from them. Lots of good stuff, but scum can do good too. It’s how you swindle town. The problem i see here is that it should be quite clear why i decided to change my lynch preference, as i said so. After that you start thinking Hapa and Trfel are mafia, not TT anymore, who was btw one of the people who at least quickly jumped on Grack is mafia train. Like i would be totally fine with your eod if you started yelling me "look this super scummy TT is gonna make you change the lynch!!" but no, that's not what you did. Even though TT technically at least possibly played a role in that. Another thing is that you had no problem with me lynching FF while you didn't think he was the best lynch. Suddenly there was a big nono when i move to some other target that is STILL not your preferred lynch. | ||
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On November 26 2020 06:48 Alakaslam wrote: Think about this though. It’s NAI. If Grack were scum, that would implicate me. No it would implicate you MORE. It still may make you mafia because mafia often times react in completely retarded ways on something they dont expect to happen. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + joke  Or at least let this thought carry me throughout the game! It would be almost as glorious as being a time traveller that coudl actually time travel properly. I fucking blame greymist. | ||
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On November 26 2020 07:06 Hapahauli wrote: Regarding Slam: 1) His posting is so wildly different from his scum-game in Aperture that I find it difficult to believe he is mafia. As mafia, it almost seems like he's constantly fighting the guilt of being scum. He is much looser here. 2) His move to consolidate the town on Rayn by abandoning his candidacy is objectively pro-town. My reservations against Rayn aside, it was very important at that point in the game for town to focus and consolidate. I will be honest i dont really know what slam would or would not post as mafia, or why he would do that. But still, even if this looks like i am contradicting myself, to me it looks like he knew grack is gonna flip not mafia. I think that invalidates your point (2). Also what does that even matter if both me and trfel are town? one of us is gonna decide the lynch anyways and slam has very little to say in that. I guess we are both stuck with having meta as a layer of looking slam's / vivax's posts "objectively", if you know what i mean? | ||
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On November 26 2020 07:16 Hapahauli wrote: As for Vivax's actions here, it is more appropriate to consider the utility of what he is doing, especially since he is an experienced and capable town player. Here, his actions and posting are functionally useless, and his attempt to spread suspicion on several targets only hampers town's ability to consolidate on a lynch. Additionally, Vivax doesn't seem to have any reason to believe that Grack is town. Why is he hard-defending him to that degree? If Grack is null, he basically has the same chance of flipping mafia that any rando lurker lynch would have. Okay, at least on general level i agree for the first part. You might be right here. As for the second part i can think of townie answer but i am gonna let Vivax say his piece on this. | ||
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On November 26 2020 07:19 Hapahauli wrote: Problem is, you could justify lynching Slam in literally any game he plays if you only look at what he is "objectively" doing. Anyway, I am curious why you feel that Vivax's meta makes him very town here, given he had a relatively strong performance in his last scum game. Also, I don't get the sense that he is reading anything carefully. The way he played the end of Day 1 seems incredibly lazy. That's not true. For Slam. At least i don't think so. Because Vivax tends to disagree with everything i say and one of us tends to die early in case we are both town. I dont generally read his posts very carefully because they are not much of use to me. I kinda just look like if he looks like he is town or not. Also as i said, it's one game. I dont care if it is recent or not, but i have seen Vivax play mafia maybe 10 times if not more and one "irrationality" in pattern doesn't make a difference for me. That's what i do, especially D1. | ||
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On November 26 2020 07:22 Hapahauli wrote: Can you elaborate? I get that Slam posted an answer to your question, and then posted: ...but that doesn't mean that he assumed grack flipped town. He said he was surprised and thought he would flip town. I dont care if he answered me or not before he posted that. When a lynch happens, especially one that you're strongly against (or for), or look like you are, the first thing a townie does is go look at the flip and what it is (if you are not already F5'ing all the time). Then you start posting whatever you start posting after you see new information (unless youre mafia ofc, because you already knoew if it is a mafia flip or not). What Slam did didn't look like that for me. | ||
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When i asked you about your scumreads on Hapa and Trfel, why did you decide to answer me before looking at the flip? I mean like, if Grack had flipped mafia you should have said "i am dumb fuck me" and that is a reasonable answer. | ||
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On November 26 2020 07:32 Hapahauli wrote: I have a hard time with reads that attribute a "normal thought process" to Slam tbh. I dont think there is "normal thought process". I mean like i often times think this when i am town, i could probably make a case on anyone in this game if i was mafia, and i could make it look like "normal thought process" and probably out-argue pretty much everyone. That's also why i get annoyed about people thinking i am mafia because i am staying more calm. It's like... wtf... Noone can actually even read me properly i think, aside from maybe marv. | ||
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