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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 30 2020 00:40 GMT
#941
On November 30 2020 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2020 09:10 Hapahauli wrote:
I think it was very easily deduced from my posting about what blue role I was.

As for why I wasn't killed, two plausible reasons:
1) I basically afk'd for 3 days.
2) Why would you shoot the Mad Hatter if you believe he is likely to deliver KP on mafia (i.e. Vivax)?


Literally, whywould youbelieve you have a bomb on someone if you were rb'd N1?

Explain this then Hapa?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 30 2020 00:40 GMT
#942
On November 30 2020 09:16 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2020 09:10 Hapahauli wrote:
I think it was very easily deduced from my posting about what blue role I was.

As for why I wasn't killed, two plausible reasons:
1) I basically afk'd for 3 days.
2) Why would you shoot the Mad Hatter if you believe he is likely to deliver KP on mafia (i.e. Vivax)?
As for point 2, that requires mafia being extremely smart.... I don't know if mafia is that smart

I suppose they could have assumed that I would jailkeep you again, thus roleblocking you, but that seems risky.


All I am saying is that you can piece it together from my filter. What is the only role in the entire blue-list that cannot be used as mayor? It's not that hard to put together, and you don't have to be that smart to put it together.

Also, why wouldn't the assumption that I be "saved" again be unlikely from a mafia perspective?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 30 2020 00:42 GMT
#943
On November 30 2020 09:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2020 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 30 2020 09:10 Hapahauli wrote:
I think it was very easily deduced from my posting about what blue role I was.

As for why I wasn't killed, two plausible reasons:
1) I basically afk'd for 3 days.
2) Why would you shoot the Mad Hatter if you believe he is likely to deliver KP on mafia (i.e. Vivax)?


Literally, whywould youbelieve you have a bomb on someone if you were rb'd N1?

Explain this then Hapa?


You are misreading my post.

I do not believe I had any chance of killing Vivax on N1.

I'm saying that if you look at my filter objectively from the start of N2, who is my likely target for a bomb? I believe it is Vivax.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 30 2020 00:43 GMT
#944
On November 30 2020 09:37 Hapahauli wrote:

If mafia chooses not to roleblock me on N2, they are not going to shoot me, because from their perspective, I am still fairly likely (given my filter) to bomb Vivax, who I believe is mafia.


So you agree that mafia should have RB and Killed you?
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 30 2020 00:46 GMT
#945
And if you are going to say, well mafia didn't RB me D1 it was Trfel

Then who did the RB on Trfel?
I can take that responsibility.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 30 2020 00:46 GMT
#946
On November 30 2020 09:42 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2020 09:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 30 2020 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 30 2020 09:10 Hapahauli wrote:
I think it was very easily deduced from my posting about what blue role I was.

As for why I wasn't killed, two plausible reasons:
1) I basically afk'd for 3 days.
2) Why would you shoot the Mad Hatter if you believe he is likely to deliver KP on mafia (i.e. Vivax)?


Literally, whywould youbelieve you have a bomb on someone if you were rb'd N1?

Explain this then Hapa?


You are misreading my post.

I do not believe I had any chance of killing Vivax on N1.

I'm saying that if you look at my filter objectively from the start of N2, who is my likely target for a bomb? I believe it is Vivax.

no but you are saying this now:
Why would you shoot the Mad Hatter if you believe he is likely to deliver KP on mafia (i.e. Vivax)

As a thing why mafia wouldnt shoot you N2. And it makes no sense.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 30 2020 00:46 GMT
#947
On November 30 2020 09:43 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2020 09:37 Hapahauli wrote:

If mafia chooses not to roleblock me on N2, they are not going to shoot me, because from their perspective, I am still fairly likely (given my filter) to bomb Vivax, who I believe is mafia.


So you agree that mafia should have RB and Killed you?


I believe mafia had two reasonable plays:
1) They can RB/Kill me if they think I am difficult to lynch in MYLO;
2) If they think I'm not a "dangerous" blue role, they can try to snipe the bodyguard or another blue role.

Mafia know that I was JK'd N1. Would they risk shooting me knowing that I am a target for protection? I think not, but you be the judge.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 30 2020 00:47 GMT
#948
On November 30 2020 09:46 Tictock wrote:
And if you are going to say, well mafia didn't RB me D1 it was Trfel

Then who did the RB on Trfel?

Trfel is pretty much confirmed town here..
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 30 2020 00:48 GMT
#949
On November 30 2020 09:46 Tictock wrote:
And if you are going to say, well mafia didn't RB me D1 it was Trfel

Then who did the RB on Trfel?


Mafia Roleblocker obviously, unless another JK wants to claim.

If Mafia RB'd a VT on D1, that VT doesn't receive a notification.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 30 2020 00:48 GMT
#950
On November 30 2020 09:46 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2020 09:43 Tictock wrote:
On November 30 2020 09:37 Hapahauli wrote:

If mafia chooses not to roleblock me on N2, they are not going to shoot me, because from their perspective, I am still fairly likely (given my filter) to bomb Vivax, who I believe is mafia.


So you agree that mafia should have RB and Killed you?


I believe mafia had two reasonable plays:
1) They can RB/Kill me if they think I am difficult to lynch in MYLO;
2) If they think I'm not a "dangerous" blue role, they can try to snipe the bodyguard or another blue role.

Mafia know that I was JK'd N1. Would they risk shooting me knowing that I am a target for protection? I think not, but you be the judge.

Do you think mafia has no rb?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 30 2020 00:49 GMT
#951
i dont know what you think hapa ybut you said that and that's scummy as shit.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 30 2020 00:50 GMT
#952
On November 30 2020 09:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2020 09:42 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 30 2020 09:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 30 2020 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 30 2020 09:10 Hapahauli wrote:
I think it was very easily deduced from my posting about what blue role I was.

As for why I wasn't killed, two plausible reasons:
1) I basically afk'd for 3 days.
2) Why would you shoot the Mad Hatter if you believe he is likely to deliver KP on mafia (i.e. Vivax)?


Literally, whywould youbelieve you have a bomb on someone if you were rb'd N1?

Explain this then Hapa?


You are misreading my post.

I do not believe I had any chance of killing Vivax on N1.

I'm saying that if you look at my filter objectively from the start of N2, who is my likely target for a bomb? I believe it is Vivax.

no but you are saying this now:
Why would you shoot the Mad Hatter if you believe he is likely to deliver KP on mafia (i.e. Vivax)

As a thing why mafia wouldnt shoot you N2. And it makes no sense.

table for two on a tv tray
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 30 2020 00:51 GMT
#953
On November 30 2020 09:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2020 09:42 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 30 2020 09:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 30 2020 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 30 2020 09:10 Hapahauli wrote:
I think it was very easily deduced from my posting about what blue role I was.

As for why I wasn't killed, two plausible reasons:
1) I basically afk'd for 3 days.
2) Why would you shoot the Mad Hatter if you believe he is likely to deliver KP on mafia (i.e. Vivax)?


Literally, whywould youbelieve you have a bomb on someone if you were rb'd N1?

Explain this then Hapa?


You are misreading my post.

I do not believe I had any chance of killing Vivax on N1.

I'm saying that if you look at my filter objectively from the start of N2, who is my likely target for a bomb? I believe it is Vivax.

no but you are saying this now:
Why would you shoot the Mad Hatter if you believe he is likely to deliver KP on mafia (i.e. Vivax)

As a thing why mafia wouldnt shoot you N2. And it makes no sense.


Assume the following:
1) <Player> has posted suspicions on two players: Jock and Vivax.
2) Jock has died, leaving Vivax.
3) Vivax is mafia.
4) It is now N2, and mafia needs to decide on night actions.
5) Mafia has reason to believe that <Player> is a Mad Hatter.

As mafia, do you risk shooting <player>?

I'll admit, it relies on a lot of assumptions. I think the points re: Trfel's confirmed save on me N1 deterring a shot N2 is a much stronger argument.

But that's the "logic" behind my statement.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 30 2020 00:52 GMT
#954
No your defense relies on vivax being mafia or?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 30 2020 00:52 GMT
#955
So*
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 30 2020 00:53 GMT
#956
Rayn, you're asking a bunch of different questions in a string of disjointed posts. I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about right now, nor what is your train of though.

If you are actually interested in an answer, I have nothing to hide. Explain it in one post. Like I'm 5.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 30 2020 00:54 GMT
#957
Why do you assume Trfel is town blue?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 30 2020 00:56 GMT
#958
I have work in 4 hrs but i can do one more here so gogog hapa
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 30 2020 00:58 GMT
#959
On November 30 2020 09:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No your defense relies on vivax being mafia or?


I have no idea what I'm "defending" against, because it feels like I'm answering a moving target with questions on it.

I was asked roughly "why am I alive"? There are several plausible explanations:
1) I have not been active, therefore, mafia may not percieve me as a threat;
2) It was confirmed that I was JK'd Night 1. A mafia team (that doesn't include me) may feel very skittish about shooting into a target that was confirmed "saved" on N1, especially since the consequence of missing the shot means that town gets an extra mislynch. THIS IS PROBABLY WHY SHOCKEYY WAS SHOT, because there is no chance of him being saved.
3) If Vivax is mafia and mafia believes I'm a Mad Hatter, it's risky, since I spend a good majority of my filter attacking Vivax.

Honestly, ignore 3 and focus on 2.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 30 2020 01:00 GMT
#960
On November 30 2020 09:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do you assume Trfel is town blue?


My general profile of Trfel is as a pretty passive player. I believe that carries over into his scum-play.

I do not see a passive player making a fake claim like this. It is rife with unknowns and is not a "passive" play. From his perspective, he could very well be forcing himself into a binary "Trfel v hapa" lynch situation.
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