EPT[M][N] Holy Guardians - Cpt 3 - Page 54
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ShoCkeyy
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
1) Chez's quick and decisive bus of Trfel is what gave him a chance to win this game. I think this type of play has been lacking in TL of late. If your teammate isn't picking up the slack, there's no sense in going down with the sinking ship. 2) Best post of the game award goes to Rayn: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/560300-holy-guardians-cpt-3?page=18#348 On July 10 2020 00:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: ... Firstly, i have to say that i think there is no reason why Trfel's scumbuddy isn't possibly voting for him right now assuming Trfel is mafia. Votes on him (aside from me and maybe Chezinu?) are basically because he is inactive. That's easy to fix, Trfel just starts posting and you can take off the vote on your scumbuddy. No harm done. ... This is a very good assessment of D1 vote-count analysis. I am not sure why this post didn't get picked up more or discussed in Night 1. If it did, I do not think Chez would have escaped suspicion for as long as he did. 3) There is a growing "trend" in recent games on TL, wherein discussions are fairly unproductive 75% of the day, and then the town is forced to scramble for a lynch at the last minute. Often, the player who gets lynched is the person who puts up the least resistance. On D1, this worked reasonably well for town, since mafia-Trfel was inactive. On D3, it led to the lynch of the towniest player in the thread. I don't think it is an issue of activity... I think people are willing to be chatty overall. I think the problem is that players are trying to "chat with one another" without necessarily pushing for a larger objective. This creates conversations that are fairly meaningless from a game-development perspective. Rather than simply "chat", it is more important to create thread "events", which force players to react (and thereby reveal information about their alignments) rather than "converse" with someone to feel them out. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On July 18 2020 23:32 Jockmcplop wrote: But I'm contending with the possibility that he just did that to get chez to play ball with him. Chez seemed to be pretty transparently going for self preservation at the cost of everything yesterday and was putting his vote literally anywhere. Slam where are you?? Also a good post, and honorable mention for best post in the game. It is worth looking at the D3 and LYLO lynches in more detail. Observe which players were trying to lynch their reads, often at the expense of their own safety (townies), and which players were trying to blindly stay alive. Jock's post here is an accurate depiction of how Chez played. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7466 Posts
On July 20 2020 06:04 Hapahauli wrote: Also a good post, and honorable mention for best post in the game. It is worth looking at the D3 and LYLO lynches in more detail. Observe which players were trying to lynch their reads, often at the expense of their own safety (townies), and which players were trying to blindly stay alive. Jock's post here is an accurate depiction of how Chez played. I noticed that as well. Both slam and jock were suicidal townies. My defense was that I was saving Lucca Gallo Ricci. A goal greater than just a win-con.  I die, you die tactic doesn't work here. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On July 20 2020 06:04 Hapahauli wrote: Also a good post, and honorable mention for best post in the game. It is worth looking at the D3 and LYLO lynches in more detail. Observe which players were trying to lynch their reads, often at the expense of their own safety (townies), and which players were trying to blindly stay alive. Jock's post here is an accurate depiction of how Chez played. Ironically this is not even true. D3 chezinu votes for anyone because he is the main lynch target, as townie aswell. And jock was the player who did what you described. The only reason jock voted for me was because he didnt want to have a lylo with rayn + chezinu. This is laughably idiotic for three reasons. One. Chezinu was his top scumread. Two, he could have lynched chezinu instead of me. Three, I already said i wont vote for jock because gb makes terrible setups and it makes him town. Basically jock was the only player who did a scummy self-preservation vote and even did that wrong. But hey he got the lylo he wanted so i guess he is happy now!! I really like slam but i think if i choose to play again i am not gonna want to play a game with someone who just does random shit and kind of keeds to just be eliminated unless you want mafia to have +1 player in town... it's just not fun. I mean like slam simply just voted against everything he said before, all game long. LOL. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9834 Posts
On July 20 2020 19:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ironically this is not even true. D3 chezinu votes for anyone because he is the main lynch target, as townie aswell. And jock was the player who did what you described. The only reason jock voted for me was because he didnt want to have a lylo with rayn + chezinu. This is laughably idiotic for three reasons. One. Chezinu was his top scumread. Two, he vould have lynched chezinu instead of me. I already said i wont vote for jock because gb makes terrible setups and it makes hom town. Basically jock was the only player who did a scummy self-preservation vote and even did that wrong. But hey he got the lylo he wanted so i guess he is happy now!! I really like slam but i think if i choose to play again i am not gonna want to play a game with someone who just does random shit and kind of keeds to just be eliminated unless you want mafia to have +1 player in town... it's just not fun. I mean like slam simply just voted against everything he said before, all game long. LOL. hehe rayn's injured pride at getting mislynched won't even let someone else pay me a compliment! Charming. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Also i dont really care abot being lynched. If i did i would have probably voted for chezinu in any world. Sadly i didnt think he is mafia. I also find it more pleasing the game ended as it did than voting for chezinu because of the way D3 went. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On July 20 2020 22:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: It is not that, it's just that i dont see why chezinu wouldnt have voted like he did as town either. Well i dont really know if he WOULDNT have, but i know he SHOULDNT have, because its just stupid to lynch yourself lol.. Also i dont really care abot being lynched. If i did i would have probably voted for chezinu in any world. Sadly i didnt think he is mafia. I also find it more pleasing the game ended as it did than voting for chezinu because of the way D3 went. You are correct in a purely objective sense: it makes sense for a "townie" to do what he needs to do to survive. However, other town players (jock, VE, slam, etc.) were not purely "trying to survive" - they were pushing lynches, often by creating "binary" choices between themselves and their scumreads. These binary choices put the town players in serious danger. The actions by players who did this are strong town tells. Chez's play is absent of this. I raise the point of Chez's play to contrast it with how town players were acting, as opposed to calling Chez's play "scummy". Chez played objectively well, but nonethless, his play stands out. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7466 Posts
On July 21 2020 00:57 Hapahauli wrote: You are correct in a purely objective sense: it makes sense for a "townie" to do what he needs to do to survive. However, other town players (jock, VE, slam, etc.) were not purely "trying to survive" - they were pushing lynches, often by creating "binary" choices between themselves and their scumreads. These binary choices put the town players in serious danger. The actions by players who did this are strong town tells. Chez's play is absent of this. I raise the point of Chez's play to contrast it with how town players were acting, as opposed to calling Chez's play "scummy". Chez played objectively well, but nonethless, his play stands out. That's because I'm special!!! They said Lucca Gallo is going to be an apostle!! How could a good host lie? He was just playing games as I was almost lynched twice and saved at the last few minute. As you see, this experience has grown my faith. First I was tested and saved the last few minutes before the lynch making the prophecy of the host come true. But on the last day, the host waited until the last minute to send Slam to rescue me. I began to understand what was going on. I recalled the lessons of the animal balloons. Remember when the animal balloons were rekted? Lucca was questioning the potter on what he was doing. balloons were popping at the end. It seemed the potter had no idea what was going on. But then, with one balloon... He made the caterpillar come together. So, even though Lucca Gallo is filled with demons... I believe the host can restore him and even make him an apostle. Now, that is grace. He doesn't just save him from the demons. No, he makes him a powerful apostle. So to compare anyone's play to that of Chezinu, who is the chosen vessel to portray Lucca, doesn't seem to provide the best insight. Some have said that Chezinu is one of the most unreadable players on TL Mafia. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
Chezinu is one of the most unreadable players on TL Mafia. Chezinu barely posts, so yea. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On July 21 2020 00:57 Hapahauli wrote: You are correct in a purely objective sense: it makes sense for a "townie" to do what he needs to do to survive. However, other town players (jock, VE, slam, etc.) were not purely "trying to survive" - they were pushing lynches, often by creating "binary" choices between themselves and their scumreads. These binary choices put the town players in serious danger. The actions by players who did this are strong town tells. Chez's play is absent of this. I raise the point of Chez's play to contrast it with how town players were acting, as opposed to calling Chez's play "scummy". Chez played objectively well, but nonethless, his play stands out. I disagree here. Jock wanted to lynch Chezinu. He voted for me only after VE said he is considering voting for slam (which he never did so if jock had stayed on his vote it doesnt matter where slam AND Chezinu vote, his #1 scumread still gets lynched). I also think pushing these "binary choices" are actually scum motivated. It's easy to say this or that as mafia (hell people can even agree with it) to make way for yourself to vote for the two "scummiest" people without reasoning it better, because the "town" agrees. Also jock did it 100% wrong in the end, do you agree? Just read lol... Slam should have been lynched. Like really, D2 i wanted to lunch him when jock claimed but i convinced myself otherwise because shockeyy didnt vote for mafia D1 (when i thought he should have) and slam did. I dare to say even if you are sure slam is town you win in lylo lynching him over me yhis game D3. VE was always town. I agree you cant tell eho night killed someone N1 but you can tell who didnt. Me and VE never shoot TT there, period. Maybe its vecause of experience that other people lack, but yeah, me and VE were always town after that nk. Slam was just shit and should have been lynched. I made a post about it and it was accurate. All game ve is mafia vote anyone who is not ve!??????? Fucking shit slam. At least try to do something... | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9834 Posts
I said for the whole of day 3 that you were my preferred lynch, rayn. I was going to keep my vote on chez as a compromise with VE, however when he said he was going to vote slam i switched to you because, as I had said a whole bunch of times (correctly may I add), I believed that mafia was in you and chez, and by voting for you i forced the lynch to be between you and chez. This is also why i didn't want the final day to be me, you and chez left, considering you had townread chez for the entire game and said nothing which indicated you were willing to change your mind about it. The fact is you never said anything which indicated you didn't want to lynch slam on day 3 and me on day 4 so acting as though everyone else did the wrong thing when you were sending town on course for a loss anyway is.... I dunno the word. Wrong? My vote was on mafia for the last day. I don't think yours would have been. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On July 21 2020 03:58 Jockmcplop wrote: The only person who should have been lynched was chez because he was mafia. Don't forget the objective of the game, which pretty much ignores what you think is the 'correct' lynch in favor of lynching mafia. So you didnt lynch mafia D3 when you could decide on it? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
You just played shit AND were wrong (because of your shit thing) | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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raynpelikoneet
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9834 Posts
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Jockmcplop
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On July 21 2020 04:12 Jockmcplop wrote: Well you know what rayn you can have the forum to yourself and play by yourself and then maybe everyone playing will live up to your standards. Shut up and live up to your mistakes for once? I didnt have chezinu as mafia. Thats mine. You fucked up otherwise, why do you want to rub it on my face? Hi tracker, unccd after d2 lives and gets killed in lylo, sure you did everything right???? Fuck tou just fyck yoy. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Period. When you fuck with me i give what you deserve. | ||
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