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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
I'm imagining a groundhog day like D3 where we are still wonding if Trfel/Vivax is the team. I suppose even if that happens we'd have more info, a smaller lynch pool, and always the potential to lynch them then. I'm trying to go to bed on a less conflicted note ^.^ | ||
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jeekaka
Finland111 Posts
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On June 06 2020 15:35 jeekaka wrote: Dont you dare to go down the Jock road :D Man, I already have a tinfoil theory that you might be mafia pocketing me... God and I might have to rely on my fallback way of reading rayn.... | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
 But seriously, I don't know why people really think I am mafia here. I can understand not thinking I am town, but I don't understand why everyone is so convinced I am mafia. Yes, my activity was quite poor earlier. However, I've changed that now. I'm here, I'm present, I'm playing, I'm contributing quality thoughts. That's more than you can say for many of the players in this game. So what if I find different things interesting than other people? Isn't that the beauty of the game, that different things stick out to different players? What a boring game it would be otherwise. How does that make me mafia? Yes, my reads can change quickly. If you want meta, that's been a major mark of my town play the past few years (and unfortunately, is one of the main reasons why my lynch % has increased significantly), because I don't spend the time to review every little thing like I used to, so new information/new perspectives readily changes my reads. Fluid reads is generally considered a towny trait, as mafia have trouble changing their reads quickly. Especially when justified. The one suspicious thing I've done is being wrong on CopCake. Granted, that was quite poor, and for that I (once again) apologize to all. But understand that I was in a rush to try and find something, as voting is mandatory in this game. Look at my play here, trying to analyze all of the possibilities and figure out the best lynch. This is how I play when I have more time and can analyze things more effectively. But in a five minute window or so, I'm not really sure what you expect from me. I am really hesitant to say this, because saying this was a huge part of why I got lynched last game, but I'm probably not going to be around much tomorrow Which basically paints a huge target on my back saying "here mafia, come and lynch me." But it's unavoidable, I am busy with my family. Which is a lot of why I am spending so much time tonight trying to figure out the best lynch, because I can't tomorrow.So there. Do whatever you want. But I think I've played a very reasonable game, I think I've put forth a decent scum pool and as time permits I'll keep working to find the mafia. I encourage everyone to re-evaluate and take a look at what I've posted. I encourage those scumreading Vivax to take another look. I am confident that mafia is riding all of the easy Trfel/Vivax scumreads and not justifying them well, just following thread sentiment (because they aren't well-justified reads). If you lynch me, that's on you. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On June 06 2020 12:18 Trfel wrote: Honestly I feel pretty good about Tictock's filter, except for this.Looking through TicTock's filter, I think he could definitely be mafia here too. Probably not with ShoCkeyy, which puts me in an awkward position. It's his read progression on ShoCkeyy and Vivax that makes no sense to me. He scumreads ShoCkeyy for posting useless things, sure. Then he eventually kinda backs off on ShoCkeyy some (? unclear what he really thought about ShoCkeyy) due to trusting Vivax, a null to slight town read. Then he decides that me and Vivax are mafia but still thinks ShoCkeyy is town, presumably based on Vivax's reasoning. The ShoCkeyy read feels forced here. It goes away when it's convenient and comes back when it's convenient, regardless of what logic would suggest. The scumread on Vivax came up out of nowhere, too. Tictock, any comments? | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
I gave it my best given the circumstances though.Gonna take a shot in the dark and say it's ShoCkeyy/Zey, probably my final guess tonight. | ||
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jeekaka
Finland111 Posts
And what comes to Vivax. D1 he dodged questions about his early townreads, his case on Cake was like super bad, and after almost lynched he basically told he's not gonna cooperate at all. Even you tell me his play fits his usual scum meta. It walks like a duck, it quacks like a duck, but yeah most likely it's not a duck, or wtf?????? | ||
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jeekaka
Finland111 Posts
@Shock could you point out where Cake scumreads Trfel for being afk? | ||
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jeekaka
Finland111 Posts
@Zey can you give me some kind of reads list to show where you are at the game, except in the Trfel/Tictock world. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
On June 06 2020 17:00 jeekaka wrote: I thought Shock was super sketchy, but now that I did actually filter him it didn't come out quite as bad as I expected :D @Shock could you point out where Cake scumreads Trfel for being afk? On June 04 2020 05:18 CopCake wrote: Like, reading tfrl's filter it looks awful how he says he is going to sleep, then again that he is going to sleep and promises reads but never happen. He also says that I didn't post that I felt "sincere" Jock's post but it is implied. “Luckily” I got awoken by the police using tear gas or flash bangs outside of my apartment window on our peaceful protesters. | ||
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jeekaka
Finland111 Posts
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jeekaka
Finland111 Posts
I don't know if that was any help. Like town!Zey can be super active, but I think struggling with the language (and maybe real life lol) is the biggest reason she's not now. When scum, Zey seems to be quite neutral towards her scum buddies, and I would say quite neutral in general. Here she seems to have strong opinions where she has them and she's not afraid to question or accuse people. But I have to say that Zey has been scum like three years ago and even her town meta has changed since :D | ||
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Vivax
21978 Posts
I also think I'm playing badly and need a stronger town to do the legwork. Played a bit of devil's advocate with myself and looked at jeekaka, half-assedly. Worst (?) I could find is this: On June 04 2020 14:07 jeekaka wrote: Shame you had to go before you had time to answer that question I can see Vivax/Trfel world, I can see Jock/Trfel or even Shock/Trfel world where they want to save Vivax to be the next mislynch, and I can even see a distant rayn/Trfel world. In any case I want Trfel's head. On June 04 2020 05:35 jeekaka wrote: I think Vivax might be better lynch for today, as if town he could still be helpfull but he seems to be given up. Trfel is just away for whatever reason. But I'm getting too tired to really think. (After the lynch) On June 04 2020 12:30 jeekaka wrote: Wtf happened :D I basically fell asleep on my keyboard, now I feel bad I didn't switch to Vivax but I was so solid it was gonna be Trefl or Vivax I didn't really care. This actually makes me feel my vote was in the right place but still Yeah, kinda odd conviction shift, oversleeping to vote me, into actually locking in Trfel as the 100% scum when before it sounded like I was more likely. Not sure if slamdunk for a mafia argument, but worth mentioning/discussing I guess? | ||
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Vivax
21978 Posts
pre-lynch On June 04 2020 05:35 jeekaka wrote: I think Vivax might be better lynch for today, as if town he could still be helpfull but he seems to be given up. Trfel is just away for whatever reason. But I'm getting too tired to really think. post-lynch On June 04 2020 12:30 jeekaka wrote: Wtf happened :D I basically fell asleep on my keyboard, now I feel bad I didn't switch to Vivax but I was so solid it was gonna be Trefl or Vivax I didn't really care. This actually makes me feel my vote was in the right place but still On June 04 2020 14:07 jeekaka wrote: Shame you had to go before you had time to answer that question I can see Vivax/Trfel world, I can see Jock/Trfel or even Shock/Trfel world where they want to save Vivax to be the next mislynch, and I can even see a distant rayn/Trfel world. In any case I want Trfel's head. | ||
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jeekaka
Finland111 Posts
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Vivax
21978 Posts
On June 06 2020 21:21 jeekaka wrote: Well what happened there was that Trfel was active in the thread, ignored a Tictocks question I had also quoted and when I called it out he was like "what question???" and when I quoted it again he was gone :D So it felt he was really doing his best to avoid answering it. So according to you when I roll mafia all I've got to do is ask questions and if a townie doesn't answer it because he doesn't see it or thinks it's not his top priority, I got myself a mislynch? There are reasons for townies to not answer to something immediately. That's to say, do you really think that not answering things always makes people mafia? | ||
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Vivax
21978 Posts
I just don't think only mafia feels a tad disconnected in this game. I'm also not of the opinion I can just go and deliver something to rayn if he thinks I should be lynched. I'm just not mafia though and I can see why Trfel plays like he does. Just having a hard time making a call if I decide not to follow my early nose. Jock's filter didn't look like he was killed for looking somewhere where nobody else did either. | ||
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jeekaka
Finland111 Posts
On June 06 2020 21:25 Vivax wrote: So according to you when I roll mafia all I've got to do is ask questions and if a townie doesn't answer it because he doesn't see it or thinks it's not his top priority, I got myself a mislynch? There are reasons for townies to not answer to something immediately. That's to say, do you really think that not answering things always makes people mafia? Where did I ever say so? That interaction felt scummy at the time and my gut feeling was he just must be scum, but in case you haven't noticed I'm already out of the tunnel :----D But I have to say that when I got the answer it made him look even worse. | ||
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Vivax
21978 Posts
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jeekaka
Finland111 Posts
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