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That's ok cuz now I'm first. | ||
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On July 02 2019 02:38 Pandain wrote: I'm mafia AMA I believe you. | ||
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On July 02 2019 03:22 Trfel wrote: Your posts feel so carefree and relaxed and comfortable, which is the complete opposite of your last game as mafia, which felt very rigid and forced. Plus, instead of relying on losing the wifi hotspot and the pre-game excuse, you seem to have redoubled your efforts to engage in the game and be involved. To me that makes a decent townread  Do you know which game you are referring to? | ||
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I don't really trust her yet, but it seemed like Rayn had a really confident read on her in the last game, so I'd be interested to hear his take. | ||
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On July 02 2019 07:43 Trfel wrote: Care to say why? ICK. (sorry) | ||
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On July 02 2019 16:31 Trfel wrote: Of course. I do really believe in tonereads of this type. Her post about being willing to lynch Grackaroni already (!) makes me doubt slightly though, feels a bit opportunistic/eager, but I think the tone read is much stronger. Last game you accused me of disappearing 40 minutes into the thread. | ||
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On June 24 2019 04:55 Trfel wrote: @Shapelog, what are you cooking? Currently I think Grackaroni is the best shot at being mafia. He didn't interact at all with anyone and just vanished from the thread, and it doesn't really make sense for him to be scared of an innocent child... unless he's mafia. I know it's not very strong but it's the best I see, anyone have any similar or different ideas? | ||
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He found me suspicious in the last game for not interacting with thread and disappearing. In this game he is calling other people opportunistic for considering voting me. | ||
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On July 03 2019 00:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: but last game you did that as town in his mind right? I guess that's true. | ||
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On July 02 2019 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah conversion easily town this game. I second this. | ||
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I'm guessing it's the other way around then lol. | ||
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On July 02 2019 11:31 Eversince wrote: Yeah ok. Pandain giving Truffles a townread and saying I didn't do anything is just trash! But at least he asnwer me. Conversion is fine for doubting it. He's not dirving an agenda but just doesn't believe, that's ok I think. Truffles is so town it hurts! Why are you guys skeptical on him? I'll be here! who wants to talk? | ||
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Top town: Conversion/Rayn Lower town: Jock ES gets a pass from me day 1 based on tone, and she also played from the fucking bathtub, so you have to give points for effort. Trfel seems like the most likely mafia to me, but I could also YOLO lynch HF. | ||
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On July 03 2019 01:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: well i think grack officially goes to town pool now. I have no idea why but I'll take it. | ||
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I could vote him too. I'd be happy with a vote into Trfel/Pandain/HF/Eywa. | ||
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On July 03 2019 01:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: do you know that for certain because i was waiting on that, maybe with pictures but it took a lot of time.  The bathtub plays are too creative a thing to make up! I legitimately forgot that I voted for Trfel in the span of 4 minutes, so that's pretty pathetic. | ||
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We aren't playing instant majority it's plurality, so nobody dies before the deadline and whoever gets the most votes is lynched. (tie breaker goes to the person first to get to the most votes.) | ||
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On July 03 2019 05:58 Eversince wrote: My god I need to sleep already. worse* lol what time is it in the Philippines? 5 am? | ||
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On July 03 2019 02:19 Holyflare wrote: Because she doesn't know my meta and has been asked to give a read on me and I have little to no content. She knows I'm town and that I get shot by mafia so she says the truth, that I'm likely to come back and post more if town but then obviously has to arbitrarily fit in the alternative to make it look like she's weighing up my alignment but she got it way wrong. How does she know I'm likely to be shot as town because I'm good at mafia and mafia fear me but not know my mafia meta? It sounds like she just knows hf = vet = apply generic vet meta. I would be very careful about calling her out for misapplying meta on you. This is my fourth game with her and she thinks she's the resident Grackaroni expert even though I've played like 25 games with you/Rayn. | ||
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On July 03 2019 06:21 Eversince wrote: I was more happy you made that point because it made me feel better about you. But in general your logic is ------> so I don't get it. Then I m!Pand for reasons that don't make sense given Pand. I guess a fault of it being I watch a lot more games here than I play. i can understand that. I do quite a bit of that too. I don't think Eywa is mafia either at the moment so I'm a bit lost. I am channeling my inner Tumblewood for this read. | ||
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On July 03 2019 08:31 Jockmcplop wrote: I've skimmed grack's filter trfel and besides wanting to lynch you for no apparent reason (that I can see) I don't think it looks like mafia grack. He didn't exactly townread ES, he just gave her a pass for now if i'm reading it right. I have absolutely no reason to townread him either yet though. My only thought is: Why did you skim my filter? It's very short. Like 2 minutes worth of reading!! | ||
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 Top tier vote counts BH. | ||
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On July 03 2019 11:40 Eversince wrote: Grack stop being useless! I've given you so much room this game but everyone wants to kill for that crap. You've really giving me no reason to think your scum yet but I'm die because of 'loose reads'! Also if you don't start posting super town soon I'm have to re-evaluate myself because you made your yourself obvious town last game. Where is it here? Yeah I know I am quite the shitter. I will *drunk* look at Pandain/Trfel. | ||
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On July 03 2019 12:16 Eversince wrote: Also Grack if you can comment on what you think about him that be nice. Because I serious didn't want to waste this whole game focused on him. But maby he just role scum. Then I have to go figure out who his partner is. Because no one seems to fit but he's mia most of the time. Pandain? I finished reading through him. I don't agree with his town read on Trfel because I don't think scum is hesitant to give town reads in this setup like he seems to think. I don't dislike him pushing me though. I've been admittedly very bland and I haven't contributed anything yet, | ||
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The one regarding Eywa/Conv that you mentioned. | ||
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On July 03 2019 23:06 Conversion wrote: Is Pandain mafia, or is he just one of those other players that just shoots off posts without realizing how bad he sounds? What is this read progression on me when I haven't even posted.. Wants to lynch Conversion, Grack, or Trfel Well, actually he's null to slightly town. Maybe more null, but still wants to lynch me? He justifies defending HF because he's null, but wants to lynch me even if I'm null? Now I'm back to being scummy Oh here we go, I'm scum now. ??? It seems to me mostly like he doesn't think you've been townie so far and has you in his lynch pool rather than any strong change of opinion on you, though I don't know yet if he hard-defended HF while null reading HF or not. | ||
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On July 03 2019 16:52 Jockmcplop wrote: This is what I see in grack's filter. He likes it when people push him, he likes it when people townread him for no reason. I can only see mafia motivation when you combine those two. If he was even trying to find mafia, then he would have something to look into with at least one of these posts. If someone is townreading him for no reason - isn't that possible TMI if he is town? If not and he's mafia, of course he would say 'I don't dislike him pushing me', that's the easiest thing to say when you've already said you are going to play a low effort game. I don't think we should mistake laziness for honesty in this case. It didn't strike me as that unusual that Rayn was townreading me because he has a pretty unique way of reading people and I already thought that he was playing pretty townie before that. | ||
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On July 03 2019 17:26 Pandain wrote: Also Blazinghand has posted a lot but mainly only list posts. Anyone else think this is suspicious? Great post. | ||
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On July 03 2019 17:50 Pandain wrote: Does mafia eversince ever refuse to join the only conceivable counterlynch to her? Yes. | ||
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On July 03 2019 18:08 Holyflare wrote: I don't agree with your conclusion. She's meekly soft defended grack all game and then sprinkled "hesitance" and done nothing with it. They could easily be mafia together, or she could know he's town. Both things point to a mafia es because grack looks absolutely shit and a free lynch for literally anyone to hop onto.  On July 04 2019 01:54 Holyflare wrote: If I had to choose between Grack or ES for a lynch I'd probably choose grack tbh. His filter is void of literally aby content. People are town, he guesses I could maybe be mafia. Es is town because of bathtub? Drunk posting that doesn't even look drunk? Dumb and probably mafia. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://media.giphy.com/media/9V8QmSctSLkx31xwwG/giphy.gif) | ||
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On July 04 2019 02:38 Holyflare wrote: Difference being I read your filter in between those posts. It's bad. I just wanted to mess with you. Though your justification makes no sense because you already said I looked like shit and a free lynch in the fist place. | ||
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On July 03 2019 21:20 Pandain wrote: 1. Then vote Grack 2. Objectively not true. 3. The vote count was 3-4 Grack-ES. It's not a difficult choice to make as mafia to join the counterlynch. You can't cite pressure. 4. If ES gets lynched, we still know nothing on Grack regardless. What slip have you seen? I don't think this is true. She spent so much time meta-reading me that she may think it would look badly for her to switch and is just waiting for the wagons to change. I still don't particularly think she's mafia to begin with though. | ||
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On July 04 2019 02:59 Holyflare wrote: At least I post real content when I'm lazy! All I've seen is Jock ripping into you. I don't remember what you've been posting. | ||
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I really suspect that he had a strong feel based read on her in the last game, and even though the filter Trfel linked is four years old I do see a pretty noticeable difference between that game and this one. | ||
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On July 04 2019 01:37 Holyflare wrote: I think Pandain and eywa are town for what it's worth. I wouldn't clear rayn because his logic doesn't really hold up but I don't want to get in a shit fight about it so I'll ignore it and see how it goes. I got the feeling jock was overzealous townie that thought he had something on me and that looked good but he's pushed it a smidge too far for my liking so I'm downgrading him. Conversion/grack/es/rayn/trfl/jock It's a big list but I really haven't given a shit about the game until now so I'll narrow it down when I'm home. I think you're on the right track. I have ES/Eywa/Pandain/Jock all written off as town. I don't actually dislike you either. Lazy HF is more often town HF than Mafia HF and your reads aren't bad. Lynch into Rayn/Trfel/Conversion. | ||
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Trfel looks fine. I'm up for burying Conversion though. | ||
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His entrance looks uncomfortable to me. Hiis first post that I originally liked was focusing on ES repeatedly making meta reads on me and saying she doesn't want to tunnel on Pandain, which are both weird things but not things that are more likely to come from mafia ES than town ES. Then he has a big post bothering Pandain for having him as a null read while saying that he would lynch him, which wasn't a contradiction. Then he says that ES isn't trying hard enough to lynch him and that she's only mentioned him 13 times. Then there's more complaining about Pandain pushing him. And then he came back for more complaining about ES pushing him. Conversion is really good at getting town reads from making emotional posts, but I haven't really seen anything to make me think that he's trying to solve the game, and I have a pretty big circle of town reads already so I think he's a good vote. | ||
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On July 04 2019 04:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: The first two things i think are actually "reads". Other stuff (aside from the last sentence) is just what Conversion has posted. I mean you can't really say "conversion posted this and that, he's mafia", that's not really a read. My problem is the first two things (the read ones) were posted before you EVER mention Conversion in your filter, and youu only do it once, and you call him your strongest town read. So what gives? I could understand last sentence as PoE but since your read on him (based on your filter) was almost confirmed town i don't understand how he flips on your scum side of reads? I understand you can possibly change opinion ans hit when you read more but to me nothing in your filter rn indicates i should believe what you say here. I liked that he made a long post and seemed to have some kind of a thought process because I remember watching him struggle to push through meta cases in his last mafia game but I haven't liked other posts he's been making since then and other people have got townier in the meantime. You also dropped down from the top town tier to the bottom. I just kept getting more town reads on people and had to re-evaluate a lot. | ||
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On July 04 2019 04:21 Pandain wrote: The only one scumreading you for this is Grack Everyone else just thinks its a mistake. I don't know why? How was Rayn able to make such a confident town read on Eversince in the last game if it wasn't a tone read? And if it was a tone read than why is he nitpicking on those two things over her filter as a whole? | ||
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On July 04 2019 04:24 Eversince wrote: It's ok. I hope you don't mind I do the same. I'm town so surviving is high on my list. I didn't want to lynch you yet though because I figured you'd play. I expected as such. | ||
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On July 04 2019 04:28 Holyflare wrote: Then why did you say he's starting to be a good lynch for not playing??? HF Shennanny for JUSTICE. | ||
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(The last two times I've checked this thread it's been you telling Vigi/medic who to target.) | ||
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On July 04 2019 21:19 Jockmcplop wrote: Mafia won't shoot me surely. I couldn't have had a dumber day 1 if i'd tried. You could also be the shot. I'd be really surprised if either HF or Rayn get shot though. | ||
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On July 04 2019 21:21 Pandain wrote: Grack why do you think I'd get shot? Because you're being townie and you won't get lynched. | ||
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On July 04 2019 21:24 Holyflare wrote: Whoa there, that's completely the opposite. lol are you pushing Pandain? I didn't read yet between after the lynch and now. | ||
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On July 04 2019 21:59 Pandain wrote: This is 100% what I want. If Grack is mafia, that's awesome. If he happens to be town, it means ES is almost certainly town imo. And the last mafia is Eywa or HF. I know I've been pushing you a little bit, but I think this whole puzzle actually starts with knowing Grack's alignment. I know my alignment and it hasn't helped me with the puzzle. On July 04 2019 21:57 Holyflare wrote: The optimal lynch tomorrow is really very likely Grack over everyone else. He shenaniganed away from ES, he has posted almost nothing, he's literally the only one in the game who hasn't weighed in on anything the entire night, he only comes in to make random comments about pandain dying without having read the thread and leaving again. It's terrible mafia play but it's effective. I have no respect for you Grack. You're being a bigger ass than I am. | ||
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I don't want to listen to your shit just because I didn't post in the night phase. I gave my best attempt at solving the game yesterday. It's not an easy game to solve because a lot of the players (ES, Pandain, Eywa) are reads that I have that are pure tone reads. I think I could definitely be wrong about my Eywa read, and maybe Eversince but that would impress me. | ||
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On July 04 2019 22:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: But you PoE'd me and Conversion, formerly your top ttown reads as mafia?!?!?!? You and Conversion were my top town reads at the start of the game but your presence was way lower than people like ES/Pandain throughout the rest of the phase. I could have included HF in the POE too and I probably gave Eywa a town read too easily but I'm not at all unhappy with moving either you or Conversion down, even after Conversion's flip. | ||
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On July 04 2019 22:26 Holyflare wrote: I don't want to cause any offense, it was a little jab at mafia players who play under the radar. I don't think it's insulting to call you out on something that you've said you haven't done (read any of the thread this night phase). Of all the people that have posted they have some kind of reason for thinking what they do and accusing someone of something, excluding you who have not weighed in any thoughts. What am I supposed to conclude from that? I don't think it's bad to suspect someone for being the only person not contributing at night and I don't mind being lynched. Just you going out and saying that you don't respect me for not posting in the game felt a little personal. | ||
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I looked back through the pages and I stand by that. I see you posting about the ES points, which I said I didn't like, you briefly say that Pandain is mafia and then you go back to posting about the same ES points. I think that's less than what you usually do where you tend to cycle through a few different suspicions. | ||
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On July 04 2019 22:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: So your scumread on me is based on that ES is town and i should know better? Yes. You had a confident read on her in the last game and gave a town read on her when I had a lot of doubts, in this game I have a stronger town read on her from the feel of her filter and you are nitpicking on thing she are saying that I don't think make sense from either alignment to try to lynch her. | ||
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On July 04 2019 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay so, i already said i understand the HF thing and i said it's reasonable you scumread me for it. Aside from that why arent you scumreading HF (or if you are now, why weren't you clearly expressing that during EoD1) because HF's points on why ES is mafia are pretty much the same than mine other than that one thing? Because HF misreads people all the time as town and you read ES better than me in the last game and told me not to vote her. I glanced back at your filter in the last game. You made posts about both Shapelog/Eywa being mafia and you commented on all of the players narrowing down your mafia pool to 4 people. I don't recall you ruling many people out in this game, but I can check. | ||
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IF I DIE LYNCH HOLYFLARE. | ||
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