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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10023 Posts
On July 10 2019 01:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: But please do explain why you wanted to convince your scumread to vote for your town read over your null read? Like I said I just felt like ES shouldn't die. I know that sounds shit. Anything I say about it other than that would be trying to justify my actions in hindsight which doesn't really work. If you insist I come up with a reason I would say the ease with which everyone fell into scumreading and lynching ES made me uncertain that it was a good call. When you call people my townreads and scumreads you aren't really representing what I was thinking properly, I was utterly confused and didn't have any particularly strong reads. Mostly it was just slight leans one way or the other. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10023 Posts
Anything you need to ask please ask in the next hour or so while I'm here to answer. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On July 10 2019 01:33 Jockmcplop wrote: Like I said I just felt like ES shouldn't die. I know that sounds shit. Anything I say about it other than that would be trying to justify my actions in hindsight which doesn't really work. If you insist I come up with a reason I would say the ease with which everyone fell into scumreading and lynching ES made me uncertain that it was a good call. When you call people my townreads and scumreads you aren't really representing what I was thinking properly, I was utterly confused and didn't have any particularly strong reads. Mostly it was just slight leans one way or the other. I don't care if you had strong reads or not strong reads. I care about the reads you HAD. You never, even once in this game, call Eversince town during D1. You multiple times call Conversion town. You also don't call Pandain town, in fact you called him and Eywa mafia. That's what is in your filter. If you want to explain what posts made change your mind on any of them, well all of them, please do try. But right now i don't see any reason why i should be believing you. What i see i s you asked, at the eod, your scumread to vote for your townread over your nullread, that is a fact for me based on your filter. I don't think it's reasonable to say "yeah that's not really what i thought, i just didn't post it at the time", but if that's what you are gonna run with then at least make a proper post to explain what were all of the things that made you change your mind and why didn't you care enough to make a simple post like "my read on X has changed / my read on X is now this"? | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
I mean, trfel also said today that it wasn't due to a town read on ES, but a mafia read on Conversion? So... He didn't have a solid town read on ES, and he had not discussed anything negative about Conversion at all that day. So... Instead of posting something like "why not grack?" or point to someone he actually talked about, he re-read Conversion's filter (note: he didn't re-read ES who he claims he was not town reading to the point of saving). And he comes to the conclusion with 0 discussion that Conversion is definitely scummy. Well, that doesn't make much sense. There are even points during Day 1 where trfel liked Conversion I think... But I'd have to go back and check. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On July 10 2019 01:49 Eywa- wrote: I read what you wrote Rayn... The issue I have with it is, Pandain, Grack and trfel also randomly pushed Conversion at end of day... I mean, trfel also said today that it wasn't due to a town read on ES, but a mafia read on Conversion? So... He didn't have a solid town read on ES, and he had not discussed anything negative about Conversion at all that day. So... Instead of posting something like "why not grack?" or point to someone he actually talked about, he re-read Conversion's filter (note: he didn't re-read ES who he claims he was not town reading to the point of saving). And he comes to the conclusion with 0 discussion that Conversion is definitely scummy. Well, that doesn't make much sense. There are even points during Day 1 where trfel liked Conversion I think... But I'd have to go back and check. I don't know who voted first, second and last but i know for a fact that Trfel ninja'ed so he didn't really "push conversion". Grackaroni was Jock's scumread around 10 hours before the deadline, so was Pandain. Why is he voting for his town read conversion with his apparent scumreads? Over voting for his null read? | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
Trfel scum reads me all of day 1, never pushes my lynch over Conversion... Me, being town, the last 10 minutes of day 1 from Trfel position would be pushing a scum read, not checking to see if I have a scum read. Also, remember #915? Well, who did Trfel push day 2? Rayn... Why? Because Rayn makes more sense for town!jockmcplop to push than Eywa. | ||
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Trfel
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Eywa-
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Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
Vote Count Trfel: (2) Jockmcplop, Eywa-, Jockmcplop: (2) Trfel, Raynpelikoneet, currently Trfel is set to be lynched with 2 votes until deadline. (Tuesday, Jul 09 7:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00)) voting is mandatory. | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On July 09 2019 13:49 Trfel wrote: Also I didn't try to save Eversince, I tried to lynch mafia. To me there is a difference. With Conversion that was a random lynch to save Eversince; with you I thought you were mafia. I did look at Eversince's filter D2 to re-evaluate and found some suspicious things, I really really regret not paying them more attention  But it is a lie to say I did not re-evaluate Eversince D2 because I spent a significant amount of time in her filter and my thoughts are clearly posted. | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On July 10 2019 01:56 Trfel wrote: No that's not what I said at all, Day 1 I voted because of a town read on Eversince. I didn't have a solid read on Conversion. What makes you think otherwise? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
So okay, he was voting WITH his scumread (Grack), and trying to convince his scumread (Pandain) to vote for his slight townread (over null read). Would you think it ends up in a scum lynch when you vote with your 2 scumreads in a game where there is 2 scum? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Is there a contradiction there because i can't see it? | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
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Trfel
7015 Posts
Day 1 saved Eversince Day 2 tried to vote for mafia (still thought Eversince was town, stupidly) | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On July 05 2019 15:16 Trfel wrote: I'm not mafia and I refuse to be lynched, better try something else. Judging purely by gamestate here it makes sense to me that raynpelikoneet is mafia, it feels like mafia has a decent amount of thread pull and influence. Honestly it makes me think of raynpelikoneet/Eywa- or raynpelikoneet/jockmcplop. I have no other real reason for why raynpelikoneet is mafia though Jockmcplop, can I ask you why I should be towreading you? (not a challenge, honest question) This post is terrible, it seems like preparation for when Eversince dies, because that clears me and Rayn... He has to maintain a scum read on Jockmcplop. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On July 10 2019 01:59 Eywa- wrote: Ah wait, I see... So you saved ES day 1 and day 2 you were just coincidentally following along with her again, but unrelated? Trfel says on D1 he didn't vote to save ES. He voted Conv because he thought ES is town and with Conv he would have at least a chance to lynch mafia. On D2 he says he wasn't gonna save ES and the situation is anyways different from D1 because he had a scumread (rayn). | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On July 10 2019 02:02 Trfel wrote: Day 1 vs Day 2... Day 1 saved Eversince Day 2 tried to vote for mafia (still thought Eversince was town, stupidly) You were on a wagon with people who had mafia reads on 3 townies... How did you come to the decision that you were not re-reading their filters? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On July 10 2019 02:02 Trfel wrote: Day 1 vs Day 2... Day 1 saved Eversince Day 2 tried to vote for mafia (still thought Eversince was town, stupidly) yeah i messed up my post a little but yes, technically speaking there is nothing wrong with this here. | ||
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