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Jock says this:
On July 05 2019 15:11 Jockmcplop wrote:
So I've got:
trfel + es
vs
rayn + pandain
at the moment, right?
It is true that he has forgotten about you Eywa but it's not important, let's live in a world where you don't exist.
Trfel calls me mafia.
Jock posts this:
On July 05 2019 15:19 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2019 15:16 Trfel wrote:On July 05 2019 15:12 Jockmcplop wrote:
I mean unless there's bussing happening (which there might be) the mafia team is trfel and es I'm not mafia and I refuse to be lynched, better try something else. Judging purely by gamestate here it makes sense to me that raynpelikoneet is mafia, it feels like mafia has a decent amount of thread pull and influence. Honestly it makes me think of raynpelikoneet/Eywa- or raynpelikoneet/jockmcplop. I have no other real reason for why raynpelikoneet is mafia though  Jockmcplop, can I ask you why I should be towreading you? (not a challenge, honest question) Actually trfel you are 100% mafia Definitely My logic before didn't quote work BUT Rayn/ES isn't a possible mafia team here,right? Pandain isn't mafia I'm not mafia therefore mafia is trfel/ES or trfel/raynTell me why this is wrong
Why does the possible mafia teams expand into Trfel + rayn too? Like in eight minutes he suddenly figures this out too? Or he figures out he has made a mistake and needs to find other possibilities because if what he first said is "right" we are going to lynch Eversince and they want to win right there.
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I mean because Trfel is not really scumread by thread sentiment and ES is.
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On July 09 2019 01:34 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2019 01:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 05 2019 23:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
explain then. you have:
pandain + rayn
ES + trfel
pandain turns out to be vigilante
why is trfel 100% mafia but ES is not 100% mafia? I really can't get over his. https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=27399462
Yes i know what you said in that post and i answered you "that's not what you said originally".
Actually why didn't you believe Pandain is a vigilante?
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Wait no i am wrong. I have heavily misread the first post from you there.
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God damn, is #112 - #128 all scum theater? The posts in that section are so bad too...
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Well Trfel for sure knows how to scum theater.
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Canada11355 Posts
Vote Count
trfel: (3) Jockmcplop, Eywa-, Raynpelikoneet,
Not voting (1):
Trfel
currently Trfel is set to be lynched with 3 votes
until deadline. (Tuesday, Jul 09 7:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00))
voting is mandatory.
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Honestly I don't know what to say other than I'm sorry for playing an absolutely miserable game. You guys deserve to win and I'm truly sorry that my poor play took that away from you.
I don't feel like making a case on Jockmcplop, I don't think it would change anything.
That said, I can attempt to explain my actions.
1. My initial townread on Eversince. The reason I posted it was to start conversation. If you look at every town game I've played in years, I've started with an early read of some type to try and get the game going. Yes I know it's a stretch, but it effectively got the game started, so I consider it a success. Look at any if my games where I was present early on and you will see this trend.
2. Voting for Conversion. Again, I wasn't trying to hide my presence in the thread, I posted 10 minutes before the deadline. I wasn't trying to hide my vote either, but I was on a phone and I was rushing to read as much of Conversion's filter as possible. I thought my time was better spent trying to read Conversion's filter and deciding what to do than posting in the thread. Maybe that was wrong but that's what I did.
I think since then I've been pretty darn clear on why I did what I did. I haven't done anything suspicious this game except be incredibly wrong, but unfortunately that is lynch-worthy.
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The thing I don't get though, is why me over Jockmcplop? As wrong as I've been and as lynch-worthy as that is, he's done all the same things. Admittedly it's my error and I deserve to be lynched for it whereas he played it perfectly and I played right into his hand, but I haven't been less pro-town than Jockmcplop has.
At least Holyflare had a reason for being suspicious of me, I don't believe anyone else has actually shared a reason for preferring lynching me to Jockmcplop. So if I am being lynched today I think I at least deserve to know why.
One thing I know is I have provided a lot more original thought and content than Jockmcplop has. His filter may be longer but his content is less substantial. You cannot disagree with the time and effort and care that I have spent trying to figure out this game (as wrong as it may have been).
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On July 07 2019 16:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 16:15 Trfel wrote:
Also, I reread Eversince's filter. I still kinda think she is town but I'm not going to try and save her again, if she is lynched so be it. I accept the possibility that I could be wrong.
Also I didn't try to save Eversince, I tried to lynch mafia. To me there is a difference. With Conversion that was a random lynch to save Eversince; with you I thought you were mafia.
I did look at Eversince's filter D2 to re-evaluate and found some suspicious things, I really really regret not paying them more attention But it is a lie to say I did not re-evaluate Eversince D2 because I spent a significant amount of time in her filter and my thoughts are clearly posted.
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I will sum my points on coffee break soon.
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First of all noone is saying you're mafia because you voted for Conversion. I think youre mafia because:
1) you said you wont inrerfere with ES lynch if it comes to that after D1 and then you did just the complete opposite.
2) you said multiple timesi you will re-eval ES then you made a summary of her posts and said she is town for meta while you even found suspicious posts. I find that a lackluster re-evaluation.
3) you wanted to lynch me over eywa while at that time based on your posting and your possible scumteams you werent at all sure if i am mafia and i was ONLY mafia in case eywa is. You simply had no reason to vote for me instead of eywa regardless of how strong hour scumread is (and based on your posting it even wasnt that strong). I dont buy the "if we are lynching rayn lets just get over it immediately" argument because it is a shit argument.
4) you called jock null/suspicious, argued with him, agreed with him and then said you STILL think jock is town.
5) if you are town you should be trying to prove why jock is mafia. "I am more townie" isnt an argument.
Last night when eywa made a post on you i went to read tropical storm. In that game i lead a lyncyh on you because you called ruxxxar mafia for like 72 hours and after that i asked you why ruxxar is mafia and you didint remember what he had posted all game. I honestly see tje same elements in your play here, mainly on the points i brought up.
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Thanks for taking the time to answer.
1) Like I said, I meant that I wouldn't vote to save Eversince or try to save Eversince, not that I wouldn't try to lynch a different scumread.
2) Sorry you find it lackluster. I messed up, at least I tried.
3) That was why I did it. Shrug
4) After talking about it with Jockmcplop, I thought about it and decided he was town. I just didn't bother to say it in the thread, maybe I should have done so.
5) Would it really make a difference if I made a case on Jockmcplop? I don't feel like it would matter.
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On July 09 2019 14:37 Trfel wrote:
Thanks for taking the time to answer.
1) Like I said, I meant that I wouldn't vote to save Eversince or try to save Eversince, not that I wouldn't try to lynch a different scumread.
2) Sorry you find it lackluster. I messed up, at least I tried.
3) That was why I did it. Shrug
4) After talking about it with Jockmcplop, I thought about it and decided he was town. I just didn't bother to say it in the thread, maybe I should have done so.
5) Would it really make a difference if I made a case on Jockmcplop? I don't feel like it would matter.
1) i guess you could be telling the truth or lying here. I dont really see what your explanation even means based on how you felt on n1 (bad about the lynch based on your posting) and because i dont see a difference between d1 lynch and d2 lynch. I mean just because conv was shennied i dont really understand the difference.
2-3) okay
4) you bothered to say it. The problem is you said you STILL think he is town when you just LATELY figured out he is town. It feels like at the time you wanted to say you have had a town read on him for some time when it definitely wasnt the case.
5) ofc. If youre town and he is mafia i am obviously missing something. My scumread on jock got pretty much debunked because i had misread his starting point on D2. My strongest point was that he found a target and tried to make the evidence fit and thats not necessarily the case anymore.
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With "okay" i mean it is pretty much up to me to decide if its scummy or not.
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On July 03 2019 03:03 Jockmcplop wrote:
I don't think you're mafia ES, not yet anyway. All this stuff coming from rayn, hf and conversion seems kinda weak to be honest, even though there's alot of it.
This is one thing I don't like on Jockmcplop. He null-read Eversince for so long before eventually townreading her for no reason. Take a look at the first few pages of his filter for his interactions with/read on Eversince, he seems to be keeping his options open with a suspected scumbuddy. Voting all the other wagons, disagreeing with all the cases against her, even agreeing with Eversince's scumreads but still null...
Also raynpelikoneet, what about your point about jockmcplop jumping on you after I started being suspicious of you? I thought that was a really interesting point, how only after I started looking at you Jockmcplop followed and became certain you were mafia and kept pushing me to continue scumreading you. He saw my mistake and used it as an opportunity.
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Also Holyflare's point that while Jockmcplop was pushing Holyflare, he was convinced that Holyflare was mafia, and THEN realized that he had a point that still stood. Like if he didn't have a point that still stood, shouldn't he at least have been reconsidering his read?
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What can I say, he's played a good scum game and I've gift-wrapped him the game. I honestly don't know how to show that I am town and/or that Jockmcplop is mafia here. Especially since others have already made the best points on him.
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I don't understand what you mean at all about your Jockmcplop point getting debunked, sorry. I'll take your word for it I guess but I still think the overall picture of Jockmcplop's day 2 is really suspicious. How he jumps on raynpelikoneet only after I do, how he's so certain and it all comes up out of nowhere, how he encourages me on when I'm doubting. Especially the complete certainty makes no sense, his words are so certain but he keeps saying he was only 75% sure. I don't see any critical thought or attempt to figure out alignments day 2, just an all-in push to lynch raynpelikoneet. Town would be trying to figure things out and learn more when unsure, as he did even in other parts of this game.
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