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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
But yesterday i realised he wasnt actually calling those original "possible scumteams" possible scumteams. I have read the word "vs" as "or" throughout D2. I will take another look, unfortunately that will not happen before 8 hrs from now as thats when i get off work. Id like others to contribute aswell if possible. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Trfel
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On July 09 2019 16:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: You want the real answer?Trfel. The most problem i have with your read on es is that you clearly said she has srtong scumgame and then you townread her for weak things (meta and shit) even though you found scummy things in her play. I lied. I didn't think she had a strong scum game. But I wasn't going to call her out or say like "everyone but Eversince has a strong scum game," that's insulting. You can clearly see through the rest of my posts, especially the early ones, that I characterized Eversince's mafia game as forced, dry, formulaic, aka not that great. But I try to be nice and non-insulting. Obviously I was wrong, and her play this game was incredibly improved. But that's why I said what I said, I basically just omitted an exception for Eversince to avoid being insulting. If that makes me mafia I'd do it again anyway. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On July 09 2019 16:50 Trfel wrote: You want the real answer? I lied. I didn't think she had a strong scum game. But I wasn't going to call her out or say like "everyone but Eversince has a strong scum game," that's insulting. You can clearly see through the rest of my posts, especially the early ones, that I characterized Eversince's mafia game as forced, dry, formulaic, aka not that great. But I try to be nice and non-insulting. Obviously I was wrong, and her play this game was incredibly improved. But that's why I said what I said, I basically just omitted an exception for Eversince to avoid being insulting. If that makes me mafia I'd do it again anyway. The irony of this post if you flip town. Too bad you won't. | ||
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Eywa-
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Eywa-
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On July 09 2019 13:41 Trfel wrote: Honestly I don't know what to say other than I'm sorry for playing an absolutely miserable game. You guys deserve to win and I'm truly sorry that my poor play took that away from you. I don't feel like making a case on Jockmcplop, I don't think it would change anything. This is not a town entrance. | ||
Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
Vote Count Trfel: (3) Jockmcplop, Eywa-, Raynpelikoneet, Jockmcplop: (1) Trfel currently Trfel is set to be lynched with 3 votes until deadline. (Tuesday, Jul 09 7:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00)) voting is mandatory. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On July 10 2019 00:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: Eywa are you around for how long? I just got off work i am reading Jock's fliter. I'm barely around. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Pandain votes for ES D1 because "I don't know how she can seriously believe she "deserves" a town read this early in the take when absolutely nothing has happened" Jock says case/vote is "half-arsed" Conversion makes a case on ES, jock responds with "[Conversion's post] is a list of her posts with some commentary that is meant to make them look bad" Next i say Jock isn't correct. Jock disagrees with me and says he is null on ES. Then he calls Conversion's case omgus and that's "also why i am reticent to go agreeing with conversion" Jock says "although I'm interested in ES assuming that we should townread her and why we shouldn't talk about her trfel townread." (we will see if this is ever followed up or not later on) Then he says Conversion (and rayn) are town. I already talked about how i find it weird and possibly scummy how jock, when he started callign me mafia, called me mafia for "you have done nothing but pushed ES for 72 hrs", well yeah, here he apparently reads me town for that. Let's see where and why does the mind on Conversion change. At this point there should never ever be a world where jock votes for Conversion over eversince. Then he asks ES "can I ask exactly what it is about trfel that you find makes him town?" Let's see if there is a follow up. "All this stuff [on ES] coming from rayn, hf and conversion seems kinda weak to be honest" "Honestly I'm not scum reading any of those guys. They are all townreads for me right now, i just don't see the ES stuff." July 02 2019 21:13 MSK Pandain, who is btw Jock's top scumread with Eywa at the time, says he wants to vote between Conversion, Grack, and Trfel. Jock responds with: "I haven't properly looked into any of these three yet. I had a slight town read on conversion when made the post on ES (even though I disagreed) because of his meta and the aggressive way he defended himself. I'll take a closer look at all three today and let you know what I think though." I am not sure why you would want to look into your top 2 scumreads scumreads (one of which you townread, grack was being grack, Trfel maybe), especially when that doesn't include your top 1 scumread and has no reasoning why he (Pandain) wants to vote for them?!?!? At the moment ES is leading wagon with me, HF and Conv voting for her. Jock (apparently) looks into Grack first and says this: "[quotes of some posts] I can only see mafia motivation when you combine those two. If he was even trying to find mafia, then he would have something to look into with at least one of these posts. If someone is townreading him for no reason - isn't that possible TMI if he is town? " Do you want to guess who was doing just that? Jesus fuck should i jsut stop here? He just agreed with every case on ES!!!! Jock votes for grack. Jock says "If you just look at the vote count you would think there's some serious evidence that ES is mafia, but there isn't any, there's just a multitude of bad cases." 10 hrs before deadline Jock has a slight town read on conversion. Then says he just can't get a good mafia read on anyone followed by he's just going to wait until near deadline and put my vote on whichever wagon looks like the best option. Then he starts pushing for HF. Scumread on HF is basically a defense on ES. 5 hrs before deadline Jock doesn't have a town read on ES. We go near to eod; Jock says: "I would vote grack to save ES but its gotta be soon" (fair) -> "Pandain switch to conversion with me" (not fair) I am thinking i want to change my vote. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
- Jock never townreads ES during D1, yet he defends every single fucking point made on her - Jock votes for his townread over his null-read at eod. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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raynpelikoneet
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##vote Jockmcplop | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On July 09 2019 13:41 Trfel wrote: 1. My initial townread on Eversince. The reason I posted it was to start conversation. If you look at every town game I've played in years, I've started with an early read of some type to try and get the game going. Yes I know it's a stretch, but it effectively got the game started, so I consider it a success. Look at any if my games where I was present early on and you will see this trend. 2. Voting for Conversion. Again, I wasn't trying to hide my presence in the thread, I posted 10 minutes before the deadline. I wasn't trying to hide my vote either, but I was on a phone and I was rushing to read as much of Conversion's filter as possible. I thought my time was better spent trying to read Conversion's filter and deciding what to do than posting in the thread. Maybe that was wrong but that's what I did. The fact that he only later explains that he voted conversion because of a scum read is awful... In this post he basically just says he read his filter, but doesn't explicitly state his EOD reads which is kind of what I'd be looking for town to do if they were justifying a fuck up. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On July 10 2019 01:13 Eywa- wrote: The fact that he only later explains that he voted conversion because of a scum read is awful... In this post he basically just says he read his filter, but doesn't explicitly state his EOD reads which is kind of what I'd be looking for town to do if they were justifying a fuck up. I understand. I would have wanted more from trfel but can you please look at what i just wrote? | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9654 Posts
Make your mind up rayn lol... Like I said before I was all over the place on day 1. Didn't have any consistent reads at all. I just couldn't read the game (its pretty much this whole game tbh). I had a strong feeling at the end of the day that I didn't want ES to die. That's about all I can tell you. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On July 10 2019 01:22 Jockmcplop wrote: And yet when I said i had an awful day 1 rayn told me I did everything right as town on day 1. Make your mind up rayn lol... Like I said before I was all over the place on day 1. Didn't have any consistent reads at all. I just couldn't read the game (its pretty much this whole game tbh). I had a strong feeling at the end of the day that I didn't want ES to die. That's about all I can tell you. I never looked closely to your filter before because i was too busy lynching obvious mafia. Yeah at first glance i didn't see anything wrong with your D1. I don't see anywhere in your filter that suggests that you even had a remote townread on ES. You called me, Conversion and HF town (at some points), hell you never ever even call ES town in your filter. | ||
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