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On July 10 2019 02:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2019 01:59 Eywa- wrote:
Ah wait, I see... So you saved ES day 1 and day 2 you were just coincidentally following along with her again, but unrelated? Trfel says on D1 he didn't vote to save ES. He voted Conv because he thought ES is town and with Conv he would have at least a chance to lynch mafia. On D2 he says he wasn't gonna save ES and the situation is anyways different from D1 because he had a scumread (rayn).
Day 2, he also voted you because he thought ES was town.
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On July 10 2019 02:03 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2019 02:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 10 2019 01:59 Eywa- wrote:
Ah wait, I see... So you saved ES day 1 and day 2 you were just coincidentally following along with her again, but unrelated? Trfel says on D1 he didn't vote to save ES. He voted Conv because he thought ES is town and with Conv he would have at least a chance to lynch mafia. On D2 he says he wasn't gonna save ES and the situation is anyways different from D1 because he had a scumread (rayn). Day 2, he also voted you because he thought ES was town.
that's not right, at least he says it's not. he voted for me because he thought i am mafia.
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On July 10 2019 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Before voting for Conversion Jock was voting for Grack, he even made a post where he says Grack is scummy. Pandain was Jock's scumread for sure and there is no post in his filter that says he changed his read on Pandain.
So okay, he was voting WITH his scumread (Grack), and trying to convince his scumread (Pandain) to vote for his slight townread (over null read).
Would you think it ends up in a scum lynch when you vote with your 2 scumreads in a game where there is 2 scum?
really eywa, read this please.
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On July 10 2019 02:03 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2019 02:02 Trfel wrote:
Day 1 vs Day 2...
Day 1 saved Eversince
Day 2 tried to vote for mafia (still thought Eversince was town, stupidly) You were on a wagon with people who had mafia reads on 3 townies... How did you come to the decision that you were not re-reading their filters? I did reread Eversince's filter, I didn't have time to get to Jockmcplop, and since it was clearly Eversince vs raynpelikoneet I focused on my reads on those two.
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On July 10 2019 02:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2019 02:03 Eywa- wrote:On July 10 2019 02:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 10 2019 01:59 Eywa- wrote:
Ah wait, I see... So you saved ES day 1 and day 2 you were just coincidentally following along with her again, but unrelated? Trfel says on D1 he didn't vote to save ES. He voted Conv because he thought ES is town and with Conv he would have at least a chance to lynch mafia. On D2 he says he wasn't gonna save ES and the situation is anyways different from D1 because he had a scumread (rayn). Day 2, he also voted you because he thought ES was town. that's not right, at least he says it's not. he voted for me because he thought i am mafia. This is true, I still thought Eversince is town though, does it matter? Why can't I think both?
Semantics...
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On July 10 2019 02:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2019 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Before voting for Conversion Jock was voting for Grack, he even made a post where he says Grack is scummy. Pandain was Jock's scumread for sure and there is no post in his filter that says he changed his read on Pandain.
So okay, he was voting WITH his scumread (Grack), and trying to convince his scumread (Pandain) to vote for his slight townread (over null read).
Would you think it ends up in a scum lynch when you vote with your 2 scumreads in a game where there is 2 scum? really eywa, read this please.
I read this.
Funny thing about this: Grackaroni and Jockmcplop had nearly identical reads D1 and committed to the same end result. What would you say Grackaroni's alignment is?
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On July 10 2019 02:07 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2019 02:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 10 2019 02:03 Eywa- wrote:On July 10 2019 02:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 10 2019 01:59 Eywa- wrote:
Ah wait, I see... So you saved ES day 1 and day 2 you were just coincidentally following along with her again, but unrelated? Trfel says on D1 he didn't vote to save ES. He voted Conv because he thought ES is town and with Conv he would have at least a chance to lynch mafia. On D2 he says he wasn't gonna save ES and the situation is anyways different from D1 because he had a scumread (rayn). Day 2, he also voted you because he thought ES was town. that's not right, at least he says it's not. he voted for me because he thought i am mafia. This is true, I still thought Eversince is town though, does it matter? Why can't I think both? Semantics...
I do though have one problem with this, which i originally brought it up. Why didn't you change your vote onto eversince when pandain made it clear that's where he is going to vote? In an unlikely scenario that eywa is mafia and i am town you are losing the game for something you said you wouldn't do.
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The other thing is:
jockmcplop's play is objectively bad this game (sorry man), and he's been wrong.
Trfel's play has been anything but noteworthy, he doesn't seem to be having a particularly bad game, but when you look at the results... Woah, it's a horrible game.
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On July 10 2019 02:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2019 02:07 Trfel wrote:On July 10 2019 02:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 10 2019 02:03 Eywa- wrote:On July 10 2019 02:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 10 2019 01:59 Eywa- wrote:
Ah wait, I see... So you saved ES day 1 and day 2 you were just coincidentally following along with her again, but unrelated? Trfel says on D1 he didn't vote to save ES. He voted Conv because he thought ES is town and with Conv he would have at least a chance to lynch mafia. On D2 he says he wasn't gonna save ES and the situation is anyways different from D1 because he had a scumread (rayn). Day 2, he also voted you because he thought ES was town. that's not right, at least he says it's not. he voted for me because he thought i am mafia. This is true, I still thought Eversince is town though, does it matter? Why can't I think both? Semantics... I do though have one problem with this, which i originally brought it up. Why didn't you change your vote onto eversince when pandain made it clear that's where he is going to vote? In an unlikely scenario that eywa is mafia and i am town you are losing the game for something you said you wouldn't do. I was napping and I woke up too late :/
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And a better point,
Trfel was trying to push mafia, yet... His posts all game indicate that he should have been pushing me day 2, not Rayn.
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On July 10 2019 02:09 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2019 02:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 10 2019 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Before voting for Conversion Jock was voting for Grack, he even made a post where he says Grack is scummy. Pandain was Jock's scumread for sure and there is no post in his filter that says he changed his read on Pandain.
So okay, he was voting WITH his scumread (Grack), and trying to convince his scumread (Pandain) to vote for his slight townread (over null read).
Would you think it ends up in a scum lynch when you vote with your 2 scumreads in a game where there is 2 scum? really eywa, read this please. I read this. Funny thing about this: Grackaroni and Jockmcplop had nearly identical reads D1 and committed to the same end result. What would you say Grackaroni's alignment is?
I know he is town but i would still lynch him if he was in the game or did the same stuff. I don't really remember what Grack did and what was his reasoning, i stopped caring about that when he got shot, but here's something i know:
For me mafia isn't really about finding contradictions and shit like that, you know like "fake posts" and shit. I hate when people get called out purely based on something superficial. For me mafia is about trying to find out why people post what they did and even if you did the most awful stupid shit it doesn't necessarily mean you're mafia. What i think ALWAYS makes people mafia is when people go against their own logic, one that they clearly say or imply is the case and then they do something else. Like when ES makes like 10 posts hard defending Grack for meta, just to say that "grack could do that as either alignment". That's always going to be a lie, and that's always a lie mafia makes. Always. Jock had reads. I don't believe Jock believes his assumed town read will flip mafia over his assumed scum read when he votes with two of his his assumed scum reads. I just don't believe it. The only reasonable explanation i can come up with that he went all in saving ES. I literally can't even think of a townie thought process for what he did based on what he said in thread in his D1 filter.
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On July 10 2019 02:15 Eywa- wrote:
And a better point,
Trfel was trying to push mafia, yet... His posts all game indicate that he should have been pushing me day 2, not Rayn. You keep talking like I've been scumreading you all game which simply is not true. Look again.
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There's a 0% chance of me moving my vote, I think Trfel's play has too much AtE going on (his opening statement today), a lot of apologies (specifically with jockmcplop who he's pocketing), he keeps trying to scum read jockmcplop day 1 and backs right up again after presented with an answer to his questions.
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Well i guess then either Trfel flips mafia or we lose.
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On July 10 2019 02:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2019 02:09 Eywa- wrote:On July 10 2019 02:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 10 2019 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Before voting for Conversion Jock was voting for Grack, he even made a post where he says Grack is scummy. Pandain was Jock's scumread for sure and there is no post in his filter that says he changed his read on Pandain.
So okay, he was voting WITH his scumread (Grack), and trying to convince his scumread (Pandain) to vote for his slight townread (over null read).
Would you think it ends up in a scum lynch when you vote with your 2 scumreads in a game where there is 2 scum? really eywa, read this please. I read this. Funny thing about this: Grackaroni and Jockmcplop had nearly identical reads D1 and committed to the same end result. What would you say Grackaroni's alignment is? # For me mafia is about trying to find out why people post what they did and even if you did the most awful stupid shit it doesn't necessarily mean you're mafia. What i think ALWAYS makes people mafia is when people go against their own logic, one that they clearly say or imply is the case and then they do something else. Like when ES makes like 10 posts hard defending Grack for meta, just to say that "grack could do that as either alignment". That's always going to be a lie, and that's always a lie mafia makes. Always. Jock had reads.
When this game finishes i want you to remember this post in relation to my future games.
I thought that I tended to think things through clearly until you got a hold of my filter this last couple of days. Now youre just exposing the fact that I play this game like an idiot.
Live and learn I guess.
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##unvote
##vote Trfel
I am sorry if you were town Trfel.
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On July 10 2019 02:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2019 02:09 Eywa- wrote:On July 10 2019 02:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 10 2019 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Before voting for Conversion Jock was voting for Grack, he even made a post where he says Grack is scummy. Pandain was Jock's scumread for sure and there is no post in his filter that says he changed his read on Pandain.
So okay, he was voting WITH his scumread (Grack), and trying to convince his scumread (Pandain) to vote for his slight townread (over null read).
Would you think it ends up in a scum lynch when you vote with your 2 scumreads in a game where there is 2 scum? really eywa, read this please. I read this. Funny thing about this: Grackaroni and Jockmcplop had nearly identical reads D1 and committed to the same end result. What would you say Grackaroni's alignment is? I know he is town but i would still lynch him if he was in the game or did the same stuff. I don't really remember what Grack did and what was his reasoning, i stopped caring about that when he got shot, but here's something i know: For me mafia isn't really about finding contradictions and shit like that, you know like "fake posts" and shit. I hate when people get called out purely based on something superficial. For me mafia is about trying to find out why people post what they did and even if you did the most awful stupid shit it doesn't necessarily mean you're mafia. What i think ALWAYS makes people mafia is when people go against their own logic, one that they clearly say or imply is the case and then they do something else. Like when ES makes like 10 posts hard defending Grack for meta, just to say that "grack could do that as either alignment". That's always going to be a lie, and that's always a lie mafia makes. Always. Jock had reads. I don't believe Jock believes his assumed town read will flip mafia over his assumed scum read when he votes with two of his his assumed scum reads. I just don't believe it. The only reasonable explanation i can come up with that he went all in saving ES. I literally can't even think of a townie thought process for what he did based on what he said in thread in his D1 filter.
See.. Grack wasn't even on my radar day 1 due to how people were talking to/about him. So we disagree about whether or not he would have been a good lynch.
The rest is valid, but Trfel hasn't given me anything either.
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On July 10 2019 02:19 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2019 02:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 10 2019 02:09 Eywa- wrote:On July 10 2019 02:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 10 2019 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Before voting for Conversion Jock was voting for Grack, he even made a post where he says Grack is scummy. Pandain was Jock's scumread for sure and there is no post in his filter that says he changed his read on Pandain.
So okay, he was voting WITH his scumread (Grack), and trying to convince his scumread (Pandain) to vote for his slight townread (over null read).
Would you think it ends up in a scum lynch when you vote with your 2 scumreads in a game where there is 2 scum? really eywa, read this please. I read this. Funny thing about this: Grackaroni and Jockmcplop had nearly identical reads D1 and committed to the same end result. What would you say Grackaroni's alignment is? # For me mafia is about trying to find out why people post what they did and even if you did the most awful stupid shit it doesn't necessarily mean you're mafia. What i think ALWAYS makes people mafia is when people go against their own logic, one that they clearly say or imply is the case and then they do something else. Like when ES makes like 10 posts hard defending Grack for meta, just to say that "grack could do that as either alignment". That's always going to be a lie, and that's always a lie mafia makes. Always. Jock had reads. When this game finishes i want you to remember this post in relation to my future games. I thought that I tended to think things through clearly until you got a hold of my filter this last couple of days. Now youre just exposing the fact that I play this game like an idiot. Live and learn I guess.
If you're scum: Well played (though I don't think this is the outcome)
If you're town, I think the amount of reads you posted as you had them turned out to be very confusing (rather than clearly mapping out your thought process). It's better to keep some of that closer to the chest because people will be less confused.
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On July 10 2019 02:20 Eywa- wrote:
See.. Grack wasn't even on my radar day 1 due to how people were talking to/about him. So we disagree about whether or not he would have been a good lynch.
Well we disagree on this then, because i have seriously no idea what "how other people talked to/about player X" has to do with player X's alignment, especially on D1.
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On July 04 2019 17:38 Trfel wrote:
My only concern about Eywa- is that sometimes it feels like Eywa- is more concerned about looking good or being superior to everyone else, rather than finding who is mafia. Does anyone else see this?
I hard disagree with this.
My goal is always to find mafia, I don't give out my thoughts so much because when people go back to look at my filter, they can very quickly understand who I'm scum reading at various points without putting their own spin on whether they think it's valid or not. I want people to read me off of what I'm thinking and not whether they agree with why I'm thinking that.
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