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On July 07 2019 01:31 Jockmcplop wrote:
You haven't looked like you've even tried to figure out the night reads though. You certainly haven't shown any interest in helping the rest of town figure it out either, you just call everything bullshit and insist you are right.
Like this is the shittiest point you have made all game long. I think this is probably the shittiest point made in this game.
Explain to me, and everyone, why should i reconsider my read on Eversince? What has happened after D1 that should make me reconsider my read?
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As for Holyflare's reads, he thought everyone still alive is town. He said raynpelikoneet is town, Jockmcplop is town, Eywa- is probably town, and he said he didn't think I would have written that case on him as mafia. He also said his heart was saying Eversince was town on tone alone, to me it seemed clear he was coming around on that. So unfortunately Holyflare's reads don't leave a ton to work with, it feels like quite a stretch to apply them like that.
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On July 07 2019 01:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Trfel i asked you a question and i am waiting for you to answer. Why are you voting for me when the only player in the game i can be mafia with is eywa in your opinion? You apparently don't even scumread me. And yes I do scumread you.
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On July 07 2019 01:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2019 01:31 Jockmcplop wrote:
You haven't looked like you've even tried to figure out the night reads though. You certainly haven't shown any interest in helping the rest of town figure it out either, you just call everything bullshit and insist you are right. Like this is the shittiest point you have made all game long. I think this is probably the shittiest point made in this game. Explain to me, and everyone, why should i reconsider my read on Eversince? What has happened after D1 that should make me reconsider my read?
I'm not saying you should reconsider your read on eversince
I am categorically not saying, and have never said, that you should reconsider your ES read.
ES being mafia or not is not the only thing in this whole game. There's other stuff happening too and you don't give a shit about trying to figure out what it is or work with town to help us reason it out. There's other people playing too, and I know you feel like you're above all that teamwork and cooperation but for the rest of us that's pretty much what mafia is about.
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I am not against cooperation. I have commented on everything i feel like is worth commenting. At the same time you say i should not reconsider my read on ES and that i am mafia because i only want to lynch ES. Yeah, surebro! I am most certain that ES is mafia and that makes Eywa town because mafia!eywa votes for conversion, or grackaroni. So the only thing i need to consider is if you or trfel is the final mafia and i am pretty sure i have done that during D2, claiming otherwise is simply just a lie.
On July 07 2019 01:35 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2019 01:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Trfel i asked you a question and i am waiting for you to answer. Why are you voting for me when the only player in the game i can be mafia with is eywa in your opinion? You apparently don't even scumread me. And yes I do scumread you.
then why am i mafia?
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just because you are against my conclusions doesn't mean i haven't made them, and any player in a mafia game should know that.
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On July 05 2019 23:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
why does everyone say they want to read eversince to contribute bot noone ever does it (trfel/jock)?
Also, if you're gonna come at me like that why the fuck were posting this shit after i said i was leaving yesterday. Its a blatant lie! You just ignored it when I pointed out yesterday too I never said I was gonna read ES you're just lying cos you thought i wasn't here reading it.
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Pandain i will be voting with you whoever you vote unless it's me. But i think ES is the correct answer here and i think Eywa is not.
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On July 07 2019 01:43 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2019 23:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
why does everyone say they want to read eversince to contribute bot noone ever does it (trfel/jock)? Also, if you're gonna come at me like that why the fuck were posting this shit after i said i was leaving yesterday. Its a blatant lie! You just ignored it when I pointed out yesterday too I never said I was gonna read ES you're just lying cos you thought i wasn't here reading it.
I am sorry i didn't know i am unallowed to post when you say you are not around.
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On July 07 2019 01:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2019 01:43 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 05 2019 23:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
why does everyone say they want to read eversince to contribute bot noone ever does it (trfel/jock)? Also, if you're gonna come at me like that why the fuck were posting this shit after i said i was leaving yesterday. Its a blatant lie! You just ignored it when I pointed out yesterday too I never said I was gonna read ES you're just lying cos you thought i wasn't here reading it. I am sorry i didn't know i am unallowed to post when you say you are not around.
Nice deflection, but you can post whenever you want but if you lie about me i'm gonna point it out.
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Like reading Eversince and commenting on her doesn't mean "she's happy so town, she's active so town, she's town by meta". Because that has nothing to do with what eversince has said during this game. That's just fucking bullshit and nothing more. that's not playing mafia.
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On July 07 2019 01:45 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2019 01:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 07 2019 01:43 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 05 2019 23:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
why does everyone say they want to read eversince to contribute bot noone ever does it (trfel/jock)? Also, if you're gonna come at me like that why the fuck were posting this shit after i said i was leaving yesterday. Its a blatant lie! You just ignored it when I pointed out yesterday too I never said I was gonna read ES you're just lying cos you thought i wasn't here reading it. I am sorry i didn't know i am unallowed to post when you say you are not around. Nice deflection, but you can post whenever you want but if you lie about me i'm gonna point it out.
Show me a post from D2 where you have made a town case on eversince and where you debunk the arguments that have been posted on her?
Hell i dont even fucking know why anyone scumreads Eywa????
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I am not deflecting anything, it's you who is doing that.
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On July 07 2019 01:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2019 01:45 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 07 2019 01:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 07 2019 01:43 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 05 2019 23:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
why does everyone say they want to read eversince to contribute bot noone ever does it (trfel/jock)? Also, if you're gonna come at me like that why the fuck were posting this shit after i said i was leaving yesterday. Its a blatant lie! You just ignored it when I pointed out yesterday too I never said I was gonna read ES you're just lying cos you thought i wasn't here reading it. I am sorry i didn't know i am unallowed to post when you say you are not around. Nice deflection, but you can post whenever you want but if you lie about me i'm gonna point it out. Show me a post from D2 where you have made a town case on eversince and where you debunk the arguments that have been posted on her? Hell i dont even fucking know why anyone scumreads Eywa????
*sigh*
Your original post here was:
why does everyone say they want to read eversince to contribute bot noone ever does it (trfel/jock)?
I never said I wanted to read ES to contribute, therefore I never broke my promise to do so. This whole thing is just a lie.
My read on ES is based off the fact that I can't see mafia motivation in her posts. Its also based off the fact I disagree with your case about the thing said about grack that you interpreted one way and ES says she meant a different way.
The reason I'm townreading her now is because from my POV, as I explained yesterday, the only likely teams are you/eywa or ES/trfel and I find you and eywa to be more likely to be mafia.
I don't need to make a town case on ES for that to be true or logical.
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^^^That's what all the stuff where we were trying to figure out likely/possible mafia teams was about that you weren't interested in. To help get better reads.
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On July 02 2019 10:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Idk i am letting this go atm. You have given your pov and it's up to me to decide if i think you're telling the truth or not. Basically this is why I'm scumreading you. I'm on a phone, as I have been the vast majority of the game (why I didn't say I was voting), so posting is a bit harder/slower. So I'm not going to quote your response but off the top of my head:
1. I looked at every single post that Conversion and Grackaroni made in the time windows for the reads you gave. Maybe I quoted the wrong post but I looked at them all, and I still feel like the substance behind the reads is weak and it feels like TMI to me. I could be wrong, but that's my interpretation of what happened.
2. I quoted a list of posts that suggest that shenanigans could happen, from the main thread. You didn't need to look at the voting thread to know that Conversion was gaining a lot of traction. I knew it, I never looked at the voting thread (phone posting). You never mentioned it or anything during that time, it didn't seem to change or affect your play at all. You've given your explanation, I could be wrong but I have a hard time believing it.
3. Again, you gave your explanation, it kinda makes sense for this one. I'm still a bit surprised you would get as mad as you did if you are town but it's whatever.
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On July 06 2019 00:27 Eywa- wrote:
OK, so Rayn is town. lol
I like this post (from yesterday) it kinda came out of nowhere and was never explained.
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On July 07 2019 01:51 Jockmcplop wrote:
I never said I wanted to read ES to contribute, therefore I never broke my promise to do so. This whole thing is just a lie.
I think this is a heavy suggestion towards that:
On July 05 2019 16:28 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2019 16:23 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 05 2019 16:20 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 05 2019 16:18 Eversince wrote:On July 05 2019 16:13 Jockmcplop wrote:
You are literally accusing the only people who are trying to stop you being lynched today of being mafia How..? Pandain isn't mafia that leaves eywa and rayn who voted together for you on day, either that or one of me and trfel must be mafia Me and trfel are trying not to lynch you. This is the situation as I see it from your POV From my POV the following are possible mafia teams Rayn/eywa (my number 1 bet) ES/trfel (Ima die of embarrassment if this is it and I push to lynch rayn) trfel/eywa trfel/rayn (unlikely) Either way by sitting and figuring this out we can come up with strong reasons to lynch someone.
Here you say you want to sit and figure this out but everything after this post you have posted indicates that you made a decision and then made the reasoning "fit" to your already made conclusion. You simply never ever even for a second show any interest of doing what i underlined and bolded in your post. It's not a lie, everyone can go to Jock's filter and read byu themselves.
My read on ES is based off the fact that I can't see mafia motivation in her posts.
But that's not a read, that's just a sentence that sounds nice but doesn't have any proof behind it.
Its also based off the fact I disagree with your case about the thing said about grack that you interpreted one way and ES says she meant a different way.
I couldn't care less how ES expalined her posts. She literally called grack town for the same resons she later on said he can be mafia for. That's never coming from a townie and there is no other explanation for that than she is mafia. Period.
The reason I'm townreading her now is because from my POV, as I explained yesterday, the only likely teams are you/eywa or ES/trfel and I find you and eywa to be more likely to be mafia.
I don't need to make a town case on ES for that to be true or logical.
see here you do this once again. you have decided who is mafia so "therefore ES has to be town". Like ffs, that's not a read, that's just bullshit. What jock is doing here is "because ES is town then the most likely team is rayn+eywa, and that makes ES town". Fucking circular reasoning, why can't anyone see this?
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Plus (for #2) I posted in the thread within 20 minutes of EoD so I thought it was clear I was around. But Pandain and Holyflare missed that so it's whatever. But even if you didn't know I was there, the threat of the wagons getting to 4-4 is clear, and that's worth mentioning or reacting to in some way. Holyflare certainly thought so.
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^ 10 minutes to EoD even. With a clear townread on Eversince.
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