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Trfel
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Eversince
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On July 06 2019 15:50 Trfel wrote: Get some rest Eversince, I should have a nice list of questions for you by morning! I'll be ready!! | ||
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Trfel
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Eversince Edition Disclaimer, I'm largely going to ignore all of the arguing. Partially because it's tedious, mostly because I don't think it means much. I've already looked through at a high level for generic feel and overall flow, and to be honest I liked what I found, but I wanted to take a closer look at the substance behind the reads themselves. Organized by player. on Trfel: + Show Spoiler [Analysis] + On July 02 2019 03:29 Eversince wrote: Pretty early on into the game. Post 61. What had I posted by then? Really just these two posts:Ok! I like Truffles to. On July 02 2019 03:11 Trfel wrote: andNever mind I'm confusing you with someone else. Carry on  I think Eversince is town, discuss? On July 02 2019 03:22 Trfel wrote: As biased as I am (I do love being townread), honestly seems like a pretty easy and substance-less read. But let's see how it gets followed up.Your posts feel so carefree and relaxed and comfortable, which is the complete opposite of your last game as mafia, which felt very rigid and forced. Plus, instead of relying on losing the wifi hotspot and the pre-game excuse, you seem to have redoubled your efforts to engage in the game and be involved. To me that makes a decent townread On July 02 2019 11:31 Eversince wrote: This is post 104, what else had I posted by now? You can look at my filter for yourself, but the answer is a lot of posts explaining my townread of Eversince. Kinda understandable that she would pay more attention to reads on herself, but this still seems suspicious, giving such a strong townread when I've only provided one read. Feels like a bit of TMI. I remember she explained her townread on me later, let's see how that matches what's happened though. Also, I think her reads on other people might be a good indicator of if these easy townreads are characteristic of Eversince's play, or if this just happened because I was townreading her (I know I'm more likely to townread people who townread me, as much as I try to fight it).Yeah ok. Pandain giving Truffles a townread and saying I didn't do anything is just trash! But at least he asnwer me. Conversion is fine for doubting it. He's not dirving an agenda but just doesn't believe, that's ok I think. Truffles is so town it hurts! Why are you guys skeptical on him? I'll be here! who wants to talk? On July 02 2019 11:38 Eversince wrote: Hm, I've only made one conclusion.He's very open on how he comes to conclusions. Look at his filter all game. He's just an open book to me.. What issue am I missing? On July 02 2019 11:46 Eversince wrote: This makes a little more sense. I know Eversince values getting people to talk and getting the thread moving, especially early on, and that is something that I try to do as well. Still suspect but slightly grounded in reality.Ok. But how he got them made sense to me. My mafia/town play is very different. I have a very hard time to play as mafia. Coming to the conclusion I am town because I'm in thread, engaging with people, and trying to get things moving at the start of day is ok I think. He's not pushing anything because of his read on me so where is he trying to take it if he's m!Truffles right now? on Pandain: + Show Spoiler [Analysis] + On July 02 2019 03:46 Eversince wrote: Fair, even if I don't necessarily agree with this being super suspicious I understand why it could seem that way to someone. The real question is, is the followup there?You giving him t!Truffle but null reading me when his only post is t!ES is what I'm having a hard time with in that scenario. Why is it ok to put him as strong townread, have me as no idea? On July 02 2019 11:31 Eversince wrote: Yeah ok. Pandain giving Truffles a townread and saying I didn't do anything is just trash! But at least he asnwer me. Conversion is fine for doubting it. He's not dirving an agenda but just doesn't believe, that's ok I think. Truffles is so town it hurts! Why are you guys skeptical on him? I'll be here! who wants to talk? On July 02 2019 13:16 Eversince wrote: The same read as previously shared, really.I don't like Pandain's weird Truffle town read. It would be fine but putting Truffles town and me null at that early was just weird. I get why he says I'd be 'forced' to be active but at least I'm trying. I'm very obvious to just ask if you want me to explain anything. So giving Truffles a town read and nulling me when I am around is just.. off. On July 02 2019 13:20 Eversince wrote: That makes a lot more sense.To clarify Pandain problem: If you give Truffles town read there and someone your not sure about is known to be active, why not just try to get a better read on them? The fact he didn't bother to interact is bigger issue to me I think. I don't want to spend all of day 1 tunneled on Pandain though. What are your thoughts? On July 02 2019 15:22 Eversince wrote: And after a bit of discussion:You can vote me I don't care! I 'seriously' believe that you gave Truffles a town read for doing the exact same thing I was trying to do. But I'm null. (I don't care if you want to read me mafia, but don't use reasons you yourself used to town somebody)! I don't mean I deserve anything. I'm just pushing at walls trying to get thread moving,engage with people and bounce ideas. The fact you think that's questionable is serious concerning. Let's talk though Pand I don't want to waste half this game tunneled on you if you are town. On July 02 2019 15:51 Eversince wrote: This is good follow-up! Continued to talk about the Pandain suspicion, then brought it up to Pandain, they talk about it, and are able to reach (to some extent anyway) a resolution! Feels like trying to figure out alignments to me.No Pand, that actually makes lots of sense and makes me feel better about you! While your here have thoughts on everyone else? How about my Conv point? On July 02 2019 16:46 Eversince wrote: Continuing to follow up, moving towards a tentative town read on Pandain it seems due to lack of mafia motivation and similarities to Pandain's previous (town) game. Makes sense, even if I don't entirely agree with the mafia motivation point.Bleh Pand seems to me the same as last game. I don't understand his logic and I'm 'ok' with his reasons for Truffles/ES read now, it took me a long time to get there. I'm not vesting into Pand real hard because last game I spent the entire time thinking he was mafia, he turned up town. I think there could be mafia motivation behind the vote on me. I'll have to think on that. I'm real ditsy, easy to misunderstand, and don't pick up on people real fast. But it's not like he tried to start a wagon so where is mafia Pandain trying to take the easy shot here? On July 02 2019 17:03 Eversince wrote: And Jockmcplop makes a solid point, about the mafia motivation for Pandain's play versus the town motivation. Eversince takes note and is suspicious of Pandain again. Once again this makes sense, but is the follow-up there?That's are actually good points. It's a toss away vote which can gain traction later (If he actually thinks I'm scum here for it why not talk to me?), which is either terrible town or mafia agenda. -sigh- I might have to tunnel Pand again this whole game. Hopefully he's actually mafia. On July 03 2019 01:35 Eversince wrote: And a few posts about actively trying to avoid talking about Pandain due to being tunneled on town Pandain the previous game. Makes sense, understandable.Sadly it's probably in the lurker pile. Ewya isn't even playing. FF ask for a replace though so maby that's the problem. Wouldn't lynch. HF hasn't been useful but it will correct itself soon. Pand seems fishy to me but I always waffle on him. On July 03 2019 06:19 Eversince wrote: Fairly accurate summary.Yes Pandain. I spent the whole last game we played waffling on you reasoning. I don't want that to be an issue for this one! I understood one point you made to say I'm lying is kind of trash. I got what you where trying to say, other people posted some stuff, I start to waffle Pandain again. That's why you not in my lynch pool today I much rather go Conv/Ewya for what I posted already. on Conversion: + Show Spoiler [Analysis] + On July 02 2019 13:16 Eversince wrote: Non-commital, bleh. But again, what is the follow-up to this?Conversion entrance seemed bleh. But I see what he was saying now. Using 4 year meta read is kind of bad. But sadly, I don't play as much anymore. Conv pointing it out, giving a decent reason for it, not commenting on the rest of game.. That seems questionable to me. There wasn't much content (still not) but I'll decide on that when I see how he actually plays! On July 02 2019 13:25 Eversince wrote: Makes sense. That's a valid point, and something worth being suspicious of.Actually thinking on that Conversion is really kind of bleh. Maby it's time issue. Coming in, throwing an easy valid point, and fucking right back off is scary to me. On July 02 2019 13:44 Eversince wrote: The problem with Conversion is that he came in, rehashed a valid point, ignored the rest of the thread and left. On July 02 2019 16:28 Eversince wrote: Is this really a lynch-worthy reason though? Worth being suspicious of but I don't feel it's lynch worthy at all. Hm...I need to figure who to vote for. I'd be fine with Conv for reasons I already said. Grack would be ok but rather not, if he's town he'll start playing. Or we just lynch into lurkers. Which is also trash. On July 02 2019 18:37 Eversince wrote: And a few other posts saying similar things. But it seems like Eversince is noticing this suspicious pattern (saying one valid thing and leaving) in Conversions's play and is suspicious of his play as a whole because of this pattern, which makes some sense (see here).Ok. I read through his filter from that game real fast. Posting style seems very different from here. I'm ok with lynching you (e/n: Conversion) for coming into thread, saying 1 perfect valid thing, ignoring the rest of the thread, fucking right off. Don't misunderstand me  ! I give Grack a pass because I've on/off played with him 4 years now and expect this type of thing.=I'm not going to immediately scum read you. on Grackaroni: + Show Spoiler [Analysis] + On July 02 2019 13:26 Eversince wrote: I think Grack is just being usual Grack again. On July 02 2019 13:44 Eversince wrote: Hint of TMI, but it's not really a townread, it's just a refusal to lynch Day 1. Really it feels more like Eversince is trying to keep her options open. But overall it's an understandable viewpoint IMO.I think your point about both are fine. Rayn generally will push hard, but not get irate with you, if he thinks your doing something. If he isn't sure he's not going to try to put you on a stick and burn you. The problem with Conversion is that he came in, rehashed a valid point, ignored the rest of the thread and left. Grack's just a special one. He's got a funny personal attitude. I'm not wanting to lynch him today. He'll pick up and engage like he did last game or then we can lynch. But he's not trying to move us anywhere. Which is trash town play. But m!Grack wants to lead town to do stupid things. On July 02 2019 18:37 Eversince wrote: Ok. I read through his filter from that game real fast. Posting style seems very different from here. I'm ok with lynching you for coming into thread, saying 1 perfect valid thing, ignoring the rest of the thread, fucking right off. Don't misunderstand me ! I give Grack a pass because I've on/off played with him 4 years now and expect this type of thing.=I'm not going to immediately scum read you. On July 03 2019 17:44 Eversince wrote: Decent followup, makes sense and is true to what Eversince said earlier. However, she keeps her vote on Eywa-, who she is heavily scumreading at this time. Makes a lot of sense.I've already said what I feel about Grack. His poor contribution after I defend him so hard is bleh though. I'd be ok with lynching him to be honest. On July 04 2019 20:53 Eversince wrote: Followup makes sense, could still be mafia setting up tentatively for an easy mislynch though.Yeah, Pand is strait useless.. Grack I expected to be but the fact he is still is is super meh. Ewya is still scummy for stuff I said before. but w/e let's look at the game. Rayn not having a read on me yet is starting to worry me. t!Rayn could be waffled here but m!Rayn would just want free point when t!ES lynched Conv the parity cop. on Holyflare: + Show Spoiler [Analysis] + On July 03 2019 02:50 Eversince wrote: Post 357. What had Holyflare done to warrant this? A point on Pandain, a point on Trfel, a point on Eversince, then a push onto Eversince for the Holyflare mafia meta thing. Seems a bit weak to suddenly jump from a null/afk read to a townread, almost feels like she is trying to appease Holyflare by praising his play and townreading him. Hm...But you are clearly now showing I wasn't wrong to do it anyway because your being super town. So Wrong reason, same result! On July 04 2019 04:01 Eversince wrote: @HF I can't explain this any better. I DID answer you. Your COMPLETELY IGNORING it. I don't make huge cases anymore. I've JUST gave you two other people I have made issues with. You push me for doing what I just did. Are you just scum HF? On July 04 2019 13:30 Eversince wrote: Fair enough.Rayn please.. Then I try to talk with HF to see if m!HF is just pushing off on easy ES lynch. I like his responses though so I don't think he's mafia for it. On July 04 2019 14:09 Eversince wrote: Not sure exactly why, but there was definitely some discussion here, it makes some sense.I was curious because m!HF can push t!ES there super easy. He was early but didn't vote me until later. I thought it was opportunistic! I had a meta read on HF (That I'm lynch with fire yesterday), wasn't ENITRELY wrong to have though becauses here HF playing townie! I get why he would not like my meta read when I can't prove it. I wanted to make sure m!HF isn't pushing easy town lynch. So I talked to him. He still wants to lynch me and I feel like his reason is crap but I think it's more likely t!HF here is trying to reach for straws than m!HF kill the easiest town! I get how he got there and I felt for a second there he wash pushing on me for easy reasons..That's why I said I don't think it's coming from m!HF but you can't say his read there isn't weak in reasons. on raynpellikoneet: + Show Spoiler [Analysis] + On July 03 2019 03:09 Eversince wrote: Meh I think HF isn't scum for his points. Rayn just seems to be tumbling his brain.. Which is towny to me in the sense he's trying to figure things out. Conv I have issues with that I posted before. And Ewya is bothering me too. I need to think on her more yet. on Eywa-: + Show Spoiler [Analysis] + On July 03 2019 04:28 Eversince wrote: Fair. This is post 384, before Eywa- posted their reasons for scumreading Eversince. This read makes plenty of sense.Okok, I can stay and work home tonight (hopefully).. The biggest problem here Ewya is you just want to kill me. I'm easy vote at this point. It's a toss out vote to look townie so why? You can't be bothered to explain much else. That looks weird to me. That makes life hard though if you are scum over lost town. I'll have to filter again.. When Eywa- does post their reasons for scumreading Eversince, Eversince addresses those reasons, doesn't like them, and votes for Eywa-. I don't feel like diving into it, you can start here if you would like to do so. I don't feel like this is terribly alignment indicative for Eversince either way. On July 03 2019 13:53 Eversince wrote: Ewya every post you make makes me think your more mafia. Your play here makes absolute no sense. Conclusion: Some posts seem to be suspicious, some posts really feel like Eversince is trying to figure out players' alignments. Pretty mixed bag. This makes me lean towards Eversince being town due to tone, meta, and not knowing Holyflare died or how many lynches were still needed. Probably the most interesting thing I found was that Eversince had posted a lot more reads on players than I had expected, many of them with original thought (whether you agree or disagree). And most of the read transitions make sense. @Eversince: 1. Why did you townread me (Trfel) early on? It feels like you townread me really, really easily, all I had to do was say I thought you were town. And you have never really backed down from this read all game. It feels a bit like TMI, or like you're trying to buddy me? 2. What exactly about Conversion made him lynch-worthy to you? I get that being absent for long periods and posting thoughts sporadically and not really interacting with the thread is suspicious, but is that alone really worthy of a lynch? Was it a pattern of behavior or just the first time that you noticed? If a pattern of behavior, how did that change as Conversion posted more? | ||
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Trfel
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I figure if the game keeps going after this next lynch there will be more time to figure out who the last mafia is! I'll be up just a little longer if anyone wants to talk. | ||
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Pandain
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I'll be reading the thread in about 7 hours | ||
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Trfel
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On July 06 2019 17:35 Pandain wrote: Meaning you just got engaged?Hey! Had my engagement party yesterday and busy teaching for the next six hours, main reason I was afk. I'll be reading the thread in about 7 hours If so, congrats dude, that's awesome! Look forward to seeing what you have to say! Kinda up to you at this point. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On July 06 2019 09:36 Trfel wrote: Makes me wonder if raynpelikoneet really is the best lynch today, everything else aside. Though if we are going to lynch him anyway part of me just wants to get it over with, no sense prolonging losing; but I need to think. And please correct me if any of the associative reads I made are wrong or weak. What does this mean? It doesn't even make any sense. On July 06 2019 14:45 Trfel wrote: Oh and I keep meaning to add, @raynpelikoneet, I tried my absolute hardest to interpret your filter and figure out which posts your townreads came from. One of my long spoilered posts has the logic of why I figured it was the posts it was. I can reevaluate given what you have said now, to the best of my abilities. and when will this happen? you keep saying you're going to do this but then you do something else. | ||
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On July 06 2019 13:55 Eversince wrote: I still think Eywa is scum for reasons I said before. The Jock/Rayn interaction makes no sense if they are a team. I think t!Jock here still makes sense and m!Rayn is pushing weak reasons. Eywa hard defending Rayn only makes sense if Eywa already knows it's between t!ES/ m!Rayn so leaving one of us alive will make people waffle the entire game and town loses. Eversince here talking like Trfel is town, which she shouldn't assume since Trfel can be mafia with anyone in this game, or should be in ES's mind. Nut because ES is talkign to Trfel she just leaves Trfel out of her analysis. | ||
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On July 06 2019 09:36 Trfel wrote: Eywa- and Eversince probably aren't mafia together because they've been pushing each other all game. Raynpelikoneet and Jockmcplop probably aren't mafia together because the double bus here would be completely unnecessary. Raynpelikoneet and Eversince probably aren't mafia together because raynpelikoneet has been pushing Eversince so long and she didn't give up. To be honest I could kinda see this one but probably not so I'll ignore it for now. Leaves raynpelikoneet and Eywa-, Jockmcplop and Eywa-, and Jockmcplop and Eversince. Makes me wonder if raynpelikoneet really is the best lynch today, everything else aside. Though if we are going to lynch him anyway part of me just wants to get it over with, no sense prolonging losing; but I need to think. And please correct me if any of the associative reads I made are wrong or weak. I am going to challenge this. In your mind i can only be mafia with Eywa, meaning if i am mafia Eywa is ALWAYS mafia, so why are you lynching me? Like you're choosing to lynch a player you aren't sure is mafia but if they are another player is ALWAYS mafia. That said another player also fits into another mafia team. Why are you doing this? Because "let's just get over with it"? | ||
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Eversince
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World where m!Truffles hammers away from me onto Conv then Truffles/me. But nothing in his filter makes him mafia. Prove otherwise.. This is why I'm thinking you are mafia more bunches because you just say this useless thing and ignore other thing. | ||
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@Eversince: 1. Why did you townread me (Trfel) early on? It feels like you townread me really, really easily, all I had to do was say I thought you were town. And you have never really backed down from this read all game. It feels a bit like TMI, or like you're trying to buddy me? I was trying to push the game into moving super early. You acted on it. Everything you did gave town vibes. You're activity has been bleh but at least when you are here your actually trying to solve the game still. So I wrote you off early, I'm still happy with that now, so why lynch Truffles? Makes no sense!! 2. What exactly about Conversion made him lynch-worthy to you? I get that being absent for long periods and posting thoughts sporadically and not really interacting with the thread is suspicious, but is that alone really worthy of a lynch? Was it a pattern of behavior or just the first time that you noticed? If a pattern of behavior, how did that change as Conversion posted more? My mind says that Conv just came into thread to dump easy vote on ES because I was gaining traction there! He never explained WHY he thought I'm mafia. Then shenanigans happen and I don't want town mislynch. I literally thought I died at d1 lynch.. Your vote saved me. So unless me and you are mafia together (I said before I'm town so I know this isn't true) that makes you town. Even if we are really wrong sadly but -shrug- town does stupid things all the time and mistakes don't make you mafia! | ||
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On July 06 2019 19:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am going to challenge this. In your mind i can only be mafia with Eywa, meaning if i am mafia Eywa is ALWAYS mafia, so why are you lynching me? Like you're choosing to lynch a player you aren't sure is mafia but if they are another player is ALWAYS mafia. That said another player also fits into another mafia team. Why are you doing this? Because "let's just get over with it"? Literally lynching between you and me PROVES Eywa is mafia. Unless your mafia with Jock, not possible I think.. So your being super dense here! | ||
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Eversince
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! I'm laying back down now! | ||
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Pandain
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Also if ES ends up being scum and I didn't lynch her I would singlehandedly have lost this game, so there's that. | ||
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