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On July 07 2019 02:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2019 01:51 Jockmcplop wrote:
I never said I wanted to read ES to contribute, therefore I never broke my promise to do so. This whole thing is just a lie. I think this is a heavy suggestion towards that: Show nested quote +On July 05 2019 16:28 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 05 2019 16:23 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 05 2019 16:20 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 05 2019 16:18 Eversince wrote:On July 05 2019 16:13 Jockmcplop wrote:
You are literally accusing the only people who are trying to stop you being lynched today of being mafia How..? Pandain isn't mafia that leaves eywa and rayn who voted together for you on day, either that or one of me and trfel must be mafia Me and trfel are trying not to lynch you. This is the situation as I see it from your POV From my POV the following are possible mafia teams Rayn/eywa (my number 1 bet) ES/trfel (Ima die of embarrassment if this is it and I push to lynch rayn) trfel/eywa trfel/rayn (unlikely) Either way by sitting and figuring this out we can come up with strong reasons to lynch someone. Here you say you want to sit and figure this out but everything after this post you have posted indicates that you made a decision and then made the reasoning "fit" to your already made conclusion. You simply never ever even for a second show any interest of doing what i underlined and bolded in your post. It's not a lie, everyone can go to Jock's filter and read byu themselves. Show nested quote +My read on ES is based off the fact that I can't see mafia motivation in her posts. But that's not a read, that's just a sentence that sounds nice but doesn't have any proof behind it. Show nested quote +Its also based off the fact I disagree with your case about the thing said about grack that you interpreted one way and ES says she meant a different way. I couldn't care less how ES expalined her posts. She literally called grack town for the same resons she later on said he can be mafia for. That's never coming from a townie and there is no other explanation for that than she is mafia. Period. Show nested quote +The reason I'm townreading her now is because from my POV, as I explained yesterday, the only likely teams are you/eywa or ES/trfel and I find you and eywa to be more likely to be mafia.
I don't need to make a town case on ES for that to be true or logical.
see here you do this once again. you have decided who is mafia so "therefore ES has to be town". Like ffs, that's not a read, that's just bullshit. What jock is doing here is "because ES is town then the most likely team is rayn+eywa, and that makes ES town". Fucking circular reasoning, why can't anyone see this?
That whole first section is such absolute horseshit i don't know where to start. After I said that we literally carried on trying to figure the game out. So that didn't involve a big town read post on ES? No, it didn't involve a townread post on trfel either. To take that post as a promise that I would make a town read post on ES is fucking stupid rayn. You are reading one thing and telling yourself it means something completely different. I don't know why you do this, but its exactly what you did with ES earlier too.
There's no circular reasoning involved. The reason I think you are more likely to be mafia than ES is because of your posts, your lack of interest in solving the game etc. etc. all the stuff i already said.
I don't have any kind of read like that on ES, and given that only one of you is mafia, that makes ES town. There's no reason why this is circular logic unless again, you are reading one thing and telling yourself it means something else.
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On July 07 2019 01:55 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2019 10:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Idk i am letting this go atm. You have given your pov and it's up to me to decide if i think you're telling the truth or not. Basically this is why I'm scumreading you. I'm on a phone, as I have been the vast majority of the game (why I didn't say I was voting), so posting is a bit harder/slower. So I'm not going to quote your response but off the top of my head: 1. I looked at every single post that Conversion and Grackaroni made in the time windows for the reads you gave. Maybe I quoted the wrong post but I looked at them all, and I still feel like the substance behind the reads is weak and it feels like TMI to me. I could be wrong, but that's my interpretation of what happened. 2. I quoted a list of posts that suggest that shenanigans could happen, from the main thread. You didn't need to look at the voting thread to know that Conversion was gaining a lot of traction. I knew it, I never looked at the voting thread (phone posting). You never mentioned it or anything during that time, it didn't seem to change or affect your play at all. You've given your explanation, I could be wrong but I have a hard time believing it. 3. Again, you gave your explanation, it kinda makes sense for this one. I'm still a bit surprised you would get as mad as you did if you are town but it's whatever.
1. I simply read people like i do, i do that every single game i have ever played. And every single game someone doesn't understand my reads and i get called mafia for it. Funnily enough i am well aware of that and i don't actually do that as mafia, because i know i might get scumread for it. As mafia i just post what people want to hear. I simply have no reason as mafia to read Grackaroni or Conversion as town. Well maybe conversion yeah because he agreed with what i was thinking at the time and was pushing my top scumread. But that should make me even less mafia because it makes perfect sense, and should make perfect sense to everyone that i townread Conversion.
2. You weren't around and i didn't think it will happen. I have said many times in many games i don't reads the voting thread unless i go to vote, because i expect people to not ninja since i don't think that's fair. I hate voting threads. If you lynch me because i didn't read the voting thread or because you gave no notification about yourself and i should somehow assume you are around i will stop playing this game and never ever play another game. That's regardless of what my affiliation in this game is so even if you think i am mafia you can take that as a fact. Furthermore i did what i think was necessary. I explained why i did say things and why i didn't. That's it, maybe you should stop doign those shennies since the day phase is 48 hours and not 2 minutes.
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Trying to confuse everyone by misinterpreting everything and then going on long rants about it is a great way to play as scum though, because it wastes so much time in "You mean this" "no I don't mean that" arguments that go on for pages. Just as you did with ES one night 1.
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I would never ever "intentionally afk" as mafia at the eod because trying to "figure out who to lynch" between there is the fucking easiest place to look good without any setbacks lol. The whole argument that it makes me mafia is jsut very very wrong.
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I am going to ignore jock because he is mafia and i am getting angry at him rn.
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I don't know i don't really have anything else to say and the game is making me angry so i am gonna step aside and just come see who pandain decides to vote. I am not mafia.
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I'm not lynching you because you didn't know I was around. Even if I wasn't around it was worth reacting to and if you are town I'd be highly surprised that you didn't.
But really I don't want to argue about this any more. I've said what I have to say, you've said what you have to say. I'll keep thinking about it but really I'll just wait to see what Pandain thinks and act accordingly.
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This is what i did at the deadline:
On July 04 2019 04:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 04:12 Grackaroni wrote:On July 04 2019 03:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 04 2019 03:54 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm up for burying Conversion though. Why is Conversion mafia? His entrance looks uncomfortable to me. Hiis first post that I originally liked was focusing on ES repeatedly making meta reads on me and saying she doesn't want to tunnel on Pandain, which are both weird things but not things that are more likely to come from mafia ES than town ES. Then he has a big post bothering Pandain for having him as a null read while saying that he would lynch him, which wasn't a contradiction. Then he says that ES isn't trying hard enough to lynch him and that she's only mentioned him 13 times. Then there's more complaining about Pandain pushing him. And then he came back for more complaining about ES pushing him. Conversion is really good at getting town reads from making emotional posts, but I haven't really seen anything to make me think that he's trying to solve the game, and I have a pretty big circle of town reads already so I think he's a good vote. The first two things i think are actually "reads". Other stuff (aside from the last sentence) is just what Conversion has posted. I mean you can't really say "conversion posted this and that, he's mafia", that's not really a read. My problem is the first two things (the read ones) were posted before you EVER mention Conversion in your filter, and youu only do it once, and you call him your strongest town read. So what gives? I could understand last sentence as PoE but since your read on him (based on your filter) was almost confirmed town i don't understand how he flips on your scum side of reads? I understand you can possibly change opinion ans hit when you read more but to me nothing in your filter rn indicates i should believe what you say here.
defending conv.
On July 04 2019 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 04:19 Pandain wrote:On July 04 2019 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 03 2019 23:32 Holyflare wrote:On July 03 2019 23:19 Trfel wrote:On July 03 2019 01:09 Eversince wrote:
And I've played with HF a few times over the years. He's stupid good mafia player. If he's town he'll figure things out! Go look at his massive list of games to look. Like he can be wrong but mafia almost always shoot into the vets on this site (HF/Rayn/Marv etc..etc.) @Raynpelikoneet, is the bolded the thing you are using to scumread Eversince? Because to me, Eversince is saying here that Holyflare is good at mafia as a game, not as an alignment. She also clarified that she meant I'm good at mafia rather than the mafia alignment. I know she did but do you believe that's the truth? I don't. That was everyone's interpetation of the comment except you. You're the only one reading it otherwise. Also, it's clear that he meant the game and not the alignment because she specifically says "if he's town he'll figure it out" right after. It wouldn't be very sensical if she was referring to the mafia alignment and then said hes a good town player. that's not my point. my point is noone says "good at the game" unless the player in consideration is also good as mafia, because people who are only good as town are not good mafia players.
stuff on es
On July 04 2019 04:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I get that i am probably overreacting, i just hate when someone is for example called out for lying and they say "but i just did it because the sky is red" and people go woaaah must be town, nothing wrong with that, look they gave an EXPLANATION, when i n fact the whole explanation doesn't make any fucking sense at all.
stuff on es
On July 04 2019 04:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 04:23 Holyflare wrote:On July 04 2019 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 04 2019 04:19 Pandain wrote:On July 04 2019 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 03 2019 23:32 Holyflare wrote:On July 03 2019 23:19 Trfel wrote:On July 03 2019 01:09 Eversince wrote:
And I've played with HF a few times over the years. He's stupid good mafia player. If he's town he'll figure things out! Go look at his massive list of games to look. Like he can be wrong but mafia almost always shoot into the vets on this site (HF/Rayn/Marv etc..etc.) @Raynpelikoneet, is the bolded the thing you are using to scumread Eversince? Because to me, Eversince is saying here that Holyflare is good at mafia as a game, not as an alignment. She also clarified that she meant I'm good at mafia rather than the mafia alignment. I know she did but do you believe that's the truth? I don't. That was everyone's interpetation of the comment except you. You're the only one reading it otherwise. Also, it's clear that he meant the game and not the alignment because she specifically says "if he's town he'll figure it out" right after. It wouldn't be very sensical if she was referring to the mafia alignment and then said hes a good town player. that's not my point. my point is noone says "good at the game" unless the player in consideration is also good as mafia, because people who are only good as town are not good mafia players. Even I think this point is a stretch my dude. I've seen plenty of people say that. I could possibly believe her if she didnt try to prove her oiint with something that doesnt exist. Thats why i think she is making shit up on the fly.
more stuff on es.
I am not sure what i should have done? Mindlessly saying "conversion is town" or "es is mafia" doesn't accomplish anything so i am genuinely confused about what i "should have done"? 
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As much as I try and think about things and use logic, I'm a feeling type personality (Myers-Briggs F). The way I live my life and make my decisions is ultimately based off of feelings, that's how I am as a person and I can't change it.
Same with mafia. I try and think about things and play logically but ultimately I have to go with my gut because that's just who I am and how I make decisions. And I didn't get the feeling that you were invested in the lynch at End of Day, that you cared. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you think making decisions based off of feelings is stupid (heck, I certainly do, been trying for years to change it). But at least until there is new information/Pandain shares his thoughts/my feelings change, that's the way it has to be.
And hey, sometimes my feelings are right too. I've had a few impressive streaks of good games/reads in the past. Maybe this isn't one of them, and if I am wrong I truly am sorry, but I gave it my best.
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If you want a logical reason, look at Holyflare's filter in the last 8 minutes of Day 1. To me there is a noticeable difference in investment in the lynch and caring about what happens.
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And if you really don't like it, I'm just playing mafia to have fun and kill time during unemployment. And I have a temp job starting July 22, so this'll be my last mafia game for a while, maybe a very long while. So you won't have to deal with me or my playstyle after this, promise.
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On July 07 2019 02:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2019 01:55 Trfel wrote:On July 02 2019 10:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Idk i am letting this go atm. You have given your pov and it's up to me to decide if i think you're telling the truth or not. Basically this is why I'm scumreading you. I'm on a phone, as I have been the vast majority of the game (why I didn't say I was voting), so posting is a bit harder/slower. So I'm not going to quote your response but off the top of my head: 1. I looked at every single post that Conversion and Grackaroni made in the time windows for the reads you gave. Maybe I quoted the wrong post but I looked at them all, and I still feel like the substance behind the reads is weak and it feels like TMI to me. I could be wrong, but that's my interpretation of what happened. 2. I quoted a list of posts that suggest that shenanigans could happen, from the main thread. You didn't need to look at the voting thread to know that Conversion was gaining a lot of traction. I knew it, I never looked at the voting thread (phone posting). You never mentioned it or anything during that time, it didn't seem to change or affect your play at all. You've given your explanation, I could be wrong but I have a hard time believing it. 3. Again, you gave your explanation, it kinda makes sense for this one. I'm still a bit surprised you would get as mad as you did if you are town but it's whatever. 1. I simply read people like i do, i do that every single game i have ever played. And every single game someone doesn't understand my reads and i get called mafia for it. Funnily enough i am well aware of that and i don't actually do that as mafia, because i know i might get scumread for it. As mafia i just post what people want to hear. I simply have no reason as mafia to read Grackaroni or Conversion as town. Well maybe conversion yeah because he agreed with what i was thinking at the time and was pushing my top scumread. But that should make me even less mafia because it makes perfect sense, and should make perfect sense to everyone that i townread Conversion.2. You weren't around and i didn't think it will happen. I have said many times in many games i don't reads the voting thread unless i go to vote, because i expect people to not ninja since i don't think that's fair. I hate voting threads. If you lynch me because i didn't read the voting thread or because you gave no notification about yourself and i should somehow assume you are around i will stop playing this game and never ever play another game. That's regardless of what my affiliation in this game is so even if you think i am mafia you can take that as a fact. Furthermore i did what i think was necessary. I explained why i did say things and why i didn't. That's it, maybe you should stop doign those shennies since the day phase is 48 hours and not 2 minutes.
I'm just going to point out your hard stance becuase "ES lynch Parity cop Conv make mafia when you say things like this are a direct contradiction when I did exact same thing D1.
I'm trying to catch up guys!!
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On July 07 2019 02:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I would never ever "intentionally afk" as mafia at the eod because trying to "figure out who to lynch" between there is the fucking easiest place to look good without any setbacks lol. The whole argument that it makes me mafia is jsut very very wrong.
Fair.. This is actually a really good point! But m!Rayn can make it easy because if it was TvsTvsT it means nothing.
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@Pandain
I'd be super happy with Eywa lynch but this game is going to go on forever if Rayn/me survives ! We can lynch Eywa but then people are going to waffle all game and mafia will still probably win. So we should just solve this here and flip Rayn/me.
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@Rayn
Your proving my point here by coming back in, shitting up the thread with Jock. Like if you want him lynched here FUCKING PUSH FOR IT. Instead we get 'oh your idiot and that makes you scum'!
Just derailing the thread over and over serves no purpose. which I myself do all the time (Because I'm a comeplete dits brain who just is happy to talk with people) and I try to at least realize it when I'm doing it. But your doing it and insisting everyone just follow you.
By flipping you or me game is basic solved. What is so hard to understand about this? If you think I'm scum you hard push ES. Your voting for me but not really trying to convince Pand (decider) to do it. The only reason not to do that is your scum..
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Ok! caught up! I will try my bestest to stay around until deadline!
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Vote Count
Eversince: (3) Raynpelikoneet, Pandain, Eywa-
Raynpelikoneet: (3) Jockmcplop, Eversince, Trfel
Not voting (0):
currently Eversince is set to be lynched with 3 votes
until deadline. (Saturday, Jul 06 7:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00))
voting is mandatory.
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@Pand your deciding here so make the right choice! Vote Rayn!
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If I made trip to get this stupid hotspot just to die anyway I'm be super mad!!
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I'm gonna stay where I am for right now.
I'm more confident in Rayn than ES.
We will have to see what happens
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