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On July 04 2019 21:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:Also HF, i would also want an aswer to this: Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 18:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you remember es posting "afk excuses" vefore the es/grack thing in this game and if she did, why wasnt that in your case since you think its scummy? You said you don't remember. You however posted this: Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 17:26 Holyflare wrote:On July 04 2019 17:10 Holyflare wrote:On July 04 2019 03:02 Eversince wrote:
Looks like I'm die..
I'm try to catch up but I have to go take care of animals. No promises.
It was after this post which was essentially an afk excuse when under pressure. Keep seeing them every time I bring up a case or valid points on her. EVERY TIME there is a valid point or case an excuse comes out. It doesn't matter if she posts more after it, feeling the need to post it is scummy imo. Especially if you stay! On July 04 2019 17:22 Holyflare wrote:On July 04 2019 17:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am pretty sure ES doesnt make afk excuses based purely on her filter size. No she makes plenty of them and then responds to points which is imo worse because it looks like an excuse to leave at any point. It's unnecessary and a bad habit for mafia. Either way it reinvigorated my want to lynch her until she actually responded. If you think this is solely why I wanted to lynch Eversince and this is what you think made me solely keep my vote on her then you're either terrible or mafia. It's way better to keep pressure on someone that I have a case on and instill the fear of a lynch in them than vote grack who has done nothing. Every time there is a valid point or a case[...] But you didn't even remember if she did that when you made your original case. I would instantly buy your explanation if that happened before in this game AND you had remembered it and explained it with that, but you didn't. Also the lower part of the quote; I was looking for that post when i wrote my big post and couldn't find it for some reason. But doesn't this contradict solely the fact you even said you wanted to lynch Grack in the first place? Like idk why do you say that? Do you think Grack will fall and GRACK (lol you get it?  ) under pressure if you just say you might want to lynch him? If you actually meant to pressure Grack as you say, i think your follow up on Grack isn't really townie as per my bullet point list.
I don't know how to explain it and I don't really know if I wrote "my cases" or cases in general but every time I see some really good points in my mind while skimming I see ES having to dash off - even if she stays and answers briefly. I can't explain if it's true or not and maybe it happened and was accurate or didn't happen but it's synonymous in my mind with good points and afk excuses. Can I explain it if it's wrong? No, and I'll look bad. It's just what I had in the back of my head and why it isn't in any case. I have no reason to lie about this at all in any alignment. If I'm mafia I have no need to make up an excuse to vote Eversince for posting an afk excuse when I can just reference any of her other points in the next page as reasons. It's just the truth and whether it's accurate or not doesn't really matter if it's what I believed at the time. The main reason that the vote stayed is because I thought it was REALLY convenient to be the leading wagon with outstanding points on you and say "I don't have much time gotta dash soon!"
The last point I'm not really sure what you're saying. I was going to vote Grack, put him in the lead and then ES returned, posted that post and I left my vote on there with the option to vote Grack and my intention to vote Grack made really clear. Then literally the NEXT page ES starting spouting lies and all semblance of wanting to vote Grack went out of the window when all I cared about was someone lying and most likely being mafia.
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On July 04 2019 22:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 21:59 Eversince wrote:
Converstion came from no where because HF wanted a wagon people would be happy with.
I already said what I felt on Conv, and I'm not mafia so I 1)lynched into my scum reads 2)saved t!ES.
shut up already HF had NOTHING to do with lynching Conversion.
Know what I think that is fair. I'm confusing points again. I filtered HF again and can't a darn thing about it.
Man I'm just get myself mislynched this game  !
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Do I even believe ES is mafia anymore? Yeah, my brain does because everything she posts seems to be a lie.
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My heart isn't really in it and I think she's probably town from tone alone and it's a bit depressing but you should never trust your heart so I'm going to ignore it in the hunt for information on everyone else.
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I don't think Jock is mafia, I don't think Rayn is mafia. I probably don't think Eywa is mafia.
Trfel is really just a person that exists... I remember liking his posts when he posts them but he's so background and he ninja voted at deadline.
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I am trying to weigh where your vote should be (or go) on how you reacted to things at that time and how i think you SHOULD react as town in my mind. It is not 100% clear to me where your vote should go. Can you point out me the first post when you got home or somewhere where you had actual time to be properly involved with the game last night?
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On July 04 2019 21:59 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 21:57 Holyflare wrote:
The optimal lynch tomorrow is really very likely Grack over everyone else. He shenaniganed away from ES, he has posted almost nothing, he's literally the only one in the game who hasn't weighed in on anything the entire night, he only comes in to make random comments about pandain dying without having read the thread and leaving again. It's terrible mafia play but it's effective. I have no respect for you Grack. This is 100% what I want. If Grack is mafia, that's awesome. If he happens to be town, it means ES is almost certainly town imo. And the last mafia is Eywa or HF. I know I've been pushing you a little bit, but I think this whole puzzle actually starts with knowing Grack's alignment.
I know my alignment and it hasn't helped me with the puzzle.
On July 04 2019 21:57 Holyflare wrote:
The optimal lynch tomorrow is really very likely Grack over everyone else. He shenaniganed away from ES, he has posted almost nothing, he's literally the only one in the game who hasn't weighed in on anything the entire night, he only comes in to make random comments about pandain dying without having read the thread and leaving again. It's terrible mafia play but it's effective. I have no respect for you Grack.
You're being a bigger ass than I am.
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Rayn what are your thoughts on trfel?
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What I don't get HF is you literally said it was a meta read I got wrong you m!ES for.
Then I prodded you to talk, you scum me for that too. But I did it because I could see m!HF trying to kill the t!ES that has a lot of pressure and is going to drop like a stone Friday. I felt better after our conversations though. I don't really agree with what you think but I could see how you made it there.Now you're saying I don't even understand so it's back to 'let's start a storm with ES so I can make her look scum'.
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On July 04 2019 22:17 Jockmcplop wrote:
Rayn what are your thoughts on trfel?
I only ask because the last time you mentioned him you said you could lynch him but then a few minutes later said you didn't think he was mafia so I'm just trying to get straight on where you are on that.
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I'm quite annoyed at you HF.
I don't want to listen to your shit just because I didn't post in the night phase. I gave my best attempt at solving the game yesterday. It's not an easy game to solve because a lot of the players (ES, Pandain, Eywa) are reads that I have that are pure tone reads.
I think I could definitely be wrong about my Eywa read, and maybe Eversince but that would impress me.
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On July 04 2019 22:17 Jockmcplop wrote:
Rayn what are your thoughts on trfel?
I think he did his town thing on the post on HF.
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On July 04 2019 22:19 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 22:17 Jockmcplop wrote:
Rayn what are your thoughts on trfel? I only ask because the last time you mentioned him you said you could lynch him but then a few minutes later said you didn't think he was mafia so I'm just trying to get straight on where you are on that.
Woahhhh where was this?? I completely miss it!
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On July 04 2019 22:20 Grackaroni wrote:
It's not an easy game to solve because a lot of the players (ES, Pandain, Eywa) are reads that I have that are pure tone reads.
I think I could definitely be wrong about my Eywa read, and maybe Eversince but that would impress me.
But you PoE'd me and Conversion, formerly your top ttown reads as mafia?!?!?!?
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On July 04 2019 22:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 22:17 Jockmcplop wrote:
Rayn what are your thoughts on trfel? I think he did his town thing on the post on HF.
Cool, thanks I'll go check it out and see if I can learn something
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On July 04 2019 22:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am trying to weigh where your vote should be (or go) on how you reacted to things at that time and how i think you SHOULD react as town in my mind. It is not 100% clear to me where your vote should go. Can you point out me the first post when you got home or somewhere where you had actual time to be properly involved with the game last night?
Google says I got home about 19:15
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/549333-minifeast-15?page=38#758
So about here. But I didn't really go on the computer, I got naked first because that's the first thing I do when I get home. Did some other things, made some food, played a bit of Mario briefly.
The part where I say Grack is a good vote is from reading his filter on the train because I can just press all and I don't need signal to load his filter pages after it's all loaded. Obviously can't go to the vote thread when on public transport because of signal/no room to play anyway and then I pretty much get through the door when ES returns.
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On July 04 2019 22:20 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 22:19 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 04 2019 22:17 Jockmcplop wrote:
Rayn what are your thoughts on trfel? I only ask because the last time you mentioned him you said you could lynch him but then a few minutes later said you didn't think he was mafia so I'm just trying to get straight on where you are on that. Woahhhh where was this?? I completely miss it!
#364 & #374
Its not alignment indicative, and this wasn't an accusation, I was just a little confused as to where he stood on it. The context of what he was saying at the time means you can't really read it as a contradiction.
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On July 04 2019 22:17 Eversince wrote:
What I don't get HF is you literally said it was a meta read I got wrong you m!ES for.
Then I prodded you to talk, you scum me for that too. But I did it because I could see m!HF trying to kill the t!ES that has a lot of pressure and is going to drop like a stone Friday. I felt better after our conversations though. I don't really agree with what you think but I could see how you made it there.Now you're saying I don't even understand so it's back to 'let's start a storm with ES so I can make her look scum'.
Originally, yes?
When you returned and said that my points were trash you only referenced my meta points even though Jock was quizzing me on why I scum read you after that fact and I had many more points. It made it look like you hadn't read the thread, you hadn't even really contemplated what I'd posted. Then you said only the meta points were trash even though previously you said they were okay for me to vote you on so obviously that's conflicting information and I mafia read you for it.
Now, since then I've delved into your filter, found the grack inconsistencies etc and called you mafia again but I don't really want to get into a fight, that's the last thing I want to do. Just want to post my honest thoughts and see what happens.
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On July 04 2019 22:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 22:20 Grackaroni wrote:
It's not an easy game to solve because a lot of the players (ES, Pandain, Eywa) are reads that I have that are pure tone reads.
I think I could definitely be wrong about my Eywa read, and maybe Eversince but that would impress me. But you PoE'd me and Conversion, formerly your top ttown reads as mafia?!?!?!?
You and Conversion were my top town reads at the start of the game but your presence was way lower than people like ES/Pandain throughout the rest of the phase.
I could have included HF in the POE too and I probably gave Eywa a town read too easily but I'm not at all unhappy with moving either you or Conversion down, even after Conversion's flip.
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On July 04 2019 22:21 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 22:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 04 2019 22:17 Jockmcplop wrote:
Rayn what are your thoughts on trfel? I think he did his town thing on the post on HF. Cool, thanks I'll go check it out and see if I can learn something
+ Show Spoiler +It's the thing where he makes a really good post in a townie way (i mean he can be right or wrong but puts a shitton of thought into it -- corresponding to the game state at the time, like obviously earlier posts are not "huge effort" but i hope you get what i mean) and then calls himself bad and wrong. Now after this game this is never going to hold so it's not anymore a town!Trfel thing.
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