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Eversince
Profile Joined October 2015
Philippines2301 Posts
July 03 2019 22:50 GMT
#901
I'm have to go, I'll be be back though!
Life's too short to be black and white. Make the world tie-dye!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 03 2019 22:52 GMT
#902
On July 04 2019 03:28 Eversince wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2019 03:24 Holyflare wrote:
On July 04 2019 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 03 2019 23:32 Holyflare wrote:
On July 03 2019 23:19 Trfel wrote:
On July 03 2019 01:09 Eversince wrote:
And I've played with HF a few times over the years. He's stupid good mafia player. If he's town he'll figure things out! Go look at his massive list of games to look. Like he can be wrong but mafia almost always shoot into the vets on this site (HF/Rayn/Marv etc..etc.)
@Raynpelikoneet, is the bolded the thing you are using to scumread Eversince?

Because to me, Eversince is saying here that Holyflare is good at mafia as a game, not as an alignment.


She also clarified that she meant I'm good at mafia rather than the mafia alignment.

I know she did but do you believe that's the truth? I don't.


Yeah because why would she say I'm good as mafia and simultaneously say I'm afk as mafia? She wouldn't.

My points were about something completely different though and I don't think they're as awful as pandain and jock make them out to be.


Summarize for me. because I thought your points against me where crap.


This literally happened.

I called your meta read on me crap and voted on you.

You backtracked and said, yeah, you got it wrong.

You said I was correct to not like you because of it.

I said many other points after this.

You enter the thread and say "summarise for me because I thought your points against me were crap".

You then just say my points are the meta read against you and that's it but you already said those were fine. So, not only did you not know why I was actually scum reading you at that point but on top of that you've changed your point of view on the meta read points too!

Now you're coming back into the thread saying you don't know if I'm scum or not because the points against you are, yet again, crap but you never ever address them AGAIN. You tell me to just read your filter because it's all there but guess what, that's exactly what you're going to have to do to my filter now because it's all in there for you to read and comment on.

Solve the game, prove me wrong and that you're town. Don't just needlessly pander to people. I am not lynching eywa and don't think I ever will and don't really think they're mafia so you're barking up the wrong tree here. Who else is mafia?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 03 2019 23:32 GMT
#903
pandain jockmcplop Grackaroni eversince trfel

People that voted conversion and posted shit all to solving the game or why they voted the way they did after they lynched the parity cop:

Pandain, jock, grack, Eversince, trfel

People that voted Eversince:

Rayn, hf, eywa, conversion

People that didn't vote the parity but still talked about reads and who to lynch after the parity cop mishap:

Hf, eywa

There's at least 2 confirmed town on the eversince wagon in myself and conversion and I'm pretty sure eywa is town too. That means that unless you all think rayn is mafia (which almost none of you do) then either eversince is town and all the mafia suddenly bandwagoned conversion to look shit at the end of the day lynching town instead of afking or there's a much more simple answer that Eversince is mafia and you played right into their objective.
Eversince
Profile Joined October 2015
Philippines2301 Posts
July 04 2019 03:06 GMT
#904
Ugh you know HF, you make so many valid point I'm not even fighting it now. I think it's fishy as hell you pushing me so hard for a wrong a meta read. Everything else you've said makes sense so I'll take the mislynch for town if that's what it takes. Because I don't actually think your mafia I just think your being stupid town.

I still don't like Eywa for reasons I've already said. Pand is questionable. I haven't been bothered by Truffles. Grack I've spent a lot of time into talking about. Still stand. Jock is ok.


Life's too short to be black and white. Make the world tie-dye!
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
July 04 2019 03:59 GMT
#905
On July 04 2019 08:32 Holyflare wrote:
pandain jockmcplop Grackaroni eversince trfel

People that voted conversion and posted shit all to solving the game or why they voted the way they did after they lynched the parity cop:

Pandain, jock, grack, Eversince, trfel

People that voted Eversince:

Rayn, hf, eywa, conversion

People that didn't vote the parity but still talked about reads and who to lynch after the parity cop mishap:

Hf, eywa

There's at least 2 confirmed town on the eversince wagon in myself and conversion and I'm pretty sure eywa is town too. That means that unless you all think rayn is mafia (which almost none of you do) then either eversince is town and all the mafia suddenly bandwagoned conversion to look shit at the end of the day lynching town instead of afking or there's a much more simple answer that Eversince is mafia and you played right into their objective.

I am not quite certain why eywa would be super likely town in case ES happened to be town? We all made good points on ES. I could make those points as mafia, you could, why couldn't eywa? I mean the points are relevant because they are contradictions in ES filter, she herself made those posts and there is arguing against it.

I think something stinks in grackaronis complete 180 in me and conversion when it started to look like ES actually gets lynched.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
July 04 2019 04:00 GMT
#906
On July 04 2019 12:06 Eversince wrote:
Ugh you know HF, you make so many valid point I'm not even fighting it now. I think it's fishy as hell you pushing me so hard for a wrong a meta read.



Noone is pushing you for wrong meta read. If youre town somehow read the posts with thought. For once think for a moment befote you post?
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Eversince
Profile Joined October 2015
Philippines2301 Posts
July 04 2019 04:30 GMT
#907
On July 04 2019 07:52 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2019 03:28 Eversince wrote:
On July 04 2019 03:24 Holyflare wrote:
On July 04 2019 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 03 2019 23:32 Holyflare wrote:
On July 03 2019 23:19 Trfel wrote:
On July 03 2019 01:09 Eversince wrote:
And I've played with HF a few times over the years. He's stupid good mafia player. If he's town he'll figure things out! Go look at his massive list of games to look. Like he can be wrong but mafia almost always shoot into the vets on this site (HF/Rayn/Marv etc..etc.)
@Raynpelikoneet, is the bolded the thing you are using to scumread Eversince?

Because to me, Eversince is saying here that Holyflare is good at mafia as a game, not as an alignment.


She also clarified that she meant I'm good at mafia rather than the mafia alignment.

I know she did but do you believe that's the truth? I don't.


Yeah because why would she say I'm good as mafia and simultaneously say I'm afk as mafia? She wouldn't.

My points were about something completely different though and I don't think they're as awful as pandain and jock make them out to be.


Summarize for me. because I thought your points against me where crap.


This literally happened.

[red]I called your meta read on me crap and voted on you.[/red

You backtracked and said, yeah, you got it wrong.

You said I was correct to not like you because of it.

I said many other points after this.

You enter the thread and say "summarise for me because I thought your points against me were crap".

You then just say my points are the meta read against you and that's it but you already said those were fine. So, not only did you not know why I was actually scum reading you at that point but on top of that you've changed your point of view on the meta read points too!

Now you're coming back into the thread saying you don't know if I'm scum or not because the points against you are, yet again, crap but you never ever address them AGAIN. You tell me to just read your filter because it's all there but guess what, that's exactly what you're going to have to do to my filter now because it's all in there for you to read and comment on.

Solve the game, prove me wrong and that you're town. Don't just needlessly pander to people. I am not lynching eywa and don't think I ever will and don't really think they're mafia so you're barking up the wrong tree here. Who else is mafia?


Rayn please..

Then I try to talk with HF to see if m!HF is just pushing off on easy ES lynch. I like his responses though so I don't think he's mafia for it.
Life's too short to be black and white. Make the world tie-dye!
Eversince
Profile Joined October 2015
Philippines2301 Posts
July 04 2019 04:32 GMT
#908
On July 04 2019 07:52 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2019 03:28 Eversince wrote:
On July 04 2019 03:24 Holyflare wrote:
On July 04 2019 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 03 2019 23:32 Holyflare wrote:
On July 03 2019 23:19 Trfel wrote:
On July 03 2019 01:09 Eversince wrote:
And I've played with HF a few times over the years. He's stupid good mafia player. If he's town he'll figure things out! Go look at his massive list of games to look. Like he can be wrong but mafia almost always shoot into the vets on this site (HF/Rayn/Marv etc..etc.)
@Raynpelikoneet, is the bolded the thing you are using to scumread Eversince?

Because to me, Eversince is saying here that Holyflare is good at mafia as a game, not as an alignment.


She also clarified that she meant I'm good at mafia rather than the mafia alignment.

I know she did but do you believe that's the truth? I don't.


Yeah because why would she say I'm good as mafia and simultaneously say I'm afk as mafia? She wouldn't.

My points were about something completely different though and I don't think they're as awful as pandain and jock make them out to be.


Summarize for me. because I thought your points against me where crap.


This literally happened.

I called your meta read on me crap and voted on you.

You backtracked and said, yeah, you got it wrong.

You said I was correct to not like you because of it.

I said many other points after this.

You enter the thread and say "summarise for me because I thought your points against me were crap".

You then just say my points are the meta read against you and that's it but you already said those were fine. So, not only did you not know why I was actually scum reading you at that point but on top of that you've changed your point of view on the meta read points too!

Now you're coming back into the thread saying you don't know if I'm scum or not because the points against you are, yet again, crap but you never ever address them AGAIN. You tell me to just read your filter because it's all there but guess what, that's exactly what you're going to have to do to my filter now because it's all in there for you to read and comment on.

Solve the game, prove me wrong and that you're town. Don't just needlessly pander to people. I am not lynching eywa and don't think I ever will and don't really think they're mafia so you're barking up the wrong tree here. Who else is mafia?


Rayn please..

Then I try to talk with HF to see if m!HF is just pushing off on easy ES lynch. I like his responses though so I don't think he's mafia for it.

EBWOP one of these days I'm get this right!
Life's too short to be black and white. Make the world tie-dye!
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
July 04 2019 04:55 GMT
#909
On July 04 2019 13:32 Eversince wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2019 07:52 Holyflare wrote:
On July 04 2019 03:28 Eversince wrote:
On July 04 2019 03:24 Holyflare wrote:
On July 04 2019 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 03 2019 23:32 Holyflare wrote:
On July 03 2019 23:19 Trfel wrote:
On July 03 2019 01:09 Eversince wrote:
And I've played with HF a few times over the years. He's stupid good mafia player. If he's town he'll figure things out! Go look at his massive list of games to look. Like he can be wrong but mafia almost always shoot into the vets on this site (HF/Rayn/Marv etc..etc.)
@Raynpelikoneet, is the bolded the thing you are using to scumread Eversince?

Because to me, Eversince is saying here that Holyflare is good at mafia as a game, not as an alignment.


She also clarified that she meant I'm good at mafia rather than the mafia alignment.

I know she did but do you believe that's the truth? I don't.


Yeah because why would she say I'm good as mafia and simultaneously say I'm afk as mafia? She wouldn't.

My points were about something completely different though and I don't think they're as awful as pandain and jock make them out to be.


Summarize for me. because I thought your points against me where crap.


This literally happened.

I called your meta read on me crap and voted on you.

You backtracked and said, yeah, you got it wrong.

You said I was correct to not like you because of it.

I said many other points after this.

You enter the thread and say "summarise for me because I thought your points against me were crap".

You then just say my points are the meta read against you and that's it but you already said those were fine. So, not only did you not know why I was actually scum reading you at that point but on top of that you've changed your point of view on the meta read points too!

Now you're coming back into the thread saying you don't know if I'm scum or not because the points against you are, yet again, crap but you never ever address them AGAIN. You tell me to just read your filter because it's all there but guess what, that's exactly what you're going to have to do to my filter now because it's all in there for you to read and comment on.

Solve the game, prove me wrong and that you're town. Don't just needlessly pander to people. I am not lynching eywa and don't think I ever will and don't really think they're mafia so you're barking up the wrong tree here. Who else is mafia?


Rayn please..

Then I try to talk with HF to see if m!HF is just pushing off on easy ES lynch. I like his responses though so I don't think he's mafia for it.

EBWOP one of these days I'm get this right!

In simple words, HF is saying you agreed with his initial read. Which is what you did. Now youre saying hf might be mafia because his points were crap. By your own definition its impossible you think that unless you providr some new evidence for your change of mind, which you havent.

Me and hf both have said you had a strong town read on grack based on things X just to say later that grack could do things X as either alignment. One of those things has to be a lie because nowhere in your filter you provide anything that i see should be changing your mind.

Idc about what i said about your comment on hf. Noone is going to get what i am saying or why i think it comes ftom mafia!ES perspective so whatever. Noone got why i scumread shapelog last game. So i cba with that, theres more evidence anyways.

I have yet to check what eywas point on you is reharding conversion, but it most likely will make sense since hf agrees it makes sense and hf as either alignment doesnt agrer with stuff that dont make sense.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
July 04 2019 04:56 GMT
#910
In first paragraph i am trying to say you can think hf read is wrong but you shoyld simply have no reason atm to think its TRASH.
table for two on a tv tray
Eversince
Profile Joined October 2015
Philippines2301 Posts
July 04 2019 05:09 GMT
#911
I was curious because m!HF can push t!ES there super easy. He was early but didn't vote me until later. I thought it was opportunistic! I had a meta read on HF (That I'm lynch with fire yesterday), wasn't ENITRELY wrong to have though becauses here HF playing townie! I get why he would not like my meta read when I can't prove it. I wanted to make sure m!HF isn't pushing easy town lynch. So I talked to him. He still wants to lynch me and I feel like his reason is crap but I think it's more likely t!HF here is trying to reach for straws than m!HF kill the easiest town! I get how he got there and I felt for a second there he wash pushing on me for easy reasons..That's why I said I don't think it's coming from m!HF but you can't say his read there isn't weak in reasons.
Life's too short to be black and white. Make the world tie-dye!
Eversince
Profile Joined October 2015
Philippines2301 Posts
July 04 2019 05:10 GMT
#912
That's basically my logic on HF
Life's too short to be black and white. Make the world tie-dye!
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
July 04 2019 05:11 GMT
#913
I am going to expand on Grackaroni when i get off work but rn i think he's the other mafia.
table for two on a tv tray
Eversince
Profile Joined October 2015
Philippines2301 Posts
July 04 2019 05:12 GMT
#914
Grack could be.. I gave him pass d1 because that's just Grack but he's still bleh so I could believe it.
Life's too short to be black and white. Make the world tie-dye!
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 04 2019 06:05 GMT
#915
I have come to the shocking conclusion that I have absolutely no idea what is happening this game. I'll attempt to rethink everything.

I still think Jockmcplop and raynpelikoneet are town though.

If anyone wants to talk about stuff with me feel free, I'll be busy tomorrow given that it's a holiday but before the next lynch hopefully I'll be slightly less clueless
Eversince
Profile Joined October 2015
Philippines2301 Posts
July 04 2019 06:13 GMT
#916
On July 04 2019 15:05 Trfel wrote:
I have come to the shocking conclusion that I have absolutely no idea what is happening this game. I'll attempt to rethink everything.

I still think Jockmcplop and raynpelikoneet are town though.

If anyone wants to talk about stuff with me feel free, I'll be busy tomorrow given that it's a holiday but before the next lynch hopefully I'll be slightly less clueless


I'm at work but it's slow so I can probably talk.
Life's too short to be black and white. Make the world tie-dye!
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9655 Posts
July 04 2019 06:23 GMT
#917
I'm taking some time to re-evaluate. That was a shite day 1.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 04 2019 06:26 GMT
#918
What do you think of Holyflare?

I can never read him to save my life, he could convince me to jump off a cliff I want to say he's mafia but that makes me think he is town, he has a habit of being the opposite of what I think...

I haven't really seen a ton of notable (in terms of figuring out his alignment) stuff from him, I just feel like he's started to become really manipulative since the deadline and that scares me. I didn't feel a lot of thread presence/control from him before End of Day, it felt like he kinda let it happen, and then it feels like he's been playing off of guilt ever since (pun not intended). But really I have no clue I'll read his filter and see if my perceptions are correct but I doubt it'll help me much.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9655 Posts
July 04 2019 06:38 GMT
#919
On July 04 2019 15:26 Trfel wrote:
What do you think of Holyflare?

I can never read him to save my life, he could convince me to jump off a cliff I want to say he's mafia but that makes me think he is town, he has a habit of being the opposite of what I think...

I haven't really seen a ton of notable (in terms of figuring out his alignment) stuff from him, I just feel like he's started to become really manipulative since the deadline and that scares me. I didn't feel a lot of thread presence/control from him before End of Day, it felt like he kinda let it happen, and then it feels like he's been playing off of guilt ever since (pun not intended). But really I have no clue I'll read his filter and see if my perceptions are correct but I doubt it'll help me much.


Yeah I don't like hf this game to be honest. I'm going to wait until day 2 before I make any further judgements though.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Eversince
Profile Joined October 2015
Philippines2301 Posts
July 04 2019 06:43 GMT
#920
On July 04 2019 15:26 Trfel wrote:
What do you think of Holyflare?

I can never read him to save my life, he could convince me to jump off a cliff I want to say he's mafia but that makes me think he is town, he has a habit of being the opposite of what I think...

I haven't really seen a ton of notable (in terms of figuring out his alignment) stuff from him, I just feel like he's started to become really manipulative since the deadline and that scares me. I didn't feel a lot of thread presence/control from him before End of Day, it felt like he kinda let it happen, and then it feels like he's been playing off of guilt ever since (pun not intended). But really I have no clue I'll read his filter and see if my perceptions are correct but I doubt it'll help me much.


I actually liked his reasoning.
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