On July 02 2019 13:44 Eversince wrote:
I think your point about both are fine. Rayn generally will push hard, but not get irate with you, if he thinks your doing something. If he isn't sure he's not going to try to put you on a stick and burn you. The problem with Conversion is that he came in, rehashed a valid point, ignored the rest of the thread and left.
Grack's just a special one. He's got a funny personal attitude. I'm not wanting to lynch him today. He'll pick up and engage like he did last game or then we can lynch. But he's not trying to move us anywhere. Which is trash town play. But m!Grack wants to lead town to do stupid things.
Like voting our parity cop.........
On July 02 2019 15:39 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2019 15:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 02 2019 13:44 Eversince wrote:
But m!Grack wants to lead town to do stupid things.
Can you give some examples of this that happened lately?
Actually no. I was reference a point that anyone mafia in that position would do that. I could go filter Gracks past games but that seems real petty!
The meta wasn't even meta, it was just a general that's what mafia does post??????? Didn't sound like it in the slightest and I think you got called out here.
On July 02 2019 16:12 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2019 16:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 02 2019 15:39 Eversince wrote:On July 02 2019 15:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 02 2019 13:44 Eversince wrote:
But m!Grack wants to lead town to do stupid things.
Can you give some examples of this that happened lately?
Actually no. I was reference a point that anyone mafia in that position would do that. I could go filter Gracks past games but that seems real petty!
If you did filter them you'd find that last game grack bussed his teammate to death d1 and another one on n2. Which is why i was wondering where you got that sentiment. I dont really understand whhat yourw saying here and how that relates to whatever grack has or hasnt done this game?
I'm going off memory (not reliable). Any mafia would want to try to change thread sentiment. Grack did nothing.. Even on your example.. if he bussed his whole team he still did something. Was my point. t!Grack doesn't care m!Grack does something (if that's true he just killed his whole team)! What game is it though? I'll filter him to try to see.
Now it is meta again.......
On July 02 2019 16:15 Eversince wrote:
Assuming Grack is mafia where is he taking that Pand? Just throwing shadows? I'll agree he's been useless but last game was the same. Most I've played with him he's been in-active then picks up and is semi useful.
TOWN meta.
On July 02 2019 16:28 Eversince wrote:
I need to figure who to vote for. I'd be fine with Conv for reasons I already said. Grack would be ok but rather not, if he's town he'll start playing. Or we just lynch into lurkers. Which is also trash.
Grack would be an okay lynch, wow that town meta sure devolved quickly. He's not even doing that thing you said he does as mafia. This is softly calling him town too just like you did to me because he could literally just afk and be mafia.
On July 02 2019 18:02 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2019 17:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 02 2019 17:27 Eversince wrote:On July 02 2019 17:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 02 2019 16:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 02 2019 15:39 Eversince wrote:On July 02 2019 15:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 02 2019 13:44 Eversince wrote:
But m!Grack wants to lead town to do stupid things.
Can you give some examples of this that happened lately?
Actually no. I was reference a point that anyone mafia in that position would do that. I could go filter Gracks past games but that seems real petty!
If you did filter them you'd find that last game grack bussed his teammate to death d1 and another one on n2. Which is why i was wondering where you got that sentiment. I dont really understand whhat yourw saying here and
how that relates to whatever grack has or hasnt done this game? On July 02 2019 16:12 Eversince wrote:On July 02 2019 16:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 02 2019 15:39 Eversince wrote:On July 02 2019 15:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 02 2019 13:44 Eversince wrote:
But m!Grack wants to lead town to do stupid things.
Can you give some examples of this that happened lately?
Actually no. I was reference a point that anyone mafia in that position would do that. I could go filter Gracks past games but that seems real petty!
If you did filter them you'd find that last game grack bussed his teammate to death d1 and another one on n2. Which is why i was wondering where you got that sentiment. I dont really understand whhat yourw saying here and how that relates to whatever grack has or hasnt done this game?
I'm going off memory (not reliable). Any mafia would want to try to change thread sentiment. Grack did nothing.. Even on your example.. if he bussed his whole team he still did something. Was my point. t!Grack doesn't care m!Grack does something (if that's true he just killed his whole team)! What game is it though? I'll filter him to try to see.
Why does grack necessarily want to change thread sentiment about 4hrs and a total of 1 townread in thread into the game? Why is it more scummy to want to do something than not do anything?
Exactly, m!Grack makes no sense to me there because he just mia off. Nothing happens that early. You either try to be active and start the thread or just mia. Which he did. Or you try to get groundwork into looking town (Which he didn't). Showing up and being general useless doesn't make any sense as town or mafia. But Grack is flighty, tends to put a hell of a lot more effort late D1/D2. I don't like him continuing to be useless but I made post on this already. If he's still useless day 2 we can just lynch him but standard Grack play is standard Grack.
None of this post makes the slightest bit of sense. It's a town read for going afk but you also say mafia grack can afk but you also say mafia Grack makes no sense? So which is it?
On July 02 2019 18:26 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2019 18:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you, ES, think that grack is self-aware of his meta to some extent?
He's been playing since I joined this site so I'm sure yes. Probably uses it to advantage as scum, why I think he's not worth the lynch now but later? Sure.
@Jock I'll go filter that game and brainstorm.
Grack is self away of meta probably, that's why he should be lynched later.......? Why does this make any sense? If he's self aware of meta then his meta IS to afk as town is what you're saying. If he is self aware of this and afks then how does it make any sense to lynch him because he can do that as town????
On July 03 2019 00:32 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 00:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 03 2019 00:23 Eversince wrote:
Sorry, took a nap! I'm back now though!
who made the above post then? :O
Guilty as charged! I'm just reading up thread and trying to make conclusions. Your Pand point makes sense but why would m!Pand point it out? He did vote me but he didn't push for it. m!Pand here would want to start a wagon? Oh crap, I think that happened though! No one seems to like me
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Also you sum my Grack points back up yourself. He could be mafia, but he could be t!Grack here and not giving a darn. I don't like to lynch town.
He could be mafia but he could be town grack for afking? So you won't lynch him because he COULD be town??
On July 03 2019 00:42 Eversince wrote:
@Rayn
He doesn't but it could be either m!Grack/t!Grack. I'm saying we lynch most likely mafia over him. Because Grack playstyle make it hard to tell if he's m!Grack yet because his town play looks the same D1.
His meta has completely changed from him afking as town to him now being aware of his town meta as mafia and now he could be doing it as mafia.
On July 03 2019 00:47 Eversince wrote:
.......I'm getting annoyed with answering this! It's all over my filter!
I think Grack could play his inactive self d1 as either mafia!Grack or town!Grack. I give him the pass today because I know this about him. I would still lynch but I think it's not worth our votes with better options
Now it's not even him being self aware it's just it's his meta as either alignment. THIS IS COMPLETELY COMPLETELY different to what you've already said at the start of the game!
On July 03 2019 01:04 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 00:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i have your words on "Exactly, m!Grack makes no sense" and you're now telling me "I think Grack could play his inactive self d1 as either mafia!Grack or town!Grack"??????????????
I said 'I don't want to lynch Grack because x'..
Rayn stop being dense!
You berate rayn for making a TOTALLY valid point.
On July 03 2019 01:18 Eversince wrote:
Okok Rayn. I make this as simple as I can.
My issue with lynching Grack has always been 'Grack is being useless!'
Truffles said something about it 'he's not posting gifs and making jokes'
I say 'Yeh, but he might be trying to change because people wanted to lynch him last game for the same reason'
(Not in those words but basic thoughts I had)
Grack mia/being general useless is not uncommon. I've played with him enough to know.
I'm saying I don't think m!Grack does come into thread, be useless then disappears, for no better reason than to make himself look bad. t!Grack totally wouldn't care..
Conclusion:
Grack may totes be scum. But his play there is not a reason to think he is a mafia yet.
Now you're just assuming he's changing his meta based on absolutely nothing but why do you even mention he MIGHT be changing his meta when you've already been saying it IS his meta to do this??????
Now you're also saying mafia grack doesn't come into the thread to disappear but your conclusion is that he might be scum????
On July 03 2019 01:30 Eversince wrote:
Given the fact thats how Grack plays period and I know it.. Yeh, makes no sense. Not a 0%chance for reasons I've repeated like 65536 times now but yeh. It made me think 'why does m!Grack bother here?' 'he doesn't he just mia' thus t!Grack for now because there are other things I want to think about. That's it. Interpreting any other way is just wrong.
Repeating the read.
On July 03 2019 11:40 Eversince wrote:Grack stop being useless! I've given you so much room this game but everyone wants to kill for that crap. You've really giving me no reason to think your scum yet but I'm die because of 'loose reads'!
Also if you don't start posting super town soon I'm have to re-evaluate myself because you made your yourself obvious town last game. Where is it here?
No reason to think you're scum yet but I might reevaluate!
On July 03 2019 11:45 Eversince wrote:
Town is getting mislynched and Grack read my is a reason why. Please do something! Because I spent so much time and effort into defending saying you would do stuff. Show it already.. I post about Conv.. nothing I post about Ewya.. nothing.. I post about Pandain.. nothing. Are you just mafia letting town die? Because I wanted to let you off for your meta but this is just bologna.!
YOU'RE LITERALLY APPEALING TO A GUY WHO YOU THINK COULD BE MAFIA OR TOWN BUT THIS REALLY LOOKS LIKE YOU KNOW HE'S TOWN.
On July 03 2019 17:44 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 17:41 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 03 2019 17:35 Eversince wrote:
I got called off to work. but I'm back now if people want to talk!
It would be in your interest to take a look at grack, given that he's now the alternate wagon to you!
I've already said what I feel about Grack. His poor contribution after I defend him so hard is bleh though. I'd be ok with lynching him to be honest.
HIS POOR CONTRIBUTION THAT YOU SAID MAKES HIM TOWN MAKES HIM AN OKAY LYNCH.
You literally said he's useless till day 2 at least!!!!! Your read has totally flipped when he's doing EXACTLY what you say he does as town. And he isn't pushing any agenda like you said he would as mafia!
On July 03 2019 17:49 Eversince wrote:
No actually Grack can wait I still think what Ewya did is so scummy, This needs dealt with first.
But then you ditch it to Eywa when Grack becomes a wagon!!!
On July 03 2019 18:16 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 18:08 Holyflare wrote:On July 03 2019 17:51 Pandain wrote:
I don't think ES is crazy/meta enough to do something like that. It's obvious she's been desperate to survive, if she was mafia she would jump at the opportunity to lynch someone she has expressed doubts about before.
@conf, HF, Rayn please comment on this.
I don't agree with your conclusion. She's meekly soft defended grack all game and then sprinkled "hesitance" and done nothing with it. They could easily be mafia together, or she could know he's town. Both things point to a mafia es because grack looks absolutely shit and a free lynch for literally anyone to hop onto.
Meek? I've hard defended Grack on a meta read all game!
@Pand ok but don't see the issue. My own read :Grack gets his thing together or lynch.I talk to Grack and he is still basic 'I'm be useless'. Everyone else pages later: Grack gets his things togthero or we lynch him.
Now you've hard defended Grack all game, that's your own admission! Why would you hard defend someone you think still could be mafia and even said he could be mafia after all?
I can't make this stuff up. It's literally right here in your filter. First, you make a meta read up on Grack but then that's proven wrong and you say it's a general meta read for people when they play mafia. Then you change it to say that Grack afks as town and does things to control the game as mafia. Then you get called out again and it CHANGES to Grack afks as town and comes back to play but mafia Grack doesn't.
Then it changes again to mafia Grack knows his town meta and could be emulating it!
Then it changes to Grack's actual mafia meta is to also afk!
Then you say to someone that Grack is changing his meta on gif posting based on last game maybe??????
Then you say you have no reason to lynch Grack because he could be town (or presumably mafia now)
Then you interact with Grack saying prove you right and play. BUT HIS MAFIA META ISN'T JUST TO AFK EITHER SO HOW IS THAT RELEVANT.
Then you appeal to Grack to do something because you defended him and say he's the reason you're getting lynched but don't EVER EVER just assume Grack is mafia letting you die if you're town. You never assume this at any point. Ever.
Then suddenly his poor contribution makes him mafia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But then Eywa is suddenly a better lynch??????????????
Then you say you've hard defended Grack on a meta read all game but YOU MAKE NO CONCLUSION ON HIS ALIGNMENT STILL AND NOTHING MAKES SENSE.
You are really really really just mafia.
EPT
