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On July 04 2019 01:49 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 00:47 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 04 2019 00:26 Holyflare wrote:
I literally have no idea how you still think I'm mafia when none of your points still stand. On July 04 2019 00:35 Pandain wrote:On July 03 2019 23:58 Holyflare wrote:
Point me to the place where I say eywa is playing so differently in this game to the last. I guarantee you can't because I never said that.
On July 04 2019 00:08 Holyflare wrote:On July 04 2019 00:05 Holyflare wrote:
Yeah but it's clearly not anymore is it lol? I've never said eywa looked the same so you got me there. Explain this. So you admit you did say eywa looks different? Wait a minute. Is this my point that
STILL FUCKING STANDS In regard to Jock, I think it's this point that really makes me waiver. What other points or theories does he actually have that would make him think I'm mafia? I'm pretty sure they're all gone. He didn't even realise this was still a point for him until someone pointed it out again yet I was still mafia to him before that.
He's just tunneled. Townie's do it all the time.
When you're tunneled, you won't accept explanations from your scum read even if they're logical. Even if Jock has accepted your explanation, he still will think that's just a (bad) alternative explanation and not what you were actually trying to say.
For instance, your initial meta read on Eywa was terrible. Jock correctly pointed that out, and even you admit now it was really bad. Now, when you offer "other reasons" why you are still voting Eywa, it will seem fake to him. And honestly to me they're not really good reasons anyway.
The reason I think Jock is town is because it's extremely clear he's trying to analyze and think about the game. He's engaged in constant conversation, his reads are constantly evolving, he's made a spreadsheet(albeit simple and a little wrong), he's pushing his reads and defending those he thinks he's town. I don't think he's a good enough mafia player to be able to fake this. He's arguably the most active person in the thread (since ES is mostly spam).
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On July 04 2019 01:49 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 00:47 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 04 2019 00:26 Holyflare wrote:
I literally have no idea how you still think I'm mafia when none of your points still stand. On July 04 2019 00:35 Pandain wrote:On July 03 2019 23:58 Holyflare wrote:
Point me to the place where I say eywa is playing so differently in this game to the last. I guarantee you can't because I never said that.
On July 04 2019 00:08 Holyflare wrote:On July 04 2019 00:05 Holyflare wrote:
Yeah but it's clearly not anymore is it lol? I've never said eywa looked the same so you got me there. Explain this. So you admit you did say eywa looks different? Wait a minute. Is this my point that
STILL FUCKING STANDS In regard to Jock, I think it's this point that really makes me waiver. What other points or theories does he actually have that would make him think I'm mafia? I'm pretty sure they're all gone. He didn't even realise this was still a point for him until someone pointed it out again yet I was still mafia to him before that.
Why you got to make stuff up?
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This is the thing hf every time you begin to even look a little bit town you say something like this:
He didn't even realise this was still a point for him until someone pointed it out again yet I was still mafia to him before that.
I have no idea why you would think that's true. It isn't at all. I have brought up the eywa thing consistently over the last few pages. You're literally just making this shit up out of nowhere.
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On July 04 2019 01:58 Jockmcplop wrote:This is the thing hf every time you begin to even look a little bit town you say something like this: Show nested quote +He didn't even realise this was still a point for him until someone pointed it out again yet I was still mafia to him before that. I have no idea why you would think that's true. It isn't at all. I have brought up the eywa thing consistently over the last few pages. You're literally just making this shit up out of nowhere.
I didn't make it up I literally quoted the post where you said it? If you still had it all along then you really misworded that post and the intention wasn't clear.
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On July 04 2019 01:58 Jockmcplop wrote:This is the thing hf every time you begin to even look a little bit town you say something like this: Show nested quote +He didn't even realise this was still a point for him until someone pointed it out again yet I was still mafia to him before that. I have no idea why you would think that's true. It isn't at all. I have brought up the eywa thing consistently over the last few pages. You're literally just making this shit up out of nowhere.
It's just a misunderstanding. HF thinks from your post saying that "oh my point still stands!" that you thought it had been negated earlier. Of course you never thought it was negated, but HF didn't know/think that.
Did you see my post on Conf? Given that he can be extremely aggressive as mafia, what do you think of his play so far?
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On July 04 2019 02:00 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 01:58 Jockmcplop wrote:This is the thing hf every time you begin to even look a little bit town you say something like this: He didn't even realise this was still a point for him until someone pointed it out again yet I was still mafia to him before that. I have no idea why you would think that's true. It isn't at all. I have brought up the eywa thing consistently over the last few pages. You're literally just making this shit up out of nowhere. I didn't make it up I literally quoted the post where you said it? If you still had it all along then you really misworded that post and the intention wasn't clear.
Can you quote it again please because I can't find it. Its not in this chain.
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oh I see pandain.
I said it still stands in direct response to hf saying that none of my points still stand.
The wording actually makes it really obvious because I used the same wording as hf to makeit really really obvious that i was responding to him.
hf I know 'threatening to scumread' is part of your play when you're under pressure so that doesn't really affect me.
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?? I mean it's quite clear I thought exactly what pandain just said.
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I just mirrored this language:
On July 04 2019 00:26 Holyflare wrote:
I literally have no idea how you still think I'm mafia when none of your points still stand.
I probably should have quoted it, but i thought you would make the connection.
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On July 04 2019 01:54 Holyflare wrote:
If I had to choose between Grack or ES for a lynch I'd probably choose grack tbh. His filter is void of literally aby content. People are town, he guesses I could maybe be mafia. Es is town because of bathtub? Drunk posting that doesn't even look drunk?
Dumb and probably mafia.
You're always welcome to join. If you switch it will be 3-3 and Jock will then probably switch to Grack when your lynch doesn't get any steam.
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This must be really tedious for everyone else.
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On July 04 2019 02:06 Jockmcplop wrote:I just mirrored this language: Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 00:26 Holyflare wrote:
I literally have no idea how you still think I'm mafia when none of your points still stand. I probably should have quoted it, but i thought you would make the connection.
I wouldn't make the connection because I explained that point multiple times.
Hey ho let's move on to actual mafia.
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I would vote grack to save ES but its gotta be soon.
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+ Show Spoiler +On July 03 2019 23:06 Conversion wrote:Is Pandain mafia, or is he just one of those other players that just shoots off posts without realizing how bad he sounds? What is this read progression on me when I haven't even posted.. Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 15:59 Pandain wrote:
Okay, as long as Eywa's explanation for the above doesn't suck (but if it does, this completely changes)
Strong town reads: Rayn, Eywa
Pretty likely town: Jock
Have no idea why people are town reading Conversion. The guy has done nothing really substantial.
For ES, I'm not sure. Honestly I started skipping alot of her posts. A lot of her reasoning is ..not good, but I don't think either of Rayn's or HF's points are good.
Grack is actually a great town player but he's still done nothing meaningful so there's that.
For me honestly, I want to vote between Conversion, Grack, and Trfel. Wants to lynch Conversion, Grack, or Trfel Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 16:49 Pandain wrote:On July 03 2019 16:45 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 03 2019 15:59 Pandain wrote:
For me honestly, I want to vote between Conversion, Grack, and Trfel. I haven't properly looked into any of these three yet. I had a slight town read on conversion when made the post on ES (even though I disagreed) because of his meta and the aggressive way he defended himself. I'll take a closer look at all three today and let you know what I think though. It might take me a while to get this done because I'm at work. Yeah decent point. I'll say Conv. is null to slightly town. To me he's mostly null. Well, actually he's null to slightly town. Maybe more null, but still wants to lynch me? Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 20:22 Pandain wrote:
I defend people all the time because they're null at best. Not because I have a strong or even mediocore townread on them. He justifies defending HF because he's null, but wants to lynch me even if I'm null? Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 22:09 Pandain wrote:
I have extremely strong townreads on Jock, ES, Rayn, and Eywa.
Meaning I think the last two scum are between Conv, Trfell, HF, and Grack.
I actually have a very slight town read on HF too. Now I'm back to being scummy Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 22:15 Pandain wrote:
Briefly skimming Trfel's last town games and previous two mafia games (albeit admittedly 3-4 years ago), they seem more similar to his town games.
His posts seem genuine and he's making some good points.
I think the last two scum are Conversion and Grack. Maybe HF. Oh here we go, I'm scum now. ???
It seems to me mostly like he doesn't think you've been townie so far and has you in his lynch pool rather than any strong change of opinion on you, though I don't know yet if he hard-defended HF while null reading HF or not.
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I still want to hear thoughts on Conf. I still think he's another viable lynch.
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On July 03 2019 16:52 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 01:40 Grackaroni wrote:On July 03 2019 01:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
well i think grack officially goes to town pool now. I have no idea why but I'll take it. Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 12:21 Grackaroni wrote:On July 03 2019 12:16 Eversince wrote:
Also Grack if you can comment on what you think about him that be nice. Because I serious didn't want to waste this whole game focused on him. But maby he just role scum. Then I have to go figure out who his partner is. Because no one seems to fit but he's mia most of the time. Pandain? I finished reading through him. I don't agree with his town read on Trfel because I don't think scum is hesitant to give town reads in this setup like he seems to think. I don't dislike him pushing me though. I've been admittedly very bland and I haven't contributed anything yet, This is what I see in grack's filter. He likes it when people push him, he likes it when people townread him for no reason. I can only see mafia motivation when you combine those two. If he was even trying to find mafia, then he would have something to look into with at least one of these posts. If someone is townreading him for no reason - isn't that possible TMI if he is town? If not and he's mafia, of course he would say 'I don't dislike him pushing me', that's the easiest thing to say when you've already said you are going to play a low effort game. I don't think we should mistake laziness for honesty in this case.
It didn't strike me as that unusual that Rayn was townreading me because he has a pretty unique way of reading people and I already thought that he was playing pretty townie before that.
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On July 03 2019 17:26 Pandain wrote:
Also Blazinghand has posted a lot but mainly only list posts. Anyone else think this is suspicious?
Great post. 
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On July 03 2019 17:50 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 17:49 Eversince wrote:
No actually Grack can wait I still think what Ewya did is so scummy, This needs dealt with first. Does mafia eversince ever refuse to join the only conceivable counterlynch to her?
Yes.
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On July 04 2019 02:14 Pandain wrote:
I still want to hear thoughts on Conf. I still think he's another viable lynch.
On tube. Will look into when home.
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On July 03 2019 18:08 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 17:51 Pandain wrote:
I don't think ES is crazy/meta enough to do something like that. It's obvious she's been desperate to survive, if she was mafia she would jump at the opportunity to lynch someone she has expressed doubts about before.
@conf, HF, Rayn please comment on this. I don't agree with your conclusion. She's meekly soft defended grack all game and then sprinkled "hesitance" and done nothing with it. They could easily be mafia together, or she could know he's town. Both things point to a mafia es because grack looks absolutely shit and a free lynch for literally anyone to hop onto.
On July 04 2019 01:54 Holyflare wrote:
If I had to choose between Grack or ES for a lynch I'd probably choose grack tbh. His filter is void of literally aby content. People are town, he guesses I could maybe be mafia. Es is town because of bathtub? Drunk posting that doesn't even look drunk?
Dumb and probably mafia.
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