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On June 24 2019 23:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2019 23:24 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 24 2019 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
not the "he will have reads" sentence but the other one. I don't really understand what you mean. What exactly do you agree with Kels about? I agree with him that your post about grack after holyflare looked like what he said originally said. Well i wouldn't say you tried to "bury" him but it sure looked like a scumread and that you're just hopping on board with HF. Not so much when you continued talking about it with him, but first for sure.
OK yeah. I can kind of see where you're coming from, and I can understand why someone would think that.
The issue I have with Kels is that I explained it, in a way that makes more sense than the scumread angle, and then he doubled down and when asked to explain why he had doubled down on it he disappeared.
I don't think its insane that he would make the connection to begin with, but the way he followed it up was just poor. Whether that makes him mafia... I guess he needs to come and tell us why it doesn't.
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I think Rayn is mafia with kelsier
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I actually townread everyone in the game more or less other than Alakaslam, Grackaroni, Eywa and shapelog. I jsut came across a post of shapelog from his last town game which makes me think his post on Trfel is maybe more likely to come from mafia perspective. Here is the post:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 06 2017 22:37 Shapelog wrote:Alright, here where I stand with the conversation between Calix and BTDT. For Calix side, the following makes me think they are more town then scum when I look at this part. Show nested quote +On April 06 2017 20:41 Calix wrote:
This went dumb real quick.
Has that cleared everything up? I don't fancy a repeat of disfo/ Xatalos/ Damdred/ Calix where a misunderstanding gets dragged out to epic proportions, lol. I personally think that if Calix was scum, they would of not posted this. It would make sense for Scum!Calix to keep on BTDT as to have a excuse to post, and also because of the what apparently happen with a misunderstanding last game. I do acknowledge that Calix could be backing off here as scum due to a lack of footing on BTDT, but I expect that they would keep on for later credit of being active D1 or even for being on BTDT/Ryan later on if either got into negative light. Moreover, BTDT was more in the mood of keeping the fight going on. Which would allow scum!calix to hide in what would prob. develop into a shitfight with BTDT for getting pass d1. However, I personally do not see anything I really like in calix's points. Some I dont really understand the way calix talks (I.E. calix posts kinda feel a bit circlejerking? If that makes sense, prob doesnt). Also, I do feel as there should be more from calix if they are town and though something about BTDT is scummy. I don't get the stance of "waiting to question you" at all either. But doesn't feel like calix is at the stage of mafia discrediting that is usually happening at this stage of the game hmmm. I will say that I would rank calix a bit above null into the town lean range b/c while I do not understand calix overall stance, I think the clear out looks more town then mafia in my eyes. Flipsid3, I think BTDT also displayed similar actions regarding koshi's meta point and not voting calix. His posts dont feel like he is being pressured in my eyes, and seems more of him trying to figure out calixs point while being mad at calix logic. One could state that he is being pretty agressive in a way, but I just chop it up to him as taking a stance at figuring out the game. Don't really have a issue with him right now. More towny then Calix and working his way up to a town lean
I think the above post shows that his thinking of why people post the stuff they do from town/mafia perspective should go wayyyy deeper than the "i dont get it so he is mafia" post on trfel.
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On June 24 2019 23:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2019 23:03 Shapelog wrote:
I find it odd how technical and misconstruing he was towards Eversince. I dont get how you someone can read the thread at that time and genuinely post the quoted post above from trfel.
Let's say Shapelog is correct and this is actually true and Trfel is mafia. Trfel as mafia clearly knows this as well right? He has to since he is making a bullshit case he knows is incorrect. Why does Trfel make that case in the first place? Like a case that's based on pure lying and misconstruing. It doesn't make any sense at all because you're just... well instantly caught.
I'm not saying it makes complete sense to me (otherwise my vote would already be on him). I just find his posting towards Eversince concerning given the two occasions so early in day 1. I want to see where is at right now with eversince.
I will admit reading trfel gives me pause because I know how flaky he can be as town. The only reason I town read him in the game we played early on was because I was mafia and wanted to look good if he got lynched. I need to read a scum game of his for comparison come to think of it.
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On June 24 2019 23:44 Pandain wrote:
I think Rayn is mafia with kelsier
Just throw in Trfel too and i will keep a bugs-list for you this game.
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On June 24 2019 23:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:I actually townread everyone in the game more or less other than Alakaslam, Grackaroni, Eywa and shapelog. I jsut came across a post of shapelog from his last town game which makes me think his post on Trfel is maybe more likely to come from mafia perspective. Here is the post: + Show Spoiler +On April 06 2017 22:37 Shapelog wrote:Alright, here where I stand with the conversation between Calix and BTDT. For Calix side, the following makes me think they are more town then scum when I look at this part. Show nested quote +On April 06 2017 20:41 Calix wrote:
This went dumb real quick.
Has that cleared everything up? I don't fancy a repeat of disfo/ Xatalos/ Damdred/ Calix where a misunderstanding gets dragged out to epic proportions, lol. I personally think that if Calix was scum, they would of not posted this. It would make sense for Scum!Calix to keep on BTDT as to have a excuse to post, and also because of the what apparently happen with a misunderstanding last game. I do acknowledge that Calix could be backing off here as scum due to a lack of footing on BTDT, but I expect that they would keep on for later credit of being active D1 or even for being on BTDT/Ryan later on if either got into negative light. Moreover, BTDT was more in the mood of keeping the fight going on. Which would allow scum!calix to hide in what would prob. develop into a shitfight with BTDT for getting pass d1. However, I personally do not see anything I really like in calix's points. Some I dont really understand the way calix talks (I.E. calix posts kinda feel a bit circlejerking? If that makes sense, prob doesnt). Also, I do feel as there should be more from calix if they are town and though something about BTDT is scummy. I don't get the stance of "waiting to question you" at all either. But doesn't feel like calix is at the stage of mafia discrediting that is usually happening at this stage of the game hmmm. I will say that I would rank calix a bit above null into the town lean range b/c while I do not understand calix overall stance, I think the clear out looks more town then mafia in my eyes. Flipsid3, I think BTDT also displayed similar actions regarding koshi's meta point and not voting calix. His posts dont feel like he is being pressured in my eyes, and seems more of him trying to figure out calixs point while being mad at calix logic. One could state that he is being pretty agressive in a way, but I just chop it up to him as taking a stance at figuring out the game. Don't really have a issue with him right now. More towny then Calix and working his way up to a town lean I think the above post shows that his thinking of why people post the stuff they do from town/mafia perspective should go wayyyy deeper than the "i dont get it so he is mafia" post on trfel.
Dear God THAT game
Correctly nail scum day 1. Then gets told I bus 100% of the time as scum and get auto lynched day 2
At least I think it was that game. My memory fails me in my young age.
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On June 24 2019 16:18 Jockmcplop wrote:Yeah but just you wait. He's going to have SO MUCH CONTENT by the end of the day....
I laughed way too hard at this.
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To clarify:
The only reason why Trfel would post what he did as mafia is if he is mafia with ES and wants to make a case that looks good on him in case ES happens to get lynched at some point, but his case will not accomplish that for sure and he knows it. Sort of distancing but in a way that doesn't mean anything. The only other option imo is that Trfel actually believes in what he says, aka perceives ES' posting as he put it (regardless of how strong his read is). There is simply zero reason to make that post in case ES is town and Trfel is mafia because the only thing that can happen is that Trfel looks bad for it.
Now the post i quoted above imo clearly shows that Shapelog is capable of actually thinking, and yet better, noticing that kind of motivation in people's posts. In my opinion he SHOULD be easily able to tell what i just said in the above paragraph, because, once again, that's the only thing that makes sense. I think Shapelogs read here is very convenient to make as mafia since he isn't really anything that is wrong. I just think he isn't actually thinking about if it can genuinely make Trfel mafia when he should and i think it makes him mafia.
##vote Shapelog
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On June 24 2019 23:54 Shapelog wrote:
Correctly nail scum day 1. Then gets told I bus 100% of the time as scum and get auto lynched day 2
idk what you did later but at least you hard defended mafia me and Koshi lynched D1.
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Like that post is literally you hard defending mafia Calix. 
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On June 24 2019 23:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2019 23:24 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 24 2019 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
not the "he will have reads" sentence but the other one. I don't really understand what you mean. What exactly do you agree with Kels about? I agree with him that your post about grack after holyflare looked like what he said originally said. Well i wouldn't say you tried to "bury" him but it sure looked like a scumread and that you're just hopping on board with HF. Not so much when you continued talking about it with him, but first for sure.
I don't agree with this at all.
Jock's post was pretty clearly motivated by humor to me.
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It was half humour and half to remind myself to check that you do actually make some useful posts later on.
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On June 25 2019 00:09 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2019 23:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 24 2019 23:24 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 24 2019 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
not the "he will have reads" sentence but the other one. I don't really understand what you mean. What exactly do you agree with Kels about? I agree with him that your post about grack after holyflare looked like what he said originally said. Well i wouldn't say you tried to "bury" him but it sure looked like a scumread and that you're just hopping on board with HF. Not so much when you continued talking about it with him, but first for sure. I don't agree with this at all. Jock's post was pretty clearly motivated by humor to me.
well then i guess you will join the pandain force.
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Skimmed through a game where trfel is scum. It's a bit old time wise, but he is much more confident in posting then here (which is the opposite of what I would expect)
Hmm,
Makes me feel a little better, but I still want to see where he is currently is on Eversince.
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Canada11355 Posts
vote count day 1
KelsierSC: (2) Pandain, Jockmcplop
Pandain: (1) Eywa-
Shapelog: (1) raynpelikoneet
Not Voting:
Holyflare
Alakaslam
Grackaroni
Shapelog
KelsierSC
Trfel
Eversince
KelsierSC is currently set to be lynched.
deadline is in
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On June 25 2019 00:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:Like that post is literally you hard defending mafia Calix.
Oh!
So not that game...
Well what can I say? Keep your friends close and enemies closer, It was all apart of my plan that game.
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On June 25 2019 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2019 00:09 Grackaroni wrote:On June 24 2019 23:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 24 2019 23:24 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 24 2019 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
not the "he will have reads" sentence but the other one. I don't really understand what you mean. What exactly do you agree with Kels about? I agree with him that your post about grack after holyflare looked like what he said originally said. Well i wouldn't say you tried to "bury" him but it sure looked like a scumread and that you're just hopping on board with HF. Not so much when you continued talking about it with him, but first for sure. I don't agree with this at all. Jock's post was pretty clearly motivated by humor to me. well then i guess you will join the pandain force.
Yeah pretty much.
This is where I am at the moment.
Pandain
Trfel
Jockmcplop
Kelsier
You could be right about Shapelog. I didn't understand your town read on Eversince and I don't know why you like Kelsier atm. He's defended me twice so far and it rubs me the wrong way.
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On June 25 2019 00:18 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2019 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 25 2019 00:09 Grackaroni wrote:On June 24 2019 23:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 24 2019 23:24 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 24 2019 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
not the "he will have reads" sentence but the other one. I don't really understand what you mean. What exactly do you agree with Kels about? I agree with him that your post about grack after holyflare looked like what he said originally said. Well i wouldn't say you tried to "bury" him but it sure looked like a scumread and that you're just hopping on board with HF. Not so much when you continued talking about it with him, but first for sure. I don't agree with this at all. Jock's post was pretty clearly motivated by humor to me. well then i guess you will join the pandain force. Yeah pretty much. This is where I am at the moment.
Pandain
Trfel
Jockmcplop
Kelsier
You could be right about Shapelog. I didn't understand your town read on Eversince and I don't know why you like Kelsier atm. He's defended me twice so far and it rubs me the wrong way.
Because Eversince as mafia seems to be picking on stuff and make it look like she thinks those things make someone mafia -- aka big cases and shit over completely NAI posts. If you're interested go read my Farah's case on her in here. That's pretty much the perfect reasoning why ES was mafia that game and i see none of it here.
I don't think Kelsier defending you makes him anything because he was defending you on stuff that doesn't make you mafia. Even if you're mafia this game that's not why you are mafia. I don't get HF's read too.
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On June 25 2019 00:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2019 00:18 Grackaroni wrote:On June 25 2019 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 25 2019 00:09 Grackaroni wrote:On June 24 2019 23:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 24 2019 23:24 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 24 2019 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
not the "he will have reads" sentence but the other one. I don't really understand what you mean. What exactly do you agree with Kels about? I agree with him that your post about grack after holyflare looked like what he said originally said. Well i wouldn't say you tried to "bury" him but it sure looked like a scumread and that you're just hopping on board with HF. Not so much when you continued talking about it with him, but first for sure. I don't agree with this at all. Jock's post was pretty clearly motivated by humor to me. well then i guess you will join the pandain force. Yeah pretty much. This is where I am at the moment.
Pandain
Trfel
Jockmcplop
Kelsier
You could be right about Shapelog. I didn't understand your town read on Eversince and I don't know why you like Kelsier atm. He's defended me twice so far and it rubs me the wrong way. Because Eversince as mafia seems to be picking on stuff and make it look like she thinks those things make someone mafia -- aka big cases and shit over completely NAI posts. If you're interested go read my Farah's case on her in here. That's pretty much the perfect reasoning why ES was mafia that game and i see none of it here. I don't think Kelsier defending you makes him anything because he was defending you on stuff that doesn't make you mafia. Even if you're mafia this game that's not why you are mafia. I don't get HF's read too.
Me neither.
It just shows that I was right to be scared.
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