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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 24 2019 15:48 GMT
#241
Then why do you think it makes Kelsier mafia? I mean like why does he do that if he is mafia when he can just shut up and not do it?
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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
June 24 2019 15:56 GMT
#242
On June 25 2019 00:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Then why do you think it makes Kelsier mafia? I mean like why does he do that if he is mafia when he can just shut up and not do it?

Because he wants to have an accusation?

I didn't say anything game relevant at all before this happened so it rubbed me the wrong way that he was calling out Jock for his post.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
June 24 2019 16:06 GMT
#243
I'm going to take a look at Shapelog.

I'm not actually super sold that Kelsier is scum. I think there may be some confusion because you/Kelsier read the tone of Jock's post differently from me/Pandain and that makes Kelsier's response look weird to me.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9713 Posts
June 24 2019 16:07 GMT
#244
I may have to downgrade my ES townread to null. Nothing useful so far, not really pushing for answers to questions or making any reads just posting alot.
Its still early though but for some reason I had ES as town and looking again I think that might just be the friendliness getting to me.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
June 24 2019 16:22 GMT
#245
I"m actually upgrading Rayn to town.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 24 2019 16:29 GMT
#246
I am gonna try to explain my read on Kelsier. I'd normally most likely not care about it atm but since we're 8vs3 i think i actually need to cut everything that i feel like is bullshit out of the thread so we can actually find mafia.

Here is Kelsier's firt real post in the game.
On June 24 2019 05:00 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2019 04:55 Trfel wrote:
@Shapelog, what are you cooking?

Currently I think Grackaroni is the best shot at being mafia. He didn't interact at all with anyone and just vanished from the thread, and it doesn't really make sense for him to be scared of an innocent child... unless he's mafia. I know it's not very strong but it's the best I see, anyone have any similar or different ideas?


Gracks entrance post/joke didn't mean anything. Did you expect someone to tell you otherwise?

noticeable things so far is that Shapelog says the same thing and this is a post that is correct and doesn't make Grackaroni mafia.

this is the follow up:
On June 24 2019 05:23 KelsierSC wrote:
Alright this hasn't really heated up, Sunday evening start so it's to be expected. Going to take off and get some sleep. I'll try and check in a few times each day depending on my availability.

Trfel's post is the worst thing so far I can't decide if it's someone trying to get the game going or if he's just nervous and is uncomfortable sitting quietly in the thread.

I don't know anything about Eversince. If i'm honest it does feel a bit too nice but maybe he is just a good person. That being said, He does like HF so how can you trust him.

this actually makes sense in case he is mafia, i agree. But so far, at this point my read on him is that he is trying to get the game going and not pulling any shit. I obviously disagree with his read on Trfel here but i don't think it makes him mafia.

Eversince claims Grack is irritating after this.

Pandain expresses some feelings i ahve no idea what that means on Grackaroni. At least Pandain has noticed the thing on Grack imo.

Me, Trfel and ES discuss Eywa. Holyflare comes in and accuses Grackaroni. Jock makes his comment about Grack. Now i think this is the kicker post:
On June 24 2019 16:28 KelsierSC wrote:
Morning Everyone,

Liked the discussion between rayn and trefl regarding eywa's reads. That's bumped trefl up. The scum reads seem off to me and need more explanation. I don't like ES particularly, but pandain is just one low content poster in a game of low content posters. ShapeLog town read also needs more explanation.

I don't like Jocks entrance. His first comment is he has nothing to add and things are uneventful. But as soon as HF throws out a name he jumps on it trying to bury Grack.

The red part makes perfectly sense in case Kelsier is mafia (unless mafia with Eywa -- lets assume here that Trfel is town). The green part however doesn't make any sense at all in comparison to the red one since he is letting one guy off the hook for doing the wrong thing (accusing Grack) and changing the subject to another guy. I don't think that's a mafia thing to do because i think the mafia thing to do is to let Trfel and Jock be town for now and join the accusation, accuse them both, or act like you dont know where your head is at because you are now confused especially since HF jumped in. I think all of those outcomes are better than what Kelsier did and i don't think what he did makes any sense from mafia perspective.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 24 2019 16:36 GMT
#247
On June 24 2019 19:42 Pandain wrote:
I have a strong town read on Jock because he seems to be posting very honest, genuinely contributing, and I think he reacted very honestly to Kelsier. I also like when he posted "Every read I have seen so far is a shot in the dark" because it seems like a very genuine town mentality. Hard to explain why but it really does.

I am going to be voting Kelsier because I absolutely hate his opening post.
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2019 16:28 KelsierSC wrote:
Morning Everyone,

Liked the discussion between rayn and trefl regarding eywa's reads. That's bumped trefl up. The scum reads seem off to me and need more explanation. I don't like ES particularly, but pandain is just one low content poster in a game of low content posters. ShapeLog town read also needs more explanation.

I don't like Jocks entrance. His first comment is he has nothing to add and things are uneventful. But as soon as HF throws out a name he jumps on it trying to bury Grack.


The bolded sentence just seems very forced, like he's trying to find someone to cast suspicion on. I in no way saw Jock's post as "trying to bury Grack", and I would love if anyone else commented whether they did." Maybe it could be an easy mistake, but then he later double downed on this when I think it's pretty obvious Jock wasn't really accusing anyone, and definitely not "trying to bury" him.

I am also retracting from my town read on Pandain because i am not sure if he is being honest here and i specifically cannot understand why would i ever defend Kelsier at this point of the day if i was mafia with him.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 24 2019 16:40 GMT
#248
idk like let's start with the fact that he seems to be fully caught up with the thread but unfortunately that post is not Kelsier's opening post...
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
June 24 2019 16:45 GMT
#249
Stressful time at work which is why I disappeared. I will catch up then hang out for about 20 minutes or so
Zerg for Life
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 24 2019 16:48 GMT
#250
On June 25 2019 01:22 Grackaroni wrote:
I"m actually upgrading Rayn to town.

is this what you got from looking into shapelog or where did you leave that?
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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
June 24 2019 16:50 GMT
#251
On June 25 2019 01:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2019 01:22 Grackaroni wrote:
I"m actually upgrading Rayn to town.

is this what you got from looking into shapelog or where did you leave that?

I'm writing about that atm now but it's hard for me to explain.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
June 24 2019 16:51 GMT
#252
Town read is from reading you not Shapelog though.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 24 2019 16:54 GMT
#253
Okay once you finish your post can you tell me why you said you will be looking into shapelog next and ended up townreading me instead?
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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
June 24 2019 16:55 GMT
#254
I'll just start with the easy part.

I feel like this is projecting because Shapelog's own opening reads as overly friendly to me:

On June 24 2019 05:14 Shapelog wrote:
If I'm being more serious though, it feels like your trying to hard to be the ideal townie and that scares me. You seem already trying to be buddy buddy by your attitude. Maybe this is how you play. But to me, it's really suspicious you acting this way off the bat.

This post in particular seems unusual to me.

On June 24 2019 04:44 Shapelog wrote:
I'm cooking so I'm here and there rn.

Eversince this is a no fun zone. What do you think this is? OMGUS.net? I hereby ban all jokes. Hopefully this will help bring to life the game thread and protect my immortal rule.

Speaking of playing together before, I cant remember the last time I played with you kel. Feels honestly forever since I've played.

Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
June 24 2019 16:56 GMT
#255
On June 25 2019 01:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay once you finish your post can you tell me why you said you will be looking into shapelog next and ended up townreading me instead?

I read both of you. I read Shapelog first and then read you to try to understand what you were saying.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 24 2019 16:59 GMT
#256
On June 25 2019 01:56 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2019 01:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay once you finish your post can you tell me why you said you will be looking into shapelog next and ended up townreading me instead?

I read both of you. I read Shapelog first and then read you to try to understand what you were saying.

I am going to need a clarification on this because i read you read shapelog, then me, you don't know what i am saying but before giving shapelog any read you read me town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 24 2019 17:01 GMT
#257
What i am saying though is that i think i have evidence that Shapelog is easily capable of going deeper into why people post what they do when he is town and in this game he isn't showing that towards Trfel.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
June 24 2019 17:02 GMT
#258
On June 24 2019 16:52 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2019 16:49 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 24 2019 16:42 Jockmcplop wrote:
Kelsier how exactly was I trying to bury grack?
What does that even mean?


you didn't mention him until HF called him mafia and then you piled on.


I didn't pile on though did i?
I didn't even suggest that he's mafia.

Why are you being so hyperbolic about this? This wasn't a pile-on or an attempt to bury someone, it was just a single sentence reminder that he said he was going to post more.


On June 24 2019 16:53 Jockmcplop wrote:
When I ask why you're being so hyperbolic and over the top about this, its not a rhetorical question by the way.


It's stupid to ask leading questions like this but i'll answer just to clear up the confusion. Initially you had nothing to add, HF calls grak scummy, you then supported this with a capped, bolded post. To me that's opportunistic piling on. Now you say you were just joking so maybe I missed what was so funny about it in the moment.

On June 24 2019 17:03 Eversince wrote:
I think Kels is hung out as much because you bold and capped it. It seemed way more emphasized than normal.

Kels, I have limited time. So that you don't like me we can chat! Few minutes at least..


I said before that I don't like your tone but it's a nothing read so I wouldn't pay too much attention.

On June 24 2019 19:42 Pandain wrote:
I have a strong town read on Jock because he seems to be posting very honest, genuinely contributing, and I think he reacted very honestly to Kelsier. I also like when he posted "Every read I have seen so far is a shot in the dark" because it seems like a very genuine town mentality. Hard to explain why but it really does.

I am going to be voting Kelsier because I absolutely hate his opening post.
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2019 16:28 KelsierSC wrote:
Morning Everyone,

Liked the discussion between rayn and trefl regarding eywa's reads. That's bumped trefl up. The scum reads seem off to me and need more explanation. I don't like ES particularly, but pandain is just one low content poster in a game of low content posters. ShapeLog town read also needs more explanation.

I don't like Jocks entrance. His first comment is he has nothing to add and things are uneventful. But as soon as HF throws out a name he jumps on it trying to bury Grack.


The bolded sentence just seems very forced, like he's trying to find someone to cast suspicion on. I in no way saw Jock's post as "trying to bury Grack", and I would love if anyone else commented whether they did." Maybe it could be an easy mistake, but then he later double downed on this when I think it's pretty obvious Jock wasn't really accusing anyone, and definitely not "trying to bury" him.


you realise this wasn't my opening post. furthermore you talk about it being an "easy mistake" or being obvious, this was a real time conversation so it was the impression I had.

I suppose if you come to it later and see people disagree with me you can try and attack me for it and say shit like

"I in no way saw Jock's post as "trying to bury Grack", and I would love if anyone else commented whether they did"

Looks like you are just trying to jump on a bandwagon here.
Zerg for Life
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 24 2019 17:04 GMT
#259
On June 25 2019 02:02 KelsierSC wrote:
I suppose if you come to it later and see people disagree with me you can try and attack me for it and say shit like

"I in no way saw Jock's post as "trying to bury Grack", and I would love if anyone else commented whether they did"

Looks like you are just trying to jump on a bandwagon here.

I wanted someone to say this <3
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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
June 24 2019 17:04 GMT
#260
On June 25 2019 01:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2019 01:56 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 25 2019 01:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay once you finish your post can you tell me why you said you will be looking into shapelog next and ended up townreading me instead?

I read both of you. I read Shapelog first and then read you to try to understand what you were saying.

I am going to need a clarification on this because i read you read shapelog, then me, you don't know what i am saying but before giving shapelog any read you read me town.

I filtered Shapelog. I had him as a mafia lean. Then I read your filter and liked your push and decided that you believed it so I said in thread that I was upgrading you to town.

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