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On May 19 2019 15:57 Holyflare wrote: What artanis actually joined lol? I was confused by that. I thought someone had jokingly figured out a way to make it look like he joined, but then he was here and there was much joy. | ||
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On May 19 2019 17:42 Holyflare wrote: Which jock are we getting this game? I hope it's the good fun one.p Yeah last time was a horrible mistake executed poorly with questionable realistic prospect of success. Not this time! | ||
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Why you say this? | ||
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On May 19 2019 18:14 wherebugsgo wrote: go look at your role PM. BTW I'm glad you're here asking this question in this game  help me read you properly and all will be fineOh I get where he's coming from and I kinda like it too but to me its just hf being hf. Its not really alignment indicative imo, it just could be given a couple of assumptions. All he needed to make that post was to read some other posts at the beginning of the game. | ||
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This music makes mafia better btw I would recommend especially on full volume on a Sunday morning. | ||
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On May 19 2019 18:22 Holyflare wrote: there's only 2 scenarios, one of which is a bit shit and the other is that he's mafia Is the shit scenario that that town vanilla is a named role and VT is something different? | ||
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On May 19 2019 18:29 Holyflare wrote: This sounds just like when I went to the music shop the other day and like 8000 people are sitting there testing out drums. I prefer my music to sound a tad less like 1000 cats being stuck in a washing machine though, but different strokes and all that. BORING | ||
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On May 19 2019 19:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also HF's point on Rayn is NAI as the host had already cleared it up by then. Bugs giving HF easy towncred on that grants him some free scumpointsTM. I was hoping someone else would be around  Yeh this is exactly what i was getting at. There's no need to be so quick to townread hf. The guy is opaque at the best of times and that wasn't really anything imo. | ||
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On May 19 2019 20:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: What? I copy pasted my first post from last game and changed some words and order lol. Why would you bother doing that when it would be quicker just to type 'I'm VT'? | ||
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On May 19 2019 20:29 Jockmcplop wrote: Why would you bother doing that when it would be quicker just to type 'I'm VT'? I mean like seriously dude that's one massively inefficient way to type a small introductory message. | ||
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On May 19 2019 20:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote: It doesn't really matter either way though. It has no impact on his alignment. Rayn, what was the plan behind it? Yeah but nothing's happening so I was trying to get mileage out of the only interesting thing and I just find it a weird way to post. Its not really scummy** but its more just funny and interesting to think about rayn saying hello in such a convoluted way. **(not as scummy WBG townreading hf for no reason though) | ||
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On May 19 2019 20:56 Holyflare wrote: ??????????????????? Rayn's post was BEFORE the host cleared it up how the fuck is it NAI? He either got a pm saying he was town vanilla which is absolutely not the case because it's not that or he doesn't know what the fuck the role even was called What do you think about the weird townread WBG made on you? Its not like anything you have posted would confirm you as town right? | ||
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I just don't like anything you posted so far. Lets go over your reasoning for posting that first message. You thought it would be fun, rather than posting something relevant that makes sense, to post your role but write it wrong by copypasting a previous message and then changing the order of the words? Is that your idea of fun rayn? IS THIS HOW YOU HAVE FUN??? May I suggest you try dropping acid or something. | ||
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You're like some supreme detective ultra skilled town player right?? SHOW ME YOUR WAYS. There's no way hf can be confirmed town from anything he posted. I'm struggling to see WBG as an over eager townie making such a simple mistake so early on. | ||
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On May 19 2019 21:16 VisceraEyes wrote: As someone currently coming down off a pretty massive acid trip (and simultaneously healing from sunburns ) I can confirm that this IS a decent way to have fun.haha me too | ||
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On May 19 2019 21:24 Holyflare wrote: Don't really like the rayn defending in here now. Sure, the points may have been facetious and exaggerated and he may have had that as a "funny" entrance but what has he learnt, where are his reads and what does he think now that he's got 3 votes with people piling on him? So what if he's mafia? This post is just silly because regardless of his alignment or role pm he could have simply just done the same thing without a plan and said the exact same things. Nothing about his alignment changes his response, it's the things he does (or doesn't) do after that do! I haven't heard the trademark rayn calling me mafia, nor have I really heard ANYTHING. That is why rayn is mafia ladies and gentleman. Case closed. Case closed? Already?? Man you are really good at this. | ||
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On May 19 2019 21:28 VisceraEyes wrote: HF playing with unwarranted confidence is like, par for the course regardless of his alignment. He may be right that rayn is mafia, but that he's trying to angleshoot to prove it and back it up with bad meta is.,...boring af. Does anyone have any suspicions that do NOT have to do with rayn and his role PM? I dislike rayn's responses so far quite intensely hence the vote. Other than that WBG should come back and nothing else has really happened right? Artanis is looking townish to me but apparently he's all kinds of good as scum so I'm going to sheep your maybetownread for now. | ||
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On May 19 2019 21:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I had one strong scumgame in imperial and now the only way I ever get actual townreads is screaming at people when I'm up for lynch. Feels badman. I feel for you but I gotta defer to the experience of others on matters of meta. You guys all know each other's play pretty well. You get townread if you help me lynch scum day 1. | ||
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On May 19 2019 21:47 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Vote: georgewbush I just didn't want to be the first. Too suspicious. Are you saying that its suspicious that artanis voted for him first? | ||
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On May 19 2019 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean this is the whole point of the case. Holyflare can actually brainfart and believe this is true and definitely is shameless enough to write shit like that. So nothing much to say about him. Jock is probably just new enough to idk just sheep and not think further. Gut says town becaise it would just give him more to talk about if he was just being right. Bugs should know better. Artanis and VE are being smart, which doesnt surprise me. At least VE is most likely friend. Latest posts say Artanis might be too. What further thinking have you provided the content for? Its day one and your explanation for that weirdly worded first post wasn't really making a whole lot of sense. Its enough for now. Maybe do something that makes me think you aren't mafia (calling everyone who voted for you shameless/should know better/new and clueless doesn't count). | ||
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On May 19 2019 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean this is the whole point of the case. Holyflare can actually brainfart and believe this is true and definitely is shameless enough to write shit like that. So nothing much to say about him. Jock is probably just new enough to idk just sheep and not think further. Gut says town becaise it would just give him more to talk about if he was just being right. Bugs should know better. Artanis and VE are being smart, which doesnt surprise me. At least VE is most likely friend. Latest posts say Artanis might be too. Is anyone suspicious to you yet rayn?? It seems like you're only defending yourself by telling people to play better instead of calling people out you think are being scummy. | ||
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On May 19 2019 22:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Did you even read what i wrote in the post i originally quoted? If you dont want me to excuse you for being new then youre probably mafia because you also should know better that no player that has played 100 games of mafia on TL could never ever think a host words VT as "town vanilla". That is the original case you agreed with. So which is it? I dont care what you think i did or didnt do after, but thats the literal argument you agreed with in the first place. What case did I agree with? I mostly agreed that your explanation for why you posted like that was weird and funny. I know you would like me not to talk about your responses since then, that would probably work well for you, but if you think about it the whole point of the early pressure on you was to see how you responded so trying to get me to ignore that and focus on the slightly irrelevant case that started it seems like misdirection. "Just ignore everything I have done except for the bit that I'm trying to get you to focus on". "Otherwise you are noob." Nah mate,I'm not having it. | ||
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On May 19 2019 22:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: I literally just wrote a post where i gave opinions on everyone and everything that has been going on in this game and jock (and now bugs) cone tell me "do something". And thats not dumb? Yeah there's a reason why people are ignoring your opinions when they can be summarized as "everyone who voted for me is stupid and everyone who didn't is smart" What do you expect me to read into that exactly? Is it the sort of post that would jump out at you as being made by someone who is scumhunting? | ||
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I'm not sure about the iGrok thing. Seems like a little thing to me. I'll check back later and see what has come of it. When I return it'll probably be after midnight and i'll probably be fucking wasted. | ||
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On May 20 2019 06:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: No. This one actually is a fucking slam dunk case. I have never been this sure without a check except for the rsoultin mderg not voting for each other case. And the ms paint one. This is top three and this is 100%. You can do whatever you want but he is mafia. I dont care if you, town, or both realise it in this game or after but i am not going to do anything but say this until i am dead or he is lynched. I'm just catching up now (I don't have much time to post but I'll be able to post at work a bit.) Rayn you're going to be very, very disappointed in yourself. Your case on me is absolute bullshit my friend and you know it. The reason I voted for you is simple, go look at BC's posts and the thing he keeps quoting. This was why I voted for you. Its also amusing that exactly what VE said would happen has happened. You started shitting up the thread with stupid nonsensical accusations. There is nothing contradictory about what I said. I can say I don't like something and also think it isn't scummy. And all because of this one thing I'm the most certain read you've ever had in your life? Think about that for a second. The most certain read you've EVER HAD is because I didn't like a post and then later on said I find it weird but not scummy. THE MOST CERTAIN READ YOU'VE EVER HAD. NEVER BEEN THIS SURE WITHOUT A CHECK. Are you real? | ||
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On May 20 2019 08:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: I will predict Jockmcplop never arrives anymore to this thread. P.S. i am awake from 7am until 11pm. Fuck you man. I'm here ask anything you want. I'm also grumpy in the mornings. | ||
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On May 20 2019 08:08 VisceraEyes wrote: The worst part of that Jock post is that he's calling rayn mafia by doing exactly what he told rayn was scummy about him fmp. He says rayn does nothing but come in and bitch about how people are playing, but complains about how rayn is playing. I did miss that iGrok was town last game for whatever reason I though iGrok was replaced by Vivax who got modkilled, but it was a simultaneous thing iGrok replaced when Vivax was unjustly modkilled. Honest mistake, but it doesn't change my read of this game. Just makes the throwaway meta part of it inaccurate. "Bitch about how people are playing" No VE, you're wrong my friend I was saying that his responses were scummy because rather than trying to find scum he decided not to do so in those early posts. What you're saying here is fundamentally untrue. I was actually TOTALLY calling rayn out on being scum. I wasn't bitching about how people are playing, whereas rayn literally just called a few people stupid and nothing else. | ||
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On May 20 2019 08:30 Conversion wrote: idk i havent played in a while but this sorta flaky thing is something that’s rather evident (like rayn just mentioned, he doesn’t take a stance really) someone correct me if that’s just how disfo plays, but i dont like pivot posts where someone goes “hmm good point but x” “this is true but y” might be personal bias against posts like that though. i’ll do a meta check once at a computer but i like my read right now WTF this is scummy. So apologetic about his read. And he has played recently - End of the World Mafia.. | ||
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On May 20 2019 15:11 wherebugsgo wrote: Would you kill ruxxar? If no, why not? What about disformation and Calix? Those are the three options I am presenting today, and if you want my rationale you can check my previous posts. We aren’t killing rayn day 1. I only have 10 minutes before I gotta go to work I'll have a quick check of their filters. | ||
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Obviously I needed to change my town play?!?!? | ||
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On May 20 2019 15:11 wherebugsgo wrote: Would you kill ruxxar? If no, why not? What about disformation and Calix? Those are the three options I am presenting today, and if you want my rationale you can check my previous posts. We aren’t killing rayn day 1. I can't figure out why you would want to kill ruxxar. Looking through your filter there's a post where you say its because of something he said but didn't quote it. I really, genuinely don't have time to go ook it up in the thread but man I can't see anything that really jumps out at me as scummy. Yet. Disinformation: I don't really like his posting. Its a little scummy to pick on reads that other people are making without making any of your own so he is certainly in the scumlean pile. Calix That first post was horrible. Later on he is posting things that make a little bit of sense. I'm interested in the VE/rayn setup idea, although I'm also open to that literally just being VE knowing that rayn would shit up the thread because he always does this. | ||
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Rayn case is stupid and he shouldn't be confident in it but that's not scummy in itself. It just means he's a terrible town player or possibly overacting on his tenuous read because he's scum, but that waits to be seen. | ||
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On May 20 2019 15:25 wherebugsgo wrote: Jock, here: The tl;dr is that my read is on the basis of ruxxar’s entrance post plus his reaction to the resistance that Calix put up. OK Yeah. Like I don't think its the scummiest thing I've seen in the game but you have got a point. I might be down for ruxxar vote. I'm leaving it unvoted for now though lets see what happens with this today. | ||
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On May 20 2019 15:12 Jockmcplop wrote: WTF this is scummy. So apologetic about his read. And he has played recently - End of the World Mafia.. Bugs what do you think of this. | ||
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On May 20 2019 15:55 ruXxar wrote: I do the same shit when im mafia, playing the “knowitlall good guy mafiiso armchair hunter #1” to be fair bugs played the same way last game as town | ||
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On May 20 2019 06:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: Always mafia right there, even for the most retarded people in this game. No one else is seeing what you're seeing, ask yourself why that is. Its only contradictory if you ASSUME that what I was doing when I voted for you was saying 'rayn is scum and we should lynch him'. Ask yourself if there's another reaosn I could have voted for you. Like maybe, that your explanation for your original post was ridiculous even if true, and I especially wanted to see more from you, particularly how you would go about finding scum. There is no contradiction in anything that I posted unless you make the assumption that every single vote is made with the purpose of lynching someone (even early on day 1). | ||
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At the moment in my scumlean pile for reasons i've already posted are: conversion ruxxar Calix Conversion's post is the most obviously scummy thing I have seen so far. On May 20 2019 08:30 Conversion wrote: idk i havent played in a while but this sorta flaky thing is something that’s rather evident (like rayn just mentioned, he doesn’t take a stance really) someone correct me if that’s just how disfo plays, but i dont like pivot posts where someone goes “hmm good point but x” “this is true but y” might be personal bias against posts like that though. i’ll do a meta check once at a computer but i like my read right now That just reads scum. How can it not?? "I think this guy is scum but I haven't played in a while (he has) and also it might just be that I don't like him." Other people. Come agree with me. This is so scummy. | ||
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On May 20 2019 16:18 Holyflare wrote: Jock I suggest moving away from rayn and forming opinions on other people. Rayn is a big time sink and the only thing that will change his mind is by playing townie. Yeah my previous post says as much. I'm finished with that unless he keeps on at me about it. What do you think of conversion? | ||
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On May 20 2019 16:21 Holyflare wrote: I think your post has a lot of merit, it's flaky and apologetic when it doesn't need to be. Like it a lot better than whatever people are posting about ruxxar because I don't think ruxxar looks too bad tbh. I don't like how bugs has essentially discounted iGrok and solely talked about VE's points and not mine and then given iGrok an afk excuse pass. iGrok is a good lynch imo. He hasn't posted enough for me to say that he's scum really but his lack of self defense is concerning and I'm always up for lynching a lurker on day 1. | ||
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I know people in general on here tend to be against policy lynches like that but in the game I played as mafia the way mafia won was by literally not posting (mostly) for the first few days. Is that the standard mafia meta here? Because if so, iGrok is a great vote. Otherwise I wouldn't really vote for him based off what he has posted, just what he hasn't posted. | ||
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Is this because you are posting bit by bit as you read the first pages or do you think WBG is sucm? | ||
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On May 20 2019 16:37 Jockmcplop wrote: koshi i'm really not getting scum vibes from WBG except for that one early bit where he gave towncred to hf but he kinda backed up on that a bit later iirc. Is this because you are posting bit by bit as you read the first pages or do you think WBG is sucm? Talking about this psot: On May 20 2019 16:35 Koshi wrote: Why you so smart? I quoted 3 posts by you already. Towncircle: Ve, Artanis. | ||
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On May 20 2019 16:31 Jockmcplop wrote: What does everyone think about lynching a lurker or someone that is AFK? I know people in general on here tend to be against policy lynches like that but in the game I played as mafia the way mafia won was by literally not posting (mostly) for the first few days. Is that the standard mafia meta here? Because if so, iGrok is a great vote. Otherwise I wouldn't really vote for him based off what he has posted, just what he hasn't posted. So it doesn't get lost. Anyone wanna talk about lynching a lurker? | ||
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On May 20 2019 14:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Again, im not saying kill jock as of right now. What I am saying is this. Keep an eye on him. The reason the post of his I quoted earlier i said was the "scummiest thing" he has done is a few reasons A) Outside Rayn he has basically done dick fuck all B) for a completely new player to change their meta so much with the same alignment 3 games in a row is shady. Basically hes a good cop check? Ruxxar, Calix and Disinformation to me are higher in likelyhood to strike red. Just out of interest bobby do you accept my explanation as to why i have changed my meta so drastically in the first few games?? I would have no need to change my meta if i was mafia, as the only game I have won so far was as mafia. My first two town games were both horrible mistakes - which is why i have deliberately changed my playstyle. I just don't want you to be suspicious of me based off that. I had a very, very solid reason to change the way i was playing when i instantly died in my first two town games. WOuldn't that make you want to change your playstyle? I also explained that the adjustments that I have made were due to reading along with the last game. Can you see how the things that were successful in the last game for town are influencing the way I am playing now? | ||
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On May 20 2019 16:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote: given that the lurkers in this game more or less (so far) are like Disinformation Ruxxar Calix and like Conversion are in that list more or less im semi fine with that? But only because most of the people lurking thus far are people i already want to hang. If you are so unsure with the current thread trend and who to lynch id almost say rng it instead. Do'nt forget iGrock. But yeah, that list of lurkers looks like SOLID pickings for a lynch. | ||
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On May 20 2019 16:56 Jockmcplop wrote: Do'nt forget iGrock. But yeah, that list of lurkers looks like SOLID pickings for a lynch. In fact, why would you leave iGrock out of that list? Did you forget, because I mentioned him the post that I quoted. | ||
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How embarrassing. Sorry dude I've been reading your name wrong for ages | ||
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On May 20 2019 17:01 Holyflare wrote: I think I currently want to lynch Koshi. He's clearly going down the side of buddying rayn which is smart and angling towards sowing discontent which is also smart but I'm not gonna fall for it. I'll see what boring conclusions he comes up with but he's chosen the wrong side of the fence. Can you point out specific posts that you feel are trying to sow discontent and how he's doing that please? Again, I need things explaining to me as if I'm a baby. It makes the game easier to play that way. | ||
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On May 20 2019 17:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Tbh Igrock gets a pass atm, along with artanis as they are names i recognize and would rather be sure on alignment before killing them. not saying they aren't mafia, just saying they both more or less look inactive as fuck and not like lurkers. Plus I far more prefer offing people in the list I listed. All of them scream scum for a reason here or there, and all of it after the stupidity of the first few pages / shit with rayn. Hmmm.... Not a fan of this reasoning but I'll let it pass for now. Can you explain to me why recongizable names (I assume that means people you have played with a few times before) means you don't want to vote for them based of inactivity? | ||
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On May 20 2019 17:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote: mainly due to it backfiring on me in the past. Offing a recognizable name before they have an opportunity to damn themselves can backfire royally and fuck the town out of a resource. Now, if I thought they had said something that screams super scum to me id be down, but as of yet I don't have anything besides a null read. Why off a null read when I have mafia reads? This makes sense. You think iGrock would be a good resource to keep if town? I have never played with him before so have no idea. I'm really up for a conversion lynch here. He isn't posting much but what he has posted is very scum. Like super scum. ##vote: conversion | ||
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On May 20 2019 17:13 Holyflare wrote: He's afraid that rayn will spot he's mafia so he's sided on buddying him. If he's reading the thread it's quite easy to see the points that weren't related to rayn's opening had merit. Everyone can at least agree on that. Apart from Koshi. Then he's trying to shovel stuff towards bugs/myself etc to sow those seeds of discontent and likely build a platform out of it. What will be most telling (although now he'll just read this post and change what he's doing if he's mafia) is where he ends up on. I've admitted my rayn stuff was semi fabricated. Bugs has the same stance as Jock (who koshi is now ignoring), calix myself etc. If he sticks to saying bugs and myself look worst then he's stuck in his mafia narrative. Isn't this exactly the problem with replying to things form the past without reading what's going on now? It seems like a tactic designed deliberately to keep the subject of discussion on old irrelevant arguments. Yeah koshi looks bad. Let's see if he has anything to say that's relevant to the state of the thread as it is now. | ||
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Look at his filter please! Its small, only a few posts, but its hella scummy, right? | ||
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On May 20 2019 17:24 Koshi wrote: I havent seen any posts yet. Also. Everything I post is liquid gold and you should be honoured to be able to witness a brilliant mind at work. Here's the thing. I wrote disinformation but meant conversion. I have no idea why I would get those two mixed up. Koshi what do you think of conversion?? Look at his filter please! Its small, only a few posts, but its hella scummy, right? | ||
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Like reading through his filter I can't see a single post where there's a clear town motive. He makes a read but says sorry and its probably wrong like because he hasn't played much. Later on its 'i'm on phone and lazy'. He's the third person in the space of a couple of hours to say he's on a plane and can't post. NAI on its own but looks scummy in context. Doesn't come back after. Long plane journey? Can't still post lazily on his phone when he lands/gets home. I mean if you're posting lazily why not just take the 2 seconds to do so. | ||
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On May 20 2019 18:10 Koshi wrote: Welcome to smart town. PS: also mafia reside in smart town. So you're saying that everyone who is playing smart could be town or mafia, and everyone who is playing stupid could be town or mafia. Welcome to pointless town, where every post is pointless. | ||
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On May 20 2019 18:11 Jockmcplop wrote: So you're saying that everyone who is playing smart could be town or mafia, and everyone who is playing stupid could be town or mafia. Welcome to pointless town, where every post is pointless. PS mafia ALWAYS reside in pointless town. | ||
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Its true but pointless as I said, to say it. Everyone could be town of mafia. Making a bunch of post to point that out seems kinda like you're wasting everyone's time - no matter how true it is. | ||
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If i was mafia I'd be delighted to be put in the stupid townie bracket but honestly I jsut wnat to lynch scum and play the game cooperatively with you guys. If koshi's ignoring me he is going directly against my objective of lynching scum and is therefore anti-town at best. Koshi if you think my reads are stupid or whatever help me read people better don't just say you're gonna ignore me cos that's just not cool. | ||
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I could but I'd rather see what WBG has to say about it. | ||
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On May 20 2019 19:34 VisceraEyes wrote: I sense HF abandoning me. Gotta find the better wagon. BRB Conversion's a baddie, join us. | ||
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On May 20 2019 18:39 disformation wrote: flaky is a new one. usually people say things like "waffly" "unoriginal" "no reads" etc. And I don't think I did a lot of stuff in this game so far so *shrugs*. is basically my play style so I suspect he is going to scum read me a lot? interested to see if he follows up on the meta though. jock is complicated for me atm. will do a post after lunch to explain. highway to the danger zone right into the danger zone great now i have an ear worm I don't like this post. Seems to inject some silly lightheartedness in there at the end but it sounds forced. As if its saying 'LIKE ME GUYS'. Does this seem off to anyone else? | ||
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On May 20 2019 19:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Bleargh.....maybe I can do that. All Convert does in filter is shit on disfo, back off that read and then....piss off? Is that accurate? Yeah basically. Pisses off using the same excuse as two people before him (might be true but still... yuck) | ||
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On May 20 2019 19:38 Jockmcplop wrote: I don't like this post. Seems to inject some silly lightheartedness in there at the end but it sounds forced. As if its saying 'LIKE ME GUYS'. Does this seem off to anyone else? Not saying he's scum but it caught my attention at least. | ||
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On May 20 2019 19:41 Koshi wrote: iGrok is the only real afk lurker imo. And I respect VE Conversion hits second place? Calix is most mafia. I think a lynch there is fine. Yeah I could vote for any of those and be happy with it. | ||
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On May 20 2019 19:48 VisceraEyes wrote: What is the certaintude around Calix about? What I remember of Calix didn't seem damning, I haven't filtered tho. And I at least DO remember some posts, like Calix here at least right? I think it was an intro post that just parrotted what other people were saying. Other than that I haven't really seen anything. I think koshi has a meta read of some sort (thinks calix is better than that as town). | ||
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On May 20 2019 19:50 Jockmcplop wrote: I think it was an intro post that just parrotted what other people were saying. Other than that I haven't really seen anything. I think koshi has a meta read of some sort (thinks calix is better than that as town). It was a bad intro post though. | ||
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On May 20 2019 20:55 Conversion wrote: why does he go from a scumlean to you finding a post about him and taking an ironically passive stance on disfo, something you’re calling me out for.. Disfo is still a scumlean but hasn't done anything that screams scum. Its mostly just for a general lack of good posts. One good post at this point would probably change my mind so I'm not inclined to vote for disfo on that basis. Honestly that second bit you quoted isn't something I'm very confident about. I would be a bit foolish to call someone out for being scum because I found thought they were being over friendly like that in one single post. Its too hard to tell the difference between over friendly and friendly on a forum post. If it was a pattern then yeah. I just pointed it out because I'm at work and don't have my notes with me so it makes it easier to write up ontes when i get home if I literally quote every single post that catches my attention. Its very different to your case because you have not done anything AND the one read you did make you made a weird excuse for why it could be wrong. That gives me strong scummy vibes. I wasn't really calling you out for being afk (iirc i said that's not scummy on its own) it was more just support for my case. | ||
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On May 20 2019 20:33 Conversion wrote: like i think it’s incredibly disingenous to cal me flaky and apologetic and trying to lurk for not doing much when the only other person that pointed disfo out at the point was rayn at that point. also fuck you why would i ever make an irl excuse when i can just literally disappear. also double fuck you because i didnt play the last game i was in because i lost my job Isn't appeal to emotion like number 1 in the mafia playbook? Sorry for being an asshole about it, but yeah that's just more evidence. | ||
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On May 20 2019 20:31 Conversion wrote: the fuck is Jock shitting on me for when I was literally on a plane and how are people eating that bullshit up as a scum read dude literally shared a scum read with me in a post and then still scumreads me stay classy in other news disfo still has done nothing and I’m still hearing a lot of white noise on other people so we should lynch disfo. I’m heading to work now so hopefully I can llay at lunch or something So if you want me to vote disfo based on them doing nothing then why shouldn't I vote for you? The only tihng you've done is kinda read disfo and while also saying you might be wrong about it. The reason I would have for voting disfo is basically the reason I'm voting for you, but applies less in disfo's case. | ||
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On May 20 2019 21:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I also really don't mind the Calix entry post as much as some people. Can be hard entering a game that's already started when your actual opinions just follow thread sentiment. Echoing it can be useful for people to know where you stand and it didn't feel like she was trying to pass it off as something she came up with. Do you think Calix normally plays differently? That's what koshi is getting at. Are we supposed to expect more? | ||
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He's behaving differently to last game in his posting style. Last game he was blue, but the difference is weird. On May 02 2019 04:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh no, you don't cut into rayn's sauna time with this Pandain. Let him answer it post-lynch. A non-sauna'd rayn is an unhappy rayn. On May 03 2019 04:03 VisceraEyes wrote: But really Bugs, I'm telling you, it's not interesting from that point on. Pandain can feasibly be excused for his posting due to the thread rate at the time. The really telling bit is at the beginning of the game when he was town. On May 03 2019 04:16 VisceraEyes wrote: NO RAYN I DIDN'T I will though, because I like you. On May 03 2019 04:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Man rayn fuck is this a MSPaint timeline case? If it is rather than read it I'd like you to draw it in MSPaint. On May 03 2019 04:40 VisceraEyes wrote: Man rayn that's painful. Like all it looks like to me is someone who's not used to playing with you taking umbrage with your playstyle. You didn't like his answers, but he DID answer. I'm definitely not seeing the mafia that you see. If there's something I'm missing, hit me up with it. Is it possible you're just mad? On May 03 2019 07:30 VisceraEyes wrote: You know what No. Pandain. No. You don't get to come in here and jizz all over the thread about "trying to lynch the gf" when A) you had literally zero credibility beyond your ability to provide ONE vote, and not even a vote OFF the main wagon. It was a useless vote on Rels that went nowhere and meant nothing, just like the Vivax vote. In fact, it makes sense to me that the mafia team would be trying to capitalize on a possibly MODKILLED GF. ##Vote: Pandain Notice how he directly addresses people by name when he's talking to them, as if he's trying to cooperatively play the game as part of a town team hunting scum. not a single example of that in this game. Not once. Is that a mafia tell? Dunno, but its a weird change in posting style. Also important... In the last game he did the following thing when he was trying to get people lynched: On May 01 2019 10:51 VisceraEyes wrote: You should bring your sword and lynch Jock with us. On May 03 2019 21:10 VisceraEyes wrote: Join the Pandain Counterwagon of Greatest Glory tm I haven't seen anything like that either. | ||
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I can't tell if its a good scum read or not. HELP ME. It might be nothing, i just noticed a change in his post style and having looked through a couple of filters that was what jumped out at me. | ||
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On May 20 2019 22:32 disformation wrote: i mean... a) you yourself said that ppl shouldnt meta you on a change of posting style since you mix it up on purpose? b) you could go to the database and dig out town and mafia games of VE and look for yourself if that could be a meta case? My response to a) is that its probably different getting a meta read on someone who's been here for years compared to trying to do the same with someone who's only ever played 3 games of mafia. Of course I'm going to change up my style, I'm doing it deliberately. I would expect someone who's been here for ages to settle in to a posting style and not make weird small changes like that. b) I'm going to do exactly this when I have time but I'm at work so I don't have an hour or two to spare to do that rn. | ||
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On May 20 2019 22:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote: What changed between these two posts? This was all that was posted by them in between: In between, BC also posted this: Did he not read RuXxar's post the first time? Why is he suddenly more scummy than Calix? This is actually interesting. I'm going to have a look at his filter very soon. I have a theory on why BC changed his opinion on ruxxar but i'm going to let him answer this case before I say anything. | ||
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On May 20 2019 23:22 VisceraEyes wrote: Ya I'm okay with BC honestly Artanis, the posturing and strawmen you mentioned in your first point about HF and rayn bidness just kinda feels like the way townBC thinks about the game. Trying to draw a line between the way townHF ended up playing last game and the way he's playing this game. Dunno I'm not seein what you see there. HEY ARTANIS LOOK AT THIS POST | ||
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On May 20 2019 23:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote: HI JOCK I SEE THE POST THAT WAS MADE 4 MINUTES AGO Notice the phrasing how it changed from earlier just after I mentioned how he changed his posting style since the last game. Its weird. | ||
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On May 20 2019 23:28 Jockmcplop wrote: Notice the phrasing how it changed from earlier just after I mentioned how he changed his posting style since the last game. Its weird. Like I was all perfectly willing to drop it. It seemed like a bit of a stretch to relate it to mafia playing. Sure, he could just change the way he posts due to time passing or whatever, but then he immediately starts calling people by name again as soon as I point out the change. | ||
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On May 20 2019 23:32 Calix wrote: I don't understand how this whole 'name' thing shows mafia motivation, lol. It doesn't its just weird. HUh, I'm probably wrong. | ||
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On May 20 2019 23:32 VisceraEyes wrote: JOCK I SWEAR TO GOD IF I HAVE TO QUOTE WALL MYSELF ONE MORE TIME ON YOUR FUCKING BEHALF..... You forgot to finish your sentence. | ||
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On May 20 2019 23:37 wherebugsgo wrote: VE, Jock, Artanis, Calix can you guys stop fighting??? it's not actually getting us closer to solving the game. If you're all town, then please work with me and each other. I'm about to peace off to bed soon but bring the focus back to ruxxar and disformation where it belongs. My stances are pretty clear, just go read my posts. And, if you have your doubts on me being town at this point then honestly I don't know what to tell you. You could say that we need to town confirm each other before we can even start trying solve the game together, right? | ||
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On May 20 2019 23:34 VisceraEyes wrote: ...........YOU WON'T LIKE IT VERY MUCH I CAN ASSURE YOU!!! I quite liked it this time I'll be honest. Although it did kinda prove me wrong and make me look stupid so sorry for being a stupid townie. At the same time, your posting does seem kinda different to me. I dind't go look that up for no reason, its jsut the only thing I could find. You aren't being as aggressive about trying to get people lynched either. Your in my null pile rn. | ||
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On May 20 2019 23:44 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not flamebaiting Jock if anything he's flamebaiting me. He's saying patently untrue things about my filter in a way that I can only assume is malicious given the loads of evidence I provided to the contrary. I have to try and decide if I think he's mafia for it now, which was annoying because I thought he was town before. Nah mate. That wasn't flamebaiting I jsut got it wrong about that specific element of your posting differently. You seem less aggressive though for real. | ||
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On May 20 2019 23:48 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah Jock backed right the fuck up off that real quick. Maybe rayn is right and I'm wrong. :/ Well you literally proved me wrong you want me to keep banging my head on that wall? Duh | ||
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On May 20 2019 23:53 wherebugsgo wrote: conversion I support you and would like to invite you to my town circle What's conversion done to make you think he's town? | ||
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On May 20 2019 23:55 Conversion wrote: The only thing I'd comment on is that I do not think Jock is mafia, and I think he is even less mafia if disfo flips mafia. either that or Jock made a huge misstep in poorly defending disformation I've not really tried to defend disfo as far as i remember. I jsut think you are more likely to be mafia form what i've read so far. Doesn't mean I think disfo is town. | ||
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On May 21 2019 00:05 wherebugsgo wrote: and again anyway Calix & Jock you should consolidate because we're not lynching Conversion today. Also Jock just FYI that I read you as town and I think your intentions seem good but if you continue doing what you've been doing I think you're eventually going to get lynched because you post a lot without thinking through the consequences. For instance, what is the purpose of attacking VE if you're trying to convince people that Conversion is scum? It dilutes the point of your message and makes people less likely to listen to you, especially if your points are off the mark. I know this cause I suffer from it a lot myself :p with that said you should vote ruxxar because he's the best lynch Yeah that's a fair point to be honest. I'm trying to contribute as much as I can to the thread but I can see why it comes off as unfocused. Its day 1 though, so I'm kinda flailing around a bit trying to get the lay of the land. Who do you think I should consolidate on to? I could go for a ruxxar lynch or even disinfo at a push, but I'd rather lynch conversion given the choice. What makes you think 'we're not lynching conversion today'? | ||
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On May 21 2019 00:05 Conversion wrote: so tell me why disformation IGNORING ME FOR THE PAST 40 PAGES NOT MAKE HIM SCUM I didn't notice that disfo was ignoring you. That kind of thing is not easy to spot. I'll check his filter again for this when I get home from work in about an hour (or when I've watched Game of Thrones after that). | ||
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On May 21 2019 11:30 ruXxar wrote: Bugs sounding like a broken record and repeating yourself ad nauseam doesnt make the genie pop out of bottle and make your wish of me being mafia come true. It does however make me think youre just a dumb town tunneling. Unless youre scum buddy with calix trying to deflect his lynch(which i find unlikely after your call out post), youre just stuck in the typical town ego trap of mafia read confirmation bias. Your ego wont allow you to back down from this lynch now that youve put so much into it. I see no point why you as mafia would keep pushing me at this point. Thats fine, i get it, ive been there. Ill just ignore you from now on as youre very clearly too deep in the hole to think rationally any longer. I do want to bring attention to the huge momentum swing we’ve had in activity from certain players. The beginning of the game was a big shitshow dominated by the presence of rayn and hf. Both of which have gone either completely silent(rayn) or currently do not give a shit(hf) Rayn really outed himself in a dumb way that i dont think mafia would do. He took a what i would consider big gamble by goung full retard. He was on the chopping block for a while but made it out alive. Hes very likely town at this point. Hf on the other hand, is currently playing a masterful scum game. Hes controlling his thread presence well, but has basically taken no hard scum stances on anyone. Hes wobbling and flaky in his reads and he refuses to take a stance on the main wagons by either defending or pushing them (calix and me). Lately he seems very content with where the thread is heading and is very indifferent to the outcome of this lynch, despite claiming that i was not scum earlier and refusing to make up a fresh opinion. I see no real motivation behind his actions besides his content in letting this lynch play out. HF reeks of scum and is almost certain to flip mafia at this point, summing up the development of his thread interaction, lack of real motivation and indifference to the current situation. Tldr: Bugs is dumbo town. Rayn is town. HF is mafia. ##vote holyflare I just woke up and read the thread and I gotta say I dislike this post. Quite alot. Picking bugs, rayn and HF to talk about is a very deliberate ploy imo. Just focusing all the attention away from any reasonable wagons, basically ignoring EVERYTHING that happened in the whole thread after the point where ruxxar was first voted for. Its like you read that at least 4 people have stated 'going against thread sentiment' as a reason to townread someone and just thought to yourself 'how can I go against thread sentiment while protecting myself'. It seems so fake. It seems even more fake because you hadn't really provided solid reads until this point and then someone points that out and magically you pop up with a reads post where your main read doesn't make sense. Add to that the fact that you're clearly lurking and only turn up to respond to accusations (in a way that so precisely answers those accusations - as if yeah you had reads but for some reason waited until now to post them). I hate this post. Its scummy. What do you think of conversion, BC, koshi and VE right now? Just one sentence on each would be fine. You've made some posts but I really don't know what you're thinking when it comes to most of the people playing the game. | ||
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Normally he has tried to make a case on someone by now. I take that criticism back ruxxar. I still think your post is a bit scummy but you have a point on hf. He hasn't done anything. He's voting for the most afk of afkers which is literally the opposite of what he normally does. He argued with rayn on my behalf alot and that really is the most active he's been in the thread. Since then he has got nothing done except give a bunch of town reads and then say that maybe he was wrong about them. I'm confused. Is everyone scum except me? So far - the people I would townread are: Artanis (just because I haven't seen anything scummy from him) WBG (is playing like town WBG - this changed from the first couple of hours but I was reading too much into a simple mistake) Scum are: Conversion still hasn't convinced me to change my vote. Being angry about being voted for is NAI. Trying to make me stop talking about the fact that he said he hasn't played when he has. Repeatedly says 'fuck you it was because i was fired.' This is bad. All he needed to say was that he replaced out. Its like he REALLY doesn't want me to talk about it. ALSO HE TUNNELS DISFO BUT HAS DONE NOTHING ELSE NOTHING One single tunnel in a game could easily be fake. Conversion what are you thinking about others in the thread??? (other than disfo) You said you have 24 hours to convince us you're town but since then you've done absolutely nothing that would convince anyone you are town. HF (scumlean) - Ruxxar's case is interesting. You are normally leading the thread or getting involved with trying to get people onto a wagon. You aren't doing what you normally do as town. I think every game I've played with you you've been blue - and in each one you were one of the main presences in the thread - at least trying hard to get stuff done. You seem to be reacting to other people's reads alot more than you are making your own. Can you explain this for me. This game is confusing as all hell. I don't get it. I don't like Koshi, don't like disfo very much either, BC is suspicious and they can't all be mafia FFS. I'm leaving these guys as null for now with VE - who claims to be obvtown but I don't see it yet. | ||
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On May 21 2019 06:33 VisceraEyes wrote: WHERE THE FUCK IS RAYN!? | ||
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On May 21 2019 00:10 Conversion wrote: but again, not really focused anywhere else and if that makes me scum then so be it On May 20 2019 23:54 Conversion wrote: I don't need thoughts on other players, I have caught scum in disformation and am currently meta diving him. I invite you to join me and lynch scum with fire On May 21 2019 10:53 Conversion wrote: ruxxar: + Show Spoiler + On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote: sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics. i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun. - jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart. - hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up. - VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia. - rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho. - bugs looks aigh tish. - i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information. already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them. ##Vote calix ok starts off pretty much sprinting out of the gate, calling calix scum let’s see where the leads to On May 20 2019 06:54 ruXxar wrote: @rayn did your opinion on calix change or what? asks rayn if his opinion changes, but like 30 posts ago rayn was ranting about how Calix was mafia? not sure what the point of this jab was TBH.. doesn’t look like he follows it up either On May 20 2019 15:50 ruXxar wrote: You dont like my entry post but seem just entirely fine with calix list post. Of course you do when he calls you town lmao kinda omgusy defense towards bugs here On May 20 2019 16:42 ruXxar wrote: So is calix scummy or not? Make up your mind. You say im scummy for reading calix as scum, but now youre calling calix scum also. #galaxybrain bugs makes a pretty big post, ruxxar kind of just shitposts back at him? which is funny because he said we’s not trying to shit up the thread On May 21 2019 01:39 ruXxar wrote: so i spent about an hour reading through filters to refresh and condense my thoughts. tbh my opnions didnt change much. new development being koshis entry and seeming fairly townish. im starting to dislike jock a lot, his thread presence is annoying and erratic, i wish he would calm down and focus. my scum read on calix remains, though i liked her post on conversion. speaking of: im sensing some fake agression from conversion. might be tryharding to imitate town meta. i could be swayed to vote conversion today. this part is hilarious. bugs wanted ruxxar to talk to him (bugs) about me (conversion), but ruxxar just shits on him, comes back like 5 hours later or whatever and suddenly I’m a scum lean. wtf? On May 21 2019 06:02 ruXxar wrote: When you have these two posts in the thread then making the following post on calix is not exactly a bold original idea. It could be construed as trying to get a second wagon started without risking yourself. Do notice that both me and rayn voted for calix. But bloody despite calling her post «screaming fucking mafia» did not join voting. Perhaps waiting to see if thread sentiment would build further onto calix first. if I read this out of context it looks like a townie trying. I think I’m starting to see a little bit of people’s issues with ruxxar— it almost feels like he has a disconnect with his ideas and his actions. he doesn’t seem to engage with the thread in any way, throws out a bunch of reads, and without that engagement I can see why he looks scummy. hmm give me a good night’s rest to sleep and recharge and I’ll reread my thing and some other cases on him (if you could be so kind to point it out some cases, I don’t have to waste extra time digging through the thread) Don't need thoughts on other players. Perfectly content just to talk about disfo and ignore everyone else, if that makes you scum then so be it. BUT Just happens to agree exactly with thread sentiment about ruxxar as well. | ||
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On May 21 2019 14:46 iGrok wrote: Jesus, how did you guys generate 40 pages of filter in 48 hours. Not all the way done, but first of all - thanks BC for calming people down a bit. I think. Maybe I should wait to say that until I get through the rest of this. I'm particularly interested in what you think of conversion, hf and VE (cos I don't know what to think of VE) | ||
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On May 21 2019 15:05 wherebugsgo wrote: Jock I think conversion is town based on his tone and responses to being called out. He’s pretty self-aware that he’s only focusing on disformation so a part of me wants to help disformation die so he can do other things but actually if you read he is doing things other than tunneling disfo. For example response posts, 775 780 and 787 are all posts that I find would be difficult for scum to fake. At the moment I think they’re both town though. Hmm... OK Well I can see that you think he is town. Nothing you've posted would convince me that he's town though. I've just looked at those three posts and they all seem NAI to me. I could well imagine mafia posting any of those. Do you think hf is playing differently to usual? Where is his pushing for a lynch? Why i he going for afkers when he never does that. | ||
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On May 21 2019 15:27 wherebugsgo wrote: I don’t think HF is playing particularly out of band here. Right now I’m still rather confused at some events in the game. Based on HF’s style of adding up townreads and lynching through the rest, and what he’s posted so far on feeling unsure about said townreads, I imagine he just hasn’t been able to get enough of a grip on the game and resorted to voting iGrok. Now that iGrok is back and EU is waking up I fully expect HF to do some reevaluations and if he doesn’t, then I’ll become concerned. I’m also waiting for him to react to certain things I’ve noted and I want to see if his opinions move in a way that I’d expect. So far so good though; my opinion on HF is that he’s a fairly logical player even if sometimes he harps on weird stuff or goes pants-on-head like he did with me last game with his inordinately stupid fake claim red check. Btw why I pointed out those 3 posts is because I think mafia tend to not try to call as much attention to themselves in non-chalant, repeated ways. It’s especially the case in his responses to Calix, because he essentially says “hey look I can make you look bad too” without OMGUSing, and I think most scum in that situation would not be bold enough to counter like that. OK thanks for explaining... I'll bear that in mind as he posts more. IMO from what he has posted so far that isn't nearly enough to make me townread him or downgrade my scumread on him. I just want him to scumhunt in a way that doesn't seem fake. His sudden about turn from "I only want to talk about disfo" to agreeing with thread sentiment on ruxxar is an example of this. Let's see what happens today. With hf, I'm very much in the 'wait and see' camp with you on that one. He might come here and do his usual hf thing, and you explanation for why he is acting the way he is actually makes sense in context with his previous games. I think I'm getting a little bit thrown with the 72 hour days. The rhythm of the game is different - I think this might be why everything is a little bit wild at the moment... No-one's really motivated o properly push a lynch because there's so much time left. | ||
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On May 21 2019 07:59 disformation wrote: getting kinda late here, but i can be around a bit longer. so head kinda at: there is something wrong in calix <> wbg <> koshi that i need to look at after ive gotten some sleep. i think bc hasnt explained the jock reads stuff so I actually have no idea how some reads in his filter came to be, which i dont like the longer the game progresses. the last page of his filter also doesnt carry a lot of good information. liked him better earlier in the game. I can actually explain this if you wanted me to... but I'm kinda waiting for BC to turn up and do so. He's been asked by disfo like 10 times to explain something and is ignoring it or being coy. I don't get why people can't be straightforward about stuff like this. Explain your reads people. | ||
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On May 21 2019 16:37 iGrok wrote: @bugs I have Koshi as my towniest read. Why? | ||
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On May 21 2019 17:01 wherebugsgo wrote: 682 is this: HF: I don't think iGrok is the lynch today. I'm not seeing how he's scum here. I'd rather you help me lynch ruxxar and help me understand what alignment koshi is here. Finding out koshi's alignment is a priority for me too in the next 12 hours. He seems to have strong opinions that don't follow with thread sentiment so if we can figure this one out some other things might fall into place. How are we gonna go about it? | ||
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On May 21 2019 17:26 wherebugsgo wrote: The most foolproof way would be just to kill him :D I like it | ||
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On May 21 2019 17:36 wherebugsgo wrote: I’m going to pretend rayn, Koshi, and VE all don’t exist in this game until d2 and I implore you all to do the same thing. Literally none of them have contributed anything useful all game and sadly there is a high chance at least one of them is town. We get the short end of the stick in determining their alignments later. On VE, if it’s unclear why he’s in my scumpile: VE is eventually going to come back and if he’s reasonable it’ll be obvious fairly quickly. However he’s already gotten so many things uncharacteristically wrong and dodged so many questions that it’s better to leave him alone and see if he does something constructive with the space rather than bait him into arguments where he’ll undoubtably bloat the thread as either alignment But you just asked hf to help you figure out koshi's alignment! | ||
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On May 21 2019 17:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: He already pissed me off and normally it stops sooner when he is town. Bit idk. I am noy gonna vote for anyways. Tbh i am not gonna change my vote at all because even if jock is town he is still +1 mafia. Noone as town should ever say shit like that then later on just say oh thats not why i said it you should just trust i meant something i didnt say. Dude wtf. I'm obviously not mafia. If you can't be arsed to bother reading the thread just say so don't make up some shitty excuse as to why you aren't changing your vote. | ||
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On May 21 2019 17:50 Holyflare wrote: Sorry what was I supposed to respond to? I am the perfect lynch bait. I could make a case on myself for being mafia. High activity poking on rayn to blow up into low activity keeping options open when everyone becomes active? I'm the mafia dream to push. Nobody can really argue with that. Push back on calix/conversion etc is all because they have blurred lines, nothing to sway one way or the other. Should there be a difference to me when I'm reading between lynch bait and scum? | ||
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On May 21 2019 18:10 Calix wrote: Point taken. Doesn't look like rayn's reads have changed with the flow of the game at all. His scum-reads are based on old info. And his points against Jock and I weren't good to begin with and are even worse now. Honestly I assumed that if he came back he would drop his thing about me being scum. Holding on to that in the face of everything that's gone on since he disappeared looks very bad. I was willing to forgive his madness yesterday as just butthurt and stupid but hanging on to it now looks as though he's conscious of what people are thinking of him. Rayn give me a GOOD reason why you haven't changed your vote. | ||
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On May 21 2019 19:02 wherebugsgo wrote: well, see HF, the thing about ruxxar is that he does not respond to questions that is really what makes him scum. Also what is it about his posts that you find not scummy? If it's tone, I already can tell you that's probably not alignment indicative for ruxxar. Plenty of people don't respond to questions. It doesn't always make them scum. What about ruxxar specifically makes not responding to questions scummy, but tone NAI?? | ||
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On May 21 2019 19:23 VisceraEyes wrote: Cool story, I don't care. Are you voting for me, or thinking about it? No | ||
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On May 21 2019 19:27 Koshi wrote: She is scum. You are all pants on head and I dont understand it. If calix is scum I have to rethink everything :/ | ||
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On May 20 2019 17:29 Koshi wrote: Might become spokepersons between plebeians and aristocrats. So koshi thinks ruxxar has hit the nail ont he head with his calix scumread here, and that stupid town should listen to him. Problem is, there are issues with this post --- the main one being that ruxxar is criticizing in calix the exact same thing he is guilty of in this post... Koshi are we supposed to ignore that inconvenient fact on the basis that you are absolutely sure that ruxxar is town and calix is scum?? Is there something else here that would suggest that??? | ||
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It was a slight lean based off your posts - nothing definite at all - but your voting and the fact that you are on conversion with me means that if you're scum I have to rethink more than my opinion of you --- it involves pretty much everything about my game so far. | ||
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On May 21 2019 19:40 Holyflare wrote: I honestly don't have one. I'll decide in my own time. Don't treat me as a town leader this cycle, just as a guy doing his own thing in his own time who will reach a conclusion eventually. Probably. I'll need to hear from ruxxar and make some connections first. Calix post saying ruxxar isn't scummy is my current focus. The problem is that we're all doing this, hence why the thread is mad stupid chaos. WBG is trying to lead and get people to lynch with him, but he has a weak target that no-one wants to lynch. It would really help if you would try and confirm yourself as town to the rest of us tbh. I still think conversion is scum and maybe rayn but I would go for ruxxar if I didn't feel iffy about yourself and BC this game. | ||
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On May 21 2019 19:59 Holyflare wrote: Wait you feel iffy about me?? When did that change? The following chain should explain it On May 21 2019 15:34 Jockmcplop wrote: OK thanks for explaining... I'll bear that in mind as he posts more. IMO from what he has posted so far that isn't nearly enough to make me townread him or downgrade my scumread on him. I just want him to scumhunt in a way that doesn't seem fake. His sudden about turn from "I only want to talk about disfo" to agreeing with thread sentiment on ruxxar is an example of this. Let's see what happens today. With hf, I'm very much in the 'wait and see' camp with you on that one. He might come here and do his usual hf thing, and you explanation for why he is acting the way he is actually makes sense in context with his previous games. I think I'm getting a little bit thrown with the 72 hour days. The rhythm of the game is different - I think this might be why everything is a little bit wild at the moment... No-one's really motivated o properly push a lynch because there's so much time left. | ||
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On May 21 2019 20:08 Calix wrote: Okay if nobody else is going to try pushing for a lynch then I'll do it. HF/ Jock/ WBG, we should go back to rayn. I'm pretty sure his train was pure. And since the pressure went off him, he's done pretty much nothing to redeem himself. ##vote raynpelikoneet I'm not saying no, but I'd like to talk to koshi first. | ||
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On May 21 2019 20:10 Conversion wrote: Just woke up and sort of caught up what are town goals today? @Jock you are horribly misconstruing my filter YET AGAIN. I’m inclined to believe that you’re bordering on scum trying to save ruxxar or disformation. you gave me shit for tunneling, and when I try and lsiten to others to have thoughts you call that out as well. do you want to 1:1 coach me so you can townread me? like wtf. It makes sense to me though. You also noticed you were tunelling disfo, and then went to the next easiest target with a half arsed post that agreed with the overwhelming thread sentiment at that time. Tell me you didn't do that?! You still have time to be townish. Just be townish. My vote isn't dead set. | ||
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On May 21 2019 20:13 Conversion wrote: easiest post? WBG asked me to untunnel, so I read a filter and put my opinions on it. you on the other hand, what have you done? Read my filter and you'll see. I'm genuinely trying to figure things out. Its taking alot of posts to do it, but I think I'll get there. Have I done something scummy??? There's really not much point in us two shouting at each other all day again. I still think you're mafia - all you have to do to change that is make a bunch of townie posts - you haven't done that yet at all. | ||
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On May 21 2019 17:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: He already pissed me off and normally it stops sooner when he is town. Bit idk. I am noy gonna vote for anyways. Tbh i am not gonna change my vote at all because even if jock is town he is still +1 mafia. Noone as town should ever say shit like that then later on just say oh thats not why i said it you should just trust i meant something i didnt say. I never said anything like this rayn you are talking shit. I don't understand why you think you can flat out lie about something that everyone can read in my filter. I also don't really get why mafia would even try that its soooooo fucking stupid. I'm tempted to vote you just so I can find out whether calix is scum or not. | ||
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On May 21 2019 20:28 Calix wrote: Calling bullshit on the idea that you can tell ANYTHING about my alignment from rayn's flip. Vote rayn because he's mafia, not because of some stupid "get information" idea you have -_- The thing is... If rayn is mafia he's even more retarded than if he's town. So I wouldn't vote for him on that basis --- as I explained in the above post. Why are you trying to start a wagon on rayn? Is he your #1 scumread? | ||
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On May 21 2019 20:44 Conversion wrote: how is that not good? are you serious. my entire filter is calling disfo scum, and the MAJORITY of people in the game are telling me (some which I believe to be town atm) that I’m wrong and to look elsewhere. you have Jock on your list crying about how I’m scum and being flimsy as fuck and not really looking into anything else yet you don’t question him/find him suspicious? this game man.. People I have 'looked into' during this game: You Hf a little bit VE a little bit then backed off Rayn more than once I've spent most of the first couple of rl days trying to get reads by asking questions and gathering information.. Tell me that's wrong... I dare you. Stop this OMGUS please it doesn't help anything. | ||
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On May 21 2019 20:52 wherebugsgo wrote: disfo, conversion, BC (especially BC, cause you came in with the intention of cleaning up the thread :D) you're doing that classic town vs town vs town shitfest thing. Let's back it up a bit, and come to an agreement that you all disagree with each other, and from this standpoint it looks like you're all arguing about completely pointless things when none of the things any of you are pointing out seem scummy to me. I would like to do this. I think we need to start working together more. I'll start with this: ##Unvote Right conversion, I still think you're scum but my vote will most likely land elsewhere. I'm fed of being being distracted with you putting me on the defensive while I'm trying to figure out more important shit. WBG: Can you see why I need to figure out calix/koshi??? Calix has almost exactly the same reads as me and is now trying to get the rayn trayn a running. However, Koshi is insisting that calix is scum and we're all stupid for not already knowing that. So... I need to know whether calix is scum so I can figure out whether or not to reevaluate absolutely everything so far. What are you thinking on this? I'm sorry for being fucking useless but I don't even know how to figure this shit out at all... especially while koshi isn't here. | ||
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On May 21 2019 20:59 Calix wrote: Stop dick-riding Koshi and come up with your OWN thoughts on me. I'm right here. Go read my filter or whatever and talk to me. It's not rocket science. Nice. I actually think one of you/koshi is mafia but can't really tell which.. which is why I'm asking other people for help, like you would in some sort of team game. Bizarre, huh? | ||
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I'm willing to go with WBG here if he says you are a good vote. It doesn't matter at this point whether you are retarded town or even more retarded mafia. You're going down. ##vote rayn | ||
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On May 21 2019 21:11 wherebugsgo wrote: here's the thing that's making me hesitant though If we're wrong about one or both of VE we get rid of an asset on D1 and despite this being a game with longer lynch cycles that's potentially a big loss Like, even if they're both scum together there's guaranteed to be a third person that's scum and I think that third person is probably an easier catch than either of them. In my opinion the world at this point makes total sense if VE & rayn are scum together, but that's too early for me to make that association for sure. What I'd rather do is try and hit that scum hiding somewhere, which we're pretty much guaranteed to have and we're more likely to hit if we're wrong on one or both of VE/rayn. You should vote rayn then. If we would be getting rid of an assett in VE, we wouldn't in rayn.. He has done fuck all useful in this game. | ||
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On May 21 2019 21:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Another thing is this Calix thing. There is simply no way Calix considers Holyflare town at the point she does. That always makes her mafia, that, and that only. I don't think she can actually consider me mafia aswell at that point but that's more of a minor point. In one of the last games Calix played, if not last, there was a different parity cop check between me and HF and town (Calix included) chose to NOT vote either of us off (lol) in a no-lylo situation. There should never ever be a world where calix should be that confident of her HF read at the point she came to the thread, regardless of what she thinks about my affiliaton. Do you have anything to say about anything that happened since the first two pages of the game? | ||
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Life's easy when u just act stupid all the time i suppose. | ||
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Rayn isn't going to contribute anything more guys he thinks he solved the game already. Get rid??? Get on the Rayntrayn. | ||
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On May 21 2019 21:27 Jockmcplop wrote: Rayn isn't going to contribute anything more guys he thinks he solved the game already. Get rid??? Get on the Rayntrayn. Seriously WBG if you were worried that you'd be getting rid of an assett in rayn here's your definitive answer. He isn't going to give us anything else because he solved the game in his mind in the first two pages. | ||
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On May 21 2019 21:43 Calix wrote: Rayn has literally done nothing but spew irrelevant things into the thread. Repetitive reads that add nothing new, some bullshit about previous games, insults...he's obviously trying to pollute the thread and stir shit up, not clarify anything. Thread would be ten times better if he hadn't posted at all, that's how much he is pushing mafia agenda. YOU WOULD SAY THAT YOURE STUPID AND DUMB | ||
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Why isn't everyone else also voting for rayn. Top notch high quality lynch right there. Obviously has zero town motivation for any single one of his posts. | ||
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On May 21 2019 21:51 Calix wrote: Actually that last point is legit. Because Jock and I have voted with each other on EVERY SINGLE TRAIN. I explained exactly why this is though. Koshi threw me for a loop with his insistence that calix is scum -- and given that calix and I have the same reads I was gonna try and be sure about that before I voted but I can't figure her out so I've jsut said fuck it and I'll vote for rayn anyway, He has been deliberately shitting up the thread with every post, is unhelpful and generally acting like a moron. | ||
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On May 21 2019 21:54 Calix wrote: Okay but why do you care so much about what Koshi thinks? I don't get it. I have him as either scum or very smart town. He doesn't go with thread sentiment and has strong definite reads. He's worth listening to or lynching imo. I don't get it when WBG says to ignore him. | ||
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On May 21 2019 21:56 Holyflare wrote: I don't find this consistent tbh maybe. He seems to be valuing other people's reads (eg Koshi) to use as an excuse to be unsure of someone he has voted with at every instance. He just feels a bit off to me. You have said something like this in every single game I've played so far. Maybe I just seem that way to you??? | ||
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On May 21 2019 21:58 wherebugsgo wrote: on the bright side if we kill Jock and he flips town we could just kill rayn immediately afterward right? I'd actually love to see what would happen in that case Don't you think that maybe... JUST MAYBE That's why rayn decide to pick on me? | ||
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On May 21 2019 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah you could kill me and then kill Calix then cry after game because jock won. Are you still basing this on your failed interpretation of an extremely simple 3 line post? | ||
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On May 21 2019 22:01 wherebugsgo wrote: wait what? Why would rayn pick on you so that we'd kill him after killing you that makes no sense whatsoever No but he would pick on me because I'm obviously town and not gonna get lynched so you'll never find out. | ||
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On May 21 2019 22:09 VisceraEyes wrote: It actually should be easy, especially if Artanis comes back and gives a showing. But there are a few people I think we can all agree need to go that aren't me. We won't know until you name 'em | ||
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On May 21 2019 22:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: VE you need to stop doing the thing you did a couple of years ago when people accuse you. Just play please. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH OMG | ||
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On May 21 2019 23:05 Koshi wrote: Stop the stupid shading holy fuck maybe you are mafia. This is a very weird post to pick on. IT seems like a very sensible question to me. | ||
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On May 21 2019 23:30 disformation wrote: follow up: says it pretty much himself in that post. not sure of his town reads though? I did post town reads. Amusingly not even I want to look through my filter. WBG was my main townread. | ||
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Not a single person agreed fully with rayn's case on me yet VE is trying to engineer a wagon on the back of the fact that rayn won't change his vote... | ||
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Last time you said this i almost scumread you for it haha. | ||
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On May 21 2019 23:36 VisceraEyes wrote: omg it really is rayn/Koshi and I've just been taken for a ride this entire time. Yes | ||
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On May 21 2019 23:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Jock if you ever want me to consider you town you need to explain what you meant with the red parts in these posts thoroughly. Yes I will do that now. The original post you made was where you claimed town vanilla The reasoning you gave for why doesn't make sense to any reasonable person. Its like walking into a room but instead of saying hello, finding all the magazines in that room, cutting out the letters that spell helpppdfao and then rearranging for everyone so everyone knows you're there. It doesn't make sense and is stupid. At that point in the thread nothing else had happened. I didn't like your stupid reasoning that doesn't make sense. Maybe you do say hello by copy pasting old messages. But given the lack of action at that point in the thread I put the vote on you to see what would happen. Its not even that it was scummy in particular, but it was the very beginning of the first game and it was weird and i didn't like it. | ||
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On May 21 2019 23:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: then why did you agree with artanis (in that it's not scummy,) just to vote for me RIGHT AFTER when hf came and said "lol you should vote for rayn"? I just explained that. It was the beginning of the first day. I wanted a vote out there because voting is the only way i can express myself in the game besides posting. I still think your reasoning in that first part of the game wasn't scummy. It was just stupid and caught my attention so I voted for you. I am also given to sheep hf at any random point unless he has made himself suspicious to me. | ||
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On May 21 2019 23:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: why are you saying it doesn't make sense? i dont expect you to believe it makes me town but it doesnt make me mafia ever. DO you think that every single vote in the first 2 hours is a genuine accusation of being mafia? Did I tell others to vote for you like I have with people I think are scum or want to get lynched? No I just used my vote to prod you into action and create some content. | ||
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On May 21 2019 23:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: so you didn't call me scum but voted for me? good pressure right there. GO back and read. FFS. Do you really think that all votes in what is sometimes called the RANDOM VOTING STAGE are genuine accusations of being mafia? I asked this before and you ignored me. I can't think why. None of what I did that accompanied that vote is what I have done when voting for people since (ie trying to convince people that you were scum, trying to get people to vote for you). That should convince you because its very, very easy to go and check. If it doesn't then you are full on stupid. | ||
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On May 21 2019 23:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Where do you tell me it's RVS? Well its the first few minutes of the game, its just common sense that there will be an amount of randomness in any vote. | ||
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On May 21 2019 23:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also i don't believe it's RVS because you went on and on with the vote for terrible reasons (aka "give reads" when i gave reads). I also changed it as soon as I had a solid read on someone. | ||
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On May 21 2019 23:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you are a believer in RVS why haven't you done that in the games you have played here before? I have only played 3 games and am changing almost everything about how I play in each game (due to failing hard in my other two townie games.) I must have said this more than 20 times already in this game. I'm getting seriously fucking pissed off with the fact that people expect me to pick one posting style and stick with it for my entire mafia playtime regardless of whether it works. . | ||
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I'm not going through this any more. If you want to lynch me go ahead. When I flip town you can come back and look at these last two pages and how completely unreasonable rayn is being in the face of perfectly normal behaviour. A vote for my lynch is a vote for your own lynch day 2 rayn. | ||
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On May 22 2019 00:00 Koshi wrote: Poor jock. Might die twice on d1. I dnu. But I guess I can also vote him. Poor tl.net mafia Everyone complains that its dying and then when someone new turns up and people can't read the meta from 10 years of knowing him they get confused. I'm sorry if that's another example of me 'shitting on the players' but its really starting to look like this is the case. I blame kitaman for making me scum in my first game. | ||
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The fact that you look at my responses to rayn - which means that you are also looking at rayns posts, and out of the two you decide i am mafia... . yes, very, very wrong. | ||
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I can't even be bothered. Maybe you're right in that there was some inconsistency. Have you ever seen a 10 or so page filter with no inconsistencies in it? If you have you are looking at a mafia filter. Seriously though this is my last post think what you want vote for whoever you want I find this game far too stressful for it to be even remotely good for me to continue playing it. | ||
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I'm trying to play, to learn and to improve all at the same time. I find this difficult and yeah, I'm asking a shit ton of questions. There aren't any newbie games here and I'm completely clueless jsut going off what the guides and mafaiscum wiki say about it. So yeah, I ask alot of questions. I'm literally asking for help and getting shit all (Except WBG who is quite happy to help) and then being lynched for doing shit wrong. This isn't something I'd post if i was trying not to be lynched because I'm knowingly invoking my own lack of skill and expereience. I'm gonna go concentrate on chess instead. Good luck to you all. Even if I'm not lynched I can't be bothered with this shit. I'm too anxious a person. Its bad for my mental health. | ||
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With the aid of mindfulness, I have successfully started the process of combating severe anxiety and depression issues which led to a suicide attempt a few months ago. After being depressed for over 15 years (on and off) I now feel better than I ever have before, and mindfulness is the reason for this. I would NEVER lie about that. | ||
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On May 22 2019 01:02 Holyflare wrote: We're not horrible, we're just making sure you weren't! In fact we're trying to make sure you're ok. Please don't replace. I'll call you confirmed town all game if I have to. No hard feelings to any of you, you're all just playing the game the way you're supposed to, but I also can't use mental health as a bargaining chip to get called a townie cos that's bullshit. My heart rate was elevated for the entire walk home from work. I'm fine though. I like the logic and stuff that goes with this game but maybe I have hangups about rejection (or something like that) that makes me freak out when accused. Obviously that doesn't go well with playing mafia. | ||
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On May 22 2019 01:05 Holyflare wrote: Stick around and we'll figure it out together at least? Would like to try, this game seems fine. Nah. Don't be sad though. I can see warning signs and its only day 1,only my 4th game. Frankly even bringing up anxiety issues like this feels like it will be a problem in the future. What about when I am actually mafia? There would be an inferred emotional blackmail thing going on that i REALLY don't feel comfortable with. I'll still hang out and obs alot probably... | ||
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I can continue to play but its up to you guys really. I don't want people to think they should lynch me and not bother because of what I said, that would suck hard and be unfair The other option is I stop posting altogether for this game, which I'm absolutely fine with. | ||
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Its a 5 grand payrise on what I have now for doing the same thing :O If I get it I'll be buzzing. | ||
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On May 22 2019 04:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Fuck you why does this make me think you're town This has been my favourite part of the game so far if these two are mafia. | ||
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On May 22 2019 15:39 wherebugsgo wrote: JOCK YOU'RE BACK :D I'm actually really happy cause I got sad reading that huge mess and I was really enjoying playing with you. BTW idk if you saw this earlier but let's hydra next game (or maybe you can hydra with someone not as shitty as me). I kinda wanna hydra cause my solo scum reads are garbage and I need to work on that, plus it's super fun to chat about the game with someone you know is seeing it from a similar in-game perspective I'm definitely up for this bugs :D | ||
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On May 23 2019 15:49 Koshi wrote: I have Calix as a scumread. Then bc. Then some others. I will vote Calix. And Calix alone. By 'some others', you mean artanis and hf right? On May 23 2019 00:08 Koshi wrote: Calix BC Artanis I like that more I think. On May 23 2019 00:08 Koshi wrote: Oh and hf. Cant forget hf | ||
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On May 23 2019 16:25 Holyflare wrote: Can't you see igrok was around for deadline and vanished again with nothing to give? iGrock is suspicious to me but I honestly don't have a strong scumread on him. Here's the thing. During the night phase hf a bunch of people were trying to figure the game out in their own special angry way, using logic and associations to try and get reads of various people and all we got from you was 'lynch iGrock'. There was a subtle inference in there that you wanted to figure out the game by doing so (when you said iGrock is the 'missing puzzle piece') but aside from a *maybe possible* associative on Calix I don't get how we can figure anything out by lynching iGrock. All that will probably achieve is getting rid of iGrock. | ||
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I'm pretty much confirmed town in most people's eyes so it can't hurt. I'm totally ready to admit that I've got everything wrong if, in fact, I have. | ||
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But most people prefer to hide their intentions behind innuendo and clever language 100% of the time. I get why that's much, much more fun for you, but I need the odd simple, clear post or I get confused. | ||
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Can you see how that interaction with artanis looks weird??? There's like 2 seconds between you scumreading and then townreading him and he only comes up in one more post that you make before the end of night 1 and that was to townread him again.... | ||
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Maybe he's staying just enough under the radar. | ||
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On May 23 2019 19:07 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not not willing to lynch Artanis. As I said earlier, I find Calix to be the easiest-to-achieve lynch today because of obstinate koshi. If its really easy to lynch someone like calix who has alot of people scumreading her don't you think there might be scum making it easy for you? | ||
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On May 23 2019 19:11 VisceraEyes wrote: We'll see if it's easy. Jock you have to understand that in mafia, people can say one thing and do another when it's crunch time. Yes, that's a concern. But currently me and TunnelKoshi are the only people voting for Calix, so hows about we talk about how "easy" the lynch is once we have like...more than 2 votes on her ya? OK thanks for the tip. The more people explain basic obvious shit like this to me now the less you're all gonna have to in the future  | ||
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On May 23 2019 19:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Frankly it's not obvious, you're right - a lot of people have stated suspicion of her. But NOT a lot of people have backed up that suspicion with a vote, so we'll see what happens when she's like, THE viable wagon. People put their money where their mouth is so to speak. You know, in exactly the way that Calix DIDN'T where iGrok was concerned yesterday. I mean we're coming at the discussion from different points of view. You're focusing on Calix because she's your target - so fair enough. From the perspective of someone looking at Artanis its strange though. I made a spreadsheet of everyone's reads during the night phase and artanis was scum on everyone's list (except hf), but everyone I have spoken to this morning has kinda got cold feet about that a little bit. I find that suspicious in itself - regardless of whether its because people are focusing elsewhere - because that's the kind of thing that could easily be directed using distraction without anyone really noticing. | ||
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On May 23 2019 19:26 Koshi wrote: And I still think HF is mafia. For real. I really dont think iGrok is mafia and maybe mafia is setting up the TvT with Calix/iGrok. iGrok is just not looking evil. Maybe helpless? Even though he provides his ideas. Dnu. I feel the thread has put more doubt in iGrok than he deserves for sure. That's incredibly close to my set of scumreads at the moment. Not sure about Calix. Also not sure about iGrock. I may be willing to switch to iGrock if we can lynch hf/artanis if he flips town. | ||
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On May 23 2019 19:45 Calix wrote: Because if iGrok/ HF/ Artanis are all town then you're basically locking in several mislynches. And if people vote for X so they can lynch Y tomorrow it makes them less willing to re-evaluate their reads. Also you should vote for people you think are mafia, not just compromise on reads so you can get a lynch you want the next day...when your reads on the people you want lynched will most likely change in that time...therefore making the whole process really dumb. I mean at the risk of being too open about this i was JUST told that in mafia people say one thing and then do something different at EoD, but then people treat my word as fucking gold when I suggest something with about 65 hours left in the day that I might not want to do but would get me information if people respond to it. Make your bloody minds up. | ||
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On May 23 2019 20:34 Calix wrote: I don't wanna be snarky but: A) Different people have different ways of viewing and playing the game. Much like how everyone has a different view of the world around them. There's no One True Way of playing as town or mafia because everyone has different ideas of what is townie and scummy. If everyone did agree on these things then the game would be super boring. B) You're currently IN the mafia game. For all you know, the people telling you this stuff could be wording things in a way to make you agree with them for whatever reason. You can't necessarily take us at our word, lol. Even this post could be worded in such a way as to push an agenda. If you want to ask about basic stuff like roles then you can trust the answer but your questions are about more subjective things so...expect different answers that may or may not truly reflect the person's views. Hope that makes sense. Be as snarky as you want I've got fully over my little hissy fit now.... | ||
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On May 23 2019 21:22 Holyflare wrote: Just you know, work makes me shit, not a thread leader and passive. Tomorrow I am off work. Be prepared to lynch igrok. Yeah I'm probably going to lynch iGrok because mafia tells me to. THUMBS UP EMOJI | ||
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On May 23 2019 23:28 Koshi wrote: Normal hf would have done something fun and fresh and cool and annoying and would piss me off etc. This hf just sets up things. I feel it. Did hf fakeclaim night 1? I don't think he did. Why the fuck not??????? | ||
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On May 23 2019 16:57 Jockmcplop wrote: My other question would be: Can you see how that interaction with artanis looks weird??? There's like 2 seconds between you scumreading and then townreading him and he only comes up in one more post that you make before the end of night 1 and that was to townread him again.... HF never answered this question and I really don't want it to go unanswered. Does anyone else think this was super weird. | ||
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On May 22 2019 04:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Fuck you why does this make me think you're town | ||
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On May 24 2019 00:00 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't Jock I'm sorry. Like, I get why you do, but I've seen shit like this between townies and between a town and a mafia and between mafia partners so many times. I think you said you think it makes them both mafia, or at least look bad. I would argue that if they would go to the trouble of fabricating this at all, there would be more evidence of them trying to fabricate interactions elsewhere in the thread too. But that's just my read. Fair enough. I'm not basing a whole case on this one thing on the pair of em. Its more just a thing I found weird. I already had massive suspicions on hf and my read on artanis is more based on my townreads than anything he said to hf. | ||
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On May 24 2019 00:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why do you think it looks scummy? I am sorry if you have explained it already. The main thing is how they don't talk about each other after this interaction... Its like hf wanted to do something re:artanis and land on a townread so he could move on. That's how it looks to me anyway. There are no solid reasons for any of what hf did here or previously regarding his reads on artanis. Its just random made up crap that artanis then points out and hf, in a very UNHFLIKE manner then says "Oh yeah you're right you're town" and doesn't mention it again. | ||
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On May 24 2019 00:03 VisceraEyes wrote: And I'm sorry for not mentioning it earlier, I saw you AHA at it when you saw it. IF there's ONLY ONE mafia between them, based SOLELY on that interaction, which would you think it would be? It would be hf for the reasons in the post above | ||
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The point about hf not fakeclaiming, and how he is acting differently, added to this is starting to make something like a decent case though. All stuff that can be explained but only with a multitude of excuses (reasons) and becomes increasingly alignment indicative the more weird behaviours he exhibits. | ||
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I'm struggling to find any meta examples of hf's vote landing off one of the major wagons, like ever. Until day 1 of this game. This might be tunneling but there's so much weird stuff its hard not to get drawn into it,know what i mean? | ||
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On May 24 2019 00:56 Holyflare wrote: I can easily answer it for you. I can see how it would be weird for you but I don't think I'd ever interact with a mafia partner like that. I normally just bus or hard defend, none of this meek in between stuff that makes me look bad because of indecision. The thing about this game is that my early play will be so polarising to a work week that it's like a whole different player. This game is like the last thing on my mind (that's a lie really) but I just pop in and see a post and register it as a post I don't like but my critical evaluation brain is switched off and I'll just blurt out my thoughts quickly. I'll go back to work pondering my skim and come back and say what I've been thinking even if it's wrong. This is exactly why I got pushed and lynched last game, for misremembering something and pushing it as fact (just nobody called me out on it till I get lynched). So, I called artanis out for something I believed he did wrong and his call out made me look back at his filter and correct myself. Saw this after my last post and it addresses that too... Its a very,very convenient catch all excuse that could be true... There's really not much more I can say about that to be honest. | ||
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On May 24 2019 01:02 Holyflare wrote: My dude, I was the leading wagon voter I think when I went to bed. It was 5am when the flip and shenanigans happened. It's normally an eu friendly deadline or at least like 12 to 1am max so I stick around. I didn't do a fake claim this game because a) I've effectively ruined the last 2 games doing it and people never learn and even lynched me for it twice and b) it was 5am！ I think you're pretty tunnelled WOuld you get tunnelled if someone who had been playing every single game here in a similar fashion all of a sudden started playing completely differently?? I mean you've admitted that that's what's happening so surely you can understand.... Considering we both agree that you're behaving weirdly surely we can both agree that it all comes down to whether I believe your reasons for it, right? | ||
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On May 24 2019 01:05 Holyflare wrote: I don't think I'm playing this game any different to the last game at all? On May 24 2019 00:56 Holyflare wrote: The thing about this game is that my early play will be so polarising to a work week that it's like a whole different player. This game is like the last thing on my mind (that's a lie really) but I just pop in and see a post and register it as a post I don't like but my critical evaluation brain is switched off and I'll just blurt out my thoughts quickly. | ||
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On May 24 2019 01:11 Holyflare wrote: No, they're good points to pick up on but unfortunately don't mean anything. It would probably be quite beneficial if you read some of my games where I'm mafia maybe? Although that will also be a time when I had more free time you can get a sense of my style. I normally imo just pick up on a point and hammer at it until I get a mislynch whereas town I kinda do that but actually have an ongoing poe with really shit feels and reasoning entwined in it. I also get swayed off things really easily. Unlike this igrok guy who yet again posted an afk excuse. I don't wanna have to wait for you to seem like a townie. | ||
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On May 24 2019 01:15 Holyflare wrote: If my name wasn't Holyflare would you be saying the same thing? Or is it just a preconceived notion because you know what I'm capable of? What? You played 3 games with me very recently where I watched what you were doing carefully because the first game I ever read rsoultin said something about you being good. This sounds like gaslighting now. Are you sure its not just you being crazy? YES | ||
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On May 24 2019 01:22 Holyflare wrote: Dunno why you feel that way but irrelevant anyway. I'll just make some cases in a bit. THat was badly worded and had nothing to do with mental health I was actually not thinking of that | ||
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On May 24 2019 01:22 disformation wrote: i am very proud of myself. was expecting my column to only consist of waffles Its done in rows. Yours isn't filled out cos I only got as far as HF before I stopped to take a closer look. On May 24 2019 01:22 Holyflare wrote: I voted igrok? Yeah I dunno what happened there but the reads are all good from as far as I got. If anyone disputes anything else there they should tell me. | ||
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On May 24 2019 01:34 Holyflare wrote: If you want a good read: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/487093-mafia-in-the-himalayas?page=263#5255 Good example of me as mafia (and bugs actually before he replaced. Reminds me of his range now so I'll look at him this game because he's really good too). More importantly the fallout post game and mafia qt is just the best. Man you are unprovokable today. hf rising above being repeatedly called a liar and a waffler and all you can come back with is some half arsed thing about being disappointed. Where's the pages of text explaining why you've got a masterplan? Why do you think we're all just going to sit around and wait for you to start playing and then let you take over the town half way through day 2 because you decide you want to?? I'm gonna be too busy by then figuring out the game to fight you over whether or not to vote for iGrock. | ||
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On May 24 2019 02:02 Holyflare wrote: How do you know this isn't my master plan? ![[image loading]](https://www.projectmanager.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/AccidentalPMGuidetoBetterProjects-600x882.jpg) | ||
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On May 24 2019 02:47 Holyflare wrote: That wasn't the question at all, my friend! It was "why did HF switch so quickly? Is this a normal interaction" to which I, as I understand it, answered quite proficiently seeing as the original question provider was placated by that response! I do not know why this line of questioning is relevant but I'm happy you're participating, friend! I would go as far as to say it was INCREDIBLY proficient. Of all the answers you could have chosen, in fact, it was the most proficient of all. | ||
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On May 24 2019 01:10 VisceraEyes wrote: Ur doing God's work Jock don't you dare stop. This is only a little thing but there's three ways to interpret this.... One is that hf is scum and I'm making that apparent to people so town VE is happy about it. Another is that hf is town and setting a trap to see who'll call him out about his weird behaviour and as a pretty much confirmed town player I'm making that plan useless and mafia VE is happy about it. The other is that VE is enjoying watching someone have a go at hf. I'm really going soon. | ||
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On May 24 2019 03:08 Holyflare wrote: I hope you've voted today, Jock. If only there were some way of finding out | ||
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On May 24 2019 03:11 Holyflare wrote: I TOTALLY MEANT THE EU ELECTIONS THOUGH K hahaha Of course I have. Fat lot of good it'll do. | ||
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On May 24 2019 03:19 VisceraEyes wrote: Why? Fucking anyone can daydream man, I once imagined a time when I had sex with 3 girls at once! It doesn't make me impressive, just kinda a freak! Did you manage to convince everyone else that you had sex with three girls at once without any of them questioning it?? | ||
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On May 24 2019 03:20 Conversion wrote: artanis is giving me great conflict. generally his entire filter looked good to me. the only thing about this is I don't QUITE particularly think BC was being aggressive, except to Artanis himself. so I don't quite get this "BC was super duper aggressive, but then chilled out" as a switch reason. + Show Spoiler + On May 23 2019 20:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: First, why I'm not as sold on BC anymore. He's significantly dialed down his aggression in general when there's no real reason to and is giving opinions on a lot of things. It's this sequence of posts: The content is partially important, but more so is the tone. As mafia there'd be no reason to do anything but keep the focus on me with thread sentiment on his side. He also seems to be working with people to actively try and get a read on them. The tone is just so different from earlier and there was no pressure on him to change, really. All the people accusing him were considered null at best. As for why WBG: Same tone thing, but very differently. When HF accused me of something that was wrong, this was how he replied: Extremely transparent, acknowledges his reasons for reading me were inaccurate and.. that's it. He doesn't arrive at a conclusion immedately because it's not necessary. Contrast that with Bugs regarding me accusing BC: Makes an incorrect statement. Expands on statement, showcases its importance regarding reading me and disfo. Did not check the validity of said statement. "Oh I was wrong, but it doesn't change my BC read!" The focus is much more defensive and closed. Then the most recent post made above feels to me like he's trying to stay 'above' the discussion. Get people to guess at his little game to get free townreads.. it doesn't feel like he's critically trying to think of the game, but just filling up space whilst sitting on the sidelines. ##Vote wherebugsgo the second thing is his bugs read, but that's mostly because I townread bugs and I don't think his argument was a good one. mmmmmmmh he's definitely looks less towny than BC to me right now That bugs read barely makes sense to me. In what world are townies open and given to quickly admitting their errors and mafia are defensive and closed? Positive character traits don't make you townie and negative ones don't make you mafia. It looks pretty much like he started with the reads and tried to justify them afterwards. | ||
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You said that in the last game you scumread hf in a similar way to how I did yesterday. On reflection, would you say that hf delibreately put you in that position? I mean if we're to read into this what he wants us to he infers he's using that to confirm townies. I don't exactly see how scum hf couldn't act in exactly the same way though. | ||
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On May 24 2019 16:19 Jockmcplop wrote: Bugs if ur still here I have a question about hf. You said that in the last game you scumread hf in a similar way to how I did yesterday. On reflection, would you say that hf delibreately put you in that position? I mean if we're to read into this what he wants us to he infers he's using that to confirm townies. I don't exactly see how scum hf couldn't act in exactly the same way though. Like I'm not trying to confirm anything right now it'd just help me see yesterday in context. | ||
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On May 24 2019 16:26 Koshi wrote: HF is mafia. Just remember that guys. Just remember it. Tou dont have to act on it. You just have to know it. One day are you going to show us how you come to your conclusions? No pressure, koshi. Y'know. Do what you want....... | ||
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Fair enough its your call.... I don't know how long you can keep jsut saying what you're reads are without explaining a single thing though. People are eventually gonna think you're mafia. The only way they possibly could not think that is by using..... Associative reads. | ||
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I mentioned this yesterday but can someone tell me how this case on Bugs is worth a lynch at all???? I mean did Artanis think this was strong enough to lynch Bugs off the back of it? I dunno its the biggest read/explanation post he's made so far in the whole game and it just doesn't work logically. Bugs is mafia because he is defensive and closed minded? Please. They aren't even mafia traits are they? I can kinda see where he's coming from when he says that bugs isn't giving solid reads (not in this post) but this case is just LAME. Similarly the BC case just looks like waffle to me. Can't he do something better than this just to stop us from lynching him? On May 23 2019 20:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: First, why I'm not as sold on BC anymore. He's significantly dialed down his aggression in general when there's no real reason to and is giving opinions on a lot of things. It's this sequence of posts: The content is partially important, but more so is the tone. As mafia there'd be no reason to do anything but keep the focus on me with thread sentiment on his side. He also seems to be working with people to actively try and get a read on them. The tone is just so different from earlier and there was no pressure on him to change, really. All the people accusing him were considered null at best. As for why WBG: Same tone thing, but very differently. When HF accused me of something that was wrong, this was how he replied: Extremely transparent, acknowledges his reasons for reading me were inaccurate and.. that's it. He doesn't arrive at a conclusion immedately because it's not necessary. Contrast that with Bugs regarding me accusing BC: Makes an incorrect statement. Expands on statement, showcases its importance regarding reading me and disfo. Did not check the validity of said statement. "Oh I was wrong, but it doesn't change my BC read!" The focus is much more defensive and closed. Then the most recent post made above feels to me like he's trying to stay 'above' the discussion. Get people to guess at his little game to get free townreads.. it doesn't feel like he's critically trying to think of the game, but just filling up space whilst sitting on the sidelines. ##Vote wherebugsgo | ||
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On May 24 2019 17:06 Holyflare wrote: Jock do you think igrok's response looks like something he'd write to a mafia read? No it looks like he's calling your case stupid a bunch of times and leaving it at that. | ||
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On May 24 2019 17:11 Holyflare wrote: I think it's bit of a weak standpoint for a day 2 case, yeah. He recently just said he had no scum reads though so I think he's dropped it? But if he's got not scum reads what's he doing??? It doesn't look like he's trying to me. There's not a whole lot of point in asking you about this. I want Artyfartanis to come here and answer these questions.. | ||
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On May 24 2019 17:14 Holyflare wrote: I don't hate the artanis pressure but why is there no igrok pressure? There probably will be. I've read what I've read so far and I haven't read iGrock properly. It'll happen before day 2 ends I promise you, but I'm not doing off the cuff scumhunting any more because I'm not very good at it, I need to prepare and read and get my facts straight and I'm a bit dumb so that takes time and effort. | ||
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On May 24 2019 17:17 Holyflare wrote: Luckily I made a giant case for you with a tldr that you've ignored? NOPE. Not doing it. I'm gonna filter him and then see if I need to pressure him. Probably tonight or this afternoon if I lazily leave work at lunchtime. Read what I wrote above and think about it. There's a reason I don't wanna look at your case and go straight into pressure on someone. I make mistakes when I do that and end up looking like scum. Contradictions happen if I'm not prepared, just look at what you caught me out with on day 1. | ||
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On May 24 2019 17:25 Holyflare wrote: Ok, please just filter him, make your own conclusion and THEN read my case after you've made your conclusion so you're not coloured with one view. I still don't know what to think of the Artanis post. It could be a person who is struggling to make reads in a game where it's quite hard to solve who is mafia and it could be his lack of thread presence and time that contributes to it. I don't think his points are awful when he makes them (his bc meta notwithstanding) but they're definitely lacking and he's a good candidate of maybe being mafia. I will because he needs looking at if you're gonna go for the lynch. Just so you know, though, saying "congrats you pressured me you're town" doesn't make me suddenly think "Oh shit, hf must be town." That's gonna need more than just one big long day of pressure on iGrock. | ||
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On May 24 2019 18:15 disformation wrote: yeah art kinda waffling of bc is super strange to me. like if art is scum and bc is town its like a free pass to continue to tunnel and complain that nooene listened to his case? like how he scummed calix and ve for liking his case and not voting bc? if both are scum it makes some sense to waffle off the case before it gains traction again? but then it makes no sense that bc just stays on art when the threat sentiment is on art? though maybe art fucked up the nightactions and bc is mad at him? the fuck do i know would like bc more if he would have posted some more reads/conclusions yesterday... like i know its maybe rich coming from me, but _some_ sort of conclusion to either: would have been grand I'm going to read BC today when I do iGrock because I haven't properly read either of those yet. When I do I'll try and answer some of your posts that you made yesterday about him. | ||
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On May 24 2019 18:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm here, gonna read HF's massive dump on iGrok now. Can you respond to #3011 and the few posts after please?? | ||
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On May 24 2019 18:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I just looked over it and I don't see any questions in it addressed to me? Obviously I believed in what I said. Your 'questions' read more like convictions so I dunno what you want from me really. I've already had part of my BC and WBG cases rebutted and now I'm looking into where to go from here. ok Maybe we can pick this up later depending on what we both have to say about iGrock... | ||
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On May 24 2019 18:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Can you point out to me who you're thinking of exactly? I may be able to point out the difference in tone as to why it struck me with WBG whereas it didn't with others. It may also be that I simply wasn't around at the time or have a different meta read on others, as there's plenty of players in the game I've played with many times before. Yes but I'm at work so serching through the thread is a pain. You gonna be here in about 2 hours? | ||
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I'll be back in a bit with a proper post on it. Basically hf you and koshi are both making me paranoid. I'm being toyed with by someone. Just know that I know that. I'm pretty sure anyone else who is active except maybe VE feels something similar... | ||
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On May 24 2019 20:54 Holyflare wrote: I don't know what I've done to make you paranoid other than make a read on someone you think now looks bad! That's the nature of the game, I suppose. You're right to be paranoid of Koshi though, I taught him everything he knows. He's like that rebellious apprentice that always wants to beat their master but can't quite reach that level yet. You let me attack you for ages and then said 'right i'm taking over the thread'. You acted somewhat scummy somewhat deliberately and now you want to be in charge and it'll probably just happen... On top of that you're trying to get me to work with you in a town circle to find scum while imposing your agenda, whatever that is, on the group as much as you can. Why shouldn't I be paranoid? | ||
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On May 24 2019 21:05 Holyflare wrote: It was never deliberately, I simply didn't have time. Fair play, its irrelevant right now anyway. | ||
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On May 24 2019 21:09 disformation wrote: think that is just part of the play style and fun some of the "veteran" players have here. They like to project confidence (or are just that confident) as that helps them to achieve their goals, regardless of alignment. Just take a look of rayn, koshi and hf. All three are usually very confident in their reads and it takes solid arguments to convince them otherwise. so can this be scum!hf trying to steer town in a bad direct? yes. can also be town!hf saying: "i need to step up my game so we actually lynch scum here". Yeah of course, that's kinda my point. He says I shouldn't be paranoid but is taking over the town while acting in a way that makes it very difficult to be sure that he's not mafia. I'm not calling him scum, I'm explaining to him what he already knows. | ||
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Some bits might be paraphrased because I've copied/pasted out of my notes but the content is exactly what I think about him. First big post #991- summary of two players. Doesn't tell us anything about him really Immediately insinuates a townread on VE due to meta. #1014 RUX/DiSFO early scumread #1044 Calix. Bad case. Not necessarily alignment indicative on its own but a bad case. "I'm not making a case. I give my thoughts." It looks like a bad case to me. This answer is scummy. The thing about my cases is you shouldn't really listen to them or bring them up later???? #1638 Thinks bugs made a good case on ruxx #1096 BUGS: He has consistently just disappeared after every short burst of activity and his “progressions” are just odd. As you pointed out he just completely dropped the Calix/conversion business; what happened to one of them being scum? He also had a set up into calling BC scum but dropped that too. No idea why he mentions rayn in his post on you either, just seems like a forced mention especially because rayn was nearly completely absent for 24 hours. Can see how that looks like a good case. DOESN'T FIT WITH THIS: HF will continue, throughout his entire takedown piece, bring up my initial rux/diso statement, even when I change my read after reading more. -I'm pretty sure HF doesn't understand the concept of -not tunnelling-, or (as I really think) he's scum. Or both The changing read hadn't changed by this point. iGrock was still saying he liked Bugs' case on Ruxx. 13 minutes later he calls ruxx a townie for admitting to having trouble making reads. This read progression makes no sense to me. With the chaos of day 1, particularly in a high post volume game, I can't see any reason why I would about turn on a scumread because they admitted not being able to make reads. That's well within mafia range. | ||
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On May 24 2019 21:27 Calix wrote: I don't think that last point is what makes iGrok mafia. Disformation and myself had doubts on ruxxar for a similar reason IIRC. Its not just that he townread him for acting confused in a confusing game, its that he went from a scumread, while saying just 13 minutes earlier that he liked bugs' case on ruxxar, to townread for something that might put doubts in your mind as to whether he's scum but doesn't seem like that huge a deal to go from scum to townie in a post or two. Its not as damning as the timing though. hf is right about the voting thing. That doesn't look good at all. Ruxxar doesn't even mention this once in his response either. His response to hf this morning was pretty bad in every way as well tbh. There was a bit of 'LOOK AT ME AND THE EFFORT I PUT IN YOU GUYS LIKE THAT RIGHT??' in there, he picked on little things from the case instead of looking at the big points like the voting. | ||
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On May 24 2019 22:05 VisceraEyes wrote: Frankly at this point I'm taking mafia reads of me as scumclaims.  By 'at this point' I assume you mean THE ENTIRE GAME SO FAR. | ||
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On May 24 2019 22:05 Holyflare wrote: It's understandable you missed it and kinda shows you haven't read a single thing igrok said but it's here: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/547420-72-24-midnight-sun-mafia?page=150#2992 Every time I read that post it looks worse. | ||
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On May 24 2019 22:08 VisceraEyes wrote: Bro I've never called HF mafia and he called me mafia. I've similarly never been red on Bugs. I was only joking. I do remember a 'I'm starting to think jock might be scum' around the time I said I was starting to think you might be scum though. | ||
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On May 24 2019 22:10 Holyflare wrote: Who shall I call mafia next? Calix? Koshi. Just for fun. | ||
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On May 24 2019 04:49 disformation wrote: bc edited version of arts case: (i removed 3 and added stuff to 5) additions: 1. falling off as the game progresses 2. reads go unexplained 3. reads grok town for some very bleh posts: verdict: high chance of scum detected OK Some of artanis' points on BC aren't very good imo. He talks about his shitty entrance which doesn't look bad to me... makes a quote thread in which there are no scumreads and points that out despite the fact that BC had made scumreads elsewhere by that point (this is quite damning of artanis imo --- unless I'm reading it wrong, that quote thread is a nightmare to sort out for some reason) Claims BC exclusively scumreads people who scumread him.... however BC's first scumread was calix who hadn't scumread him. He comes back to Calix later as you would expect considering early game he said one of Ruxxar/Calix was scum. This is a sensible read progression that is very townie looking. Additions: 1: In End of the World Party I don't remember him falling off as the game progressed but he posted quite sporadically and in a way that's a bit reminiscent of how he's posting here. Long gaps of no posts and then you don't know which BC you're going to get when he does turn up. Its not a full mafia tell though its just him behaving in a similar way in two games. I don't have much meta information on him. 2: He says Koshi is a good target for a lynch but never explains this or scumreads him. He later avoids answering a question about this saying "I never scumread him" but doesn't explain at any point why he's a good target for a lynch. That doesn't look good. 3: Reads iGrock as town. iGrock was looking fairly townie or null to me at that point too. He looks much, much worse since he came back and failed to answer hf's points properly. I don't know how this is particularly alignment indicative because quite a few people were null-town on iGrock at this point and it tracks with his other reads. All in all Im null on BC. Some townie stuff, some mafia looking stuff but the townie stuff is strong enough that I'm not going to go after him. | ||
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What do you think? I don't think there's enough there to scumread BC compared to some other people here. | ||
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On May 24 2019 23:25 Calix wrote: Lemme put it this way. He lacks any real conviction in his reads. For example, he 'town read' ruxxar and 'scum read' BC and I on Day 1. What does he do? Well he sure as hell doesn't push either of his scum reads. He just spammed 'Calix is mafia' and whined that nobody was listening to him. He didn't give valid, convincing reasons for town!ruxxar. He had the opportunity to switch his vote from moi onto BC [again, a guy he thinks has a high chance of being mafia] when BC was getting traction but Koshi did NOT switch. You will see the same pattern today. Today, he's said "lynch Calix" but not once has he made a legitimate push on me that would convince people to kill me. The same applies to his 'other scum read' HF. Nor has he made a convincing argument for town!iGrok aside from "omg no way would mafia hard-bus" He just kinda whines about how his 'town reads' are being voted over his scum reads yet does literally nothing to change the game state from that to something more favourable for town [in his eyes]. And the reason for that is because he doesn't actually care about killing mafia. Some of that makes sense. Alot of it could be describing a town player who's being a bit of an asshole. Its not outside Koshi's range at all from what I understand. I'm not convinced. | ||
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On May 25 2019 02:05 Holyflare wrote: Here we go. What conclusion did you come to re: BC? Its a very 'meh' filter. Some good, some bad, right? | ||
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You spent ages reading him but didn't really say what you thought at the end of it just something about Art saying a thing about BC and Koshi.. | ||
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On May 25 2019 02:38 Holyflare wrote: Nah I stopped reading him and got bored again so I'm taking a break while I wait for igrok. There was a lot of wrong stuff I saw him posting about and I think it would be easy to actually make a case about him being mafia but his meta is very very different, even from the civil game he was mafia in. Didn't that happen with calix as well??? You might as well stop trying and just concentrate on your one read | ||
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On May 25 2019 02:54 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay so I'm open to the idea that I've just been wrong about rayn this whole time. I've had to disagree with like every reason he's given for his reads...not like, WHOLLY disagree, but disagree with the level of certainty that these things provide rayn. I've written it off to his playstyle up until now, but frankly with this his most recent Top 10 Anime Betrayal of HF, I'm left thinking maybe I'm the one being fooled here. Maybe he's trying to emulate his town-play as mafia with all this crazy certainty? It's DEFINITELY in his wheelhouse. Someone like HF with loads of meta weigh in. Has rayn's certainty up to now been within his normal town-rayn range of certainty - to - bad reasoning? I would like to filter dive rayn but I am not Amanda Young. | ||
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On May 25 2019 02:58 Koshi wrote: Anyway. igrok obv town. But baddies wont listen to me and rayn so w.e His posting today has been pretty scummy. Why obvtown? I GUESS WE'LL NEVER KNOW AS USUAL. | ||
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On May 25 2019 03:08 Koshi wrote: Also to all other people Who didnt want to vote jock because he was potential town: Koshi Who said Ruxxar was conf town and should never be the lynch: Koshi But you people keep doing what you are doing. Youbare the best. Its amazing really. Its like you already knew who all the town are and only tell us when they look like they're gonna get lynched. | ||
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On May 25 2019 03:10 Holyflare wrote: You are without a doubt in my mind getting lynched. The best you can do is leave a legacy if you are town. No copping out with this bs. Nah hf at the moment my plan is to wait until a few hours before the deadline and switch my vote to you and see who comes with. | ||
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On May 25 2019 03:39 Koshi wrote: Dnu how many votes igrok has but pretty sure the same people who voted Ruxxar out are now voting igrok out. #suckstobetown U wanna switch to hf at the last minute with me? It'll be fun and SHOCKING and everyone'll be like yay. | ||
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On May 25 2019 03:42 Koshi wrote: No. I want to vote away the unreadable who are hiding first. HF still pit in massive effort. I need the thread to be on the correct track first before I vote out effort I feel like this is important advice for me. | ||
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Even if some of it looks very scummy, I can see a way that iGrock could feasibly be town. Not Artanis. ##unvote ##vote Artanis | ||
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On May 25 2019 04:05 Calix wrote: Translation: I have no other scum reads aside from Artanis, the guy who is the scum-driven counter-wagon. I will be voting for Artanis at EOD but I'll pretend this isn't what I'm planning to do by saying "I haven't paid much attention". While we're on the topic of 'scum driven wagons', Koshi is only now willing to put aside his scum read of me if it means he can vote off Artanis instead. It's so obvious that's what these two scummers are leading up to, lol. iGrok's reappearance has to be the most disappointing letdown in mafia history. He doesn't even try looking into Artanis or talk about other players or anything. Seriously, almost all his recent posts do nothing to help town. Page 6 of his filter is appallingly scant of discussion about other players despite having a bunch of null and 'uncertain' reads. How the fuck VE and Jock looked at iGrok's posts and conclude Artanis is more mafia is beyond my comprehension. Give me one read artanis has made based on solid townie logic. | ||
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On May 25 2019 04:21 VisceraEyes wrote: THESE THREE PLAYERS NOT PUSHING ANY LYNCHES ARE MAFIA! YOU KNOW, MAFIA WHO HAVE TO PUSH LYNCHES TO WIN! THESE THREE DUDES NOT DOING ANY OF THAT ARE CERTAINLY THE MAFIA I WAS JUST DESCRIBING!!! They don't have to push lynches if you're about to lynch a townie. | ||
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On May 25 2019 04:22 wherebugsgo wrote: I’m going to take a really hard stance on Artanis right now and say I find it extremely unlikely he is scum. On read and reread he plays like he doesn’t have enough time to read this game when VE & Koshi & rayn account for like half of the posts and none of the content, and when it’s already difficult to keep up with what’s going on with 6 hours to play instead of barely 2. On May 25 2019 04:17 Jockmcplop wrote: Give me one read artanis has made based on solid townie logic. | ||
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On May 25 2019 04:22 Calix wrote: I have no idea what you definition of 'solid townie logic' is. All I can say is that, when I filter-dived him yesterday, his progressions make sense and I could see a townie perspective/ internal logic behind his posts. His D2/ WBG posts aren't great but they don't sufficiently prove he's mafia either. Meanwhile iGrok has not posted ANYTHING helpful to town this entire cycle. Every even remotely committed read I've seen in his filter is based on very suspect logic. iGrok is also looking scummy. I believe this. What I can't believe is how to everyone here its so fucking obvious that they are right and the other side is wrong. That's stupid. They actually have fairly similar filters in many ways... | ||
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On May 25 2019 04:27 wherebugsgo wrote: Also Artanis’s logic wasn’t completely terrible but it was a stretch. Stretching does not make you mafia because townies want to be right. Like me, I want to be right all the time and I’m sure I stretch the truth too. Not here though. This isn't a stretch. You are taking two pretty much identical filters and making excuses for one of them while calling the other scum... No stretching, pure agenda. So you can shove you occam's razor up your bum. | ||
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On May 25 2019 04:30 Calix wrote: That's because we're egotists who love yelling at each other  But for real, I don't think this thread is indicative of iGrok/ Artanis both being mafia. Don't take this as 100% truth but two divisive wagons forming near EOD is usually not indicative of two mafia trains. So it's better to assume at least one is town as opposed to being thoughtless about who dies. Hell, both could be town. But I personally don't think iGrok is town. I am assuming that one is town. All i meant was in the absence of that information they both look scummy from their filters. I agree they could both be town. I don't think we will be able to lynch hf if iGrock flips town. Might be able to get something from an Artanis flip though. | ||
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Once people start claiming roles I get really confused really fast. I would appreciate it so much if someone could - out of the kindness of your obviously oversized hearts - explain shit to me like a 2 year old - in spoilers if you want to avoid disrupting the thread vibe, or I might disappear... | ||
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On May 25 2019 04:42 VisceraEyes wrote: Like if I were mafia /I/ certainly wouldn't have shot Koshi, he's lynch bait. Lynch bait as in mafia will try and get a wagon on him? That doesn't make any sense to me, given that a whole bunch of people have told me not to even bother going there because its not going to happen. | ||
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On May 25 2019 05:14 Holyflare wrote: Everyone is so depressing :D Probably all depressed from looking at Koshi's filter after he claimed. | ||
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On May 25 2019 06:09 VisceraEyes wrote: Dude for real please lynch me LOL People think this kind of post is cool but someone does it everyone time like zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz | ||
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On May 25 2019 06:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Its not bad. I do like it. But I still (currently) would prefer to lynch Artanis. I will spend part of the night at work thinking on it, and on breaks filter diving igrok to get a better read but like, currently still prefer Artanis. I said exactly the same thing and got told I was 'being Jock' by WBG. I GUESS WE'RE BOTH JOCK NOW. | ||
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On May 25 2019 07:23 Koshi wrote: Mafia already removed jock as a ml. What is a ml? | ||
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On May 25 2019 07:29 Koshi wrote: For me the most obvious mafia is Calix. And I scumread Artanis for lack of effort and lack of intelligence waves. And BC for doing super fucking unlogical stuff. Ruxxar over Calix. At least 1 mafia in Ruxxarr Calix. And the lets find mafia outside ruxxar Calix. +nothing on d2. +Ruxxar his case. I might read calix tonight and see if a case appears. I'm pretty much at the point of sheeping you rn considering I'm not going to have any time after tonight before the deadline. | ||
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On May 25 2019 07:42 Koshi wrote: Calix made case. Ruxxar calls Calix out and says she is mafia. BC says both Ruxxar and Calix are mafia but votes Ruxxar. I thought BC's whole shtick on day 1 was that one of ruxxar and calix had to be mafia. | ||
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https://tl.net/forum/mafia/547420-72-24-midnight-sun-mafia?user=Calix&page=3 All the posts that turned calix from scum to maybe town are going to be in this page but BC never really elaborated on what exactly they were. | ||
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On May 26 2019 00:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I've made plenty of reads and posted thoughts in the last 3 hours? It's mostly waiting for Calix and iGrok to return and I'm currently trying to get a better read on Disfo. Your reads are boring rehashes of stuff that other people already said. You don't have to defend yourself against me tho, I'm just a newbie and I'm not angry with you I just feel a little bit let down. | ||
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On May 26 2019 00:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm pretty sure I'm the first person to press Disfo as well as questioning WBG. I've brought up plenty of points that hadn't been made yet. I'm phone posting so I'm not going to be making any long posts or arguing particularly. All I'm saying is I thought you'd wanna make yourself look townie so you don't get lynched. Sup to you tho | ||
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On May 26 2019 00:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I asked him at the time to point me to examples of what he meant and as far as I'm aware these haven't been presented yet. It's in my filter somewhere. Replying to Disfo maybe. Good luck | ||
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I said yesterday I'm not really here this weekend I've got maybe 10 minutes now and I'm on the shittest phone you've ever seen. Even reading the thread is giving me a headache. I'm back home tomorrow night but if you makesome posts that change my mind I'll check back in befoe eod | ||
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This is why I didn't wanna post today I can't do shit on this fucking waste of space phone FML I'm trying to work with you. Honestly I want you to look town so I can vote iGrok and confirm hf. On May 24 2019 03:27 Jockmcplop wrote: That bugs read barely makes sense to me. In what world are townies open and given to quickly admitting their errors and mafia are defensive and closed? Positive character traits don't make you townie and negative ones don't make you mafia. It looks pretty much like he started with the reads and tried to justify them afterwards. | ||
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Mafia prime motivation is to look good? I thought it was to survive ie look town, not look good. Hf basically accepted that this interaction was him not having time and not being bothered to play properly. That's whatsticks out as town to you compared to bug's reaction here. | ||
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On May 26 2019 00:59 Holyflare wrote: I'm very underwhelmed with artanis Right??? | ||
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On May 26 2019 01:08 Holyflare wrote: Can I get past the BC meta read Artanis made? I dunno lol. I can't believe Artanis thought BC's posts were even aggro to make a case? Kinda unbelievable? He thought low effort no time hf weakly and immediately folding on a read looked townie and that bugs doing what he does as town every single time looked scum? I don't think he really though that tho. | ||
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On May 26 2019 05:01 Holyflare wrote: The way he's talking to me is the most buddy buddy psychological manipulation thing I can think of. Not sure if he believes I'm falling for it or something but I pretty much ignore every single one of those posts and think what I want, not what he tells me. I <3 U hf | ||
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On May 26 2019 05:43 iGrok wrote: Haha, HFs case against is that I both don’t update my reads and that I updated my reads too much, this is hilarious Arghh no man I was ready to lynch artanis with everyone else just refute the fucking case and stop this. | ||
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On May 26 2019 05:44 Jockmcplop wrote: Arghh no man I was ready to lynch artanis with everyone else just refute the fucking case and stop this. BY THIS I MEAN DON'T TALK ABOUT HF TALK ABOUT HIS CASE | ||
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On May 26 2019 06:00 Calix wrote: Is...is iGrok voting for HF even though it'll probably kill him in the process...? No he didn't unvote. | ||
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It looks ridiculous if you read it though lol. WHY IS EVERYONE POSTING SO MUCH AND WHY ARE THE PEOPLE WHO AREN'T POSTING NOT POSTING AND WHY IS EVERYONE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE MAFIA ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH | ||
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On May 26 2019 06:07 iGrok wrote: So just to be clear, we’re all completely ignoring that HF apparently faked a post by me to include a fake breadcrumb to attack me for falsely crumbing a cop? Everyone thinks this is totally normal town behavior? Its totally normal hf town behaviour. | ||
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On May 26 2019 06:11 iGrok wrote: What’s your question, champ It wasn't a question I never asked you anything it was just an observation. Probably just cos of the post count. I did ask you to respond to hf's point a few pages back and you ignored it and then answered it for Koshi. ITS A PATTERN. ITS NOT ONLY YOU I GET IGNORED MOST OF THE TIME. It plays with my fragile self conscious ego. | ||
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On May 26 2019 06:17 Koshi wrote: I am also willing to vote supershitter wbg. I would like him out no matter what. But he's town, right? | ||
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On May 26 2019 06:17 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Why? Look at the shitstorm of the last now close to 30 pages. I can logically make a case on basically every single player in this game on why they are mafia. LITERALLY everyone. Yes that is me included. Why am I angry? because most people while I think might be town for the most part are all playing towards the mafia win con. This game day alone we have had 1 player fake claim 1 player claim undisclosed role 1 player have someone claim they breadcrumbed a role 1 player claim vet 1 player reaffirm their day 1 claim We have had players literally reappear randomly, bring up old cases / sentiment on people more or less being town read to throw shade at them again and vanish again. We have players spamming the thread in anger at eachother while serving literally no purpose aside from helping mafia hide etc.... Like seriously? and it feels like most people dont even give a shit about all this stuff. THIS IS FAKE | ||
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On May 26 2019 06:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote: No, that is literally things I have read. You auto dismissing it is helpful though. So when you say you can make a scum case on everyone here, what's the thinking behind saying that? | ||
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On May 26 2019 06:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi, you should vote Calix with me, at least you'd be on scum. He already is | ||
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On May 26 2019 06:33 Holyflare wrote: For the good of the thread I will leave for approximately 1 hour to give iGrok some breathing room so he can chat it out with you guys and maybe you can quote that post I made against him asking why VE was red or something, that'd be swell. Figuring him out is key. I don't think we can figure him out from his colourful chart because I think you're making more of than is necessary. Its definitely not the scummiest thing I've seen in this game. Shit its not even the scummiest thing you've pointed out in this game. | ||
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On March 08 2019 06:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: What the fuck is going on in this game? I leave for a bit and the thread turns to a shit show -_- How the fuck has more or less the entire thread glossed over the fact we had Rsoultin out Rel's role because she thought he was mafia then proceeded to not seriously push him as a candidate whatsoever Then proceeded to remain voting for someone she doesn't fully believe is fucking scum. Seriously wtf is wrong with you guys. We have already had a bunch of blues flip and no one questions seriously why its ok for someone to out another players role on a gut read? IMO there is literally no reason to out rels at this point in time unless you plan to go ham on a scum read. Jesus fuck. BC 10 minutes ago On May 26 2019 06:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Jesus flying fuck at this game. If anyone wonders why I have more or less vanished from the game it is seriously the last 25 pages or so of shit, like holy fuck. THIS game is a very clear reason of many issues I had which led me to quit playing Mafia. Like this is a shit show. Anyone at this point has a logical reason to just not want to play, regardless of alignment. Because its the most ridiculous thing in the world to read full of vitrol and hate. Lets pretend for even 1 moment that HF's claim (which he redacted) is real. Why would any of you think that Bugs would ever listen to you guys when he has a gun? As mafia he just shoots who he wants. He would only shoot the other wagon if it was going to kill another townie. Otherwise he shoots a "scum" read or some shit. As town, when he thinks 90% of you are shitters he will just shoot who he wants. Now heres the thing, HE HAS ALREADY CLAIMED PR. He didn't claim what he has, he just claimed he was one. Now, that means if he isn't CCing that he is A) A vig, which can be either of alignment B) he is the jailkeeper who thinks hes the reason KP was blocked last night was him C) Hes a lying mafia asshat who is scared shitless of a confirmed town. NOW, speaking of confirmed town. Say for some flying fuck wild ride that Koshi is legit a Veteran and stopped a shot. Who the fuck would shoot him? Like seriously. No one has even remotely considered who in their right might shoots Koshi. The guy literally has bare bones reasons to his reads, in some case he has no reasons and just posts / parrots other people. He spams the thread, is widely ignored, but is essentially helping mafia. Why do they shoot him? Only someone who actually thought he was threatening that no one else was. You guys can go read that if you want. Why do I say this? Because the "vet" players in this game are 100% more likely to shoot Koshi as vigi's over being mafia. Like the sheer level of dumb in this thread. (Me included, im not saying im not guilty of it). People are being given a free pass for tons of shit. Rayn - acting like a troll day 1, fake claims, gets out of a "lynch" becomes non entity. Conversion - where the fuck is he. He is such a non entity that he more or less appears, says a few things of basically nothing, mimics sentiment or defends himself and vanishes Disinformaion - Literally this games defiinition of a parrot. He has basically 0 thoughts that are his own, spews out other peoples cases to justify his own shit, asks questions, then pisses off with nothing new. In fact he constantly brings up shit the thread has moved past to re clutter it with the same debates. Jock - Where the fuck is he. Outside of day 1, what has he done, where is he, why should I care about him. He is such a non entity with everything going on I barely ever remember hes in this game. VE - You argue and fight everything. You are extremely combative this game and part of the reason I can't tell between you and bugs who should die to clean the thread. I purposely and reading you both as town so I can skim posts now. you both are responsible for half the stuff that makes the thread so terrible. STOP FIGHTING WITH EACHOTHER and spending pages upon pages upon pages burying everything else. HF - You are being productive now but you werent for ages. I had more but you have started to actually well play. Long as you keep it up your general laziness / apathy day 1 can be ignored. Igrok - You don't know why you are up for the lynch? You have been basically for the last 72 hours. It was you or Artanis. Not sure how you can appear and disappear as frequently as you do and not even know where the thread sentiment / votes are. However, this is a case (as much as everyone will call me terrible for it) of why you are likely dumb town and not scum. Artanis and Calix are literally non stop talked about, and so am I. I know my filter is full of shit so feel free to kill me for it. Youd be doing me a favour. Does he do this as town? | ||
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On May 26 2019 06:38 Calix wrote: Hey you, are YOU willing to switch to VE or rayn or Koshi or SOMETHING? As someone who is observing the thread, as opposed to getting caught up in everything, I can confirm that they are going out of their way to spam up the thread with irrelevant one-liners. We really need to kill one of them to make the thread more readable. I am becoming convinced that all the time-poor posters are town and that the mafia are spamming to make the time-poor posters unable to keep up, thus meaning they make bad posts, thus meaning active townies think they're scum and lynch them. Yeah I am. Absolutely. Who should I read first though. Any advice, because that's a buttload of filter and I don't wanna randomly lynch a spammer, especially cos I'm a bit of a spammer myself. | ||
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On May 26 2019 06:44 Calix wrote: I'm not asking you to read filters. Trust me, I'd never ask someone to read the entirety of Koshi/ rayn/ VE's filters. Just go back a few pages. Maybe 10. Skim-read those pages. Look at who is going out of their way to make spammy one-liners when they don't have to. Maybe keep a tally or something. Lynch those people. LOL no. Shit you think I just want to randomly lynch a spammer for spamming regardless of their intention? Cleaning up the thread is not my priority. I'll lynch a spammer if they are scum because they are the most dangerous scum. | ||
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On May 26 2019 06:40 Jockmcplop wrote: BC End of the World Party: BC 10 minutes ago Does he do this as town? Do I have to meta dive this guy while we're generating 8 million posts an hour or can someone just tell me?? | ||
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On May 26 2019 06:50 Calix wrote: At least two mafia are in the spammers. Not 100% sure all three of them are, however. I, personally, think rayn and VE are most likely to hit red. rayn especially has not said anything intelligent. Even though he's around, he never adds updated points as to why I am mafia. He just repeats the same thing over and over; this is a form of spam which vaguely resembles his 'town meta' but actually isn't his town meta because he lacks fluidity. He just berates people for 'shit lynches' while doing nothing to change anything [this is something he can do as mafia. It's not exclusive to his town game]. Meanwhile VE posts nothing but waffly posts and Appeal to Emotion [ATE] posts. I read this as mafia because he tends to make ATE posts when people are making inconvenient points against him. It looks like a deflection tactic. I'm least inclined to lynch Koshi purely because of the Veteran claim. But he is playing like mafia even if he is town. I'm sitting here thinking about this post. Oh God I'm going to have to do it. Its Amanda Young time. I'll be back before deadline, hopefully with a case on one of these. | ||
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On May 26 2019 07:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Don't do it Blue, not only is it pointless but you don't want to. None of us are getting lynched today, none of the people who are mad at us actually think we're mafia except for Bugs. You and Calix and Bugs can't lynch us over like iGrok or Artanis, and unlike rayn and Koshi I'm going to try and consolidate (whether or not I agree with the target) for the sake of putting information in the thread to help EVERYONE, not just me. I don't mind reading your filter VE. It'll probably amuse me. In fact I might take detailed notes and make a spreadsheet. | ||
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AND I QUOTE "It's less about trying to draw attention away from him - if you'll note I said we can absolutely pull him back into the pool in 24 hours - and more about trying to keep the thread from shitting up." This is genius. | ||
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On May 26 2019 07:09 VisceraEyes wrote: Don't lynch rayn or Koshi dog they're town. Try and lynch mafia for real. I ain't lynching any of you yet I'm just reading your filters calm the fuck down | ||
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He just came and made that fake angry post and then left. He failed to answer my question about what is motivation was behind saying he could make a mafia case on every single person. It might be true - but why would you say it? VE I'm looking through your filter and its like sitting on a train next to someone who's arguing with their wife over the phone. | ||
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Is anyone else? Calix I'm not going to lynch a spammer. VE's filter is impossible to read properly. How can i lynch someone I can't tell if they're scum or not? | ||
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On May 26 2019 07:45 VisceraEyes wrote: Tempting, but I don't think you have the votes for that either. Do you just not want to lynch iGrok/Artanis? Yeah but I'm bored. | ||
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lol I'm happy to stay on artanis. I don't really want iGrock gone. I'm trying to stop that from happening. My reads don't make sense as a whole though so sorry about that I think I need to re-think. Maybe I'm wrong about BC after all. | ||
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iGrok will flip town and we'll know nothing and hf will convince everyone not to kill him behind it. | ||
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The way I'm trying to solve the game I think iGrock flipping town is gonna be bad news. Where do we go from there? | ||
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On May 26 2019 08:06 iGrok wrote: because fuck it, man. I did what I could but HF has town wrapped around his finger. When I flip, shoot HF. Its not gonna work like that though. For sure its not. Look at bugs' post above you. Already he wants to lynch VE next if you flip town. | ||
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for fuck's sake. Can we kill hf please??? | ||
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But I can forget that for the rest of the game. Can we make sure the others die please? HF, BC, VE. I don't even know about VE but at this point I'm townreading you pretty strongly so fuck it. | ||
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On May 26 2019 15:18 wherebugsgo wrote: also it's amazing that you're calling HF town and not me when HF has been confirmed to be wrong on just as many players as me this game: Jock iGrok and his reads on both of you and VE are trash, and multiple players now are scumming him as they've figured out he's not town here. Jock finds him scummy, I find him scummy now, rayn finds him scummy, Koshi finds him scummy, Calix finds it weird that he mostly posts scummy shit about you but concludes you're town, iGrok found him scummy, ruxxar found him scummy HF is scum bro. And if you can't see that, then you're probably scum with him. I do think he's scum. Absolutely. Kill him with fire. BUT Isn't it just so fucking tl.net mafia to follow hf into a mislynch on day 2 and then end up killing town hf for it on N2/D3? That just kinda seems like the sorta thing we would do as town. Still... Kill him to death. | ||
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On May 26 2019 15:23 wherebugsgo wrote: umm nope cause you just got basic thread events wrong and you did not lift a finger to help me save iGrok. You could've tried convincing me to move my vote or why Artanis was scum there over iGrok but you didn't do that WBG you didn't try to save iGrock though. You were telling people to vote for him until no-one was left in the thread. Don't pull that shit. | ||
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You gave a gun to a townie? Will they kill hf? I'd like you explain as if to a child how you koshi's claim is good since iGrock died. I'm not following the PoE. Its like the most important thing I don't know how to do.. PoE stuff. My brain can't figure out how you lot are all figuring it out. | ||
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On May 26 2019 15:35 Jockmcplop wrote: I'd like you explain as if to a child how you koshi's claim is good since iGrock died. I'm not following the PoE. Its like the most important thing I don't know how to do.. PoE stuff. My brain can't figure out how you lot are all figuring it out. Forget this i just read you big post a couple of pages back and it makes sense. | ||
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Probably not going to be in the thread much today, but I say that every day and then I'm here anyway. Make them see, Bugs. If hf isn't scum he's the mislynch king. But he is scum. | ||
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Just because hf pretends he knowingly led us into a mislynch (we all know he'll do this) to solve the game it doesn't mean you should listen to a single word he says at all. | ||
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On May 26 2019 16:01 wherebugsgo wrote: HF/BC/Calix/Artanis is assuming VE dies tonight of course. If HF dies tonight then it's VE/BC/Calix/Artanis whatever. THIS IS THE PLAN. SO IT IS SAID. SO IT WILL BE DONE. | ||
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On May 26 2019 19:09 Holyflare wrote: Rayn and Koshi have largely just afkd d2 and auto voted actual mafia so I don't particularly think they've been toxic at all lately. You've essentially driven off VE, got 2 people probably modkilled, made iGrok leave the thread and auto lynch himself and not given town BC a chance to play. Then berated the only town guy that made cases for the whole of d2 for being wrong and blamed him for the game state while claiming he's now mafia while you lynched your town read. lol :D :D :D | ||
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On May 26 2019 18:53 Holyflare wrote: Calix/Artanis and VE or disfo, one of those. How did you work this out? | ||
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On May 26 2019 19:16 Koshi wrote: I quit reading 200ish posts before deadline. You people. Insane. Did you miss when I tried to save iGrock with a BC vote switch and got shut down cos everyone's pussywhipped by hf??? | ||
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On May 26 2019 19:16 Holyflare wrote: Shooting artanis would be extremely optimal for you jock It would be even more optimal for you | ||
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On May 26 2019 19:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote: As much as I hate to say this. Optimal play from any town vig / someone given a gun via gunsmith is to shoot me. My death would confirm HF, it also slaps a player like bugs in the face and makes him change his reads. He kind of has to accept everything that is happening / happened and change how hes playing when I flip town. Given how widely suspected I am it would also force people who are ignoring my reads based on their read of me would also have to reevaluate the fing game. Agreed. Whoever's got the gun should do this probably. | ||
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On May 26 2019 19:53 wherebugsgo wrote: let's hydra next game if we roll scum again it'll be great You're on | ||
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HF/BC/ someone else right??? | ||
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On May 26 2019 20:02 Holyflare wrote: Jock are you actually mafia and did what you did d1? No of course not I'm vt. | ||
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On May 26 2019 20:10 Holyflare wrote: But you still scum read me and bc? :D Yeah. Why shouldn't I?? | ||
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On May 26 2019 20:12 Holyflare wrote: Just use your gun on calix that's all I ask. She revealed she mafia. Whoever has the gun should use it on BC like he said | ||
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On May 26 2019 20:44 Holyflare wrote: Let's just lynch calix tomorrow and team up with rayn and koshi then? How are you gonna team up with Koshi? | ||
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On May 26 2019 20:52 Holyflare wrote: Jock has the gun and thinks koshi is gonna get shot :D :D I love this. | ||
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On May 26 2019 19:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote: As much as I hate to say this. Optimal play from any town vig / someone given a gun via gunsmith is to shoot me. My death would confirm HF, it also slaps a player like bugs in the face and makes him change his reads. He kind of has to accept everything that is happening / happened and change how hes playing when I flip town. Given how widely suspected I am it would also force people who are ignoring my reads based on their read of me would also have to reevaluate the fing game. | ||
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On May 27 2019 04:49 wherebugsgo wrote: dw my gun is in the hands of a confirmed scum it'll be fine Of course?!?!? What are you gonna do, give it to a vt?? lol :D | ||
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ok So I was very wrong about hf. Fair enough. If anyone has a reason not to townread myself or koshi, go ahead and talk about it. Otherwise I'm pretty much assuming that the two of us are town. Of the rest, artanis looks the most scummy to me,followed by BC. Holyflare said something yesterday about BC confirming himself as town but I missed and having re-read I still don't see it. I haven't filtered calix, disfo or conversion in a very long time so I don't really know. I guess that's a job for the next couple of days. | ||
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On May 27 2019 16:49 Calix wrote: Where do I say anything like that? I haven't defended my iGrok/ ruxxar votes at all. Well you did say that mafia were under no threat on day 1, which heavily implies mafia votes could be anywhere and that we shouldn't read into it. Probably a bit true but given that koshi just pointed out where your votes were it seems very much like that's why you made that post... | ||
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On May 27 2019 16:54 Jockmcplop wrote: Do you think BC would bus Artanis if they are both mafia? I'm looking at BC's activity around the day 2 vote. He's here at May 25 2019 22:27 BST Then isn't here Then makes a post at May 26 2019 04:44 BST -- this is just after the flip The he's not here again. Comes back May 26 2019 07:10 BST I'm not saying this is slam dunk or anything but if I was bussing on a wagon where the vote could turn out to be close I would definitely be checking back around the EoD to make sure I wasn't killing a teammate. | ||
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On May 27 2019 17:08 Koshi wrote: Hey jock. No offense. What the fuck are you doing? Can we pleassssseeeeeee vite Calix and afk 3 days and then vote somebody else and afk 3 days? Nah I like playing mafia. Although I will vote Calix for now just for a laugh like and because sheeping you is sensible for me right now. | ||
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On May 27 2019 17:11 Koshi wrote: W.e bro. I need you to pledge your vote to Calix now. So I can afk for 3 days. I PLEDGE NOTHING | ||
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On May 27 2019 17:19 Koshi wrote: You fuckers gobbled everyrhing up wbg and hf typed this game. So yes I am extremely scared of what dumb townies may type. Not talking about what damage smart mafia may do. YOU FUCKING TOLD ME HF WAS MAFIA AND KEPT TELLING ME THAT. I swallowed up more of what you told me than anyone else. Even when I followed bugs it was 2 reads that he shared with you ffs | ||
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On May 27 2019 18:01 disformation wrote: koshi if you manage to get yourself modkilled as vet in a tripple mylo for being an ass, ill bitch slap you harder than hf and wbg. the correct bad spelling/pronunciation of life is imo loife. i would prefer art over calix, esp if art continues to be the high templar of blehness, but i was horrible wrong the last two days so maybe i have a strong case of the being bads. Maybe you would prefer art, but maybe we should just vote for calix anyway?! | ||
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On May 27 2019 18:03 disformation wrote: that is not what i said and if you are trying to twist my words i will be slightly annoyed. I'm not trying to twist your words I was making a suggestion | ||
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On May 27 2019 18:03 Calix wrote: You can do that if you want to win Worst Town Performance in the awards. If those are still a thing I can get behind an Artanis vote. This makes me feel terrible about my recent play. | ||
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I feel like I should have got artanis on day 2 but I kinda gave up a bit. I could've had conversion day 1 also but didn't really go for it. Covnersion you shut that down pretty nicely well played. Bugs we should definitely hydra on the next game where mods allow it. | ||
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