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On May 21 2019 00:05 Conversion wrote: so tell me why disformation IGNORING ME FOR THE PAST 40 PAGES NOT MAKE HIM SCUM I didn't notice that disfo was ignoring you. That kind of thing is not easy to spot. I'll check his filter again for this when I get home from work in about an hour (or when I've watched Game of Thrones after that). | ||
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On May 21 2019 11:30 ruXxar wrote: Bugs sounding like a broken record and repeating yourself ad nauseam doesnt make the genie pop out of bottle and make your wish of me being mafia come true. It does however make me think youre just a dumb town tunneling. Unless youre scum buddy with calix trying to deflect his lynch(which i find unlikely after your call out post), youre just stuck in the typical town ego trap of mafia read confirmation bias. Your ego wont allow you to back down from this lynch now that youve put so much into it. I see no point why you as mafia would keep pushing me at this point. Thats fine, i get it, ive been there. Ill just ignore you from now on as youre very clearly too deep in the hole to think rationally any longer. I do want to bring attention to the huge momentum swing we’ve had in activity from certain players. The beginning of the game was a big shitshow dominated by the presence of rayn and hf. Both of which have gone either completely silent(rayn) or currently do not give a shit(hf) Rayn really outed himself in a dumb way that i dont think mafia would do. He took a what i would consider big gamble by goung full retard. He was on the chopping block for a while but made it out alive. Hes very likely town at this point. Hf on the other hand, is currently playing a masterful scum game. Hes controlling his thread presence well, but has basically taken no hard scum stances on anyone. Hes wobbling and flaky in his reads and he refuses to take a stance on the main wagons by either defending or pushing them (calix and me). Lately he seems very content with where the thread is heading and is very indifferent to the outcome of this lynch, despite claiming that i was not scum earlier and refusing to make up a fresh opinion. I see no real motivation behind his actions besides his content in letting this lynch play out. HF reeks of scum and is almost certain to flip mafia at this point, summing up the development of his thread interaction, lack of real motivation and indifference to the current situation. Tldr: Bugs is dumbo town. Rayn is town. HF is mafia. ##vote holyflare I just woke up and read the thread and I gotta say I dislike this post. Quite alot. Picking bugs, rayn and HF to talk about is a very deliberate ploy imo. Just focusing all the attention away from any reasonable wagons, basically ignoring EVERYTHING that happened in the whole thread after the point where ruxxar was first voted for. Its like you read that at least 4 people have stated 'going against thread sentiment' as a reason to townread someone and just thought to yourself 'how can I go against thread sentiment while protecting myself'. It seems so fake. It seems even more fake because you hadn't really provided solid reads until this point and then someone points that out and magically you pop up with a reads post where your main read doesn't make sense. Add to that the fact that you're clearly lurking and only turn up to respond to accusations (in a way that so precisely answers those accusations - as if yeah you had reads but for some reason waited until now to post them). I hate this post. Its scummy. What do you think of conversion, BC, koshi and VE right now? Just one sentence on each would be fine. You've made some posts but I really don't know what you're thinking when it comes to most of the people playing the game. | ||
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Normally he has tried to make a case on someone by now. I take that criticism back ruxxar. I still think your post is a bit scummy but you have a point on hf. He hasn't done anything. He's voting for the most afk of afkers which is literally the opposite of what he normally does. He argued with rayn on my behalf alot and that really is the most active he's been in the thread. Since then he has got nothing done except give a bunch of town reads and then say that maybe he was wrong about them. I'm confused. Is everyone scum except me? So far - the people I would townread are: Artanis (just because I haven't seen anything scummy from him) WBG (is playing like town WBG - this changed from the first couple of hours but I was reading too much into a simple mistake) Scum are: Conversion still hasn't convinced me to change my vote. Being angry about being voted for is NAI. Trying to make me stop talking about the fact that he said he hasn't played when he has. Repeatedly says 'fuck you it was because i was fired.' This is bad. All he needed to say was that he replaced out. Its like he REALLY doesn't want me to talk about it. ALSO HE TUNNELS DISFO BUT HAS DONE NOTHING ELSE NOTHING One single tunnel in a game could easily be fake. Conversion what are you thinking about others in the thread??? (other than disfo) You said you have 24 hours to convince us you're town but since then you've done absolutely nothing that would convince anyone you are town. HF (scumlean) - Ruxxar's case is interesting. You are normally leading the thread or getting involved with trying to get people onto a wagon. You aren't doing what you normally do as town. I think every game I've played with you you've been blue - and in each one you were one of the main presences in the thread - at least trying hard to get stuff done. You seem to be reacting to other people's reads alot more than you are making your own. Can you explain this for me. This game is confusing as all hell. I don't get it. I don't like Koshi, don't like disfo very much either, BC is suspicious and they can't all be mafia FFS. I'm leaving these guys as null for now with VE - who claims to be obvtown but I don't see it yet. | ||
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On May 21 2019 06:33 VisceraEyes wrote: WHERE THE FUCK IS RAYN!? | ||
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On May 21 2019 00:10 Conversion wrote: but again, not really focused anywhere else and if that makes me scum then so be it On May 20 2019 23:54 Conversion wrote: I don't need thoughts on other players, I have caught scum in disformation and am currently meta diving him. I invite you to join me and lynch scum with fire On May 21 2019 10:53 Conversion wrote: ruxxar: + Show Spoiler + On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote: sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics. i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun. - jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart. - hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up. - VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia. - rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho. - bugs looks aigh tish. - i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information. already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them. ##Vote calix ok starts off pretty much sprinting out of the gate, calling calix scum let’s see where the leads to On May 20 2019 06:54 ruXxar wrote: @rayn did your opinion on calix change or what? asks rayn if his opinion changes, but like 30 posts ago rayn was ranting about how Calix was mafia? not sure what the point of this jab was TBH.. doesn’t look like he follows it up either On May 20 2019 15:50 ruXxar wrote: You dont like my entry post but seem just entirely fine with calix list post. Of course you do when he calls you town lmao kinda omgusy defense towards bugs here On May 20 2019 16:42 ruXxar wrote: So is calix scummy or not? Make up your mind. You say im scummy for reading calix as scum, but now youre calling calix scum also. #galaxybrain bugs makes a pretty big post, ruxxar kind of just shitposts back at him? which is funny because he said we’s not trying to shit up the thread On May 21 2019 01:39 ruXxar wrote: so i spent about an hour reading through filters to refresh and condense my thoughts. tbh my opnions didnt change much. new development being koshis entry and seeming fairly townish. im starting to dislike jock a lot, his thread presence is annoying and erratic, i wish he would calm down and focus. my scum read on calix remains, though i liked her post on conversion. speaking of: im sensing some fake agression from conversion. might be tryharding to imitate town meta. i could be swayed to vote conversion today. this part is hilarious. bugs wanted ruxxar to talk to him (bugs) about me (conversion), but ruxxar just shits on him, comes back like 5 hours later or whatever and suddenly I’m a scum lean. wtf? On May 21 2019 06:02 ruXxar wrote: When you have these two posts in the thread then making the following post on calix is not exactly a bold original idea. It could be construed as trying to get a second wagon started without risking yourself. Do notice that both me and rayn voted for calix. But bloody despite calling her post «screaming fucking mafia» did not join voting. Perhaps waiting to see if thread sentiment would build further onto calix first. if I read this out of context it looks like a townie trying. I think I’m starting to see a little bit of people’s issues with ruxxar— it almost feels like he has a disconnect with his ideas and his actions. he doesn’t seem to engage with the thread in any way, throws out a bunch of reads, and without that engagement I can see why he looks scummy. hmm give me a good night’s rest to sleep and recharge and I’ll reread my thing and some other cases on him (if you could be so kind to point it out some cases, I don’t have to waste extra time digging through the thread) Don't need thoughts on other players. Perfectly content just to talk about disfo and ignore everyone else, if that makes you scum then so be it. BUT Just happens to agree exactly with thread sentiment about ruxxar as well. | ||
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On May 21 2019 14:46 iGrok wrote: Jesus, how did you guys generate 40 pages of filter in 48 hours. Not all the way done, but first of all - thanks BC for calming people down a bit. I think. Maybe I should wait to say that until I get through the rest of this. I'm particularly interested in what you think of conversion, hf and VE (cos I don't know what to think of VE) | ||
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On May 21 2019 15:05 wherebugsgo wrote: Jock I think conversion is town based on his tone and responses to being called out. He’s pretty self-aware that he’s only focusing on disformation so a part of me wants to help disformation die so he can do other things but actually if you read he is doing things other than tunneling disfo. For example response posts, 775 780 and 787 are all posts that I find would be difficult for scum to fake. At the moment I think they’re both town though. Hmm... OK Well I can see that you think he is town. Nothing you've posted would convince me that he's town though. I've just looked at those three posts and they all seem NAI to me. I could well imagine mafia posting any of those. Do you think hf is playing differently to usual? Where is his pushing for a lynch? Why i he going for afkers when he never does that. | ||
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On May 21 2019 15:27 wherebugsgo wrote: I don’t think HF is playing particularly out of band here. Right now I’m still rather confused at some events in the game. Based on HF’s style of adding up townreads and lynching through the rest, and what he’s posted so far on feeling unsure about said townreads, I imagine he just hasn’t been able to get enough of a grip on the game and resorted to voting iGrok. Now that iGrok is back and EU is waking up I fully expect HF to do some reevaluations and if he doesn’t, then I’ll become concerned. I’m also waiting for him to react to certain things I’ve noted and I want to see if his opinions move in a way that I’d expect. So far so good though; my opinion on HF is that he’s a fairly logical player even if sometimes he harps on weird stuff or goes pants-on-head like he did with me last game with his inordinately stupid fake claim red check. Btw why I pointed out those 3 posts is because I think mafia tend to not try to call as much attention to themselves in non-chalant, repeated ways. It’s especially the case in his responses to Calix, because he essentially says “hey look I can make you look bad too” without OMGUSing, and I think most scum in that situation would not be bold enough to counter like that. OK thanks for explaining... I'll bear that in mind as he posts more. IMO from what he has posted so far that isn't nearly enough to make me townread him or downgrade my scumread on him. I just want him to scumhunt in a way that doesn't seem fake. His sudden about turn from "I only want to talk about disfo" to agreeing with thread sentiment on ruxxar is an example of this. Let's see what happens today. With hf, I'm very much in the 'wait and see' camp with you on that one. He might come here and do his usual hf thing, and you explanation for why he is acting the way he is actually makes sense in context with his previous games. I think I'm getting a little bit thrown with the 72 hour days. The rhythm of the game is different - I think this might be why everything is a little bit wild at the moment... No-one's really motivated o properly push a lynch because there's so much time left. | ||
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On May 21 2019 07:59 disformation wrote: getting kinda late here, but i can be around a bit longer. so head kinda at: there is something wrong in calix <> wbg <> koshi that i need to look at after ive gotten some sleep. i think bc hasnt explained the jock reads stuff so I actually have no idea how some reads in his filter came to be, which i dont like the longer the game progresses. the last page of his filter also doesnt carry a lot of good information. liked him better earlier in the game. I can actually explain this if you wanted me to... but I'm kinda waiting for BC to turn up and do so. He's been asked by disfo like 10 times to explain something and is ignoring it or being coy. I don't get why people can't be straightforward about stuff like this. Explain your reads people. | ||
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On May 21 2019 16:37 iGrok wrote: @bugs I have Koshi as my towniest read. Why? | ||
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I don't get how. | ||
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On May 21 2019 17:01 wherebugsgo wrote: 682 is this: HF: I don't think iGrok is the lynch today. I'm not seeing how he's scum here. I'd rather you help me lynch ruxxar and help me understand what alignment koshi is here. Finding out koshi's alignment is a priority for me too in the next 12 hours. He seems to have strong opinions that don't follow with thread sentiment so if we can figure this one out some other things might fall into place. How are we gonna go about it? | ||
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On May 21 2019 17:26 wherebugsgo wrote: The most foolproof way would be just to kill him :D I like it | ||
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On May 21 2019 17:36 wherebugsgo wrote: I’m going to pretend rayn, Koshi, and VE all don’t exist in this game until d2 and I implore you all to do the same thing. Literally none of them have contributed anything useful all game and sadly there is a high chance at least one of them is town. We get the short end of the stick in determining their alignments later. On VE, if it’s unclear why he’s in my scumpile: VE is eventually going to come back and if he’s reasonable it’ll be obvious fairly quickly. However he’s already gotten so many things uncharacteristically wrong and dodged so many questions that it’s better to leave him alone and see if he does something constructive with the space rather than bait him into arguments where he’ll undoubtably bloat the thread as either alignment But you just asked hf to help you figure out koshi's alignment! | ||
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On May 21 2019 17:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: He already pissed me off and normally it stops sooner when he is town. Bit idk. I am noy gonna vote for anyways. Tbh i am not gonna change my vote at all because even if jock is town he is still +1 mafia. Noone as town should ever say shit like that then later on just say oh thats not why i said it you should just trust i meant something i didnt say. Dude wtf. I'm obviously not mafia. If you can't be arsed to bother reading the thread just say so don't make up some shitty excuse as to why you aren't changing your vote. | ||
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