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On May 26 2019 00:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm so confused, I'm trying to get Jock to townread me because I prefer not being lynched. Also, how am I buddying you in that post? "i'm the first person to question WBG LOL" said to Jock, literally captain of the WBG questioning squad | ||
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On May 26 2019 01:08 Holyflare wrote: Can I get past the BC meta read Artanis made? I dunno lol. I can't believe Artanis thought BC's posts were even aggro to make a case? Kinda unbelievable? hi I'm back cause I can't sleep cause it's a sauna in here and I feel the urge to tell HF to knock it off before he makes another bad scumread. I am now reverting to my channeling of Foolishness after our previous intermission, to reminisce about past good fairy garden town times. All of that is now over. It's serious business time. Get ready. hey HF, knock it off. Don't scumread Artanis for bad reasons. I believe in you, I believe that the gears are moving in your head and you feel confused. Be patient. You need to empathize more. You're scumreading Artanis for disappearing just like you did on Calix earlier, though you caught yourself on Calix and you didn't catch yourself on Artanis. You have a strong meta case to read town on BC but you're not noticing that people are scumming BC for not being present either (so while I think you have the correct read, you need to do more to help strengthen the reads of those who are scumming BC). People are doing the same thing to conversion as well and I believe you have the correct read there but just need to ensure thread sentiment never creeps back to that. You have evidence of a townie in the form of game notes for iGrok but you aren't seeing it because of the play that you can't reconcile, because you aren't able to put yourself in the shoes of the player you're attacking. There's one more case where I believe you aren't empathizing enough but that one contains a lot of bias so I won't go there. Look at the thread sentiment immediately after Artanis left the thread. He's not scum because he told the truth about not having enough time and saying he's "underwhelming" is essentially a way we all rationalize our read weakenings based purely on activity. Also, look carefully for patterns on who is pushing thread sentiment and who is trying to ride thread sentiment. It comes in waves. You need to ignore names and step back, think about who benefits if the thread is 200 pages. Hint: it's actually not the "lurkers" and really there are no lurkers this game. The bottom 5 players on activity stick out like sore thumbs despite all of them, purely based on content, looking fine. If scum are playing well here (which they certainly are if town reads overlap so little even though we've been discussing for 200 pages) then they're contributing to activity but not contributing to solving the game; the activity is making it harder to find scum. Recall what I said last game about me thinking activity that is too low is bad and activity that is too high that is also too bad. I've been desperately trying to slow down the thread in my own shitty ways, and failing horribly because it's very difficult for me to do when I am myself an active townie. You should be looking at the top 5 active players this game, yes myself included, for the scum. There's at least one active scum in the top 3 posters in this game IMO. I know I've acted like a complete monkey at times, especially over the course of d2 and the end of d1. I think if you are really town here and want to understand why I was able to nail you on your playstyle last game but still call you scum (and this is because I HIGHLY respect your play. I cannot call you dumb town so if I call you out on surface level nitpicking, and by your own admission I was right, I'm forced to call you scum, it's optimal play) but make an on-the-fly adjustment here and really townread you, when I see you doing a lot of the same things from last game e.g. on reading iGrok, and falling into the away from thread = scum trap, you need to do what I did and try to put yourself in my shoes. Try to read the game as I do for once. I've read the game from your perspective and it makes sense to me. I'm blending our reads to solve the game. | ||
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On May 26 2019 01:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: bugs i am trying to be reasonable with you once more. I dont care however much you think i am mafia for whatever reason you have invented but your Koshi read is garbage. There is zero percent chance Koshi claims veteran with zero pressure on him when a no-kill on N1 confirms there is either a jailkeeper or a veteran in the game. If you want to claim jailkeeper i am willing to decide on a lynch between you two, and you should come out weith it right away, otherwise your shit on Koshi is garbage and you should know it. Let's talk about you first. 1. Why did you make your PC claim and whether you were backtracking it ambiguous as HF pointed out in your response to conversion's confusion post? + Show Spoiler + I don't think HF bought your explanation on how your response went down, given that I certainly didn't and I'm not sure anyone else in the thread really 100% agreed you are town PC because Calix actually even threw a case on you and no one, to the best of my knowledge, rebutted her by saying you're an un-CCed PC. 2. Why have you decided to talk to me now in a civil manner when I hard-stance Koshi? All I recall you doing this game is claiming PC, tunneling the only non-dead confirmed town in the game, followed by tunneling Calix in the exact same way and ignoring great, new evidence that Calix is not scum. I know you do this to some extent as town and I'm about to get a bunch of people meta riding you town here but I think this seems exaggerated. I think even your top town read Koshi has dropped the Calix = scum blinders and you haven't, as I recall, seemed to engage him on why he thinks so. 3. Why did you berate HF for letting the thread atmosphere get polluted when you're arguably far more responsible for that? If you're un-CCed PC then surely you should consider yourself confirmed town, and put yourself in a leadership position to make sure you get listened to if you 100% believe you are right, and help us all figure out the rest of the game in the process. There's certainly more than one scum, yeah? Why wait until now to become an active participant in the solving efforts? Despite scum reading me you did actually engage me during N1 last game, because I remember talking to you during the night and making whatever futile efforts I could to get you to stop incorrectly scumreading me (and also Pandain?) before you died. let's not talk about Koshi, he's like an innocent child who I have to murder for something he didn't entirely do wrong and it feels bad to have to do him in like this. Although to be fair I suspected he was scum well before I started calling him scum 100%, the claim just sealed the deal. + Show Spoiler + I have already explained why it's a scum claim though. I'll add that he waited until he was certain of two things, one, a single, very lynch-happy townie (me) basically being 100% certain he's scum, but IIRC he passed it off as "townies" (note the plural) calling him scum. He also messed up his claim reasons several times and it looked like he panicked. I caught a few scumslips. People disagree. My points stand on their own merits and you aren't bringing up anything new here that I haven't already addressed.+ Show Spoiler + I'm not claiming Jailer and I find it scummy that you're assuming that. Clearly not reading the thread/my posts about the claim and more evidence you have TMI. | ||
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On May 26 2019 01:44 VisceraEyes wrote: You really are just ignoring me. You really are tunneled that hard. Bugs I never want to play another game with you again. sorry, I'm ignoring you because I want to drop the tunnel, as unintuitive as that sounds. I'm sorry that I've made you feel that way if you're town and not just a scummer. I'm here if you want to rant at me, I'll take it full blast bro. Anything for you. I'm also really really sorry if I made the game unfun for you at any point, 100% not my intention there either. If there's anything that anyone should know about me, it's not that I am obviously very stubborn, and pretty retarded. They go hand in hand and are evident, I'm one of the most prolific town on town lynchers ever. However, really the one thing everyone should know is that I always, 100%, 1000% play to my win condition, with the hope that as human as I am I can do my own thing and have some good moments and some fun lynching scummers and defending my slandered teammates and doing what I like doing best which is convincing people to help me win the game using empathy, evidence, and logic, to whatever extent my pea-brain can process those things, anyway. And in this game everyone played their hearts out and regardless of the results, regardless of people calling me pants-on-head when I turn out wrong, I'm happy. | ||
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On May 26 2019 01:51 Holyflare wrote: BloodyC0bbler Table of Contents Read Progression - Inconsistent Thoughts and Scummy Jock Reads - Really Scummy Looking Other D1 Reads - Not awful Post D1 Flip/N1 - Inconsistent/Not Awful D2 - Not Bad/Consistent TL;DR His read progression + Show Spoiler + On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did. As I am just finishing the catch up so far. Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die. Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now. Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing. VE does raise a good point on Igrok however before we decide to fully opt that route we should wait for him to get back from being gone all day on a plane to post anything to get a better idea. I am fine with putting him on the likely red list for now but I feel like its fine to give the man a few more posts before damning him given what he has posted thus far. Also this is being quoted for anyone who bothers to think on it. I feel it will give me / anyone with brains proper reads on eachother this game. BC begins the game saying that the vote train on Rayn is really bad (from me) because I fake claim stuff all the time but this was quite literally nothing to do with fake claiming anything. Straight after he then goes on to say if you voted for Rayn for anything after that you are in the clear for now but he has the following things. Both of these things are inconsistent AND unrelated to each other. One of them is simply about his view on myself and the other is for everyone else that voted for Rayn after the fact (but I was the first one to vote for rayn for something not to do with the claim too!) so it's a lot of hot air. He posts a small read list but there's several inconsistent things related to it. Earlier he said that everyone voting for rayn after the fact is in the clear for now but Jock and myself both voted for rayn after the fact and are null to scum and Rayn is null possible town. This is internally inconsistent with what BC has promoted in the thread. Why is everyone that voted for rayn after the claim thing clear if he town reads rayn? Calix is also scum but shares this same sentiment, so really the beginning of his post was entirely irrelevant wasn't it? Furthermore, he scum reads Calix for her opening post saying it's anything but "certain" but doesn't evaluate where it's UNcertain. I'd argue it's not really uncertain at all like he makes it out to be, quite the opposite in fact, very hard stances. This post seems like a terrible conclusion to me: Both Ruxxar and Calix are on his lean scum reads (Calix being mafia) but his conclusion after this is that Ruxxar AND Calix are mafia or one of them is. It's a bit of a backwards conclusion to make rather than Ruxxar just being town. What you'd be even more confused to know is that this ruxxar conclusion comes BEFORE BC had already made his read list that called ruxxar/calix lean scum/scum so it's already gone back in time to make a weird conclusion that wasn't even necessary if that's what he already concluded in his reads list. Just looks like posturing to me. His Jock Reads His stance on Jock: BC asks me for my stance on Jock's post here: + Show Spoiler + On May 20 2019 06:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote: HF. Ignoring Rayns case on Jock. What do you think of Not knowing why he asked it I answered it and he didn't really provide anything from it. That was until he posted this shortly after: + Show Spoiler + On May 20 2019 06:57 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Rayn, take a step back and take a chill pill. Regardless of what else Jock has posted in thread, his most damning post is the one I quoted. Again, I want at least VE or Bugs, preferably both and a few others to talk on it and I will say why. However at this point, Ruxxar and Calix are the 2 scummiest people in thread. I mean I would actually kill Ruxxar over Calix at this point but we also have 48 hours or some nonsense left to get information on people. He says this is Jock's most damning post (scummy post he implies) but if you read the contents of Jock's post it's exactly what BC was talking about in the start of his opening post! People voting for Rayn after his claim are in the clear. But they aren't when BC mentions them. Can you predict what happens next? It may surprise you! ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. He never explains why this Jock post is damning, never elaborates on it, doesn't follow up with Rayn on Jock at all. It's clearly not very damning in the slightest because Jock doesn't even appear in the fucking scum reads after: fml Maybe he's hiding something? Disformation rightly calls him out on it: All the meanwhile he is dangling this Jock read like it's the best thing since sliced bread that people need to comment on BUT he's downgrading Rayn all the while even though Rayn's only real points and bull headedness are directed to Jock. More dangling: + Show Spoiler + On May 20 2019 07:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You are a good enough player to change what I am seeing if I out it atm. This is purely for my own read of your meta. If it makes you feel better if I need to bring it up it will be done in a very similar manner to which I did (although wrongly) to HF last game. So you will be able to very clearly see my thought process. I wont bring it up now purely because I don't think you are someone who should even be up to be lynched today and until you post shit that changes my mind on that I dont want to waste more time cluttering the thread when there are better options IMO More waiting: + Show Spoiler + On May 20 2019 07:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Come on bugs. Answer what I asked youuuuu + Show Spoiler + On May 20 2019 07:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote: gonna post these now as I feel current trend has gone away from them. So lets talk about it! Also, Bugs and VE Repeats the same Jock dangling like for an entire page of filter on page 2. Meanwhile, repeat quotes Ruxxar and Calix's opening posts but says no conclusions, just "let's talk about it". Always trying to get people to talk about things and never reaching real conclusions. + Show Spoiler + On May 20 2019 07:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Didn't see this before i made my last post so dont need to repeat yourself. + Show Spoiler + On May 20 2019 07:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You reason for Jock and Mine are completely different. I have a scum lean but not strong enough that Im happy with. Bugs has given me currently the best answer to jock if that helps you understand my thought process at all. but Bugs' post was a town read of Jock????? Then he fucking vanishes ALONG WITH HIS JOCK READ. Like what the actual fuck. He's dangled this read, returns to the thread when Bugs is saying we should lynch ruxxar telling bugs he's not going to sheep because he independently has said ruxxar is scummy (but all he's actually done is quote ONE RUXXAR POST ALL GAME) saying that it's scummy even though it AGREES with his conclusion on Calix. BUT WAIT: AFTER 2 PAGES OF DANGLING THE JOCK READ IT TURNS OUT IT'S ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING BUGS SAID REALLY AND IT'S LITERALLY JUST "HE'S DONE NOTHING OUTSIDE OF RAYN READ". Like wtf, he's a good cop check, that's it? 2 pages of filter getting a read on jock and it's, oh he's not done much hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Don't even get me started on this DISFORMATION scum read. What's it based off of? The post he quoted earlier that I even rebutted saying it actually made disfo town? Is that it? It's unexplained completely, no backing up, no evidence, nothing. Jock is even just a fucking null read it turns out: ........... He gives a pass to artanis and igrok because he knows their names or whatever but then Artanis scum reads him for (awful) meta and BC following thread sentiment but BC doesn't even accuse him of the meta being bad he just wants credit for being the first person to scum read them (all he did was quote a first post and put them in a list...) and that's his huge gripe with artanis that he puts him as mafia: + Show Spoiler + On May 21 2019 03:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Wait wait wait? Let me get this straight. In a thread where basically only 2 people (one of which I was the first to really scum read) being rayn and ruxxar all saw Calix as scum. Where at a time, Rayn was getting shit on from the entire thread. I was pushing thread sentiment? I was stopping a shit show of cluttering of the thread as best I could. Ruxxar? Thread sentiment? Literally the first to bring him up. Disinformation? same basic thing. So basically fuck you artanis. I tried to keep people off you so you could come back and at least do something. I give next to 0 fucks you chose to filter dive me cause well its at least productive but for you to completely read the thread wrong means you skim read, didnt read, or chose to fabricate shit. ESPECIALLY when you filter dive me. Sorry, if you outright say you are reading my filter, I expect you to read the thread at the time of my postings, otherwise you are legit making shit up. So you wanted me to read you? You can join the mafia side of my list. I'm fine with this. Just thought it's relevant to build the narrative. He says he feels his town circle is off too but doesn't elaborate how, nor do we ever find out because as far as I'm aware he still town reads everyone he's listed. Here he deflects a ruxxar point about why he got so defensive with Artanis entirely on its head and makes it about him and Calix?????????????? Dodge much. + Show Spoiler + On May 21 2019 06:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote: TBH your tone currently sounds super diff than last game VE. Also your auto swap aggro to HF is the shit he is referring to. Scum reads Ruxxar for first post still even though it called his scum read (calix) mafia and for pretty much the same reasons too! No idea what the second read means and 3 and 4 don't really make anyone mafia but I can believe that someone would think that. What I don't understand is why he defends igrok/calix/other people here when he scum reads calix quite a lot, has defended igrok and whatever else? What's wrong with talking about other people? Why doesn't he mention anyone specific that this is bad for? He spent 2 pages getting people to comment on his Jock null read/scum lean so why doesn't he actually do the same when he has mafia points on Ruxxar? Inconsistent thought process to early entirely. He goes afk and returns with + Show Spoiler + On May 21 2019 19:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote: This thread is such a clusterfuck. Lets all sit back for like, 5 minutes. Remove all our current views for the moment on Calix and Ruxxar. I say this as these 2 have eaten up the majority of the last well, 30+ hours? Who does everyone else think is mafia. Of those people who has been say mentioned many times but like, any number of people but its either ignored, buried, or forgotten? This is for people like VE and Bugs. Stop fighting each other for 5 minutes and how about we find some form of consensus. and before you yell and scream at me bugs. Yes I think Ruxxar could still flip mafia, but it means jack shit currently if neither of us can convince anyone else to see what we have. So if only 2 maybe 3 people see what we see, just for a moment concede for the purposes of other options that we could be wrong. His read list... still has disformation in it... for what I can only imagine was that ONE post he quoted at the START of the game like 10 years ago that doesn't mean anything. Calix is literally associative and nothing has changed on her from his perspective and even says they both could still be mafia? So disformation's ONE post outweighs the entirety of his calix dislike? I don't believe it. Artanis is thrown in there for one post effectively also. DO YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S WORST THING THOUGH: THIS ISN'T TRUE. BUGS DID NOT EXPLAIN BC'S JOCK READ BECAUSE BC'S JOCK READ WAS A SCUM LEAN FOR A LONG TIME. It only became "null" later after Jock's argument with rayn/myself. Disformation is playing well because he calls out BC for it and he doubles down that his read was null! Some question to disfo or whatever and upgrades Calix to a town read after some pages, wants to dive VE but doesn't want to read filter. Disfo hammers down on BC. +++++++ points for disfo, really good player + Show Spoiler + On May 21 2019 20:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You do realize that after the post I just quoted of mine I basically didnt talk about Jock for ages? Why do you care about my Jock read progression. I literally in my filter said I wasn't 100% on him and it was a lean. Why the hell do you care more about my reasons for someone leaning scum as opposed to someone I think is scum? You are reading the thread, you have been here more or less active the entire game day and have offered nothing of substance. Help us solve the game, or if you just insist on tunneling people who point in your direction get ready to likely get vigi'd or lynched. Other D1 Read Progressions He goes after conversion who can't name 3 mafia reads as if that makes someone mafia even though he's expressed this game is hard and his mafia reads if you follow his list are up in the air too! Says jock should listen to hf and bugs and vote VE. doubles down on ve maybe being mafia strike 2 on saying he needs to read VE's filter and not doing it but actually voting him - no reasons for voting him either and STILL HAS THE 3 SAME SCUM READS TOO so what the fuck is VE being voted for exactly? This artanis rebuttal I don't actually hate: + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2019 05:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Well. At least someone I think is mafia finally hard stanced me. However Artanis the issue with your entire case is its completely made up. Lets look at your first point. My first post was appearing into the thread. I gave a justifiable reason to stop the stupidity of the first bit of the game day based on how I see things. You can disagree all you want, but attempting to stop a slug fest that benefits no one in thread is not a bad thing. Second. I provide a scum read, and gave you a solid reason for it. Again regardless of if you agree with it, my thoughts were there. Third, I give a reason as to why I disagree with VE. Which is normal given our way of interacting with eachother in thread. Then I have a follow up question to get reads on people Now lets move to your third point as its the most damning of well you. You chose to meta read me. More importantly, give that you were the host last game, you should know my meta perfectly well. IE you should have it on lock almost as well as VE, HF, Bugs, etc... Why? because you hosted a game I was in and clearly can see my meta from there. Instead you cherry pick 3 posts. Now the first one isnt even me being aggressive. I will give you a post for comparison from my mafia meta in end of the world + Show Spoiler + On March 04 2019 06:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote: What the fuck is this post. I honestly for most of this time thought you were just a bad townie but like the fuck is this shit? You don't want to kill the policy lynch in a few hours because the guy claims to have read his pm then aside from one post has done dick fuck all. You then say you want Palmar as mayor over HF because you trust Palmar over HF to find mafia. Why? What reason do you have that Palmar will do a better job. Also to iterate what other people have said. HF wants to lynch Oats just like you do..... for fuck sakes dude. In regards to the other 2 posts you use? Shit on the thread? Didn't provide alternatives. Disinformation, Ruxxar, Calix, You. All people Ive mentioned as alternatives. Now before you Go screaming thread sentiment. Or (as this leads into your next point of my scum reads only being people who scum read me) I bring up, Disinformation, and Ruxxar before either of them begins scumreading me. I will give you that my read on you is almost in direct relation to you posting at myself. Why? Because you are actively trying to fabricate shit that doesn't exist. You have actively chosen to ignore large parts of my filter to create a nice story to accuse me with. Also trying to throw shade on me for not trying to get my preferred lynch killed when literally no one aside from bugs was even willing to vote that way? Again, scummy as hell dude. So fuck it. People want to kill me, go for it. However the trade of me for artanis is a good one. Ill gladly go 1 for 1 with you buddy. + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2019 05:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Has the pull? Maybe? We have like what? less than 7 hours before the deadline and I leave for work in about an hour. Between now and then i'm not around. Even if you doubt his level of pull, he got an auto sheep vote already, and other people actively talking about swinging that way. Given that I think Artanis is showing his mafia hand why wouldnt I at least push back? Dude. The guy clearly cherry picked my filter / created a false scenario of events on how I am playing. No idea where Koshi appeared in this list. Either way, still same 3 scum reads as before. His vote wasn't on ruxxar because he voted Artanis... on his own but was afk so it's whatever. Maybe even +++ points because he was one of the leading wagons and didn't vote to save himself at that point in any way despite knowing he had to go afk. Post-D1 Flip/N1 Reads + Show Spoiler + On May 23 2019 07:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I r back now and fuck, sorry guys. The way Ruxxar was playing I thought the read was right =\ Even if my voted wasn't on him, my read still played a huge part in his death. As for the newest events of the last 20 pages or so. No Bugs, after al that has been said and done, I wont be agreeing to kill VE. I voted for him (briefly) for the same reasons I started to lose my read of HF in the last game. Having time to sit back, think, and reflect I just can't kill him atm. Looking at the thread trying to be impartial again to avoid the tunnel mentality and the adversity from contrary reads VE looks good. and his reasonings for the slight changes between games makes sense. Can't kill him as of yet. Looking at the thread now, especially during the night phase. I would say this. Rayn, HF, VE, Koshi (i hate saying this), all look decent and should be where any protective roles we have be sitting. As much I know that I am on that list because I know that I am 100% town, given that basically no one else thinks so, leave me to potential bullets. Bugs, and I personally would say Jock, basically lives in the same zone that I am. That leaves everyone else. There is enough consensus now on Artanis that although the way I got my initial read on him was completely stupid, he has continued to post in a way that I still think is mafia. Plus the people who seem to be playing better than me agree on it so I feel a bit more sure. the other 2 I feel are scattered between Callix, Igrok, Conversion and Disinformation. Im trying to avoid tunneling like I have been, because I can see that I have been now. I need to reread Calix and Igrok as through tunneling artanis, ruxxar and disinformation I more or less left them by the wayside. Sorrow at Ruxxar's flip, summary disagreeing with Bugs on VE. Rayn, HF, VE, Koshi look decent and should be protected. Still on Artanis. rest are in between Calix (his upgraded to town read read (inconsistent!), Igrok (he defends him repeatedly), Conversion (he town read him???????) and disformation (still seemingly on one post......). These look very incongruent with everything he's said before the flip so I'm not really sure how he gets this list in the slightest! PoE? Needs to reread Calix and iGrok as tunelling 3 scum reads let them slip by (but he town read calix?). + Show Spoiler + On May 23 2019 07:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Bugs. I will fully agree that my first major read on Artanis was after he tunnel dove me and said shit I know is wrong. Your reason for why i was super pissed is right though. I gave him a pass, got shat on by him for giving him that pass, had my filter misinterpreted and shit made up. So I will fully admit I got pissed and tunneled on him. Now. Do I still think hes mafia? yes, but hes currently the only read I had that I am committed to. That is also concentrating mainly on the last 24ish hours as well. Defends VE some more, wants to policy shoot bugs for claiming mafia. Koshi dislike. Afk's rest of night - not really any new info this whole night and bit of an inconsistent who to scum read post. Overall not awful but nothing special. Just existing. D2 Reads + Show Spoiler + On May 23 2019 19:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Well, be it vet or Jailer, good work last night. It almost makes up for our screw up D1. Now let us learn from our mistakes and get this lynch right. TBH Based on yesterdays escapades the current people to start the day looking at to lynch. Myself Calix Igrok Artanis Possibly add in Disinformation/Conversation. However as much as I know I am town, there is enough suspicion that we need to sort me out as well as the other 3. We have all been accused / still being accused of being mafia so as much as you all have your other reads. (please do share them clearly) Consolidation on a lynch priority barring some new pressing information everyone should be weighing in on this group. If nothing else it forces everyone to hard stance enough and prevents people from waffling or "appearing" and not actually providing substance. I think we can all agree on this? I hope so at least. I have posted my reasons already on Artanis. Even with everything that has happened and taking a step back I can still see him bleeding red. Callix I could see flipping red, however I havent been able to keep a stable read on her all game. I saw her as red based purely on her opening post. There are other posts that reinforce that decision but at the same time there are a ton that I see being made specifically from the mindset from someone who is town. Given that my biggest reason for ever seeing her as scum was basically the same reason I saw ruxxar as scum I would say she is a lower priority to kill than the me/igrok/artanis group. Igrok. I really haven't spent much time on him. Going to go do that now, but I will honestly say based on everything I can currently remember from day 1. The worst thing he did was the weird association between HF/Ruxxar/Calix? List of Calix/Himself??/iGrok/Artanis Possibly add disformation/conversion N1 reads: Artanis/Calix/igrok/disformation/conversion Then he votes Artanis, defends iGrok again. I really don't understand the read because it doesn't look like that at all, static Calix/HF is mafia read not being updated all game. But then he links to posts which make him feel that way and it feels internally consistent for BC to make this read, so no hate for it. Gets into some argument with Calix which I don't hate, seems irrelevant though and about game styles. Backs up his Artanis post. Asks disfo why he town reads artanis for case on bc which is consistent with BC hating it (obviously). Asked who if not artanis to vote for then said Calix but not 100%, may just dislike her style. Says iGrok probably town. Links meta to Artanis saying that he's totally different and that Artanis was even an observer in the game. Says he wouldn't shoot Koshi. At this point I'm really bored. If you're reading this part please post a "hello hf" in the thread so I know you're actually reading and you can get a free town read! Doesn't dislike iGrok case. Explains thread hostility with working together. + Show Spoiler + On May 25 2019 20:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote: 1. To BC: do you agree with the case on iGrok? I see some merit in it, but I also feel like its somewhat fabricated. Everything of Igrok I see comes off as townish for the most part. My biggest issue is that Koshi is hard town reading him. 2. To both of you: can you again provide a list of all your reads? Town BC Bugs VE(i know right) Null to lean town HF Rayn Igrok Jock Null to Lean Mafia Koshi Conversion Mafia Artanis Calix Disinformation I Not inconsistent. Starts to dislike disformation for being himself. TL;DR D1 - really inconsistent Jock reads inconsistent - lies? Ever since Artanis read to latch onto internally consistent logic and reads, not awful looking Don't hate his iGrok defences retrospectively because they appear to point out not awful things - looked bad at time in context of thread to me Post D1 flip has done not much but shows thinking about the game, calm cool and collected, trying to get info on people and disformation. Seems to just be responding rather than digging sometimes but lack of presence can do that. Conclusion: fucking wasted my time writing this wall and he's probably town Feel free to make your own conclusions on his jock stances and first part of d1 reads meta consistent with town game too probably ah yeah I think we just lost BC don't let me down here, make sure HF untunnels you properly. HF empathy bro. It heals all wounds | ||
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On May 26 2019 01:47 Calix wrote: Artanis: Came into game thread, looked into players, posed questions to scum-reads, gets to the point and actually plays the game despite being short of time instead of whining. iGrok: Talked about how he played, had loads of null reads he did not look into, only has two scum-reads where one of them is his counter-wagon, many posts where he shitposts or does nothing despite complaining about spam, etc. Town: OMG this game is so hard. How can we POSSIBLY choose between these two? If you want evidence that this 'choice' literally could not be easier, just look at Page 6 of iGrok's filter. That has pretty much every D2 post he's made so far. help me lynch Koshi & rayn & VE tomorrow, tell me who you think is best to up first for death. You're also going to need to help me and HF mend our reads because HF is about to go off on BC and that will lose us the game | ||
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On May 26 2019 02:02 Holyflare wrote: Somebody didn't read the post. yep I just saw wall of text and thought oh FUUUUCK HF is scumming BC | ||
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I also don't believe you are dumb enough to either 1.) as town post a VT claim before checking your role PM because in the off-chance you do indeed roll a PR it will weaken your claim later or 2.) check your role PM, see that you are a PR and decide you still want to make a troll post claiming vanilla town. | ||
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On May 26 2019 02:14 wherebugsgo wrote: rayn I don't understand why you would ever ever ever ever claim VT into PC 17 hours into day 1 in a game where the day cycle is 72 hours, as town, when most of the votes were clearly pressure. I also don't believe you are dumb enough to either 1.) as town post a VT claim before checking your role PM because in the off-chance you do indeed roll a PR it will weaken your claim later or 2.) check your role PM, see that you are a PR and decide you still want to make a troll post claiming vanilla town. like this is playing against your win-con if you're town. You operate on logic. This logic should get you killed and honestly I don't see why you would disagree with me here. We need to kill you. | ||
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On May 26 2019 02:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: I did it because i like to cut off shit immediately. Also if i live on D3 i am doing something wrong. cool. I'm going to lynch you for being alive d3. | ||
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On May 26 2019 02:08 Calix wrote: Do you not think iGrok is mafia then? And that the team is Koshi/ rayn/ VE? I'd want rayn dead tomorrow but I am curious as to what 'bomb' you're planning on dropping N2. Also I'm planning on using N2 to filter VE and nothing else. The more time goes by, the more I find it scummy to have someone who is so malleable and who still doesn't seem to have strong stances on the game. Honest to God can't remember what his reads are at all. Like I get adding qualifiers to your reads or not being 100% sure [although he's shading me for acknowledging my reads may not be based on accurate information, lol]. And I also get being malleable/ sheepy on D1 because nothing's set in stone then. But his attitude is getting harder and harder to believe as the game progresses. If you want to save yourself some pain of filtering VE, just filter me for my several posts on him. You can come to your own conclusions on whether I'm tunneled or if my logic is sound. | ||
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On May 26 2019 02:27 VisceraEyes wrote: I actually went back and read the whole thing, and I've fixed it for you. I edited out everything that was meaningless and left the only things that mattered at all in your post. I edited out a LOT of words son, and you are ignoring a LOT of effort I put in today and if the bolded is true, then I'm taking this as a mafia claim from you. You'd better motherfucking kill me. effort ain't townie bro, not with a player as good as you. You understand though. You'd be creaming your pants just like me if you caught me red handed fingering the cookie jar. | ||
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On May 26 2019 02:08 Calix wrote: Do you not think iGrok is mafia then? And that the team is Koshi/ rayn/ VE? I'd want rayn dead tomorrow but I am curious as to what 'bomb' you're planning on dropping N2. Also I'm planning on using N2 to filter VE and nothing else. The more time goes by, the more I find it scummy to have someone who is so malleable and who still doesn't seem to have strong stances on the game. Honest to God can't remember what his reads are at all. Like I get adding qualifiers to your reads or not being 100% sure [although he's shading me for acknowledging my reads may not be based on accurate information, lol]. And I also get being malleable/ sheepy on D1 because nothing's set in stone then. But his attitude is getting harder and harder to believe as the game progresses. Nah I'm steadily feeling less mafia on iGrok as we pass. I think it is still optimal to lynch the fucker as long as he's afk because sometimes lynching a townie that another townie is tunneled on is the best way to get the tunneler to reevaluate. I put myself in HF's shoes and I think our confidence levels on iGrok have sort of merged on thread sentiment (well really I'm the one constantly saying iGrok is town really, in HF's ear) while HF in private is stamping his feet and insisting iGrok is scum for his own reasons. But hey, this is a team game so w/e. you better be curious about my bomb but honestly I think it won't be a slam dunk. Unless iGrok flips the exact role I think he's about to flip in which case I'm a breadcrumb god. | ||
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On May 26 2019 02:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like i very literally explained it and people scumread me for it because ???????? ah but you can't explain it though can you like I just pointed out a contradiction that is literally impossible for you to refute. You cannot simultaneously play to your town win condition and make that VT into PC claim. It is literally impossible. | ||
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On May 26 2019 02:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Dear god... I'm sure you're smart enough to tell me why you and iGrok are opposite alignments here | ||
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On May 26 2019 02:40 Holyflare wrote: lol ok VE is mafia finally | ||
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