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On May 25 2019 08:12 disformation wrote:ugh look at the two koshi posts before that. like right before that: Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 06:00 Koshi wrote:
If there is a jailor I am dead. You know that right? My play is what? Kill myself over what exactly?
It would be me and I guess iGrok after.
Why?
I did this to progress some people their reads and because there is a chance I will die tonight. And the shot is info for this lynch. Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 06:01 Koshi wrote:
Of there is another veteran same shit. Like I would know who that is. And then kill me for a 1v1?
Bah. Come on. Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 06:02 Koshi wrote:
You should use the info I was shot for at least 1 lynch. Real veteran or jailor will claim after night for sure. so context says he is talking about a world where he is _not_ vet and fakeclaiming?
Real veteran or jailor will claim after night for sure
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Uh no, ONLY the veteran would. The Jailor would 100% unequivocally NEVER claim after saving someone because claiming NEVER FINDS MAFIA THERE.
Even town Koshi is not stupid enough to seriously insinuate this and he just literally said that.
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On May 25 2019 08:16 disformation wrote:
liek first quote:
if i was fakeclaiming and there was a jailer
2nd:
or if there is a real vet
3rd:
use the info of me being shot for this lynch. if i was fake the real one will claim after next night anyways.
should be right, right koshi?
Use your brain.
After a night flip with no dead townie, the optimal veteran play is to claim instantly. Why? Because only town doesn’t know who the veteran is, because mafia already know who they shot and if you’re a veteran you no longer have a good reason to hide your role after seeing the flip.
A jailor has 0 reason to claim right after night like Koshi is falsely making equivalent with veteran, because a jailor would have saved a townread. Why the fuck would the JK out themselves after a successful save on night phase (so that mafia can hit/RB them for free the next night??) when they saved a townread and have ZERO INFORMATION on who could be scum???
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On May 25 2019 08:23 Holyflare wrote:
I will never ever believe Koshi is mafia here in this situation and no amount of saying it's obvious will make any of us believe it. He will get shot tonight and then it is obvious isn't it? Just let it resolve itself and speak nothing more of it.
fine, this is actually a really fair point.
I think if there is a jailor here though they should not target Koshi.
If Koshi is scum, they can cause a jailor to out themselves by telling the jailor to target Koshi and then having Koshi carry the KP, ensuring another no kill and ensuring the jailor would then claim on behalf of saving Koshi. If that happens we basically insta-lose.
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On May 25 2019 08:28 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 08:27 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 25 2019 08:23 Holyflare wrote:
I will never ever believe Koshi is mafia here in this situation and no amount of saying it's obvious will make any of us believe it. He will get shot tonight and then it is obvious isn't it? Just let it resolve itself and speak nothing more of it. fine, this is actually a really fair point. I think if there is a jailor here though they should not target Koshi. If Koshi is scum, they can cause a jailor to out themselves by telling the jailor to target Koshi and then having Koshi carry the KP, ensuring another no kill and ensuring the jailor would then claim on behalf of saving Koshi. If that happens we basically insta-lose. That is a good scenario to happen because then we've stopped 2 mafia kp??? Jailor doesn't have to claim.
Sure, but someone would “confirm” scum Koshi as town eventually unless they never claim, and I think regardless of stopping 2 KP we’d never lynch Koshi and the diff is that scum trade a cycle for getting a scum into confirmed town.
Like if I’m misinterpreting Koshi and he meant jailor claims after the next night, he literally just said that he thinks they should do that.
Also rayn never backtracked his PC claim so if there is a jailor and any other blue, there is essentially guaranteed to be a fake claim in the mix on balance consideration.
Like imagine:
Parity cop
Veteran
(Jailor)
(Other blue)
^ one of the first two is scum, more likely veteran than anything else.
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On May 25 2019 08:30 Holyflare wrote:
Why are you jumping to mafia koshi making the really really suboptimal play of losing 2kp and highlighting himself as obvious mafia if it goes wrong rather than the much more simple version that he's the vet?
Because I also have TMI.
I’ll let you figure it out. If you can’t, then just lynch me tomorrow.
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btw I actually legitly keep forgetting that rayn did not backtrack his PC claim because he sort of half pretended it was fake on d1.
So he’s way less likely to be scum than VE & Koshi IMO so either the last one is iGrok or you.
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I guess it could be Artanis or BC here as well but I TR them both.
Anyway. Doesn’t matter. We kill iGrok.
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I think I’m afk till both flips are done cause I have nothing to add that hasn’t already been said in my filter, and I do not see any reason for me to re-evaluate my reads until flip.
1. Optimal lynch today is iGrok because none of the claim business has anything to do with his alignment. The most evidence points to him being scum over any other player.
2. I gut TR Artanis and BC and am looking forward to seeing their posts. My reads might evolve there but I have already posed them both questions and am just waiting. Not sure if I’ll bother interacting with them cause I have a strong preference to passively watch now as I’m feeling 100% more confident about the game and have lost my tilt after changing my posting style
3. HF is right about Koshi’s claim resolving itself eventually and I’m not worried about it even though my gut and the evidence so far says he is scum here. Plus the situation I mentioned to insert Koshi into “confirmed” town does require scum to delay the game yet another half cycle which is great for us.
4. My stance and reasons for VE being scum are clear and restating them more is not useful when every time I mention them VE responds by burying my post instead of actually contributing anything useful. You all can come to your own conclusion on VE this game without my help as it is not my sole responsibility to get him lynched.
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On May 25 2019 20:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
put yourself in his shoes dude. I know you are trying to get him to help, but to do that (he can correct me here) you have to do more than try to engage with just him. And be open to a true engagement. I would like to believe you are willing to do that, but this game seems otherwise. Like, bugs, me, HF, you, koshi, etc...
We are all guilty of tunneling and being stubborn. Want him to open up? filter dive him, give your take on the case and ask for clarification, etc...
Asking someone general questions that exist in a filter arent going to work =\
hey, I posed a couple questions to you earlier today at #3533, would appreciate if you take a look 
I think we're actually quite close to solving the game. I should have something right at the end of n2 which you should watch out for. I want you to reach your own conclusions before I spill my beans on you though. Also that sounds gross but be prepared for that to happen after I get your responses.
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On May 25 2019 20:20 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 20:15 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 25 2019 20:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
put yourself in his shoes dude. I know you are trying to get him to help, but to do that (he can correct me here) you have to do more than try to engage with just him. And be open to a true engagement. I would like to believe you are willing to do that, but this game seems otherwise. Like, bugs, me, HF, you, koshi, etc...
We are all guilty of tunneling and being stubborn. Want him to open up? filter dive him, give your take on the case and ask for clarification, etc...
Asking someone general questions that exist in a filter arent going to work =\ Well clearly you aren't reading our interaction or you wouldn't have posted this. Anyway thanks for trying to mansplain rayn to me BC <3 ill claim that as revenge for you trying to mansplain how to use ctrl+f in someones filter... Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 20:16 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2019 20:04 disformation wrote:On May 25 2019 19:57 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2019 19:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well you will not have my vote becaus Calix and Conversion are mafia and i don't know who the third one is. Conversion plays really good if he is mafia. Consistent and smart posts. I think he is like 10% mafia tops though. Very tops. I dont see it. think there was a weird interaction conv and calix had. rayn had a good post on it. was kinda like calix: conv what is your read on x. conv: super non commital stuff on x. and then nothing happens. think rayn explains it in here: On May 24 2019 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:VE: On May 22 2019 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
here is what conversion did last night:
iGrok has his stupid (sorry man it was stupid) propositional calculus case.
Conv says he has read iGrok's post, and says he will go read HF and Calix
Instead of reading HF and Calix he takes part into "proving" iGrok's "case"
Then he ends up reading ruxxar and votes for him. On May 22 2019 23:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not honestly too interested in Artanis atm, Calix and then probably Conversion need to die, then figure out which one of BC/Artanis/iGrok is mafia. On May 23 2019 23:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2019 22:55 Conversion wrote:
I also did not call VE mafia, not sure where you're getting that from. I was specifically responding to Calix asking me about the VE/Artanis/BC/Calix stuff, and I was saying that if there was mafia in the 4, I can narrow it to three because I believe Calix is town.
I got it from this post: On May 23 2019 22:36 Conversion wrote:On May 23 2019 22:29 Calix wrote:
I also agree that Conversion's post reads as extremely townie for his frustration over his efforts largely being ignored...as opposed to him being okay that most people don't really care about him. The latter IS an ideal situation for mafia, after all.
Don't think it's helpful to discuss this 'game' or whatever though. Conversion, have disformation/ Koshi done anything to change your reads of them? And what do you make of the whole BC/ VE/ Calix/ Artanis situation? [...] On the opinion on BC/VE/Calix/Artanis, I'm inclined to believe there is scum in there. If I'm going by my current reads (I honestly think you are town, not sure where this Calix mafia stuff is coming from), it'd be BC/VE/Artanis, so they'll be my focus today. Because your answer is very subtle. If you don't think one or more of those people are mafia, then idk why you word your post like this. I mean: Calix: what do you make of the whole BC/ VE/ Calix/ Artanis situation? Conv: I'm inclined to believe there is scum in there. If I'm going by my current reads it'd be BC/VE/Artanis. I dont think this looks natural at all, regardless of what you think about Calix. On May 23 2019 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
reiteratating:
she asks you for reads
you say basically nothing
everyone lives happily ever after On May 23 2019 22:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2019 22:15 Conversion wrote:On May 23 2019 21:00 Holyflare wrote:On May 23 2019 18:49 Koshi wrote:
Can somebody explain to me why the thread now thibks conversion is mafia? I saw rayn put it in the thread and after that he dropped on both HF and VE townlist by more than he should. I don't think he's dropped through actions really, just by poe and the fact I've not entirely liked what he's been up to. He has no focus on me which is something I think he'd be doing as town (afraid as mafia maybe? Bit of a stretch) and he's kind of in a weird tangential place not playing the same game as other people. I'm just gonna address this here and now, whether that's for you or anyone else: I am ignoring everyone that doesn't do anything memorable to me, and I'm spending like the maximum that I can on this game without going insane, because in the past when I tried my hardest I'd just get flamed and that usually devolved into shitfights with people. It almost happened with Jock this game (sorry for being a flamer Jock!). also doesn't help that when I case something people barely have opinions on it and don't engage me. They just tell me I'm doing well, or that I'm wrong, and that's it. I'm not going to flame people to get my opinions heard, and if people aren't going to engage me on shit (especially when I thought I made two good cases and there was like 3 responses to it), it just demotivates me from my game. In fact, the only one who really engaged me this entire game are like Bugs, Calix, and Jock-- which is why I'm inclined to believe they are town rather than every one speaking around me like I don't exist tl;dr I don't want to play like I normally do (flaming everyone that scumreads me, flaming my scumreads, modkilling myself because I'm pissed off), but damn is it demotivating to have people just speak around you I tried reading your case on Koshi but i stopped because i felt like it didn't really go anywhere. Can you summarize some key points in it if you want to be listened? It's not like mafia slips in every post of theirs and i dont really understand why you focus so much on his meta when i think his meta this game clearly says he is town. I also have no idea why you participated that dumb iGrok thing D1. It was dumb and i think you should know that. I also don't know why you scumread VE because regardless of what VE ever wrote or what you wrote on him he is like Conversion just 5 years earlier and i think you should recognize same town!attributes (that i agree are not uselful but most people still do them) you just described you don't want to get into yourself in this game. On May 24 2019 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:At least i didn't read your iGrok case HF. I am sure it is logically sound and can be even good, i just dont believe iGrok does what he did as mafia by eod1. Assuming you're town (you probably should do that if you are town) and knowing ruxxar is town there is simply no reason why he should make a stupid propositional calculus "testimony" about HF/ruxxar/Calix, one that is even wrong lol when he can just take a stance between those three players (or rather Calix/ruxxar) and vote for a townie. I say vote for a townie because in my eyes iGrok did that as scum ONLY in case calix is mafia, it's the only scenario that makes sense (even if you were mafia with iGrok it doesn't make sense to me) and in my opinion it definitely shouldn't make sense to you otherwise. I still hate that Conversion participated in that shit and i think it makes him mafia. In addition to what i have said about calix is this: On May 24 2019 06:44 Calix wrote:
IMO rayn was posting a lot of bullshit. Like the meta thing which literally does not make me anything but which is the basis for his SUPER STRONG scum read, lmao. Or his interactions with Conversion where he somehow missed me saying 'look forward to seeing what you come up with, Conversion' to push a terrible Calix/ Conversion team.
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I'm not gonna go ham on rayn though. It doesn't make sense to kill him today given how the chat's been going and there are better mafia to murder. I don't believe this is what town!Calix does if she is quite certain i am mafia. I also have no idea what the last sentence even is lol... I dont know what Artanis is, could be mafia could be town. I like this summary. think you had a post where you implied calix asks a lot of questions but doesnt do a lot of conclusiosn/follow ups on that? do you have more examples? from the top of my head the only time that happened was the stuff with conv. thats also why i want to check her filter tbh. anyways... still need to do groceries. see you guys in like 30
If you want to see real lack of followups and some other pretty scummy shit, check these out which I've consistently noted since d1:
+ Show Spoiler +#437 in which player A + Show Spoiler + asks Player B + Show Spoiler + at least one direct question. Player B never answers. Player A never follows up. Unexplained 100% mutual townread. Neither player ever elucidates why they townread the other. #641, #650 promises lynch targets and never gives any or commits to anything. Here's an overview of the vote moves, literally none of them are VE's own reads: + Show Spoiler +On May 22 2019 08:54 Grackaroni wrote:
Day One Vote Count
RuXxar (4): Wherebugsgo, BloodyC0bbler , Disformation, Wherebugsgo, VisceraEyes, Disformation, Calix
Calix (2): RuXxar, Raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Koshi, VisceraEyes, Raynpelikoneet, VisceraEyes, Artanis[Xp], Holyflare, iGrok
BloodyC0bbler(1): Artanis[Xp], Disformation
iGrok (1): VisceraEyes , Holyflare, Holyflare, VisceraEyes, Calix
Raynpelikoneet (1): Holyflare, Wherebugsgo, Jockmcplop, Calix, Calix, Jockmcplop
Holyflare (1): Conversion , ruxxar
Koshi(1): Conversion
Artanis[Xp](1): BloodyC0bbler
VisceraEyes (0):BloodyC0bbler
Jockmcplop (0): Raynpelikoneet, VisceraEyes, Holyflare
Disformation (0): Conversion, Wherebugsgo
Wherebugsgo (0): Artanis[Xp] , VisceraEyes, Koshi
conversion(0): Jockmcplop, Calix
Not voting (1): iGrok
RuXxar is currently set to be lynched.
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Wednesday, May 22 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
response to me, read is a correct townread which is not alignment indicative, but the reasons are all factually wrong and easily refuted. Such a strong disagreement about a read would ordinarily also be accompanied with questions from town-VE to me if he town-read me here but there are none. Follows a very consistent pattern of VE only commenting on requests when there is an opportunity to reduce the confidence of the player making the request with throwaway reasons. Typically okay in small amounts but sheer volume and variety of these posts this game on all sorts of players (with basically no discernible pattern between the players) indicates scum with TMI #875 says he is definitely sure about HF being wrong about some of his townreads, all of which were mentioned explicitly by HF in the immediately preceding post. Doesn't actually say which ones he disagrees with specifically or why. Posts several times following up, only attacking HF for not town reading him harder before yelling for rayn (the only player in this game besides Koshi that VE actively looks for in order to buddy). Also denies being reactionary/accusatory in #878 even though he had done it at that point to myself, BC, HF, and Jock, probably all townies. Also spins "aggro" to mean "called mafia" in #879 when a good-faith read on face value does not imply that #898 buddies Koshi and asks him a question about Calix indicating a doubt of the scumread, even though he acknowledges the thread (and implying he recognizes why) has moved to suspect Calix at #431. #617 gets Calix sentiment AND votes wrong, just one of the many indications that VE is not reading at all this game. Votes are also really really easy to verify. #969 accuses me of "narrative building" even though we're on opposite ends for two players (ruxxar and disfo, me scum on ruxxar, him scum on disfo) but VE never scumread disfo prior this post and never actually provides concrete reasons why. Also, this seems like literally one of VE's only scumreads he's made himself, but recall from the final vote tally that he never voted disfo.973 further shade on my reads from 969 but again doesn't try to actually resolve the disagreement. and finally the hammer: #1150 and #1151 mischaracterizes my ask for consolidation on ruxxar, disfo & calix as requiring sheeping (it would just require VE to vote any scumreads he has in those 3 players, like disfo...). From above and from my reply on #973 you can see I immediately call him out for calling disfo scum but then shading me for asking him to consolidate on ruxxar & disfo. Why wouldn't he vote disfo if he scumread him here?On Calix, #1164: "I didn't ninja vote necessarily. That implies that I never said anything about her."-> technically true but also whatever read VE had on Calix was extremely unclear and the vote reason was not explained until explicitly called out. Let's rewind to the beginning. Progression: #255 "sounds like you want to lynch townies" -> read: scum? or because just doesn't like the feels = null? #431 not clear but acknowledges thread sentiment against Calix #617 "missed" case on Calix, thought both me and BC voting without reasoning, suggests he has no read or even a townread because he misunderstands? #628 "What is the certaintude around Calix about? What I remember of Calix didn't seem damning, I haven't filtered tho. And I at least DO remember some posts, like Calix here at least right?" again suggests no read or a townread #728 "Things only town say" -> town now? #898 "Koshi that vote for real? She came at me" -> pretty for sure town #905 "idk" Ends on "idk" and no mention of Calix again nor indication of vote until 1157. Defends self at #1165 by quoting the above "idk" waffle from #905.
Cool. I can probably keep going but this is about the amount of effort I'm willing to put in when at least two of the three stooges are about to bury this post with 0 rebuttals as they have been doing for a while.
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Hi.
I'm going to bring town together.
My townreads from strongest to weakest are:
Jock
conversion
HF
Calix
disformation
BC
Artanis
My scumreads from strongest to weakest:
VE
iGrok
Koshi
rayn
Lynch in this list and we win.
I will have perfect explanations for why we should not trust either of rayn nor Koshi's claims at the end of N2. These are literally the only reasons to townread either player, and we can afford to lynch them later.
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btw I might be the only player other than HF to have noticed that rayn made his response to conversion about fake claiming PC almost deliberately ambiguous. It's a great copout if he actually gets CCed there.
I think it's also amazing that rayn, with an un-CCed parity cop claim from day 1, proceeded to be the paragon of towniness by tunneling the absolute fuck out of Jock, into tunneling Calix, into basically shitting on every townread I have (he even made HF apologize for letting the thread go to shit?? mostly on the back of rayn, Koshi, and VE who mysteriously all read each other town with literally 0 reasons and 0 progressions, and who all throw suspicions on basically every read that every other player posts that isn't Calix or in Koshi's random ass 6 player list in which he couldn't remember if he had iGrok or not like five different times)
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On May 25 2019 21:20 wherebugsgo wrote:
btw I might be the only player other than HF to have noticed that rayn made his response to conversion about fake claiming PC almost deliberately ambiguous. It's a great copout if he actually gets CCed there.
I think it's also amazing that rayn, with an un-CCed parity cop claim from day 1, proceeded to be the paragon of towniness by tunneling the absolute fuck out of Jock, into tunneling Calix, into basically shitting on every townread I have (he even made HF apologize for letting the thread go to shit?? mostly on the back of rayn, Koshi, and VE who mysteriously all read each other town with literally 0 reasons and 0 progressions, and who all throw suspicions on basically every read that every other player posts that isn't Calix or in Koshi's random ass 6 player list in which he couldn't remember if he had iGrok or not like five different times)
and yes, I totally made that pun on purpose.
HF get in here and agree with my townreads list because you know you want to. Also start believing me on the claims because I doubt rayn or koshi are flipping town here.
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On May 25 2019 21:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
WBG, can you explain your townread on Calix? I'm sure it's in your filter but I've got enough to read as is.
We share an incredibly similar take on the game when I am ignoring thread sentiment. I also have an incredibly strong tonal read on Calix and I am deliberately ignoring the amount of time she spends defending herself because she has been blackballed harder than almost anyone in this game with the possible exception of myself. Like literally Koshi and Rayn have been baying for her head for probably 40+ pages of this game with literally no cited reasons besides the VERY FIRST POST IN THE GAME.
Like rayn openly admits his entire reason for calling Calix scum is the first post. Why the fuck would anyone trust rayn on this when he did the exact same thing to Jock and there have been loads of opportunities to reevaluate on Calix ever since?
Calix is in the very elite few players I've directly witnessed following up on previous reads or statements in this game. Examples:
On May 21 2019 22:36 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 22:35 disformation wrote:
yeah not sure if he was "pretending" to be you or bugs.
since he was like "Guis I think Calix is mafia." I was thinking bugs. Anyway do you think rayn is mafia or not? Pretty sure you did not answer my question the first time ^^
example post I tone read as town:
On May 22 2019 03:05 Calix wrote:
Why do you people keep hopping between lynches while always avoiding the obvious scum in front of you?
First Jock, then me, and now possibly iGrok?
Come on.
Then again, I have 4 votes. Meaning that even if the ENTIRE mafia team is on my arse, at least one townie looked at the ""case"" against me and the CONVINCING 'lynch Calix' posts put forth by rayn/ Koshi/ VE and concluded "yes, this is a great D1 vote".
But I'm more annoyed with the people dicking around and letting this happen.
and again:
On May 22 2019 03:07 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 03:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yeah yeah mafia people rayn/ve/koshi are killing you, find a new song? I didn't call all of you mafia. Learn to read.
It helps that in this case no matter how many scum she actually thinks are on her, her mafia reads align well with mine based on this (because I've been reading VE as scum almost all game and no one agrees with me. It's actually driving me nuts how much people are refusing to read him and how much slack they're giving him when he has basically shut down constructive discussion every single time he's entered the thread, with 34 PAGES OF FILTER.) Like I would love if anyone can point out a single positive point, proactive question/followup or probe on a disagreement that VE has had with any player except Koshi/Rayn, and to what degree that aligns with his scum reads because I just don't see it.
Lastly, Calix is really transparent in the face of overwhelming pressure. Like I've literally never seen anyone keep their cool this much and I have to give serious props because there is no way I could do the same thing in her place.
On May 22 2019 04:20 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 04:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 22 2019 04:05 Holyflare wrote:
This game is very confusing. I feel like every time I accuse somebody of something it's like trying to ram a jigsaw piece that doesn't quite fit. That usually means one of the people that are town read by lots of people is playing well. There are a few outliers though. I think Artanis just posts really agreeable things and decides to leave each time so he doesn't draw attention to himself. I think iGrok basically just sheeped consensus and couldn't be fucked to expand on his read on me.
Wait what? I'm posting just agreeable things? That's garbage. I was the first on WBG's case, first on BC, and have had unpopular opinions pretty much the entire game. The first time I'm joining thread sentiment is on Calix, which I disagreed on with people scumreading her on her first post already. As for 'convenient timings', it's whatever work allows me, and limited by 2 hours a day which I've already mentioned. @Calix On May 22 2019 02:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
There's a bunch of things I dislike about Calix and then some I like.
Dislike: Saying Koshi is lying about his read on her but not calling him out, sudden focus on Rayn again after being on Conversion for a while for seemingly no reason when she stated that she doesn't think Koshi/Rayn can be scum together and clearly indicated a strong suspicion of Koshi. The tinfoil she had on Rayn/VE was bad too, and I didn't like how unfocused she was for large parts of the game.
But then she started honing down on Rayn recently. She got the wagon started and I'm not sure if that's a play she would make as mafia. Rayn is notoriously hard to lynch and a significant number of people seemed on board with Conversion. It'd only make sense if she's scum with Conversion to me. It feels like she really believes in that lynch.
The biggest question I have is what changed, Calix? Why are you suddenly so gung-ho on Rayn again after switching your focus halfway through the day? Can you reply to the last bit? To answer this and your other question [the one about 'what made me town-read rayn?'], here's what I remember about how it went. After pressuring rayn...I actually don't recall town-reading him at all. Pretty sure I just forgot about him because he disappeared for a while. Then when I was attacking Koshi, rayn appeared. I was reminded of how scummy rayn was because all his posts were, in my opinion, pushing mafia agenda. And if you need more elaboration then read my filter because I've repeated myself a lot at this point. ANYWAY but then I was like "don't think these two are on a team together" and concluded rayn was scummier than Koshi, therefore Koshi...had...to be town? So yeah.
This is again a follow up (to you) and transparently lays out her thoughts.
She's also one of maybe only three or four players who I have seen actively care about the complete shite state this thread is in and try to improve it. Here's an example:
On May 22 2019 08:43 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 08:41 disformation wrote:
i feel mostly tired and would be happy for you two to cooperate for a second.
for the most part bugs seems reasonable and ruxxar def. did do jack today despite being around-ish.
slightly bad gut feeling about grok as mentioned earlier, but i also wont be super sad if we end up voting him.
would like bc more but that is not happening so i am willing to cooperate and not fucking off Yeah could you two stop bickering please? We're not killing you two today so it's wasting precious time since we're still unsure who to lynch as a whole, lol. Just focus on lynch candidates, kk?
Regardless, Calix's play is criminally underrated in this game if she is town and if she is mafia I will probably consider her the best mafia to have ever played because I just don't see how she can be.
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I believe all of disformation, Artanis, and BC are spending too much time attacking other townies and not looking at the scum 3 stooges who have literally been shitting in your mouths all game.
Please, stop attacking each other + Calix and turn your eyes on VE, Koshi, and rayn. You need to fucking open your eyes on the cesspool that is all of their filters because they have the three biggest filters in the entire game, with 80% of their interactions being what I'd classify as "negative" basically exclusively with my strongest townreads, and the rest of their interactions with each other.
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Read the last few posts in my filter, sheep me, and cruise to victory.
I will again announce that I will have extremely damning reasons for why Koshi and rayn's claims are completely unbelievable at the end of N2. Please await my announcement. If I die before I can make it because I'm a retard and don't time the post correctly, just trust me that I will play to my win condition at the risk of my own life as a townie. However, I seriously doubt scum have the balls to shoot me here because they want the satisfaction of a challenge by attempting to lynch me. Their egos are only matched by mine.
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On May 25 2019 21:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 07:55 wherebugsgo wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Mobile posting so sorry formatting sucks
My god what happened
Things somehow got like 5x worse??
I agree with the takes that this game sucks and there is some missing piece here. I just reread all the back and Firth’s and came to the conclusion that mafia are probably not present at all, or if they are, they end up being semi-participatory because no one has any clue who will be suspected next. I waffled on Artanis quite a bit and found BC’s OMGUS strange even.
With the jock business, I agree with Calix basically 99% that it was an inconsistency but not worth lynching Jock over given the amount of evidence we have for Jock. I actually find rayn’s push an absolutely terrible way to play and I wanted to quit and quit on behalf of Jock because the logic is just so bad. However it fits to a tee with what rayn did last game to me-he just picked one random thing which was me not explaining some read (which I did, like 5000 fucking times) and then harping on that to eternity, forcing me to just ignore him otherwise the thread would blow up. The only issue is that rayn has disappeared since then and seems mostly non-participatory in finding other scum-he just found some weird reasons to continue townreading ruxxar. idk though, he’s probably townier than scum just on the jock basis alone.
Here are the characters that stood out:
VE “looks” better but he doesn’t seem to be contributing much in terms of original opinions, just looking to see where people will jump. I fully expect town VE to actually take some concrete stances and try to clear up some of the problems and I’m not seeing enough of that here ruxxar is completely absent and rayn defending him on jubjub grounds. This is the perfect scenario for mafia-having said some things that could easily be identified with perfect info (like if BC-Artanis is TvT and BC reacts really strongly it’s one of the easiest things ever to highlight the “weirdness” of BC’s reaction and then fuck off and never follow up on it which is exactly what ruxxar did. Rayn highlighting this as evidence that ruxxar is town like two IRL days after it happened is just moronic when ruxxar has just completely fucked off) + Show Spoiler +Conversion is also mostly completely absent and despite looking fairly good for the meta he brought up on both disfo and Koshi he is a complete non-factor here. However on past evidence I find him less likely scum so let’s give him a pass.
iGrok I waffle on between looking worse and better, he is around and fighting but a lot of what he is saying doesn’t make sense. The evidence in favour of iGrok that’s getting ignored I think is that he clearly has notes on the game and is struggling to keep up. He had posts he could cite that he wanted a second look at, and did actually follow up to some degree. That’s not typical lazy-scum behaviour, I think. Given that we can take for granted he’s struggling with the thread the not making sense part might not be alignment indicative.
So who I’d be willing to kill, scummiest to least scummy:
ruxxar, still, because everyone has just fucking ignored him and he’s sitting pretty. He never answered HF’s questions and actually even came back to comment on Jock SO HE’S CLEARLY READING THE THREAD
VE, because he somehow managed to be present and still completely useless. I actually do think a lot of his posting is being done to be deliberately misleading and he could be the active scum here
Of the rest of the players I’m still unsure because rayn is moving around in my list, Koshi is impossible to read, Artanis and BC will probably tunnel each other, and more time will hopefully sort out disfo/conversion further. BTW Jock let’s hydra next game To scumread ruxx, you mentioned the way he went after BC for the 'weirdness' in me vs BC if it was TvT, but Calix and Disfo also went after him, which you seemed to town or at least nullread at the time. What was it about RuX' reply that made you feel his reply was scum motivated, and why did you not scumread anyone else that was on him?
I didn't scumread anyone else that was on ruxxar because no one agreed with me on ruxxar until I moved mountains to lynch him just a few hours before EOD.
The only players I'd consider scum in that situation when we probably waffled on a few townies plus possible scum in iGrok would be, well, iGrok and VE, because they're the only players who didn't have real reasons for voting their scumreads/didn't have any scumreads, and the only players I actually didn't have townreads on. Calix, disfo, and conversion were all around with me and I will chop my own dick off before I consider them scum in this game.
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On May 25 2019 21:42 Holyflare wrote:
You're really transparent lol.
VE already called me out so I'm 100% mafia know why I'm doing this
you know, all that town motivation to fucking publically announce why I might be acting this way
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On May 25 2019 21:43 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 21:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 22 2019 07:55 wherebugsgo wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Mobile posting so sorry formatting sucks
My god what happened
Things somehow got like 5x worse??
I agree with the takes that this game sucks and there is some missing piece here. I just reread all the back and Firth’s and came to the conclusion that mafia are probably not present at all, or if they are, they end up being semi-participatory because no one has any clue who will be suspected next. I waffled on Artanis quite a bit and found BC’s OMGUS strange even.
With the jock business, I agree with Calix basically 99% that it was an inconsistency but not worth lynching Jock over given the amount of evidence we have for Jock. I actually find rayn’s push an absolutely terrible way to play and I wanted to quit and quit on behalf of Jock because the logic is just so bad. However it fits to a tee with what rayn did last game to me-he just picked one random thing which was me not explaining some read (which I did, like 5000 fucking times) and then harping on that to eternity, forcing me to just ignore him otherwise the thread would blow up. The only issue is that rayn has disappeared since then and seems mostly non-participatory in finding other scum-he just found some weird reasons to continue townreading ruxxar. idk though, he’s probably townier than scum just on the jock basis alone.
Here are the characters that stood out:
VE “looks” better but he doesn’t seem to be contributing much in terms of original opinions, just looking to see where people will jump. I fully expect town VE to actually take some concrete stances and try to clear up some of the problems and I’m not seeing enough of that here ruxxar is completely absent and rayn defending him on jubjub grounds. This is the perfect scenario for mafia-having said some things that could easily be identified with perfect info (like if BC-Artanis is TvT and BC reacts really strongly it’s one of the easiest things ever to highlight the “weirdness” of BC’s reaction and then fuck off and never follow up on it which is exactly what ruxxar did. Rayn highlighting this as evidence that ruxxar is town like two IRL days after it happened is just moronic when ruxxar has just completely fucked off) + Show Spoiler +Conversion is also mostly completely absent and despite looking fairly good for the meta he brought up on both disfo and Koshi he is a complete non-factor here. However on past evidence I find him less likely scum so let’s give him a pass.
iGrok I waffle on between looking worse and better, he is around and fighting but a lot of what he is saying doesn’t make sense. The evidence in favour of iGrok that’s getting ignored I think is that he clearly has notes on the game and is struggling to keep up. He had posts he could cite that he wanted a second look at, and did actually follow up to some degree. That’s not typical lazy-scum behaviour, I think. Given that we can take for granted he’s struggling with the thread the not making sense part might not be alignment indicative.
So who I’d be willing to kill, scummiest to least scummy:
ruxxar, still, because everyone has just fucking ignored him and he’s sitting pretty. He never answered HF’s questions and actually even came back to comment on Jock SO HE’S CLEARLY READING THE THREAD
VE, because he somehow managed to be present and still completely useless. I actually do think a lot of his posting is being done to be deliberately misleading and he could be the active scum here
Of the rest of the players I’m still unsure because rayn is moving around in my list, Koshi is impossible to read, Artanis and BC will probably tunnel each other, and more time will hopefully sort out disfo/conversion further. BTW Jock let’s hydra next game To scumread ruxx, you mentioned the way he went after BC for the 'weirdness' in me vs BC if it was TvT, but Calix and Disfo also went after him, which you seemed to town or at least nullread at the time. What was it about RuX' reply that made you feel his reply was scum motivated, and why did you not scumread anyone else that was on him? I didn't scumread anyone else that was on ruxxar because no one agreed with me on ruxxar until I moved mountains to lynch him just a few hours before EOD. The only players I'd consider scum in that situation when we probably waffled on a few townies plus possible scum in iGrok would be, well, iGrok and VE, because they're the only players who didn't have real reasons for voting their scumreads/didn't have any scumreads, and the only players I actually didn't have townreads on. Calix, disfo, and conversion were all around with me and I will chop my own dick off before I consider them scum in this game.
oh and to answer why I scum motivated ruxxar, I mostly thought he was scum because he was clearly around in the thread but he wouldn't respond to simple questions.
HF was also like 9000% sure he'd respond to a direct question HF asked him and he never actually did.
The cherry on top which just made me tunnel him EOD was that he commented on the Jock shenanigans and then slinked off and did absolutely nothing the rest of the day.
I would 100% lynch ruxxar again in that situation and the only people who defended him when I tried to get him lynched were Koshi, VE, and rayn. I hope you're getting the pattern now.
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like if iGrok flips town here, I am pretty convinced that HF on D1 did to iGrok what I did to ruxxar. Neither case was bad on its own merits, and both cases got blackballed by scum and scum only, for terrible/nonexistent/thread incongruent reasons that only scum would use because they have TMI.
BTW iGrok you really need to pull it out here if you are town because now that I have the ability to read your images from a computer and not a phone I really like many of your written notes. I want you to provide your thoughts on my cases before you die so that if you do flip town I can at least get opinions on the game from someone who is confirmed and not named Jock. (sorry Jock I love you but I need some variety yaknowwhatimsayin)
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