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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
May 23 2019 13:50 GMT
#2618
On May 23 2019 22:15 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2019 21:00 Holyflare wrote:
On May 23 2019 18:49 Koshi wrote:
Can somebody explain to me why the thread now thibks conversion is mafia? I saw rayn put it in the thread and after that he dropped on both HF and VE townlist by more than he should.


I don't think he's dropped through actions really, just by poe and the fact I've not entirely liked what he's been up to. He has no focus on me which is something I think he'd be doing as town (afraid as mafia maybe? Bit of a stretch) and he's kind of in a weird tangential place not playing the same game as other people.


I'm just gonna address this here and now, whether that's for you or anyone else:

I am ignoring everyone that doesn't do anything memorable to me, and I'm spending like the maximum that I can on this game without going insane, because in the past when I tried my hardest I'd just get flamed and that usually devolved into shitfights with people. It almost happened with Jock this game (sorry for being a flamer Jock!).

also doesn't help that when I case something people barely have opinions on it and don't engage me. They just tell me I'm doing well, or that I'm wrong, and that's it. I'm not going to flame people to get my opinions heard, and if people aren't going to engage me on shit (especially when I thought I made two good cases and there was like 3 responses to it), it just demotivates me from my game.

In fact, the only one who really engaged me this entire game are like Bugs, Calix, and Jock-- which is why I'm inclined to believe they are town rather than every one speaking around me like I don't exist

tl;dr

I don't want to play like I normally do (flaming everyone that scumreads me, flaming my scumreads, modkilling myself because I'm pissed off), but damn is it demotivating to have people just speak around you

I tried reading your case on Koshi but i stopped because i felt like it didn't really go anywhere. Can you summarize some key points in it if you want to be listened? It's not like mafia slips in every post of theirs and i dont really understand why you focus so much on his meta when i think his meta this game clearly says he is town.

I also have no idea why you participated that dumb iGrok thing D1. It was dumb and i think you should know that. I also don't know why you scumread VE because regardless of what VE ever wrote or what you wrote on him he is like Conversion just 5 years earlier and i think you should recognize same town!attributes (that i agree are not uselful but most people still do them) you just described you don't want to get into yourself in this game.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
May 23 2019 14:02 GMT
#2623
On May 23 2019 22:55 Conversion wrote:
I also did not call VE mafia, not sure where you're getting that from. I was specifically responding to Calix asking me about the VE/Artanis/BC/Calix stuff, and I was saying that if there was mafia in the 4, I can narrow it to three because I believe Calix is town.

I got it from this post:
On May 23 2019 22:36 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2019 22:29 Calix wrote:
I also agree that Conversion's post reads as extremely townie for his frustration over his efforts largely being ignored...as opposed to him being okay that most people don't really care about him. The latter IS an ideal situation for mafia, after all.

Don't think it's helpful to discuss this 'game' or whatever though. Conversion, have disformation/ Koshi done anything to change your reads of them? And what do you make of the whole BC/ VE/ Calix/ Artanis situation?

[...]
On the opinion on BC/VE/Calix/Artanis, I'm inclined to believe there is scum in there. If I'm going by my current reads (I honestly think you are town, not sure where this Calix mafia stuff is coming from), it'd be BC/VE/Artanis, so they'll be my focus today.

Because your answer is very subtle. If you don't think one or more of those people are mafia, then idk why you word your post like this.

I mean:

Calix: what do you make of the whole BC/ VE/ Calix/ Artanis situation?
Conv: I'm inclined to believe there is scum in there. If I'm going by my current reads it'd be BC/VE/Artanis.

I dont think this looks natural at all, regardless of what you think about Calix.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
May 23 2019 14:09 GMT
#2626
On May 23 2019 23:06 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2019 23:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 23 2019 22:55 Conversion wrote:
I also did not call VE mafia, not sure where you're getting that from. I was specifically responding to Calix asking me about the VE/Artanis/BC/Calix stuff, and I was saying that if there was mafia in the 4, I can narrow it to three because I believe Calix is town.

I got it from this post:
On May 23 2019 22:36 Conversion wrote:
On May 23 2019 22:29 Calix wrote:
I also agree that Conversion's post reads as extremely townie for his frustration over his efforts largely being ignored...as opposed to him being okay that most people don't really care about him. The latter IS an ideal situation for mafia, after all.

Don't think it's helpful to discuss this 'game' or whatever though. Conversion, have disformation/ Koshi done anything to change your reads of them? And what do you make of the whole BC/ VE/ Calix/ Artanis situation?

[...]
On the opinion on BC/VE/Calix/Artanis, I'm inclined to believe there is scum in there. If I'm going by my current reads (I honestly think you are town, not sure where this Calix mafia stuff is coming from), it'd be BC/VE/Artanis, so they'll be my focus today.

Because your answer is very subtle. If you don't think one or more of those people are mafia, then idk why you word your post like this.

I mean:

Calix: what do you make of the whole BC/ VE/ Calix/ Artanis situation?
Conv: I'm inclined to believe there is scum in there. If I'm going by my current reads it'd be BC/VE/Artanis.

I dont think this looks natural at all, regardless of what you think about Calix.


what is subtle about that, though? I am telling the thread that I feel as if there's a mafia in there (literally 0 reason, as you can see), and that I will focus my efforts in there. I still don't see the subtlety of calling VE mafia, if that's what you're getting at?

Because this game is about giving reads on other people and the only thing you say is that you think there is mafia but Calix can be town and then both of you seems to just be happy with that answer.........
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
May 23 2019 14:10 GMT
#2628
reiteratating:

she asks you for reads
you say basically nothing
everyone lives happily ever after
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
May 23 2019 14:15 GMT
#2633
On May 23 2019 23:12 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2019 23:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 23 2019 23:06 Conversion wrote:
On May 23 2019 23:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 23 2019 22:55 Conversion wrote:
I also did not call VE mafia, not sure where you're getting that from. I was specifically responding to Calix asking me about the VE/Artanis/BC/Calix stuff, and I was saying that if there was mafia in the 4, I can narrow it to three because I believe Calix is town.

I got it from this post:
On May 23 2019 22:36 Conversion wrote:
On May 23 2019 22:29 Calix wrote:
I also agree that Conversion's post reads as extremely townie for his frustration over his efforts largely being ignored...as opposed to him being okay that most people don't really care about him. The latter IS an ideal situation for mafia, after all.

Don't think it's helpful to discuss this 'game' or whatever though. Conversion, have disformation/ Koshi done anything to change your reads of them? And what do you make of the whole BC/ VE/ Calix/ Artanis situation?

[...]
On the opinion on BC/VE/Calix/Artanis, I'm inclined to believe there is scum in there. If I'm going by my current reads (I honestly think you are town, not sure where this Calix mafia stuff is coming from), it'd be BC/VE/Artanis, so they'll be my focus today.

Because your answer is very subtle. If you don't think one or more of those people are mafia, then idk why you word your post like this.

I mean:

Calix: what do you make of the whole BC/ VE/ Calix/ Artanis situation?
Conv: I'm inclined to believe there is scum in there. If I'm going by my current reads it'd be BC/VE/Artanis.

I dont think this looks natural at all, regardless of what you think about Calix.


what is subtle about that, though? I am telling the thread that I feel as if there's a mafia in there (literally 0 reason, as you can see), and that I will focus my efforts in there. I still don't see the subtlety of calling VE mafia, if that's what you're getting at?

Because this game is about giving reads on other people and the only thing you say is that you think there is mafia but Calix can be town and then both of you seems to just be happy with that answer.........


because I have no reads. I have not read them, which I admitted to. I haven't read basically most of this game besides Koshi and Disfo on day 1. I can give you reads now if you want, but they'll be off me remembering things than actually doing research, which I don't want to do. I want to find logical inconsistencies, and I want to have proof that I caught scum. if my feeling wavers after actually reading their filters, then I'll look into someone else.

I don't have time to have read everyone's filters especially when most are 10+ pages, with a lot of spam. I was busy for the past few days.

No one is living happily ever after-- if I still don't give reads by the end of this 72hour day cycle, then that is enough to lynch me as dodging scum.

fine, do what you do. but then dont tell other people you're mad at noone listening to you because you made basically one case yesterday you have now backed off and you seem to have no scumreads.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
May 23 2019 14:16 GMT
#2634
On May 23 2019 23:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2019 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
reiteratating:

she asks you for reads
you say basically nothing
everyone lives happily ever after

Is it possible that rather than 'living happily ever after' Calix is just waiting on Conv to 'look into ve/art/bc' as he said he would do in his thread to get further input? and that Convo is waiting to look into ve/art/bc as he said before giving more thougths on them?

i do not blame calix for this, ofc not, even though i think she is mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
May 23 2019 14:18 GMT
#2638
Okay Conversion, you do your thing and we see where everyone ends up. I pretty much said it already.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
May 23 2019 14:22 GMT
#2646
On May 23 2019 23:20 Koshi wrote:
I said it too!

+ Show Spoiler +
On March 19 2014 08:18 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 08:11 Koshi wrote:
On March 19 2014 08:09 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 19 2014 08:07 Koshi wrote:
On March 19 2014 08:04 Koshi wrote:
On March 19 2014 08:01 Coagulation wrote:
rayn ur bad and should feel bad

rayn mostly pretty spot on early game. So, just play along = thx.

when I said play along I meant cooperate.

It feels like Rayn is the Sheriff and Koshi is the Deputy.

rayn always gets to be the greater role.
Koshi also pretty cool guy.

[image loading]


poor koshi
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
May 23 2019 14:32 GMT
#2664
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
May 23 2019 14:39 GMT
#2672
On May 23 2019 23:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2019 23:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Don't do this rayn you know I wasn't trying to be toxic with this guy, this is the scummiest thing you've posted all fucking game.

dude it was a response to Koshi/Jovk point on HF....
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
May 23 2019 14:41 GMT
#2676
On May 23 2019 23:34 Conversion wrote:
god forbid I have to read toxic rayn's D1 filter. I'll probably contract some sort of fucking chemical disease from it

i have been zero toxic this game, thank you.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
May 23 2019 14:44 GMT
#2682
Yeah that was tilt and not adressed to anyone specifically.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
May 23 2019 14:46 GMT
#2686
the only one i can be considered being "toxic" towards to is bugs but he has in the same manner called me stupid as i have done it to him, just because you don't write swearwords instead of something else it doesn't mean it's any better.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
May 23 2019 14:47 GMT
#2688
On May 23 2019 23:45 Conversion wrote:
it's almost like that one game someone make homophobic slurs but people didn't bat an eye and when I was being aggressive without making any personal attacks (which was like! a brand new thing for me) all of a sudden I was the one with bad behavior

s t a y c l a s s y tl mafia


On May 23 2019 23:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
the only one i can be considered being "toxic" towards to is bugs but he has in the same manner called me stupid as i have done it to him, just because you don't write swearwords instead of something else it doesn't mean it's any better.

youre absolutely right, i hate that too.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
May 23 2019 14:51 GMT
#2689
On May 23 2019 23:46 disformation wrote:
rayn:
think one of your mainreasons to scumread calix was her d1 entry post. what do you think of her posts today?
obv you are not a fan of:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2019 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
reiteratating:

she asks you for reads
you say basically nothing
everyone lives happily ever after


but did you pick up anything else?

i dont think they are getting anywhere.
i dont read tone on people who i have not played like 20 games with, i dont care if she sounds townie/mafia/anything. I dont like her HF read, i dont like the Conversion thing, but that's a minor thing. Not that minor though because Calix normally likes to jump on almost anything that is a really small contradiction or even slightly oblivious.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
May 23 2019 14:52 GMT
#2690
I genuinely think that Holyflare read at the start of the game is enough to make Calix mafia. It should never happen.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
May 23 2019 14:59 GMT
#2695
On May 23 2019 23:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2019 23:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I genuinely think that Holyflare read at the start of the game is enough to make Calix mafia. It should never happen.

Why though? Can you explain this like I'm much less intelligent than you?

On May 21 2019 21:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Another thing is this Calix thing. There is simply no way Calix considers Holyflare town at the point she does. That always makes her mafia, that, and that only. I don't think she can actually consider me mafia aswell at that point but that's more of a minor point. In one of the last games Calix played, if not last, there was a different parity cop check between me and HF and town (Calix included) chose to NOT vote either of us off (lol) in a no-lylo situation. There should never ever be a world where calix should be that confident of her HF read at the point she came to the thread, regardless of what she thinks about my affiliaton.

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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
May 23 2019 15:02 GMT
#2697
On May 23 2019 23:55 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2019 16:57 Jockmcplop wrote:
My other question would be:
Can you see how that interaction with artanis looks weird???

There's like 2 seconds between you scumreading and then townreading him and he only comes up in one more post that you make before the end of night 1 and that was to townread him again....


HF never answered this question and I really don't want it to go unanswered.
Does anyone else think this was super weird.


On May 23 2019 23:57 Jockmcplop wrote:
Talking about this interaction:

Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 04:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On May 22 2019 04:20 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2019 04:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
And HF, explain your read progression on me. You disliked me, read my filter, gave a begrudging townread and now you're scumreading me for something that is wholly false.


Eh, yeah, you're pretty correct actually I don't know. I think it's because you're just not around that you kind of fall by the wayside and I'm like "oh, I haven't scum read that guy in a while and nobody else fits, let's call him mafia."

Fuck you why does this make me think you're town


Why do you think it looks scummy? I am sorry if you have explained it already.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
May 23 2019 15:08 GMT
#2703
On May 24 2019 00:05 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2019 00:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 23 2019 23:55 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 23 2019 16:57 Jockmcplop wrote:
My other question would be:
Can you see how that interaction with artanis looks weird???

There's like 2 seconds between you scumreading and then townreading him and he only comes up in one more post that you make before the end of night 1 and that was to townread him again....


HF never answered this question and I really don't want it to go unanswered.
Does anyone else think this was super weird.


On May 23 2019 23:57 Jockmcplop wrote:
Talking about this interaction:

On May 22 2019 04:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On May 22 2019 04:20 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2019 04:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
And HF, explain your read progression on me. You disliked me, read my filter, gave a begrudging townread and now you're scumreading me for something that is wholly false.


Eh, yeah, you're pretty correct actually I don't know. I think it's because you're just not around that you kind of fall by the wayside and I'm like "oh, I haven't scum read that guy in a while and nobody else fits, let's call him mafia."

Fuck you why does this make me think you're town


Why do you think it looks scummy? I am sorry if you have explained it already.


The main thing is how they don't talk about each other after this interaction... Its like hf wanted to do something re:artanis and land on a townread so he could move on.

That's how it looks to me anyway.

There are no solid reasons for any of what hf did here or previously regarding his reads on artanis. Its just random made up crap that artanis then points out and hf, in a very UNHFLIKE manner then says "Oh yeah you're right you're town" and doesn't mention it again.

Okay. I get your point. I havent really read into what HF has said and dont remember what Artanis has said since forever. Let's see when they answer you.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
May 23 2019 15:21 GMT
#2707
So VE?
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