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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9650 Posts
May 24 2019 14:13 GMT
#3240
On May 24 2019 04:49 disformation wrote:
bc


edited version of arts case:
(i removed 3 and added stuff to 5)
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On May 22 2019 04:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
1. Shitty entrance:
On May 20 2019 22:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
BC is on my radar.
On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did.

As I am just finishing the catch up so far.

Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die.

Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now.

A lot of posturing in here, as well as a strawman. HF fakeclaiming has nothing to do with claiming a wrong name for a role. The two situations are incomparable. Also, what is he actually accomplishing with this? He's making a general statement without bothering to follow up on who transgressed in the way he mentioned. "Anyone who liked HF for his claim comments should want to kill HF instead". What? And then anyone who liked him for things after is in the clear? When did we suddenly switch from talking about HF's alignment to the alignment of these unnamed players?

Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront

On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote:
Hi.

HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.

I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.

Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.

(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)

##vote raynpelikoneet


this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing.

Speaking of thread sentiment, how about piling onto a post everyone's already piled up on? Seems like a good strategy. He's being wordy on a post people have already gone into detail about. Pretty easy.

VE does raise a good point on Igrok however before we decide to fully opt that route we should wait for him to get back from being gone all day on a plane to post anything to get a better idea. I am fine with putting him on the likely red list for now but I feel like its fine to give the man a few more posts before damning him given what he has posted thus far.

Says basically nothing.

Also this is being quoted for anyone who bothers to think on it. I feel it will give me / anyone with brains proper reads on eachother this game.

On May 19 2019 22:07 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:13 Holyflare wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 19 2019 20:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Rayn, what was the plan behind it?

No plan. I just thought it would be fun.


So you're telling me you went to the past game, copied your post and changed like 50% of the words AND the order when you could have just simply typed out the sentence instead?

That's really the line you're going with lol?

Yes. Do you think i believe any host ever words VT "town vanilla" lol??? Well actually maybe you of all people do...

I mean this is the whole point of the case. Holyflare can actually brainfart and believe this is true and definitely is shameless enough to write shit like that. So nothing much to say about him. Jock is probably just new enough to idk just sheep and not think further. Gut says town becaise it would just give him more to talk about if he was just being right. Bugs should know better. Artanis and VE are being smart, which doesnt surprise me. At least VE is most likely friend. Latest posts say Artanis might be too.


Is anyone suspicious to you yet rayn??

It seems like you're only defending yourself by telling people to play better instead of calling people out you think are being scummy.

In this quote thread, BC comes out with the following reads on people listed:

Rayn - Null - possible town
HF - null to scum
Jock - null to scum
And no read on me. If everyone's nullish, what could possibly be interesting on this streak that he wants to get reads on others off on? I don't get it.


2. Shitty followup as shown by RuX:
On May 21 2019 06:02 ruXxar wrote:
On May 21 2019 03:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 20 2019 23:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On May 20 2019 23:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I get it, they're two different things, HF's claim last game and the way rayn phrased his intro this game, and they're like apples to oranges or whatever, but it seems like BC is referring to more the mindset behind it all, like someone who fakeclaims the way HF did last game wouldn't/shouldn't be all up in rayns ass the way he is for what he is - not necessarily drawing a direct parallel between the two occurrences, but more commenting on the mindset that drives them both. I disagree that it necessarily means that HF should die, but I can kinda see where he's coming from.

From what I recall BC's mafia game tends to be more stand-offish and abrasive than his town game, and it feels like he's doing just that. Are you not bothered by him driving the Calix point home for following thread sentiment in a wordy manner whilst literally following thread sentiment?


Wait wait wait? Let me get this straight.

In a thread where basically only 2 people (one of which I was the first to really scum read) being rayn and ruxxar all saw Calix as scum. Where at a time, Rayn was getting shit on from the entire thread. I was pushing thread sentiment? I was stopping a shit show of cluttering of the thread as best I could.

Ruxxar? Thread sentiment? Literally the first to bring him up.
Disinformation? same basic thing.

So basically fuck you artanis. I tried to keep people off you so you could come back and at least do something. I give next to 0 fucks you chose to filter dive me cause well its at least productive but for you to completely read the thread wrong means you skim read, didnt read, or chose to fabricate shit. ESPECIALLY when you filter dive me.

Sorry, if you outright say you are reading my filter, I expect you to read the thread at the time of my postings, otherwise you are legit making shit up.

So you wanted me to read you? You can join the mafia side of my list.





On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote:
sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics.
i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.

- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart.
- hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up.
- VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia.
- rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho.
- bugs looks aigh tish.

- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information.
already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.

##Vote calix

On May 20 2019 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not sure i will bother to play a game with this amount of retarded people. Yes, it's fucking retarded when you are clearly being cased regardless of whatever Holyflare says afterwards and people won't accept your completely reasonable and easily truth-checkable explanation.

I also find it completely unreasonable that people continue with their bullshit on me based on "rayn ahs no opinions" after i gave my opinion on everyone who had posted so far in the game. When everyone else's only real read was a stupidass shitread on me based on fucking nothing. So keep your stupid little circle jerk and dont talk to me please. Unless you're VE or Artanis.

Bugs can go to Acrofales pile if he is town and sadly i am not even sure he is not. Acrofales pile is a pile where people who i thought very high of earlier but turns out they are not good town players after all go.Everything he posts is just so fucking wrong and he is even trying to coach me or some shit. I could't care less what the dude writes, because it's jsut straight out BS out of his keyboard, seems like the pattern from last game continues.
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On May 11 2019 06:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
likewise, 13/10 would ignore both rayn and HF again

rayn voted:
D1 - mafia

bugs voted:
D1 - town
D2 - town
D3 - town
D4 - town

i laughed at that comment for liek 10 minutes. for real.


gonna vote for mafia again.
##vote Calix


When you have these two posts in the thread then making the following post on calix is not exactly a bold original idea. It could be construed as trying to get a second wagon started without risking yourself. Do notice that both me and rayn voted for calix. But bloody despite calling her post «screaming fucking mafia» did not join voting. Perhaps waiting to see if thread sentiment would build further onto calix first.

On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did.

As I am just finishing the catch up so far.

Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die.

Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now.

Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront

On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote:
Hi.

HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.

I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.

Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.

(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)

##vote raynpelikoneet


this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing.



4. Scumreads almost exclusively on people scumreading him:
On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Fuck. I need to sleep.

Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.

If hes not who we decide to lynch.

At this point id still be down for

Artanis
Disinformation
Ruxxar.

I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities

All of these other than VE which he just pulled out of his ass for no reason are people who scumread or threw shade on him.

5. Speaking of VE, he mentioned he was going to filter him, then decides not to share anything about his scumread, just votes VE based off a fear read and fucks off talking about other people without pushing his preferred lynch at all.
On May 21 2019 21:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 21 2019 21:01 Calix wrote:
I don't understand why VE is being considered over rayn. At least VE's actually playing the game.

A bunch of the points against VE seem to be meta-based, or based around 'well he'd usually do this but he's doing that instead' or something, and since I don't know VE, these points don't have much credibility with me tbh.


TBH, its a vibe thing. I get completely why you think Rayn could flip red. I honestly can see it. I can also see the same world where VE is red atm as well.

Of those 2 VE scares the shit out of me if hes scum. He is one of the few players who can live almost forever when hes not town.


Pls kill.

additions:
1. falling off as the game progresses
2. reads go unexplained
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On May 24 2019 04:32 disformation wrote:
did bc explain his koshi stuff?
does not really explain why koshi i scummy
On May 22 2019 05:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also based on the last few pages alone

Koshi, Artanis, Ruxxar, Disinformation are all good targets for lynches, dt checks and vig bullets.

VE feels better after seeing everything since I came back.

koshi town now:
On May 23 2019 07:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I r back now and fuck, sorry guys. The way Ruxxar was playing I thought the read was right =\ Even if my voted wasn't on him, my read still played a huge part in his death.

As for the newest events of the last 20 pages or so.

No Bugs, after al that has been said and done, I wont be agreeing to kill VE. I voted for him (briefly) for the same reasons I started to lose my read of HF in the last game. Having time to sit back, think, and reflect I just can't kill him atm.

Looking at the thread trying to be impartial again to avoid the tunnel mentality and the adversity from contrary reads VE looks good. and his reasonings for the slight changes between games makes sense. Can't kill him as of yet.

Looking at the thread now, especially during the night phase. I would say this.

Rayn, HF, VE, Koshi (i hate saying this), all look decent and should be where any protective roles we have be sitting.

As much I know that I am on that list because I know that I am 100% town, given that basically no one else thinks so, leave me to potential bullets. Bugs, and I personally would say Jock, basically lives in the same zone that I am.

That leaves everyone else.

There is enough consensus now on Artanis that although the way I got my initial read on him was completely stupid, he has continued to post in a way that I still think is mafia. Plus the people who seem to be playing better than me agree on it so I feel a bit more sure.

the other 2 I feel are scattered between Callix, Igrok, Conversion and Disinformation. Im trying to avoid tunneling like I have been, because I can see that I have been now.

I need to reread Calix and Igrok as through tunneling artanis, ruxxar and disinformation I more or less left them by the wayside.


no mention of koshi in between or after...

3. reads grok town for some very bleh posts:
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On May 24 2019 04:41 disformation wrote:
bc's defense on grok is also pretty eh?
On May 23 2019 20:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 23 2019 20:05 Calix wrote:
On May 23 2019 20:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Once he returned to the thread (after the first his flight) He has been fairly active in the thread. At least by say, my standards.

Like, I am clearly able of being wrong given HF last game and ruxxar this game. But I just don't see Igrok as scum at this moment. His activity is similar to my own (so if that means im scum go for it) and he looks to be trying to figure out the game.

Not going to judge igrok for that sentiment though if we arent going to also damn every other player who has borderline rage quit the game for similar behaviour.


I don't understand this post. Nobody is scum-reading you or iGrok based on activity yet most of this post talks about activity like it's AI.

As for the only thing in this post that would actually be AI, can you point us to the 'figuring out the game' posts iGrok has, in your opinion, made?


Do you even read the thread? VE literally just used the reason of "complained about thread and fucked off"


As for posts

On May 21 2019 16:31 iGrok wrote:
Man, I'm out of practice. I really want to feel like calix is mafia, but I can tell if its because she is making bad aggro on me and I'm overreacting.

It doesn't help that I have no idea how good/bad/experienced calix is. My initial key moments for her were:

Calix
HF / Jock good, rayn bad, wbg probably good
-Honestly really basic post. easy to make if less experienced scum
stop calling me scum for sheeping, I'm gonna keep sheeping because reasons
Its a fucking VE / rayn conspiracy
Total reversal, VE/dis good, conv/rux bad
BC is scummy because he's... drawing attention away from me... by bringing me up when other lurkers are being focused more?

Only positive thing I know about calix right now is that I like her playstyle. Periodic summaries - its what I typically tried to do as well.

But like I said, I'm self-aware enough to realize that I may just be reacting incorrectly. Thoughts?


On May 21 2019 16:58 iGrok wrote:
alright guys its 1am and I have to be up at 5am for another all-day class. I'll be back before the vote, catch up, give my thoughts, and vote. next day cycle won't be like this, class finishes friday.

And I guess I shouldn't really say class, its a programming seminar thats 12 hours/day.

Go catch some scum for me lol. Most of my reads are there.

Some hidden thought counts for future use:
BC:1
WBG:2
HF:2
VE:4
Rux:1

Actually, I'll go ahead and open the rux thought up. Someone should review post #682. I honestly dont even remember what it was and I'm about to pass out, but I made a note to review it.

On May 22 2019 01:02 iGrok wrote:
Frankly the HF turn on Jock feels scummy, like pushing an easy lynch. Honestly HF's filter looks like trash, with one or two exceptions

On May 22 2019 04:36 iGrok wrote:
@VE I've been away for a while but my read on rayn fits perfectly with my memory of him. I thought you had caught onto it earlier, said as much too, but I guess not?

Rayn's early game felt completely like read-generation material. The bad VT claim, the aggression, the obvious fake claim (which almost everyone ignored, so... either good job to everyone for not buying it or horrible job for not even noticing it) - he did oversell it later, made it more obvious but like...

He called HF on some nonsense, decided he had found some mafia and stopped playing as someone said - but honestly that is such a rayn thing to do from my memory.

On May 22 2019 08:35 iGrok wrote:
@Calix, you obviously can't read me or don't want to. You're throwing a bunch of extra implications into my statement.

"If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux." does not mean "I want to vote rux". Give me a fucking break.

I took my vote off you despite knowing that my having put the earlier vote on you would probably be the tiebreaker for the lynch. I did this because I'm just trying to figure the game out, realized I had made a mistake, and fucking owned up to it instead of rolling on ahead ignoring everyone else.

That being said, I'm not a village idiot, I don't want to die today, and I know that I'm at least as likely to be town as BC/Rux because, from my perspective, I'm 100% town. So if that's what it comes down to, yeah I'll vote for either of them in a heartbeat.


like i think hf had some posts that the notes on calix werent very good and the "oh i have notes on ppl, for example someone should look at this post by ruxxar i forgot why i noted it down" post was bit strange as well.
i mean im glad he mentioned it so i could dig it out, but i would have a better read on grok if he would have said if its supposed to be a scummy/towny post by ruxxar.

rest of the grok quotes seem okay, but the first two posts by grok are not that inductive of a tr on him imo



verdict:
high chance of scum detected


OK

Some of artanis' points on BC aren't very good imo.

He talks about his shitty entrance which doesn't look bad to me... makes a quote thread in which there are no scumreads and points that out despite the fact that BC had made scumreads elsewhere by that point (this is quite damning of artanis imo --- unless I'm reading it wrong, that quote thread is a nightmare to sort out for some reason)

Claims BC exclusively scumreads people who scumread him.... however BC's first scumread was calix who hadn't scumread him. He comes back to Calix later as you would expect considering early game he said one of Ruxxar/Calix was scum. This is a sensible read progression that is very townie looking.

Additions:
1: In End of the World Party I don't remember him falling off as the game progressed but he posted quite sporadically and in a way that's a bit reminiscent of how he's posting here. Long gaps of no posts and then you don't know which BC you're going to get when he does turn up. Its not a full mafia tell though its just him behaving in a similar way in two games. I don't have much meta information on him.

2: He says Koshi is a good target for a lynch but never explains this or scumreads him. He later avoids answering a question about this saying "I never scumread him" but doesn't explain at any point why he's a good target for a lynch.
That doesn't look good.

3: Reads iGrock as town. iGrock was looking fairly townie or null to me at that point too. He looks much, much worse since he came back and failed to answer hf's points properly. I don't know how this is particularly alignment indicative because quite a few people were null-town on iGrock at this point and it tracks with his other reads.

All in all Im null on BC. Some townie stuff, some mafia looking stuff but the townie stuff is strong enough that I'm not going to go after him.




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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9650 Posts
May 24 2019 14:19 GMT
#3243
Calix make me believe that Koshi is mafia.
Please
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9650 Posts
May 24 2019 14:24 GMT
#3250
Oh thanks disfo I missed that.
What do you think? I don't think there's enough there to scumread BC compared to some other people here.
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9650 Posts
May 24 2019 14:28 GMT
#3256
On May 24 2019 23:25 Calix wrote:
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On May 24 2019 23:19 Jockmcplop wrote:
Calix make me believe that Koshi is mafia.
Please


Lemme put it this way. He lacks any real conviction in his reads.

For example, he 'town read' ruxxar and 'scum read' BC and I on Day 1.

What does he do?

Well he sure as hell doesn't push either of his scum reads. He just spammed 'Calix is mafia' and whined that nobody was listening to him.

He didn't give valid, convincing reasons for town!ruxxar.

He had the opportunity to switch his vote from moi onto BC [again, a guy he thinks has a high chance of being mafia] when BC was getting traction but Koshi did NOT switch.

You will see the same pattern today.

Today, he's said "lynch Calix" but not once has he made a legitimate push on me that would convince people to kill me. The same applies to his 'other scum read' HF.

Nor has he made a convincing argument for town!iGrok aside from "omg no way would mafia hard-bus"

He just kinda whines about how his 'town reads' are being voted over his scum reads yet does literally nothing to change the game state from that to something more favourable for town [in his eyes].

And the reason for that is because he doesn't actually care about killing mafia.


Some of that makes sense.

Alot of it could be describing a town player who's being a bit of an asshole. Its not outside Koshi's range at all from what I understand.

I'm not convinced.

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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9650 Posts
May 24 2019 17:11 GMT
#3426
On May 25 2019 02:05 Holyflare wrote:
Here we go.


What conclusion did you come to re: BC?
Its a very 'meh' filter. Some good, some bad, right?
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9650 Posts
May 24 2019 17:36 GMT
#3437
Yo hf what do you think of BC?
You spent ages reading him but didn't really say what you thought at the end of it just something about Art saying a thing about BC and Koshi..
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9650 Posts
May 24 2019 17:43 GMT
#3442
On May 25 2019 02:38 Holyflare wrote:
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On May 25 2019 02:36 Jockmcplop wrote:
Yo hf what do you think of BC?
You spent ages reading him but didn't really say what you thought at the end of it just something about Art saying a thing about BC and Koshi..


Nah I stopped reading him and got bored again so I'm taking a break while I wait for igrok. There was a lot of wrong stuff I saw him posting about and I think it would be easy to actually make a case about him being mafia but his meta is very very different, even from the civil game he was mafia in.


Didn't that happen with calix as well???
You might as well stop trying and just concentrate on your one read
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9650 Posts
May 24 2019 17:58 GMT
#3458
On May 25 2019 02:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay so I'm open to the idea that I've just been wrong about rayn this whole time. I've had to disagree with like every reason he's given for his reads...not like, WHOLLY disagree, but disagree with the level of certainty that these things provide rayn. I've written it off to his playstyle up until now, but frankly with this his most recent Top 10 Anime Betrayal of HF, I'm left thinking maybe I'm the one being fooled here. Maybe he's trying to emulate his town-play as mafia with all this crazy certainty? It's DEFINITELY in his wheelhouse.

Someone like HF with loads of meta weigh in. Has rayn's certainty up to now been within his normal town-rayn range of certainty - to - bad reasoning?


I would like to filter dive rayn but I am not Amanda Young.
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9650 Posts
May 24 2019 17:59 GMT
#3461
On May 25 2019 02:58 Koshi wrote:
Anyway. igrok obv town.

But baddies wont listen to me and rayn so w.e


His posting today has been pretty scummy.
Why obvtown?
I GUESS WE'LL NEVER KNOW AS USUAL.
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9650 Posts
May 24 2019 18:11 GMT
#3473
On May 25 2019 03:08 Koshi wrote:
Also to all other people

Who didnt want to vote jock because he was potential town: Koshi
Who said Ruxxar was conf town and should never be the lynch: Koshi


But you people keep doing what you are doing. Youbare the best.


Its amazing really.
Its like you already knew who all the town are and only tell us when they look like they're gonna get lynched.
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9650 Posts
May 24 2019 18:11 GMT
#3475
On May 25 2019 03:10 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2019 03:09 iGrok wrote:
On May 25 2019 03:06 Koshi wrote:
On May 25 2019 03:05 iGrok wrote:
On May 25 2019 02:58 Koshi wrote:
Anyway. igrok obv town.

But baddies wont listen to me and rayn so w.e


This is really funny, don't you think?

On May 24 2019 01:11 Holyflare wrote:
No, they're good points to pick up on but unfortunately don't mean anything. It would probably be quite beneficial if you read some of my games where I'm mafia maybe? Although that will also be a time when I had more free time you can get a sense of my style. I normally imo just pick up on a point and hammer at it until I get a mislynch whereas town I kinda do that but actually have an ongoing poe with really shit feels and reasoning entwined in it. I also get swayed off things really easily.

Unlike this igrok guy who yet again posted an afk excuse.


One can only hope they see the light after you die. Dont focus and arguing with them. Just post opinions and your opinion only. Make it your testament.

Yeah, that's why I decided to just completely tune out HF at this point. Just not worth engaging with mafia.

Should I even bother doing a stitch of my read list or should I just say fuck it because mafia are going to misconstrue it and get me lynched anyways?


You are without a doubt in my mind getting lynched. The best you can do is leave a legacy if you are town. No copping out with this bs.


Nah hf at the moment my plan is to wait until a few hours before the deadline and switch my vote to you and see who comes with.
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9650 Posts
May 24 2019 18:13 GMT
#3479
I'm very said that no-one got my Amanda Young reference.
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9650 Posts
May 24 2019 18:40 GMT
#3513
On May 25 2019 03:39 Koshi wrote:
Dnu how many votes igrok has but pretty sure the same people who voted Ruxxar out are now voting igrok out.

#suckstobetown


U wanna switch to hf at the last minute with me?
It'll be fun and SHOCKING and everyone'll be like yay.
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9650 Posts
May 24 2019 18:43 GMT
#3519
On May 25 2019 03:42 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2019 03:40 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 25 2019 03:39 Koshi wrote:
Dnu how many votes igrok has but pretty sure the same people who voted Ruxxar out are now voting igrok out.

#suckstobetown


U wanna switch to hf at the last minute with me?
It'll be fun and SHOCKING and everyone'll be like yay.

No. I want to vote away the unreadable who are hiding first. HF still pit in massive effort.

I need the thread to be on the correct track first before I vote out effort


I feel like this is important advice for me.
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9650 Posts
May 24 2019 18:45 GMT
#3521
iGrock has done much more than artanis this game.

Even if some of it looks very scummy, I can see a way that iGrock could feasibly be town. Not Artanis.

##unvote
##vote Artanis
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9650 Posts
May 24 2019 18:46 GMT
#3524
I'm changing my vote now because I'm not really gonna be here much the next couple of days, its my dad's birthday and I'm going road tripping down to the shithole I was born in to see him.
I'll try and check in briefly every now and then but I'll be phone posting which I suck at so no more reads maybe some shenanigans if that happens.
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9650 Posts
May 24 2019 19:17 GMT
#3551
On May 25 2019 04:05 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2019 02:51 iGrok wrote:
The rest:

BC is a complete null to me. Don't have a single idea where he is.
Bugs I'm leaning town on.
HF is obviously mafia.
VE I'm not sure. Lots of points, haven't contextualized them well yet.
Jock is also null, same deal. Some town some scum, especially the domino lynch proposal is just never a good idea.
Artanis is leaning scum, but I haven't paid much attention to him D2.
Calix's early game felt real bad, but I'm convinced on HF and also don't think Calix and HF can both be scum..


Translation: I have no other scum reads aside from Artanis, the guy who is the scum-driven counter-wagon. I will be voting for Artanis at EOD but I'll pretend this isn't what I'm planning to do by saying "I haven't paid much attention".

While we're on the topic of 'scum driven wagons', Koshi is only now willing to put aside his scum read of me if it means he can vote off Artanis instead. It's so obvious that's what these two scummers are leading up to, lol.

iGrok's reappearance has to be the most disappointing letdown in mafia history. He doesn't even try looking into Artanis or talk about other players or anything. Seriously, almost all his recent posts do nothing to help town. Page 6 of his filter is appallingly scant of discussion about other players despite having a bunch of null and 'uncertain' reads.

How the fuck VE and Jock looked at iGrok's posts and conclude Artanis is more mafia is beyond my comprehension.


Give me one read artanis has made based on solid townie logic.
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9650 Posts
May 24 2019 19:17 GMT
#3552
On May 25 2019 04:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2019 04:05 Calix wrote:
On May 25 2019 02:51 iGrok wrote:
The rest:

BC is a complete null to me. Don't have a single idea where he is.
Bugs I'm leaning town on.
HF is obviously mafia.
VE I'm not sure. Lots of points, haven't contextualized them well yet.
Jock is also null, same deal. Some town some scum, especially the domino lynch proposal is just never a good idea.
Artanis is leaning scum, but I haven't paid much attention to him D2.
Calix's early game felt real bad, but I'm convinced on HF and also don't think Calix and HF can both be scum..


Translation: I have no other scum reads aside from Artanis, the guy who is the scum-driven counter-wagon. I will be voting for Artanis at EOD but I'll pretend this isn't what I'm planning to do by saying "I haven't paid much attention".

While we're on the topic of 'scum driven wagons', Koshi is only now willing to put aside his scum read of me if it means he can vote off Artanis instead. It's so obvious that's what these two scummers are leading up to, lol.

iGrok's reappearance has to be the most disappointing letdown in mafia history. He doesn't even try looking into Artanis or talk about other players or anything. Seriously, almost all his recent posts do nothing to help town. Page 6 of his filter is appallingly scant of discussion about other players despite having a bunch of null and 'uncertain' reads.

How the fuck VE and Jock looked at iGrok's posts and conclude Artanis is more mafia is beyond my comprehension.


VE is scum, Jock is just Jock.


DISLIKE
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9650 Posts
May 24 2019 19:22 GMT
#3563
On May 25 2019 04:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
THESE THREE PLAYERS NOT PUSHING ANY LYNCHES ARE MAFIA!

YOU KNOW, MAFIA WHO HAVE TO PUSH LYNCHES TO WIN! THESE THREE DUDES NOT DOING ANY OF THAT ARE CERTAINLY THE MAFIA I WAS JUST DESCRIBING!!!


They don't have to push lynches if you're about to lynch a townie.
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9650 Posts
May 24 2019 19:22 GMT
#3566
On May 25 2019 04:22 wherebugsgo wrote:
I’m going to take a really hard stance on Artanis right now and say I find it extremely unlikely he is scum.

On read and reread he plays like he doesn’t have enough time to read this game when VE & Koshi & rayn account for like half of the posts and none of the content, and when it’s already difficult to keep up with what’s going on with 6 hours to play instead of barely 2.




On May 25 2019 04:17 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2019 04:05 Calix wrote:
On May 25 2019 02:51 iGrok wrote:
The rest:

BC is a complete null to me. Don't have a single idea where he is.
Bugs I'm leaning town on.
HF is obviously mafia.
VE I'm not sure. Lots of points, haven't contextualized them well yet.
Jock is also null, same deal. Some town some scum, especially the domino lynch proposal is just never a good idea.
Artanis is leaning scum, but I haven't paid much attention to him D2.
Calix's early game felt real bad, but I'm convinced on HF and also don't think Calix and HF can both be scum..


Translation: I have no other scum reads aside from Artanis, the guy who is the scum-driven counter-wagon. I will be voting for Artanis at EOD but I'll pretend this isn't what I'm planning to do by saying "I haven't paid much attention".

While we're on the topic of 'scum driven wagons', Koshi is only now willing to put aside his scum read of me if it means he can vote off Artanis instead. It's so obvious that's what these two scummers are leading up to, lol.

iGrok's reappearance has to be the most disappointing letdown in mafia history. He doesn't even try looking into Artanis or talk about other players or anything. Seriously, almost all his recent posts do nothing to help town. Page 6 of his filter is appallingly scant of discussion about other players despite having a bunch of null and 'uncertain' reads.

How the fuck VE and Jock looked at iGrok's posts and conclude Artanis is more mafia is beyond my comprehension.


Give me one read artanis has made based on solid townie logic.

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