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On May 22 2019 22:26 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 22:25 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 22 2019 22:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
LOL
omg ur right this is fun my bad.
Bugs I still PoE Calix, but Conversion dropped in my estimation too so that PoE is weaker. It doesn't make Calix look any BETTER, it just add more Ps to E, making it less likely BY DEFINITION that she's mafia.
I don't have a strong read on Calix, she feels town to me, but not as town as my town reads so she's down in the bowels of my nulls/lynches. It's real simple and I'm trolling you because I never ever ONCE said that Calix wasn't on my radar, at least not that I remember. I have NO idea where you got the idea that my read on her switched. why does it seem like you have no interest in figuring out the game? If you townread both me and BC why is it that you never posed either of us any questions? I've been in here all morning trying to figure out the game. You're ignoring my posts. I haven't asked you questions because you're both doing a DECENT job (BC less so) of putting your thoughts into the thread. What do I need to ask? Why do I need your input?
what on earth...how in the hell have I been ignoring your posts?? I've asked you multiple times what your scum reads are and you responded that you had full intention of sheeping yesterday because you said you had none. And the worst part is you didn't even say who you'd be willing to sheep, so not only did you not have any scumreads, you were essentially saying none of your reads were any good.
since you had no proper scum reads for basically 80% of day 1, and you just said we were doing a "decent" job, you had absolutely 0 questions for EITHER OF US?
like these were your posts from last game:
On May 04 2019 01:49 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 01:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
VE I’m open to convincing on Pandain because it seems I’m literally the only person who thinks he might be town. Besides the post flip self congratulations do you agree with HF’s points about Pandain?
I’m having a hard time seeing Pandain’s absence as being highly alignment indicative this game regardless of what he actually promised given that there are at least two other players doing similar things (Rels and BC are the ones that immediately come to mind) and this game is already low activity. You think it's better or worse than a lynch on you? That's the question that matters currently.
On May 01 2019 02:37 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2019 02:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm going to bed and will be back in 7-8 hours. If anyone reads this and wants my opinion later, feel free to ask. Same goes if you're feeling like the game is going slowly; let's discuss what we want to do about it, or at least the minimum we've seen so far. We don't have enough participation yet for D1 to go well IMO, and it's not easy to convince absentees nor is it easy to get scum out talking if town isn't either. Yeah I've got a question - is your resistance to the Jock lynch intentional or circumstantial? Like, I get that you're suspicious of MZ or whatever, but you say MZ "smells blood in the water", does that imply that you think Jock is town?
On May 01 2019 20:56 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2019 19:58 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 01 2019 19:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Liiiike if FF were the other wagon and not MZ that would just be super. I'm with you here, FF is setting off alarm bells for me what are your thoughts on no-lynch this cycle? I've actually always been of the opinion that a no-lynch on day 1 is actually really good for town because it reduces the variability, especially in low post count games like this one. What do you define as "good"? Preserving the number of town? Reducing the likelihood that we hit town with the lynch? To what end? If we don't use the lynch, mafia don't get reduced. That's the short and long of it. Mafia are NOT going to NOT kill someone, so no, I don't think we should no-lynch.
where is even 1% of that this game? Like you even complained I was ignoring you last game too, which wasn't true there either, but at least you made a strong effort at responding to me and you mutually asked me a ton of questions even if you would occasionally get miffed which I completely 100% expect you to do
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what?? how is me asking you questions being uncivil
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On May 22 2019 22:37 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 22:34 wherebugsgo wrote:
what?? how is me asking you questions being uncivil You don't fucking care about the answers, you're just asking me questions to try and AHA at me some more, and I'm fucking DONE with you Bugs. If you persist I will disappear from the thread, skirt posting requirements and vote. Exclusively. I'm seriously so sick and tired of you right now I could fucking throw up. I'm seriously pissed off. You don't give a SHIT what I say, you're literally only trying to find more shit to confirm your bias. You're fucking wrong Bugs. Get over it. This is absolutely the LAST post I direct at you.
fine, I'll let BC decide as if we are both town here we at least both agree that BC is town as well.
which actually bothers me a lot because my read on BC has been faltering given the state of this game and if you are town here it would have been incredibly nice if you could have helped me sort that read out
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On May 22 2019 22:41 disformation wrote:
absolutely irrelevant reminder that bc's last action has been to omgus at everyone vaguely looking in his direction and gtfoing off.
him "gtfoing" is not alignment indicative because BC is often very busy. I believe he's on EDT and he works a lot/works odd hours.
When he rages that the thread is a pile of shit and he can't read it he really means it, and that's regardless of alignment.
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On May 22 2019 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 22:42 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 22 2019 22:41 disformation wrote:
absolutely irrelevant reminder that bc's last action has been to omgus at everyone vaguely looking in his direction and gtfoing off. him "gtfoing" is not alignment indicative because BC is often very busy. I believe he's on EDT and he works a lot/works odd hours. When he rages that the thread is a pile of shit and he can't read it he really means it, and that's regardless of alignment. thats incorrect.
On May 04 2019 05:17 BloodyC0bbler wrote:What a cluster fuck -_- Everything I just read screams of a town bugs vs a town HF. You two need to stop funneling eachother and take a step back and breathe ffs. TBH if you look based purely on activity since the flip the people based on absence that look the worst. Pandain Rels Me As we have all been mia. As much as me being at work then sleeping makes sense to me, enough people in mafia lie about why they aren't around to avoid the fos so meh. IMO the shit pandain did when he came back into thread did not exonerate him. He was a top lynch pick of more than 1 person and all hes done is appear to basically claim town cred then bounce. Given that I was already suspicious of him and the whole attempting to claim town cred and vanishing looks slimy as fuck, hes red in my mind unless he can change my mind before he flips. The thing with rels. He was "inactive" in thread in the end of the world mafia when he and I were on a team together until he couldn't be anymore. Even then he tried to fly under the radar. However he was stupidly active in the mafia QT. as much as part of me wants to say hes red. Currently he just looks like he has 0 time and no motivation to play. As hes basically almost at the modkill point id leave him for that / wait and see if he appears just long enough to skirt the posting / voting requirements. Also just quoting this for my own future thoughts based on how flips play out as the post stood out as a glaring wtf all of todays posting I was reading. Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 03:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Ok two hours to go.
I want to do shenanigans. HF not around to defend or explain his actions is making me not like the bugs lynch more and more.
Like I said early game, I'd rather not just lynch through the most active voices who find themselves on the wrong thread sentiment.
I would like to go after Rels for the tmi post and complete afk. After the death of the gf I'd imagine scum morale is pretty low and if townies are pointing fingers at townies their best strategy is to lurk.
out of the two of us I'm not the person who struggled to read BC last game. Try again.
+ Show Spoiler +TBF I am waffling on him in this game but this game is a lot different than last one
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On May 22 2019 22:53 Koshi wrote:
Bugs can you make a >75% town list?
this is sort of a silly question
there are 3/11 scum so "null" is actually 73% town
but anyway:
Towniest to least
myself
Jock
HF
disformation
conversion
rayn
calix
--- here is about 80%, so everything above is townreads
BC (I've been moving him up and down recently but before the flip was solidly above this line-now it's about 50-80%)
Koshi
Artanis
iGrok
VE
If I'm wrong on BC then VE and Artanis basically go straight to town, Calix would look worse, etc.
I doubt iGrok & Calix are town-town though it's remotely possible, and I strongly believe there are 1-2 scum in BC Artanis VE.
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alright I'm going to bed.
I think the lynch tomorrow needs to be between either iGrok & Calix or VE/Artanis/BC.
Unless we have a jailkeeper on Jock he's probably dead, and that flip doesn't tell us anything.
VE is townread by both rayn and HF and really only me & BC & Artanis have called VE scum this game. OTOH multiple people have called BC scum, and basically no one besides maybe VE thinks I'm scum (Artanis has me as null...?).
The sort of oddball reads when it comes to the set of iGrok & Calix are VE's and HF's, who I think might be the only two players who have mentioned that iGrok and Calix might possibly be scum together (like VE thinks iGrok is scum and has reasons to think Calix is town but he's in his list on POE). Otherwise it seems that there's a pretty clear polarization between them.
Optimal play seems to just be to kill iGrok.
Artanis/BC also seem to be fairly polarized and not sure if anyone actually believes they're both scum or both town here.
Artanis's reads are also rather oddball because he puts BC & VE & Calix all together and I'm not sure anyone else thinks that.
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wait, me, Artanis, and BC all called VE scum...
hmm
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why did people say BC OMGUSed artanis when BC scumread artanis first
or at least I feel like I remember that sentiment was thrown around
ok w/e. Too much thinking.
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On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look:
On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis
Disinformation
Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE.
I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him.
I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me instead
Lastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious.
Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction.
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I mean come on this on face value:
So basically fuck you artanis. I tried to keep people off you so you could come back and at least do something. I give next to 0 fucks you chose to filter dive me cause well its at least productive but for you to completely read the thread wrong means you skim read, didnt read, or chose to fabricate shit. ESPECIALLY when you filter dive me.
Is literally 100% true from what BC did. He mentioned he was giving both iGrok and Artanis a pass, which I was also doing.
If either iGrok or Artanis came into the thread after I had stuck my neck out for them and scum read me I’d probably have done the exact same thing as BC
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On May 23 2019 07:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote:On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look: On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis
Disinformation
Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE. I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him. I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me instead Lastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious. Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction. I didn't know May 21 2019 21:08 was before May 20 2019 22:22 in your calendar, WBG.
Did you scumread BC before you voted him? Because if you did then I honestly just didn’t remember that, all I remember is that I ignored you for a while since your vote was on me and you were mostly AFK so why would I bother reading you.
If you did indeed scumread him before then my apologies, I’m wrong and BC OMGUSed you. Not sure that makes him scum or that his assessment of the situation from his perspective is scummy given that I agreed with it.
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On May 20 2019 22:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:BC is on my radar. Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did.
As I am just finishing the catch up so far.
Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die.
Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now. A lot of posturing in here, as well as a strawman. HF fakeclaiming has nothing to do with claiming a wrong name for a role. The two situations are incomparable. Also, what is he actually accomplishing with this? He's making a general statement without bothering to follow up on who transgressed in the way he mentioned. "Anyone who liked HF for his claim comments should want to kill HF instead". What? And then anyone who liked him for things after is in the clear? When did we suddenly switch from talking about HF's alignment to the alignment of these unnamed players? Show nested quote +Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote:
Hi.
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
##vote raynpelikoneet this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing. Speaking of thread sentiment, how about piling onto a post everyone's already piled up on? Seems like a good strategy. He's being wordy on a post people have already gone into detail about. Pretty easy. Show nested quote +VE does raise a good point on Igrok however before we decide to fully opt that route we should wait for him to get back from being gone all day on a plane to post anything to get a better idea. I am fine with putting him on the likely red list for now but I feel like its fine to give the man a few more posts before damning him given what he has posted thus far. Says basically nothing. Show nested quote +Also this is being quoted for anyone who bothers to think on it. I feel it will give me / anyone with brains proper reads on eachother this game. On May 19 2019 22:07 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 19 2019 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 19 2019 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 19 2019 21:13 Holyflare wrote:On May 19 2019 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 19 2019 20:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Rayn, what was the plan behind it? No plan. I just thought it would be fun. So you're telling me you went to the past game, copied your post and changed like 50% of the words AND the order when you could have just simply typed out the sentence instead? That's really the line you're going with lol? Yes. Do you think i believe any host ever words VT "town vanilla" lol??? Well actually maybe you of all people do...  I mean this is the whole point of the case. Holyflare can actually brainfart and believe this is true and definitely is shameless enough to write shit like that. So nothing much to say about him. Jock is probably just new enough to idk just sheep and not think further. Gut says town becaise it would just give him more to talk about if he was just being right. Bugs should know better. Artanis and VE are being smart, which doesnt surprise me. At least VE is most likely friend. Latest posts say Artanis might be too. Is anyone suspicious to you yet rayn?? It seems like you're only defending yourself by telling people to play better instead of calling people out you think are being scummy. In this quote thread, BC comes out with the following reads on people listed: Rayn - Null - possible town HF - null to scum Jock - null to scum And no read on me. If everyone's nullish, what could possibly be interesting on this streak that he wants to get reads on others off on? I don't get it.
I’m guessing you mean this, yeah?
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On May 23 2019 07:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I r back now and fuck, sorry guys. The way Ruxxar was playing I thought the read was right =\ Even if my voted wasn't on him, my read still played a huge part in his death.
As for the newest events of the last 20 pages or so.
No Bugs, after al that has been said and done, I wont be agreeing to kill VE. I voted for him (briefly) for the same reasons I started to lose my read of HF in the last game. Having time to sit back, think, and reflect I just can't kill him atm.
Looking at the thread trying to be impartial again to avoid the tunnel mentality and the adversity from contrary reads VE looks good. and his reasonings for the slight changes between games makes sense. Can't kill him as of yet.
Looking at the thread now, especially during the night phase. I would say this.
Rayn, HF, VE, Koshi (i hate saying this), all look decent and should be where any protective roles we have be sitting.
As much I know that I am on that list because I know that I am 100% town, given that basically no one else thinks so, leave me to potential bullets. Bugs, and I personally would say Jock, basically lives in the same zone that I am.
That leaves everyone else.
There is enough consensus now on Artanis that although the way I got my initial read on him was completely stupid, he has continued to post in a way that I still think is mafia. Plus the people who seem to be playing better than me agree on it so I feel a bit more sure.
the other 2 I feel are scattered between Callix, Igrok, Conversion and Disinformation. Im trying to avoid tunneling like I have been, because I can see that I have been now.
I need to reread Calix and Igrok as through tunneling artanis, ruxxar and disinformation I more or less left them by the wayside.
Has VE directly asked you any questions this game?
Feel free to elaborate on your answer as you see fit.
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I’m going to go and disappear now, back to my place in the scum QT.
If anyone has questions for me feel free to throw them out, I’ll do my best to not miss them when I do come back.
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Honestly idgaf if I get policy lynched for trolling about being scum because I have steadily lost a lot of desire to play this game thanks mostly to Koshi.
Like I stopped caring what his alignment is and it’s so frustrating that he’s still allowed to enter games and do this garbage.
I’m going to quote VE here because it encapsulates my thoughts perfectly
On July 09 2016 07:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
It doesn't matter I won't be back. I'm not requesting a ban for you this game and I don't knew why anyone but me would. Like you can say it's sad and I'm a drama queen all you want, but it's not just about this game. It's every game you are in. You are a poison element in this community. IF you give a shit at all about this community, stop being a dick every game. You are killing TLMafia.
The maybe 2? Games I played with Koshi back then were a huge factor in me taking a large hiatus from TL Mafia. It actually made me reflect a lot on the times I myself have been toxic, and I really really hope I’ve never been perceived anywhere near as toxic as Koshi is this game, to the multitude of players he’s been toxic to. Like I get it, not getting the lynch you want is frustrating. But this is on another level.
If I ever play here again I’m going to ensure he’s not in the playerlist, and if I ever host again I’m banning him. I don’t actually care if that means I never play here again despite how much I actually like playing with the rest of you, even rayn.
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Noiice, we got a reset.
I’ve reached no conclusions yet and I fully intend to post very little, and when I do post I intend to do it in a more consolidated manner. I’m thinking of just taking very long breaks since I was very tilted and frustrated having to read loads and loads of filler and repetition. I’m not sure if I really feel like answering anyone’s questions today but feel free to send them at me if you want a chance at me providing some input.
I was a strong defender of both Jock and Calix yesterday. On Calix I would liken my confidence till now to be somewhere in between my confidence last game on Pandain & Jock—not as confident as I was willing to call Pandain town when I was on the chopping block, but definitely more confident than day 1 when I was apathetic to Jock being lynched and sheeped the wagon to get it over with. However I’m not going to bother defending Calix today as I just want to sit and observe which stances others are taking. There have been too many people calling Calix scum for me to defend her, I could literally just be wrong esp. when I was tunneled on a townie all day.
I think rayn is not going to have much of an influence on the lynch because based on what I’ve observed he doesn’t care about influence as much as he cares about coming to conclusions he thinks are right and then holding them forever. This seems to be true even when he’s wrong, like earlier how he half-jokingly called grackaroni 2nd towniest from last game when Pandain voted Vivax with him d1, VE vigged a scum, BC nailed grack and got shot n2 for it, and Pandain & slam correctly identified grack on the final day. So I’m confident if the wagon moves away from Calix rayn will just keep screaming that she is scum ad nauseum. He did this with jock yesterday and then just moved back to Calix when that didn’t pan out.
OTOH he berated HF for not “cleaning up the thread” or whatever and while I think this is a completely self-unaware thing for rayn to say (maybe not self-unaware if he is scum though), I do myself want to see HF take action here and fight for the lynch he thinks is best. Hopefully that should help us read HF more clearly—HF told me to not consider him a town leader yesterday so now I’m forcing him to own it. This takes care of two birds with one stone as I think we should judge rayn on the basis of his reads if that’s the only thing he wants to do, and we should judge HF on the basis of his thread control and what he does with it when there are lynch and conversation control vacuums. Neither of them are slam dunk town reads for me ATM even though HF is probably still my strongest, so my hope is that they will both be solidified reads for me by EOD.
I fully expect Calix, iGrok, BC, and Artanis to fight each other today and I’m wiping my slate entirely clean of every read I have there and am just going to sit back and watch for a while since my presence and involvement has not been helpful thus far, and my reads have been a bit in off-world territory.
Again, if I’m feeling like it I might entertain questions, though I probably will only pop in periodically today as I want to spend more time away from the game to refresh. I’m not in a clear mental state to deal with it atm. I’m also going to hold my vote until I feel like it because I want to see what happens if I am basically completely absent.
Here’s a secret message just for Jock:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 23 2019 14:59 Jockmcplop wrote:
I've got another real busy day today so I won't be around much until late tonight (again)/tomorrow.
Everyone should vote artanis. Particularly VE, Koshi, BC and Bugs who all have him as a major scumread. I actually really appreciate your enthusiasm and your observation here so please don’t feel disappointed for my lack of enthusiasm for lynching into Artanis/BC at this very moment. I reread both of them and on an independent basis I found them both rather townish, but as I mentioned I’d rather read them from scratch from today because they’ll have to take harder stances now. Here’s what I observed when I did reread: Both of them have done things I don’t like—BC having a very weird progression on Calix as mentioned multiple times, he and I actually disagreed on this read even though we agreed on ruxxar and both gave Artanis and iGrok temporary passes for most of d1. We also disagree on VE which I find strange because he was happy to vote VE and it’s not clear to me when he started scumreading VE to when he stopped scumreading VE. OTOH I don’t really see major tonal or behavioural differences between what he’s done last game and this game. Artanis is basically only attacking BC, and his reads list has a lot of weirdness, like I think VE — BC — Calix is remotely possible but really incongruent with a lot of events, like Calix encouraging Koshi to vote BC at deadline instead of her, BC scumreading Calix and ruxxar out of the gate, etc. I also think his push on me was very strange and even though he stopped scumreading me it doesn’t seem like he has any interest in interacting with me to strengthen that read, he just put me in a nullpile after saying he was annoyed with my reactions. Why would he be annoyed with my reactions and why would he stop when I’m just null? OTOH on tone I read Artanis townish and my recollection is that he is updating his progressions based on events and his interaction with others seems genuine. That outweighs the weirdness above for me and puts me at about a moderate townlean for Artanis. As an addendum while I townread both of the above, my senses still tingle on VE but any time I mention him he jumps down my throat and assumes the worst. He did this to you, BC, and HF yesterday as well so it wasn’t just me, but I got it the hardest esp. since he actually voted me earlier in the day. I want to see if he’s in a better mood to talk today and if he’s happier to talk and help figure out the game then I’ll be happy too. Maybe you’ll have better luck talking to him because now he can’t get mad at you for being scum
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Hi all. This might be my only post before I go to bed today. I'm not sure there was any indication anybody read my last post but I recommend you all to read it.
For this analysis, unless explicitly mentioned, when I talk about "player(s)" I will not include myself.
A lot of players, myself included, seem very confused about the state of this game. However, every player has taken at least one hard stance on their own merits, all with their own reasons...except for three players.
One of those three players is on the lynch list for today. The other two are "off-world" reads that only two, maybe three players have really at any point scumread.
I don't know how I feel about that yet but thought I would throw this observation in the thread. Anyone who can correctly identify which 3 players I am talking about, cases and votes one of them without waffling wins town points in my book.
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here's my response to Artanis since I was bored. Feel free to ignore this post if you think you will get any of my reads for today, because it contains none. I'm off to bed in a couple of hours and I'll be back in the morning.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 23 2019 20:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:First, why I'm not as sold on BC anymore. He's significantly dialed down his aggression in general when there's no real reason to and is giving opinions on a lot of things. It's this sequence of posts: Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 07:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I r back now and fuck, sorry guys. The way Ruxxar was playing I thought the read was right =\ Even if my voted wasn't on him, my read still played a huge part in his death.
As for the newest events of the last 20 pages or so.
No Bugs, after al that has been said and done, I wont be agreeing to kill VE. I voted for him (briefly) for the same reasons I started to lose my read of HF in the last game. Having time to sit back, think, and reflect I just can't kill him atm.
Looking at the thread trying to be impartial again to avoid the tunnel mentality and the adversity from contrary reads VE looks good. and his reasonings for the slight changes between games makes sense. Can't kill him as of yet.
Looking at the thread now, especially during the night phase. I would say this.
Rayn, HF, VE, Koshi (i hate saying this), all look decent and should be where any protective roles we have be sitting.
As much I know that I am on that list because I know that I am 100% town, given that basically no one else thinks so, leave me to potential bullets. Bugs, and I personally would say Jock, basically lives in the same zone that I am.
That leaves everyone else.
There is enough consensus now on Artanis that although the way I got my initial read on him was completely stupid, he has continued to post in a way that I still think is mafia. Plus the people who seem to be playing better than me agree on it so I feel a bit more sure.
the other 2 I feel are scattered between Callix, Igrok, Conversion and Disinformation. Im trying to avoid tunneling like I have been, because I can see that I have been now.
I need to reread Calix and Igrok as through tunneling artanis, ruxxar and disinformation I more or less left them by the wayside.
Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 07:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Bugs. I will fully agree that my first major read on Artanis was after he tunnel dove me and said shit I know is wrong. Your reason for why i was super pissed is right though. I gave him a pass, got shat on by him for giving him that pass, had my filter misinterpreted and shit made up. So I will fully admit I got pissed and tunneled on him.
Now. Do I still think hes mafia? yes, but hes currently the only read I had that I am committed to.
That is also concentrating mainly on the last 24ish hours as well. The content is partially important, but more so is the tone. As mafia there'd be no reason to do anything but keep the focus on me with thread sentiment on his side. He also seems to be working with people to actively try and get a read on them. Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 20:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I have already stated when I scum read you and when I upgraded my read. Those are clearly already in thread. So go filter dive me if you want to read them. Even you have to put through the extra work if we are going to solve the game. The tone is just so different from earlier and there was no pressure on him to change, really. All the people accusing him were considered null at best. As for why WBG: Same tone thing, but very differently. When HF accused me of something that was wrong, this was how he replied: Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 04:20 Holyflare wrote:On May 22 2019 04:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
And HF, explain your read progression on me. You disliked me, read my filter, gave a begrudging townread and now you're scumreading me for something that is wholly false. Eh, yeah, you're pretty correct actually I don't know. I think it's because you're just not around that you kind of fall by the wayside and I'm like "oh, I haven't scum read that guy in a while and nobody else fits, let's call him mafia." Extremely transparent, acknowledges his reasons for reading me were inaccurate and.. that's it. He doesn't arrive at a conclusion immedately because it's not necessary. Contrast that with Bugs regarding me accusing BC: Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 23:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
why did people say BC OMGUSed artanis when BC scumread artanis first
or at least I feel like I remember that sentiment was thrown around
ok w/e. Too much thinking.
Makes an incorrect statement. Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote:On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look: On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis
Disinformation
Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE.
I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him.
I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me insteadLastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious. Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction. Expands on statement, showcases its importance regarding reading me and disfo. Did not check the validity of said statement. Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 07:26 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 23 2019 07:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote:On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look: On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis
Disinformation
Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE. I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him. I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me instead Lastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious. Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction. I didn't know May 21 2019 21:08 was before May 20 2019 22:22 in your calendar, WBG. Did you scumread BC before you voted him? Because if you did then I honestly just didn’t remember that, all I remember is that I ignored you for a while since your vote was on me and you were mostly AFK so why would I bother reading you. If you did indeed scumread him before then my apologies, I’m wrong and BC OMGUSed you. Not sure that makes him scum or that his assessment of the situation from his perspective is scummy given that I agreed with it. "Oh I was wrong, but it doesn't change my BC read!" The focus is much more defensive and closed. Then the most recent post made above feels to me like he's trying to stay 'above' the discussion. Get people to guess at his little game to get free townreads.. it doesn't feel like he's critically trying to think of the game, but just filling up space whilst sitting on the sidelines. ##Vote wherebugsgo nice try but too much stretch. You might want to reread what I said, slower this time, and take it at face value rather than assuming I'm scum before reading it. 1. This hinges on me remembering one thing wrong, and then admitting that I was wrong, being a scumtell. Of course that's silly, unless you expect town me to have a photographic memory. All this while I am lying in bed, phoneposting, about to fall asleep, wondering what to think about something weird I remembered. Don't believe me? Check the time stamp. 2.The second post proves I am not lying that my best recollection was that your first read of BC was when you cased him. What proof? The fact that I wrote "before Artanis cased him" when I woke up and again checked the thread. 3. It feels to you like I'm trying to stay above the discussion because I literally said that's my intention. I don't want to be an active participant in the thread today because being an active participant in the thread yesterday was not helpful for me to solidify enough reads, and today I want to see who takes hard stances without me convincing them to take hard stances, cause that's not really a hard stance if it's me convincing them. Lastly, for bonus points, I decided I'd respond to this too: On May 23 2019 04:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 04:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2019 04:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I do actually think VE might be town though. Him trying to talk down people on points he thinks are weak on me whilst still scumreading me comes off pretty genuine and I dnu why he wouldn't just pile up on me with thread sentiment against me. Okay who do you think is mafia? WBG maybe? His thread policing without really taking any hard stances himself feels like he's just keeping his options open right now. He's also just pointing out a bunch of things without following up on his thoughts. Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 23:42 wherebugsgo wrote:
wait, me, Artanis, and BC all called VE scum...
hmm Okay, what are you doing with this? Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 23:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
why did people say BC OMGUSed artanis when BC scumread artanis first
or at least I feel like I remember that sentiment was thrown around
ok w/e. Too much thinking.
Was untrue, didn't check and just checked out. I need to dig into him further though. 1. "without really taking any hard stances" <- right, I didn't take any hard stances when I moved mountains at EOD to get four people to sheep me on my read of ruxxar, in order to, you know, get my top scumread lynched. Nor did I take any hard stances when I was literally the only person hard defending both Jock and Calix for a majority of the day. Nor did I take any hard stances when koshi/rayn asked me for a full read of the game, or when I literally posted my spreadsheet for everyone to read. I think perhaps you may also be implying that because I've said, plainly and clearly, that I intend to stay on the sidelines today, that also means I don't intend to take any hard stances today, which is just silly because I never said that: I just said I'm not going to take any new hard stances right now. 2. See prior explanations for not checking, and in addition: Saying "w/e. Too much thinking", while phoneposting, prior to going to sleep is of course a great indication that I have an intention to double check that immediately, rather than let the players who shared the sentiment that BC OMGUSed Artanis check it and either correct me or back me up while I'm asleep. Cause my intention is to do...what exactly? Make myself look scummier? Or perhaps it makes more sense that town me would want help in achieving clarity on this from someone who did share that sentiment, during a period when I know I will not be able to check myself?
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On May 23 2019 22:15 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 21:00 Holyflare wrote:On May 23 2019 18:49 Koshi wrote:
Can somebody explain to me why the thread now thibks conversion is mafia? I saw rayn put it in the thread and after that he dropped on both HF and VE townlist by more than he should. I don't think he's dropped through actions really, just by poe and the fact I've not entirely liked what he's been up to. He has no focus on me which is something I think he'd be doing as town (afraid as mafia maybe? Bit of a stretch) and he's kind of in a weird tangential place not playing the same game as other people. I'm just gonna address this here and now, whether that's for you or anyone else: I am ignoring everyone that doesn't do anything memorable to me, and I'm spending like the maximum that I can on this game without going insane, because in the past when I tried my hardest I'd just get flamed and that usually devolved into shitfights with people. It almost happened with Jock this game (sorry for being a flamer Jock!). also doesn't help that when I case something people barely have opinions on it and don't engage me. They just tell me I'm doing well, or that I'm wrong, and that's it. I'm not going to flame people to get my opinions heard, and if people aren't going to engage me on shit (especially when I thought I made two good cases and there was like 3 responses to it), it just demotivates me from my game. In fact, the only one who really engaged me this entire game are like Bugs, Calix, and Jock-- which is why I'm inclined to believe they are town rather than every one speaking around me like I don't exist tl;dr I don't want to play like I normally do (flaming everyone that scumreads me, flaming my scumreads, modkilling myself because I'm pissed off), but damn is it demotivating to have people just speak around you
alright, I couldn't resist, I pronounce to you all, my first read of today.
I basically consider you confirmed town for this post. I mean, I already invited you to my circle so it can't get much better than this.
If you have any questions for me, I'll play with you. Also, I want you to read tl.net and let me know your thoughts on that little game. You won't get anything from me for playing or even winning, unfortunately, because you've already won in my book, but maybe you'll get something for yourself.
You mentioned memorability. I agree, memorability is good. Whose takes have not been memorable? I think I know, and I think you know as well. If knowledge aligns, then we're probably not wrong together.
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