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On May 22 2019 16:50 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 16:25 Holyflare wrote:On May 22 2019 15:39 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 22 2019 15:23 Jockmcplop wrote:
Sorry for breaking the rules I didn't even think at the time.
I can continue to play but its up to you guys really. I don't want people to think they should lynch me and not bother because of what I said, that would suck hard and be unfair
The other option is I stop posting altogether for this game, which I'm absolutely fine with.
JOCK YOU'RE BACK :D I'm actually really happy cause I got sad reading that huge mess and I was really enjoying playing with you. BTW idk if you saw this earlier but let's hydra next game (or maybe you can hydra with someone not as shitty as me). I kinda wanna hydra cause my solo scum reads are garbage and I need to work on that, plus it's super fun to chat about the game with someone you know is seeing it from a similar in-game perspective On May 22 2019 15:13 Holyflare wrote:On May 22 2019 12:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
as usual I don't think I have any idea what's going on this game so I'm going to step back for a long while. I can't make heads nor tails of the giant mess that happened around when HF swapped to Jock for his contradiction and that's actually made me question literally all of my townreads because people I thought would look worse look better and people I'd thought look better in some cases look worse.
I felt pretty good about HF and BC but now I'm just confused. someone help. What the fuck have I done that makes you question those reads??? You're the one who defended and saved igrok who has the shittest logic I've ever seen. He's picked 3 random people and decided one has to be mafia in it for absolutely no reason related to in game posts and then done nothing. I've completely decimated his post on me and disfo even confirmed it and he hasn't even batted an eyelidm read my next few posts, my read on you hasn't actually changed, and I think on principle my read on BC hasn't really changed much either, just a bit wary/bothered that he bristled on Artanis so hard. Lots of interactions to play with there though and I'm on the side of Artanis being scum for now so we'll see what happens. Actually not sure if he's my top scum read yet as I think I want to prepare something for someone else. The main catalyst for me being utterly confused is that the jock mess actually caused rayn to shoot up townier in my reads list. Like something just went off in my head as I flashbacked to last game; I probably wouldn't have seen it if you hadn't also seen and acted on the exact same contradiction by voting. Like my personal opinion as I was in the process of reading that entire exchange was in agreement with Calix, that what Jock posted was indeed a contradiction and that it looked pretty awful but in context of the sea of posts Jock had I didn't think it lent much to Jock being scum. However, given how rayn plays I could 100% see town rayn just completely ignoring everything else and attacking Jock for that because that's literally what he did to me last game; he picked on the fact that I was a bit too slow in explaining some particular read I had for him and then he just didn't let that go. I really didn't notice this earlier in the game because I pretty much tuned out both rayn and Koshi for a good chunk of time and haven't really reread them at all. On May 22 2019 15:27 Holyflare wrote:
That's fine. Please read igrok and then my points about him. Let's talk about iGrok and Calix's interaction from EoD, I want to be convinced here because I'm on the town iGrok train with rayn/koshi/maybe now Calix and want to understand more. He had a fake vote on Calix as well as rayn, but only pointed out the one on rayn. He talked about a vote on Calix as if it wasn't a fake vote, and I found that odd. Why be transparent about one and not the other? Could chalk it up to a mistake...but otherwise the crux of my read at this moment is tone/behaviour; I saw how Calix reacted to their interaction by backing off a bit on iGrok and he did a very similar thing to me on the last page when I called him out for the 1 scum 2 town thing. Do you acknowledge those things or do you think they're not relevant here? Lastly HF, I want you to read this string of posts from VE, and just note it, you don't have to provide thoughts yet. I'm going to make a callout of some other oddities later tonight when I have some more time and let people come to their own conclusions about what they mean. On May 22 2019 08:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yo bugs. I'll lynch Ruxxar now. If you want. *shrug* On May 22 2019 08:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
I mean we're secure in a lynch now, like you wanted. But like...I could maybe lynch ruxx. You're right, the resistance was real. On May 22 2019 08:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
Only if you stop calling me mafia though, and stop freaking the fuck out.
Then I'll switch my vote. On May 22 2019 08:32 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 22 2019 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
Also if ruxxar flips town I’m killing anyone who townread him omg then you can fuck yourself I'll just kill MY scumread. LOL I don't really know where he ever says his calix vote is fake, nor do I care. If his rayn vote is fake and you know it was fake, why does he use it as a reason to scum read me in his case as if it were real? I liked VE's deadline posts. Here's the "I unvoted Calix" thing, iGrok doesn't say it was a fake vote: Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 07:16 iGrok wrote:On May 22 2019 07:11 Holyflare wrote:On May 22 2019 07:09 iGrok wrote:On May 22 2019 07:05 Holyflare wrote:On May 22 2019 06:43 iGrok wrote:
Hmm... I didn't actually put together that HF going for ez lynch onto Calix makes it less likely for them both to be mafia. Good catch disinfo.
##unvote calix while processing On May 22 2019 07:01 iGrok wrote:On May 22 2019 07:00 Koshi wrote:
iGrok if you get yourself lunched over 100% Calix and 85% mafia BC.... Sad days bro. Yeah, not really sure what to do about this. I've got to decide if Calix is mafia and HF is dumbtown or vice versa How the fuck do you have to decide about THIS scenario. Either I went for the easy lynch on Calix YOUR MAFIA READ as mafia or town. But how does it make me dumb town OR mafia to do this? How does Calix's alignment make any difference to my alignment in this scenario? If you are going for an easy lynch on anyone you can, you are mafia. If you are mafia, and you try to push an easy lynch on calix, calix is not mafia. If you legit thought calix was mafia, so you tried to lynch him, you are town. Are you with me? Calix is your scum read, arguably the most you've talked about. Why would I be a DUMB TOWN to vote on the person you think is mafia? You are voting calix now. I am not and really don't think we should be. Why are our alignments opposite? Surely I did a weak push and now we're both mafia??? This reads as extremely fake, I'm not even pushing calix and I don't really think I've pushed calix strongly all game so this indecision about our alignments reads really forced. I unvoted on Calix when disinfo pointed out the logic. And alright, dumb town is harsh? but I still don't like jumping across so many accusation focuses so early. But he never put this vote in the vote thread and never mentioned that he didn't do that (unlike the rayn one) and the only reason I even noticed this is because I knew from the vote thread that iGrok technically never voted until his first and final vote on you. I only wanted to point out that iGrok said his rayn vote was fake, but he never said that his Calix vote was fake, and I find that weird. I'd like him to explain this, actually. Anyway, I don't know if they mean anything in terms of iGrok's alignment. Like from some weird perspective I could imagine he wanted to see reactions to him "voting" rayn in thread but didn't want to place a real vote because it was just for reaction fishing? No idea. I think him reaching the conclusion on you being scum because he thinks one out of you three of ruxxar/HF/Calix is scum is pretty pants-on-head. Like this assertion is so blatant that I don't think he'd do it as scum, it draws too much attention. It's just that he tried to logic and then failed to consider whether you and Calix are both just town and you had a moment where you waffled on the read or whatever.
Too scummy to be scum, don't do that. It's much more simple that he's just mafia.
Do you know why he thinks calix is scummy in the first place? I'll quote it for you. Does this make sense to you?
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btw don't let me discourage you on iGrok, I really don't have a strong read on him. My main quibble with him on the scummy side is that it still feels like he hasn't contributed anything useful.
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On May 22 2019 15:23 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 06:41 Holyflare wrote:On May 22 2019 02:09 iGrok wrote:On May 22 2019 01:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fuck i really want to call iGrok town for that post hahahah ;D
So good. Which? Also right now top scum read is HF and calix, followed by arty. least confident is BC/bugs, Key points on Calix: Calix HF / Jock good, rayn bad, wbg probably good -Honestly really basic post. easy to make if less experienced scum stop calling me scum for sheeping, I'm gonna keep sheeping because reasons Its a fucking VE / rayn conspiracy Total reversal, VE/dis good, conv/rux bad BC is scummy because he's... drawing attention away from me... by bringing me up when other lurkers are being focused more? Rux is maybe not scum because he is admitting to having trouble making reads and calix is also pushes rayn -#1247 honestly lots of true points about rayn but ones that I see as NAI because my memory of rayn's meta is palmar jr I'm not sure how any of these points lead to a calix scum read by the way. Entry post is basic - mafia, that's the extent of why she's scummy essentially? Otherwise it's ve/rayn conspiracy that changes to not really anymore - not scummybc point doesn't mean anything? ruxxar point shows calix changing a read because someone shares a townie mindset with her - not scummy? agrees with all the rayn points and if he didn't have meta with rayn it would be good?????? conclusion is that this is the most mafia person in the game lol?????? Worst points.
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Lately I dont sleep full nights anymore. I always wake up once and I am pretty awake then. So annoying.
Tonight the cat also was sittong on my face and begging for cuddles so that didnt help but still.
I used to sleep so good.
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If you really believe Calix is town there is something wrong with you and you will never catch mafia.
I am willing to give a web siminar for 2 hours straight why she is mafia but seriously cba to convince you people here.
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On May 22 2019 16:50 Koshi wrote:
Imagine hf is town and a pleasant person to play with. 😱😱
Still town.
Can you at least talk about igrok from the perspective I'm town? Don't really care if you don't believe it. Do you think he's reached his points in a natutal way? The only reason you seem to think he's town is because of his targets and not anything else.
At least 50% of the 2 people he thinks are mafia are town (me) but why does he think I'm mafia to begin with? Can you explain that?
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She is for example the only person who is not voting for her scumreads nor pushes them when they are talked about.
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On May 22 2019 16:57 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 16:50 Koshi wrote:
Imagine hf is town and a pleasant person to play with. 😱😱 Still town. Can you at least talk about igrok from the perspective I'm town? Don't really care if you don't believe it. Do you think he's reached his points in a natutal way? The only reason you seem to think he's town is because of his targets and not anything else. At least 50% of the 2 people he thinks are mafia are town (me) but why does he think I'm mafia to begin with? Can you explain that?
Calix is mafia you fucking dumbass. Until she I will consider fucking nothing.
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On May 22 2019 16:58 Koshi wrote:
She is for example the only person who is not voting for her scumreads nor pushes them when they are talked about.
Like how she not voted bc yesterday and activily was searching for something + talking about something else when momentum was on bc.
Only thing she said was #1891 good case artanis. I am behind you. (Number made up)
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I'm not sure how any of these points lead to a calix scum read by the way. Entry post is basic - mafia, that's the extent of why she's scummy essentially?
Otherwise it's ve/rayn conspiracy that changes to not really anymore - not scummy
bc point doesn't mean anything?
ruxxar point shows calix changing a read because someone shares a townie mindset with her - not scummy?
agrees with all the rayn points and if he didn't have meta with rayn it would be good??????
conclusion is that this is the most mafia person in the game lol??????
The way these points are written, if iGrok is town, they come off more like iGrok had a gut read of Calix being scum and then confirmation biased himself further, if he saw anything at all scummy beyond the first two things.
Like "basic post easy to make if less experienced scum" -> sounds like a data point fit to an already held conclusion, whereas ruxxar made a very similar beginning post and yet iGrok thought that post was fine.
From a town-iGrok perspective the first two bullets (basic post + sheeping) are basically thread sentiment/easy primers and Calix is/was an easy scum read.
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Ahh ot doesnt matter.
Only will look bad if the 0.01% chance happens she is not mafia.
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Better kill Ruxxar again.
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On May 22 2019 17:00 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +
I'm not sure how any of these points lead to a calix scum read by the way. Entry post is basic - mafia, that's the extent of why she's scummy essentially?
Otherwise it's ve/rayn conspiracy that changes to not really anymore - not scummy
bc point doesn't mean anything?
ruxxar point shows calix changing a read because someone shares a townie mindset with her - not scummy?
agrees with all the rayn points and if he didn't have meta with rayn it would be good??????
conclusion is that this is the most mafia person in the game lol??????
The way these points are written, if iGrok is town, they come off more like iGrok had a gut read of Calix being scum and then confirmation biased himself further, if he saw anything at all scummy beyond the first two things. Like "basic post easy to make if less experienced scum" -> sounds like a data point fit to an already held conclusion, whereas ruxxar made a very similar beginning post and yet iGrok thought that post was fine. From a town-iGrok perspective the first two bullets (basic post + sheeping) are basically thread sentiment/easy primers and Calix is/was an easy scum read.
So, you read the above and think he has points on why calix is mafia right?
On May 22 2019 08:35 iGrok wrote:
@Calix, you obviously can't read me or don't want to. You're throwing a bunch of extra implications into my statement.
"If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux." does not mean "I want to vote rux". Give me a fucking break.
I took my vote off you despite knowing that my having put the earlier vote on you would probably be the tiebreaker for the lynch. I did this because I'm just trying to figure the game out, realized I had made a mistake, and fucking owned up to it instead of rolling on ahead ignoring everyone else.
That being said, I'm not a village idiot, I don't want to die today, and I know that I'm at least as likely to be town as BC/Rux because, from my perspective, I'm 100% town. So if that's what it comes down to, yeah I'll vote for either of them in a heartbeat.
So, disformation comes in and says "they both unlikely to be mafia if one voted for the other!" and igrok goes omg you're right only one of them must be mafia but then ditches his calix is mafia read (the biggest wagon in the game!) because .... He wants to figure out the game? But he still calls calix mafia between me and herself too all the while! Why does she stop being mafia for this post that blatantly appeals to emotion when he has tangible points that he said make her mafia? It's all unflipped association nonsense. Why was I the mafia when he decided to vote calix out of both of us at that point??
Furthermore, he says he scum read ruxxar but conveniently when the wagon came up he found any excuse he could to not be on it and even switched his read. He spent the next 20 of his posts explaining logic with conversion between 3 people who were not up for lynch, threw his vote into a wagon with just himself and then berated you after the lynch despite doing nothing himself to stop it.
On May 22 2019 12:28 iGrok wrote:
fuck you bugs, you know I was right
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Let it be said that igrok saved calix from dying but still called her mafia. Then voted a solo wagon and berated bugs for it.
If igrok stayed on his mafia read calix then she would have been (and was) in the lead for a substantial margin of time.
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I still don't even know why he calls me mafia. More specifically I don't know why nobody has called him out on his read "hf has called everyone mafia and thus must be mafia" because I do that in every game and nobody has corrected him. Do that and he's forced to reevaluate and not be stuck in this fake narrative.
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On May 22 2019 17:15 Holyflare wrote:
Let it be said that igrok saved calix from dying but still called her mafia. Then voted a solo wagon and berated bugs for it.
If igrok stayed on his mafia read calix then she would have been (and was) in the lead for a substantial margin of time.
alright, you convinced me, this is scummy, we actually just mindmelded because I came back from a reread.
like a few hours before deadline he admitted he knew that he had no chance of getting you lynched:
On May 22 2019 06:41 iGrok wrote:
Because I don't think I can get HF lynched.
and then magically near deadline when it was basically just like four of us he wasted his vote rather than staying on Calix.
I have to bend over backwards to explain this from a town perspective. Like there's a slim possibility he 1.) unvoted Calix just on a whim cause he was like "oh let me think about this" and then in the process of fighting with Calix came to the same conclusion as her that he was fighting a townie, then when he saw me charging on ruxx (with Calix present in the thread, maybe he figured he could get Calix to join him on you???) he decided he'd just try to throw it out there that we should lynch you instead.
But that's way more complicated than the simpler answer of he's scum
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On June 14 2018 10:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2018 07:55 Holyflare wrote:On June 14 2018 07:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 14 2018 07:49 Holyflare wrote:On June 14 2018 07:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 14 2018 07:40 Holyflare wrote:On June 14 2018 07:21 TheSlenderMan wrote:
Holyflare -- D1 you say this: "Tells people to stop trolling, presumably to instead play the game but then does nothing whatsoever to actually contribute. Then comes back 12 hours later to say nothing and afk and only just say palmar's read is weird.
plz lynch
##vote raynpelikoneet
team is probably rayn/koshi "
How is your own D1 any better by your own standards, before you start commenting on fuba? How is my day 1 better? What? I made a solid case on rayn before he started playing and then half way(!) through day 1 at a max 5 pages of thread I began hunting fuba. How is my play different? Probably because there's no trolling and all investigation. I havent trolled at any point in this game and you made cases on 2 townies and tunneled like a dumb person. And your case on me was shit as fuck. So yeah... Mate. Reading comprehension. Where do I say you were trolling? What was i doing before my third post if not trolling if i am mafia? Can you reread the summary? Other people were trolling, you told them to stop, you did nothing to contribute. That was the case. Nothing more. Nothing about you trolling. It wasn't a bad case for 5 pages into the thread and was half serious and half pressure. I didn't like your contributions so continued to vote you. Partly because I didn't really give a shit to do anything else and partly because I didn't think your content was great. When everyone and their mother started hard defending you I decided to back off and look into them. Today, when you actually start posting content and reasons for your reads you look a lot better. When you play afk and post trash about grack/superbia and kelsier being town when they posted 0 things and don't talk to ke then I'm going to think you're mafia. I don't play by analysing specific points and sticking to them. I play by conversations and reevaluation after that. incorrect. first point. it was never pressure. never, you are lying 100% here. i know you and it was not pressure. fucking shit. no pressure, you are mafia. second point. untrue. when "everyone and their mother started to defend me" you decided to do not a fucking single thing and when palmar was lynched THEN YOU FUCKING yelled everyone who CORRECTLY defended me are mafia. So, your call. What say you?
This game is cyclical. I did the same thing in this game as that. Exact same. Same rayn reaction :D
Just thought that was funny, doesn't mean anything.
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btw I think VE is scum and last minute saved iGrok for no good reason whatsoever. I can explain later, but the crux of it is that he just sort of appeared and then more or less admitted that he was voting a townread for the sole purpose of making me not read him as scum.
That's horseshit and VE would never do that as town. VE would fight with me and try to convince me that I'm making a bad decision, and to sheep HIM instead. I would've sheeped him too if he did this, but he just was so meek that I was like okay if you have no reads of you're own I'm going with my gut on this, you can do w/e you want.
I tried to bait him a bit but I'm actually still surprised he just randomly sheeped me instead of doing his own thing and telling me to fuck off. Like, he asked rayn and Koshi if their votes were pliable earlier in the game and tried to sheep on Jock rather than attempting to convince them of his own reads. Since when does VE actually try to consolidate on townies??
It felt like it was forced because I was calling him out on not consolidating, but after the callout he started consolidating on people he'd called town all game.
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omg I actually mistyped you're/your I am officially a dumbass
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