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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 22 2019 06:22 GMT
#2061
On May 22 2019 06:31 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 05:32 Holyflare wrote:
Can anyone seriously piece together "hf only votes and calls people mafia with sentiment" with me attacking rayn or calling igrok mafia for voting rayn? Or pointing out inconsistencies with jock like he says?

the rayn thing is super ultra obviously not true.
being the 2nd one on grok also doesnt look like sentiment. like nothing even happened after that.
you pointing out the inconsistencies of jock might have timingwise correlated or caused sentiment to form against jock (too lazy to double check rn), but everyone fucked off for obvious reasons anyways.

otherwise you only like briefly voted calix and now are back on grok. i also dont mind your interaction with calix for what it is worth.
so looking at voting alone i have to agree that this seems super untrue.

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 22 2019 06:22 GMT
#2062
On May 22 2019 07:05 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 06:43 iGrok wrote:
Hmm... I didn't actually put together that HF going for ez lynch onto Calix makes it less likely for them both to be mafia. Good catch disinfo.

##unvote calix while processing


Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 07:01 iGrok wrote:
On May 22 2019 07:00 Koshi wrote:
iGrok if you get yourself lunched over 100% Calix and 85% mafia BC.... Sad days bro.

Yeah, not really sure what to do about this. I've got to decide if Calix is mafia and HF is dumbtown or vice versa


How the fuck do you have to decide about THIS scenario.

Either I went for the easy lynch on Calix YOUR MAFIA READ as mafia or town.

But how does it make me dumb town OR mafia to do this?
How does Calix's alignment make any difference to my alignment in this scenario?

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 22 2019 06:23 GMT
#2063
On May 22 2019 07:07 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 07:05 iGrok wrote:
@HF I never voted for rayn. fake voted him in thread only, when he was making his silly fake role pm play


What am I supposed to say to this? You literally just used you calling rayn mafia and me scum reading you for it as a reason to scum read me:

Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 05:02 iGrok wrote:
@HF Rayn when people were initially annoyed, VE for aggroing on me, Me (because I called rayn mafia, when you had done the same less than 6 hours prior), Calix before she started posting much and someone called her on a weak opening summary post, Ruxxar when he went on you, Jock when Jock first started to feel upset and say fuck it, BACK to VE and rayn, and now back to me I guess? You're all over the place and its always when someone looks like a potential D1 wagon.

Seminar is back on, I'll check in a couple hours before the lynch.

Don't be dumb, guys.


So was this a lie used to shovel more shit towards me or did you not even believe your points yourself?

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 22 2019 06:23 GMT
#2064
On May 22 2019 07:11 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 07:09 iGrok wrote:
On May 22 2019 07:05 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2019 06:43 iGrok wrote:
Hmm... I didn't actually put together that HF going for ez lynch onto Calix makes it less likely for them both to be mafia. Good catch disinfo.

##unvote calix while processing


On May 22 2019 07:01 iGrok wrote:
On May 22 2019 07:00 Koshi wrote:
iGrok if you get yourself lunched over 100% Calix and 85% mafia BC.... Sad days bro.

Yeah, not really sure what to do about this. I've got to decide if Calix is mafia and HF is dumbtown or vice versa


How the fuck do you have to decide about THIS scenario.

Either I went for the easy lynch on Calix YOUR MAFIA READ as mafia or town.

But how does it make me dumb town OR mafia to do this?
How does Calix's alignment make any difference to my alignment in this scenario?

If you are going for an easy lynch on anyone you can, you are mafia.

If you are mafia, and you try to push an easy lynch on calix, calix is not mafia.

If you legit thought calix was mafia, so you tried to lynch him, you are town.

Are you with me?


Calix is your scum read, arguably the most you've talked about. Why would I be a DUMB TOWN to vote on the person you think is mafia?

You are voting calix now. I am not and really don't think we should be.

Why are our alignments opposite? Surely I did a weak push and now we're both mafia??? This reads as extremely fake, I'm not even pushing calix and I don't really think I've pushed calix strongly all game so this indecision about our alignments reads really forced.

Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9766 Posts
May 22 2019 06:23 GMT
#2065
Sorry for breaking the rules I didn't even think at the time.

I can continue to play but its up to you guys really. I don't want people to think they should lynch me and not bother because of what I said, that would suck hard and be unfair

The other option is I stop posting altogether for this game, which I'm absolutely fine with.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 22 2019 06:23 GMT
#2066
On May 22 2019 06:41 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 02:09 iGrok wrote:
On May 22 2019 01:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fuck i really want to call iGrok town for that post hahahah ;D
So good.

Which?

Also right now top scum read is HF and calix, followed by arty. least confident is BC/bugs,

Key points on Calix:
Calix
HF / Jock good, rayn bad, wbg probably good
-Honestly really basic post. easy to make if less experienced scum
stop calling me scum for sheeping, I'm gonna keep sheeping because reasons
Its a fucking VE / rayn conspiracy
Total reversal, VE/dis good, conv/rux bad
BC is scummy because he's... drawing attention away from me... by bringing me up when other lurkers are being focused more?
Rux is maybe not scum because he is admitting to having trouble making reads and calix is also
pushes rayn
-#1247 honestly lots of true points about rayn but ones that I see as NAI because my memory of rayn's meta is palmar jr



I'm not sure how any of these points lead to a calix scum read by the way. Entry post is basic - mafia, that's the extent of why she's scummy essentially?

Otherwise it's ve/rayn conspiracy that changes to not really anymore - not scummy

bc point doesn't mean anything?

ruxxar point shows calix changing a read because someone shares a townie mindset with her - not scummy?

agrees with all the rayn points and if he didn't have meta with rayn it would be good??????

conclusion is that this is the most mafia person in the game lol??????


Worst points.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 22 2019 06:24 GMT
#2067
On May 22 2019 15:23 Jockmcplop wrote:
Sorry for breaking the rules I didn't even think at the time.

I can continue to play but its up to you guys really. I don't want people to think they should lynch me and not bother because of what I said, that would suck hard and be unfair

The other option is I stop posting altogether for this game, which I'm absolutely fine with.


Please play. Fun to have you around. Have you read since you left?
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9766 Posts
May 22 2019 06:26 GMT
#2068
no not really yet, just the night post.

I'll play but won't be here as much (Not during work).
RIP Meatloaf <3
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 22 2019 06:27 GMT
#2069
That's fine. Please read igrok and then my points about him.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9766 Posts
May 22 2019 06:27 GMT
#2070
Also I have a job interview today and a band practice tonight so it'll likely be early morning/tomorrow by the time I actually start posting.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 22 2019 06:28 GMT
#2071
On May 22 2019 15:23 Jockmcplop wrote:
Sorry for breaking the rules I didn't even think at the time.

I can continue to play but its up to you guys really. I don't want people to think they should lynch me and not bother because of what I said, that would suck hard and be unfair

The other option is I stop posting altogether for this game, which I'm absolutely fine with.

Just play silly!
You are now an innocent child.

And mafia should get an extra shot. Ezpz.
I had a good night of sleep.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 22 2019 06:30 GMT
#2072
Good luck!
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9766 Posts
May 22 2019 06:31 GMT
#2073
Thanks!
Its a 5 grand payrise on what I have now for doing the same thing :O
If I get it I'll be buzzing.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 22 2019 06:37 GMT
#2074
On May 22 2019 15:31 Jockmcplop wrote:
Thanks!
Its a 5 grand payrise on what I have now for doing the same thing :O
If I get it I'll be buzzing.


You'll still be in Manchester though so it's not all positive ;D
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 22 2019 06:38 GMT
#2075
On May 22 2019 08:05 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 08:03 disformation wrote:
random shennies on koshie so i dont have to look at his filter again?
the last time i tried that i had a laughing fit?

bugs what do you think about the case on bc? we found a fairly decent point by ruxxar on bc.
though i have to agree that ruxxars activity is super garbo and he was def around to comment on jock earlier


No fuck you that “point” on BC was never pushed and it is the easiest thing ever to fake as mafia. It’s a “bad reaction” post, like if he is scum and he knows BC is town that is literally one of the easiest comments he can make and there is no reason anybody except rayn should townread him for that, especially given that he is ACTIVELY LURKING AND NOT FOLLOWING UP ON ANYTHING

Hilarious.
I had a good night of sleep.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 22 2019 06:39 GMT
#2076
On May 22 2019 15:23 Jockmcplop wrote:
Sorry for breaking the rules I didn't even think at the time.

I can continue to play but its up to you guys really. I don't want people to think they should lynch me and not bother because of what I said, that would suck hard and be unfair

The other option is I stop posting altogether for this game, which I'm absolutely fine with.


JOCK YOU'RE BACK :D I'm actually really happy cause I got sad reading that huge mess and I was really enjoying playing with you.

BTW idk if you saw this earlier but let's hydra next game (or maybe you can hydra with someone not as shitty as me). I kinda wanna hydra cause my solo scum reads are garbage and I need to work on that, plus it's super fun to chat about the game with someone you know is seeing it from a similar in-game perspective


On May 22 2019 15:13 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 12:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
as usual I don't think I have any idea what's going on this game so I'm going to step back for a long while. I can't make heads nor tails of the giant mess that happened around when HF swapped to Jock for his contradiction and that's actually made me question literally all of my townreads because people I thought would look worse look better and people I'd thought look better in some cases look worse.

I felt pretty good about HF and BC but now I'm just confused. someone help.


What the fuck have I done that makes you question those reads??? You're the one who defended and saved igrok who has the shittest logic I've ever seen. He's picked 3 random people and decided one has to be mafia in it for absolutely no reason related to in game posts and then done nothing. I've completely decimated his post on me and disfo even confirmed it and he hasn't even batted an eyelidm


read my next few posts, my read on you hasn't actually changed, and I think on principle my read on BC hasn't really changed much either, just a bit wary/bothered that he bristled on Artanis so hard. Lots of interactions to play with there though and I'm on the side of Artanis being scum for now so we'll see what happens. Actually not sure if he's my top scum read yet as I think I want to prepare something for someone else.

The main catalyst for me being utterly confused is that the jock mess actually caused rayn to shoot up townier in my reads list. Like something just went off in my head as I flashbacked to last game; I probably wouldn't have seen it if you hadn't also seen and acted on the exact same contradiction by voting.

Like my personal opinion as I was in the process of reading that entire exchange was in agreement with Calix, that what Jock posted was indeed a contradiction and that it looked pretty awful but in context of the sea of posts Jock had I didn't think it lent much to Jock being scum. However, given how rayn plays I could 100% see town rayn just completely ignoring everything else and attacking Jock for that because that's literally what he did to me last game; he picked on the fact that I was a bit too slow in explaining some particular read I had for him and then he just didn't let that go. I really didn't notice this earlier in the game because I pretty much tuned out both rayn and Koshi for a good chunk of time and haven't really reread them at all.

On May 22 2019 15:27 Holyflare wrote:
That's fine. Please read igrok and then my points about him.


Let's talk about iGrok and Calix's interaction from EoD, I want to be convinced here because I'm on the town iGrok train with rayn/koshi/maybe now Calix and want to understand more. He had a fake vote on Calix as well as rayn, but only pointed out the one on rayn. He talked about a vote on Calix as if it wasn't a fake vote, and I found that odd. Why be transparent about one and not the other? Could chalk it up to a mistake...but otherwise the crux of my read at this moment is tone/behaviour; I saw how Calix reacted to their interaction by backing off a bit on iGrok and he did a very similar thing to me on the last page when I called him out for the 1 scum 2 town thing.

Do you acknowledge those things or do you think they're not relevant here?

Lastly HF, I want you to read this string of posts from VE, and just note it, you don't have to provide thoughts yet. I'm going to make a callout of some other oddities later tonight when I have some more time and let people come to their own conclusions about what they mean.

On May 22 2019 08:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yo bugs. I'll lynch Ruxxar now. If you want. *shrug*


On May 22 2019 08:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
I mean we're secure in a lynch now, like you wanted. But like...I could maybe lynch ruxx. You're right, the resistance was real.


On May 22 2019 08:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
Only if you stop calling me mafia though, and stop freaking the fuck out.

Then I'll switch my vote.


On May 22 2019 08:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
Also if ruxxar flips town I’m killing anyone who townread him

omg then you can fuck yourself I'll just kill MY scumread. LOL
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 22 2019 06:39 GMT
#2077
On May 22 2019 08:08 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 08:06 disformation wrote:
also not 100% sure if ruxxar qualifies for caught scum when you are the only one voting him?


I want to pull my hair out

He fucking posted a huge nonsense post on HF the moment he knew I had traction on him, destroying all of the hard work I did. YOU ARE ONE OF THE PLAYERS WHO STOPPED VOTING HIM

I’ve done my part. You all are just fucking hopeless at this point

Gets better.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 22 2019 06:41 GMT
#2078
On May 22 2019 08:25 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 08:22 iGrok wrote:
I've only got three points on rux. 1 null, 1 town, 1 scum (#1347). Initially thought rux was scummy but others have been more active, generating more scum points.

If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux.

Still don't know wtf to think about HF/Calix. there's something I'm just not seeing.
Calix did soft defend rux once but thats not a major point either...


Okay come on. You now want to kill ruxxar after WBG the guy who really wants ruxxar dead comes in?

Sorry WBG but I can't. I cannot believe this guy is town when his reads just always align with whatever is easy.

Fluent consistency is not easy to fake as mafia.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 22 2019 06:42 GMT
#2079
On May 22 2019 08:28 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 08:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
I mean we're secure in a lynch now, like you wanted. But like...I could maybe lynch ruxx. You're right, the resistance was real.


Let’s kill him then

Wbg you were born in MURICA right?
Honest question.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 22 2019 06:42 GMT
#2080
On May 22 2019 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
Also if ruxxar flips town I’m killing anyone who townread him

How dare we!
I had a good night of sleep.
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