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On May 06 2019 05:39 Fecalfeast wrote:Also koshi said he was going to be 'rayn 2.0' with rayn's list. This should probably mean the rest of rayn's list is incorrect? Show nested quote +On May 03 2019 05:54 Koshi wrote:On May 03 2019 04:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax
Wherebugsgo
Pandain
(Fecalfeast)
VE is never mafia for anyone who will question it later. He is just too invested in teh game, i think that was the only unexplained read i had. Goodluck. ##Vote wherebugsgo MZ sounds like a good place to start. Low activity for a newb on a team of afk scum sounds totally accurate
Unfortunately I think it is a huge boost for Bugs and to a lesser extent me but since you were so far down the line it doesn't help you that much. You were more an addendum than anything else.
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Can I ask why you very heavily think that FF is town?
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I just want to note that Grack is a notorious shenanigan player, and I would not put it past him at all bussing both vivax and koshi even though I think it unlikely.
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Was just about to post this. Definitely a plus for MZ and a negative for Grack.
However, I want to point out that it's entirely possible they just shot him because he's a good player who was town. I actually think there's almost no chance mafia shot you because medic would protect you, so the question is who else would they shoot? Realistically only bugs and BC.
They were clearly still aiming to put suspicion on wherebugsgo (as we see from Koshi's post)
On May 06 2019 01:30 Koshi wrote:
Both hf and rayn pointed heavily at wbg. Probably not a bad bet for mafia.
On May 03 2019 21:12 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2019 03:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyways i think vivax + bugs + pandain is a reasonable option for mafia.
Murder Vivax please if he is not dead come D2. I read rayn filter and I will just be rayn 3.0. This is because Koshi = rayn 2.0 and now I absorbed rayn 1.0.
They weren't ever going to shoot me since there was still some suspicion on me, and everyone else as well.
So the best shot, even ignoring anything BC said and even if he was wrong on everything was still probably BC.
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Grack what is your opinion on me and MZ?
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On May 06 2019 06:35 Fecalfeast wrote:
why not shoot ve tho? most universally townread player who is mad active
basically if VE and I are in final 3 im voting ve
If I was mafia I would never shoot VE. He was the obvious medic save. By far.
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On May 05 2019 02:16 Grackaroni wrote:
I think we should lynch Pandain.
After rereading his filter I don't like that he makes such a hard turn into being super sure Vivax is the best lynch at the end of the day and tries to milk the credit for voting him for all that it's worth. Rayn put him in a spot where he pretty much had to vote Vivax but there wasn't much chance of Vivax actually dying at the end of the day when the only people posting were me/Pandain/Rayn.
I don't like this post at all. First of all, the last sentence is extremely and obviously false, and looks like he's just trying to make up stuff. The idea I felt forced by Rayn to vote Vivax is extremely ridiculous and I'm not sure how anyone actually can come to that conclusion, particuarly since he was there when it was happening.
But second of all, and more importantly, it actually reveals his own mindset during the lynch. Grack, in his own words, thought there was very little chance of Vivax dying. Unlike me, and it basically completely negates his own vote on Vivax.
On May 05 2019 02:23 Grackaroni wrote:From the way I saw it Vivax was a pretty good lynch just from lynching into a player that wasn't posting (and also is bad at scum) without having any strong scum reads but I didn't think he had all that much better odds of flipping mafia than most of the other players from just his two posts. I think Pandain really played up the end of the day vote after Rayn said he wanted to vote Vivax. This reads to me like: "now that I'm bussing I want to get as much credit as possible from the vote." Show nested quote +On May 02 2019 04:52 Pandain wrote:
Vivax is a great lynch. He's always obvious town when he's town and super active. Compare that with this game where it is not obvious at all and he's barely contributed (but enough to "pass") Show nested quote +On May 02 2019 04:53 Pandain wrote:
Grack join the train. You know me and you are mafia bros. Let's lynch scum together. Show nested quote +On May 02 2019 04:54 Pandain wrote:
Who else is here? There's gotta be mafia lurking. Show nested quote +On May 02 2019 04:57 Pandain wrote:
Fuck I think Vivax was the best lynch actually. Where is everyone.
This also makes no sense. I was trying to get as much credit as possible from the bus? But actually I was only able to get credit because Vivax was modkilled, something no one could have predicted day one.
And in his own words, "Vivax was very unlikely to get lynched." So in that scenario I would have never gotten any credit (because no flip), and instead I would have just thrown Vivax under the bus for day 2.
On May 05 2019 02:56 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2019 04:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax
Wherebugsgo
Pandain
(Fecalfeast)
VE is never mafia for anyone who will question it later. He is just too invested in teh game, i think that was the only unexplained read i had. Goodluck. Fwiw I bet Rayn had 2 of these reads right. I don't think he got killed just over Vivax.
Trying to sheep Rayn's analysis, which is the same exact thing mafia koshi tried to do. Seems mafia was trying to get people to follow dead town Rayn's analysis, and Grack is doing the same thing here.
I also don't like how he hardcore defended HF and said he's super obviously townie.
On May 05 2019 02:10 Grackaroni wrote:
What the fuck guys.
Holyflare's filter is super super townie.
This is the weakest of my points. But I don't think it was actually obvious and there were lots of good points made against him. I think dismissing them like this suggests inside knowledge.
Anyway just some thoughts. I'm going to do meta analysis tomorrow if I have time. Still not placing a vote but definitely more suspicious of Grack.
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The strongest plus for Grack is that at the end of last night he was seriously questioning Koshi. It's a big plus, admittedly, although it's impossible to know what he would have actually done once the day started if Koshi hadn't died.
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I disagree with claiming. I think this game is going really well for town but the one way to ruin it is we believe a fake claim.
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On May 05 2019 03:15 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 03:03 Pandain wrote:On May 05 2019 02:16 Grackaroni wrote:
I think we should lynch Pandain.
After rereading his filter I don't like that he makes such a hard turn into being super sure Vivax is the best lynch at the end of the day and tries to milk the credit for voting him for all that it's worth. Rayn put him in a spot where he pretty much had to vote Vivax but there wasn't much chance of Vivax actually dying at the end of the day when the only people posting were me/Pandain/Rayn. None of this is true. First of all I had a strong scum read on him, but it wasn't "certain" by any means . Second, Rayn didn't put me in any position and I'm not sure what this means at all. I could have easily not tried to change the lynch, or lynch bugs (Rayn top scum read), or just go afk. So this is completely false. Third, we had no idea how much chance there was. Normally end of day is very active and inactive people come back last 20 or so minutes. There were four non voters which us huge. You asked Rayn if he would switch to Rels. He said he the only vote he would switch to was Vivax. It would look really strange imo if you came out against lynching Vivax after expressing interest in switching up the vote, so I don't see you ever not voting Vivax as scum in that position. If you wanted a WBG lynch then conceivably you would have voted him already.
Do you really believe this? Do you believe that as scum because I expressed interest in lynching someone else I would have to lynch my mafia teammate because rayn said he would maybe switch to vivax?
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Am I the only one to see how ludicrous this is? I recommend people to go check out the conversation in question (only about a couple pages before the n1 post) for context.
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I mean it's not just that. It's that specifically his reason for down playing my vivax is that I was "forced", which is a crazy idea that only makes sense if I had had a strong scum read on vivax before (I had never mentioned vivax)
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My vivax vote*
Grack there's a reason I haven't voted you, it's because I haven't made up my mind. I just want you to explain prior reasons you gave
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On May 06 2019 08:33 Grackaroni wrote:
We can’t believe a fake claim because town can just counter claim and win
Not if there's no counter claim. For instance no cop and they claim cop, or no medic and they claim medic
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It's obvious he didn't make it. But that's not alignment indicative at all to promise to make a list post and then not. Towniest literally all the time. I do it all the time.
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That's not my question. You said that based on how the day went I was compelled to vote for Vivax. I had to. Really?
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Slam you here?
It's hard to get a read on Slam when he's only active for 25 minutes during the day, and when I asked him a question before on why he wants to vote me he only says its because I'm "iffy"
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I think FF is town. I think he's one of those players who is always hard to read so my read isn't that strong, but he's been contributing original and genuine points, not just making useless points, and seems to be playing different than his last two scum games.
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Okay I'm not sold on MZ. I don't think anything he's done is that scummy besides asking a lot of questions early on, which is suspicious but not conclusive in and of itself.
First of all, I think he's playing pretty similar to his last town game in Fibbonaci (Compare Here: tl.net)
Then I really like these three posts
On May 06 2019 06:08 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2019 05:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
Heh that guy just called MZ a newb.
So like, everyone good with MZ>Slam or... Lol that legitimately hurt me I really can't promise great activity and we've got a ton of mislynches to burn so I'm fine taking the L today. Let's talk about tomorrow. I'm not sold on slam as scum but I'll try and read him today. If we're going on the assumption scum was super inactive this game then FF is also a possibility.
Is okay with getting lynched given circumstances, still wants to talk about other people. Good town mindset.
On May 04 2019 03:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Ok two hours to go.
I want to do shenanigans. HF not around to defend or explain his actions is making me not like the bugs lynch more and more.
Like I said early game, I'd rather not just lynch through the most active voices who find themselves on the wrong thread sentiment.
I would like to go after Rels for the tmi post and complete afk. After the death of the gf I'd imagine scum morale is pretty low and if townies are pointing fingers at townies their best strategy is to lurk.
Being obviously wrong about when the time is. I actually don't think mafia fakes things like this often, so I think he genuinely thought lynch was soon. Mafia tends to view QTs before they post and in general have a better idea of deadlines, so its a town plus for me.
On May 06 2019 06:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2019 06:14 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 06 2019 06:08 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 06 2019 05:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
Heh that guy just called MZ a newb.
So like, everyone good with MZ>Slam or... Lol that legitimately hurt me I really can't promise great activity and we've got a ton of mislynches to burn so I'm fine taking the L today. Let's talk about tomorrow. I'm not sold on slam as scum but I'll try and read him today. If we're going on the assumption scum was super inactive this game then FF is also a possibility. Ya give everyone a read - if you're good with taking the flip today then everything you post will be useful afterward. I'm not sure how closely you're following, but in the spirit of saving time, me and Bugs are basically clear and we have the largest, most daunting filters. If you left us out of your thoughts, I wouldn't be offended. Yeah like I said earlier you're my strongest townread, I'll give you a skim but I'm gonna focus on unknowns. Lowkey glad BC got shot bc I was not getting town vibes from him but he must have died for a reason so I guess I'll start there.
I am also lowkey glad BC got shot, and the fact MZ says this hints to me that if he was mafia he probably would understand shooting BC was not the best move.
There are still suspicious things about him, but for right now the order for me is Grack -> Slam -> MZ
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