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Probably correct but op says no such thing and theres no given mafia vig role. It would have to be factional 1 time kp which is sneaky from mods. It also means a pretty bad slip from panda.
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On May 04 2019 09:32 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 09:12 Holyflare wrote:On May 04 2019 08:49 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 08:45 Holyflare wrote:On May 04 2019 07:56 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 07:54 Alakaslam wrote:On May 04 2019 07:53 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 01:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's a Jeep tell from MafiaScum, I'm sure I've explained it in your presence before.
Players who do things like congratulate the doctor on a successful save tend to be mafia. What Pandain is like the reverse of it, try to appear town by talking about how much it would suck to be mafia after the GF got killed. This is a horrible "tell" . Also it would suck to be mafia. Like I would be beyond pissed if I was mafia, especially if HF is actually cop and checked bugs (which I 100% doubt because Bugs seems super super town to me) how many mafia are left It's a good question. I can't help but think Doc actually saved someone or a vet got shot, because let's realize that only one person died. And I think it would be super weird for mafia to have 1kp. Anyway that doesn't answer your question. If I had to guess 2 more? Wtf kind of theory is this by the way? Where does it say anything about any kind of extra mafia kp role in op? Are you trying really badly to fake a dumb tell? I even had to read the op to make sure. I hooe you're impressed. No my point is that only one person died. So are we just assuming that mafia has one kp? Probably not, then town would be hugely advantaged. So the fact that only one person died suggests there was a medic save or a vet got shot. What games have you played in when mafia have more than 1kp in a normal sized game? Ok I was just going off the top of my head, I'm not an expert on balance. 1KP just seemed low compared to the 2KP last game and 3KPin end of the world mafia. Honestly if you both want to lynch me because I miscaculated what KP should be off the top of my head go ahead. Going for these "gotcha" moments instead of actual scumhunting is one of the reasons why the town play on these forums tends to be pretty low.
Way to trivialise it. This is just one of many points against.
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Also doc, you can apparently heal the same target twice in a row. Congrats, you're OP medic 
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Also fuck me I had some super spicy wings at dinner and everything I touch has become pain. RIP genitals.
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On May 04 2019 09:35 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 09:34 Holyflare wrote:On May 04 2019 09:32 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 09:12 Holyflare wrote:On May 04 2019 08:49 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 08:45 Holyflare wrote:On May 04 2019 07:56 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 07:54 Alakaslam wrote:On May 04 2019 07:53 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 01:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's a Jeep tell from MafiaScum, I'm sure I've explained it in your presence before.
Players who do things like congratulate the doctor on a successful save tend to be mafia. What Pandain is like the reverse of it, try to appear town by talking about how much it would suck to be mafia after the GF got killed. This is a horrible "tell" . Also it would suck to be mafia. Like I would be beyond pissed if I was mafia, especially if HF is actually cop and checked bugs (which I 100% doubt because Bugs seems super super town to me) how many mafia are left It's a good question. I can't help but think Doc actually saved someone or a vet got shot, because let's realize that only one person died. And I think it would be super weird for mafia to have 1kp. Anyway that doesn't answer your question. If I had to guess 2 more? Wtf kind of theory is this by the way? Where does it say anything about any kind of extra mafia kp role in op? Are you trying really badly to fake a dumb tell? I even had to read the op to make sure. I hooe you're impressed. No my point is that only one person died. So are we just assuming that mafia has one kp? Probably not, then town would be hugely advantaged. So the fact that only one person died suggests there was a medic save or a vet got shot. What games have you played in when mafia have more than 1kp in a normal sized game? Ok I was just going off the top of my head, I'm not an expert on balance. 1KP just seemed low compared to the 2KP last game and 3KPin end of the world mafia. Honestly if you both want to lynch me because I miscaculated what KP should be off the top of my head go ahead. Going for these "gotcha" moments instead of actual scumhunting is one of the reasons why the town play on these forums tends to be pretty low. Way to trivialise it. This is just one of many points against. The only okay points are lack of activity night one and fake inconsistencies regarding Jock, which I addressed and you never responded to. It absolutely was not inconsistent at all.
I didn't like your response and chose to ignore it in favour of my perceived chain of events which makes you look pretty scummy if I do say so myself.
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On May 04 2019 10:25 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 10:23 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 04 2019 10:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I was asked about Mafia KP.
Mafia KP is fixed at 1. k now we can stop speculating on useless stuff It was in the OP, your dumbtell is not accepted.
It absolutely wasn't, trust me
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On May 04 2019 11:40 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 11:31 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 04 2019 11:20 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 09:48 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 04 2019 09:44 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 09:39 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 04 2019 09:32 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 09:24 wherebugsgo wrote:
Pandain what do you think of MZ, given that you think BC is scum? Who would you lynch today?
If you have notes on the game, now’s the time.. Dude my thoughts on MZ are literally in the same post, what are you even thinking. And I literally voted dude. I’m asking you to resynthesize. idgaf if you posted something before, and I don’t care much that you voted either. If you believe BC is scum why aren’t you trying to convince others to join you? I don't have unlimited time to play this game. In fact to the contrary, I usually have very limited time. It's why I prioritize and choose useful times I can post (and the main reason I was okay playing a bad n1, since I was unlikely to die). If you want me to restate things becuase you hope to catch me contradicting me previously, than you should realize I can just look at previous posts and make sure that happens. Conversely, if I'm town, what I say shouldn't be different anwyay. And who I want to lynch is probably who I voted... And I made like 3-4 posts, no one even responded. At this point it's clear people have made up their mind one way or the other. I don't have anything new to add, I might switch to a MZ counterwagon if it's the only way to save myself. Maybe if I had a free day tomorrow I would spam post to save myself, but unfortunately I don't. The only closing words I'll say to townies is even if you're pretty sure I'm mafia, look at other people. And hopefully you realize that at least I shouldn't be lynched "today" You don’t have that much time so you spend a bunch of time speculating about kp and posting this drivel instead of just explaining your read further? Can you point me to the posts you made which you think no one responded to? I made a post off the cuff about kp that happened to be wrong and then got called out. It is what it is. At the time it was the BC post, no one commented about it at all outside of a joke post by VE, now I see some comments which is good. I don't have much to add, you can agree with it or not. Let’s work together in whatever time you have. I’m not sure if I can prevent a lynch on you nor do I know if I want to at this point but if you are town then I’m basically your only defender. Let’s imagine you are correct about BC being scum. 1. Do you find any interactions between other players and BC/vice versa that stood out to you? 2. Specifically on MZ, if BC died and flipped scum would you feel more or less confident on MZ? I thought BC thinking both me and grack are his top mafia reads as complete crazy considering we helped lead the vivax lynch. But apparently you guys have rampant bussing issues in the past so I guess it's null, but I do find it surprising he didn't at least mention it. I didn't read too much into their interaction. Could be anything. I'm 90% convinced one of HF or BC is mafia (No I'm not going to get into HF. I just think his play is lazy this game and not good. It's more a gut feeling than anything concrete. )
I agree that hf guy is really phoning it in. Definitely just a lazy guy though.
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On May 04 2019 12:14 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 12:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
bugs as for a questions for you.
Who would you say is currently controlling the flow of this game player wise? IE who has the most influence currently. no one. If I had to pick one player, the closest would be HF.
We're all doomed.
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On May 04 2019 12:36 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 12:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's why I think HF's play is so strong - he mixes the old style of play where he can string more than three sentences together in a post with the newer style of play where he's aware of the thread and interacts with it a lot...and it comes across as opportunistic and scummy in a really general sense, so it makes him hard to read by default. he's not aware of the thread though, he's been consistently wrong about how events have unfolded and this has been pointed out several times already. Look at some of my rebuttals to him, for example. It's basically like he's coming in periodically, catching up and not actually spending time trying to figure out alignments, just finding surface-level things to nitpick and blow out of proportion.
I'm not gonna lie I'm really busy and that's almost eerily accurate to exactly how I'm playing this game though.
It's a lie I'm not aware of the thread though, I just don't allude to everything I'm thinking.
I'll break it down:
I didn't and still don't like Pandain's day 1. I don't care if it's how you felt and if vivax was on Jock, Jock was a good vote that Pandain supported it but at every opportunity was wishy washy af about joining it ESPECIALLY as his reason for voting rels was pointed out as incorrect repeatedly. Yeah, you and he call it hedging and whatever but to me it doesn't look like hedging, it now looks quite like he may have seen a mafia partner on Jock and not wanted to join it.
I didn't like all the credit he's trying to take for the vivax flip or how he talked about being banned for just bussing in one breath while then changing his tune to saying another thing about bussing in another breath. I think his post on BC isn't exactly wrong in any regard but it looks very much like just a deflection to someone equally afk rather than a constructive scum read.
I'd probably vote a lurker over him at this point though like mz who just asks questions over and over again but doesn't really contribute anything himself. Maybe actually alakaslam who I forgot was even in the game.
Bugs, I dunno about you. I genuinely thought you were mafia and still hedge over you repeatedly. I look for how people spend their little time in the game and you spent an inordinate amount of time defending Pandian n1 before Pandain had even commented on anything. Your narrative didn't gel with my own meta on Pandain in the slightest and certainly, after just playing with him, his 1 game meta feels wildly different from last game did. That's why I claimed a red check on you. Partly to see how you'd react, which was horribly, pretty much just accepting my check was real and assuming you were a miller and that I'd never do this as mafia while simultaneously trying to shit all over it and give situations where I'm mafia. I think your Pandain repeated defence this cycle isn't necessarily out of character based on your n1 but it seems like that was all you were doing.
On May 04 2019 12:36 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 12:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's why I think HF's play is so strong - he mixes the old style of play where he can string more than three sentences together in a post with the newer style of play where he's aware of the thread and interacts with it a lot...and it comes across as opportunistic and scummy in a really general sense, so it makes him hard to read by default. he's not aware of the thread though, he's been consistently wrong about how events have unfolded and this has been pointed out several times already. Look at some of my rebuttals to him, for example. It's basically like he's coming in periodically, catching up and not actually spending time trying to figure out alignments, just finding surface-level things to nitpick and blow out of proportion.
I'm not gonna lie I'm really busy and that's almost eerily accurate to exactly how I'm playing this game though.
It's a lie I'm not aware of the thread though, I just don't allude to everything I'm thinking.
I'll break it down:
I didn't and still don't like Pandain's day 1. I don't care if it's how you felt and if vivax was on Jock, Jock was a good vote that Pandain supported it but at every opportunity was wishy washy af about joining it ESPECIALLY as his reason for voting rels was pointed out as incorrect repeatedly. Yeah, you and he call it hedging and whatever but to me it doesn't look like hedging, it now looks quite like he may have seen a mafia partner on Jock and not wanted to join it.
I didn't like all the credit he's trying to take for the vivax flip or how he talked about being banned for just bussing in one breath while then changing his tune to saying another thing about bussing in another breath. I think his post on BC isn't exactly wrong in any regard but it looks very much like just a deflection to someone equally afk rather than a constructive scum read.
I'd probably vote a lurker over him at this point though like mz who just asks questions over and over again but doesn't really contribute anything himself. Maybe actually alakaslam who I forgot was even in the game.
Bugs, I dunno about you. I genuinely thought you were mafia and still hedge over you repeatedly. I look for how people spend their little time in the game and you spent an inordinate amount of time defending Pandian n1 before Pandain had even commented on anything. Your narrative didn't gel with my own meta on Pandain in the slightest and certainly, after just playing with him, his 1 game meta feels wildly different from last game did. That's why I claimed a red check on you. Partly to see how you'd react, which was horribly, pretty much just accepting my check was real and assuming you were a miller and that I'd never do this as mafia while simultaneously trying to shit all over it and give situations where I'm mafia. I think your Pandain repeated defence this cycle isn't necessarily out of character based on your n1 but it seems like that was all you were doing.
This is pretty much just a ramble and mostly to just get my thoughts across. I realise it doesn't say really anything but I don't care. I dunno if I'm just not invested in mafia anymore or if I'm just busy but it feels unfun to play this game. I think it might be mainly the activity of other people and I just got tired of talking to mafia reads while everyone else afks. In fact that's most likely it. Tbh even my mafia read afkd so maybe it's just everyone afking I hate.
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On May 04 2019 12:48 wherebugsgo wrote:Ask yourself why town HF would dodge responding to this post: Show nested quote +On May 03 2019 07:32 wherebugsgo wrote:HF I think you played your hand too hard here On May 02 2019 07:31 Holyflare wrote:
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You say no, maybe only vivax.
Pandain comes up with reasons to vote vivax that don't really apply because vivax has proportional activity to normal since this thread isn't very long imo. Maybe he's busy? Who the fuck knows?
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On May 02 2019 07:41 Holyflare wrote:On May 02 2019 07:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay. I will let himself say what he has to say about that.
Why is Vivax not mafia? When did I say vivax wasn't mafia? I don't think he's done anything good or awful. Similarly to you. On May 02 2019 18:35 Holyflare wrote:On May 02 2019 18:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
HF do you think any of MZ, Vivax, or BC are scum? What a pointless trivial question which I've addressed already. Mz has posted shit all, could be anything. Vivax has done nothing to sway me one way or the other and didn't post anything I hated yet. BC has only made posts I've agreed with. Rayn I can't believe you fell for my posts last night. Reread them as if I'm talking about actual insects :D I will lynch bugs with you. On May 02 2019 18:53 Holyflare wrote:
Koshi/bugs/rels/vivax/pandain
Based on bugs defence of pandain tempted to take pandain out but we'll see.
Koshi hit or miss kinda like what he posted but I trained him as mafia well and he's a complete non entity. On May 02 2019 19:56 Holyflare wrote:On May 02 2019 19:37 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 02 2019 18:35 Holyflare wrote:On May 02 2019 18:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
HF do you think any of MZ, Vivax, or BC are scum? What a pointless trivial question which I've addressed already. Mz has posted shit all, could be anything. Vivax has done nothing to sway me one way or the other and didn't post anything I hated yet. BC has only made posts I've agreed with. Rayn I can't believe you fell for my posts last night. Reread them as if I'm talking about actual insects :D I will lynch bugs with you. Rayn is this scum HF being fake aggressive or town HF who thinks he's posted something but actually hasn't? I ask him about MZ, Vivax, and BC. 1. Up until this post, MZ is not at all mentioned in HF's filter. Here, HF doesn't take a stance. 2. HF did say the same thing about Vivax earlier, so sure, fine. But again, no stance. 3. "BC only made posts I've agreed with" no direct interaction besides that first weird mistake post HF had, we can come to this conclusion I suppose based on the fact that BC and HF both voted Jock but why should vote alignment matter in reading BC? So why does HF say this is a pointless question when the only thing that HF actually said was #2? 1. What has mz done since that required me to take a stance on him? Like I said, he's done shit all. Also I quite categorically do mention him in my filter. I ask him when he's going to stop fannying around not voting Jock, which now Jock has flipped town makes him look more suspicious. Regardless, I don't have enough information because he just hasn't posted enough. If anyone says they can form an opinion on him they're either lying or wrong.
2. Yup. BC, MZ, HF, at least one of you is town unless this is a bastard 4 scum setup. Come help me figure out the game while I'm still alive. As long as we're lynching me just assume I'm town. You can discard everything I say never, because I won't flip scum. HF if I'm wrong about you and these are not massive scum tells of you defending Vivax for no reason but then putting him as scum for equally no reason, please do explain yourself. Why was Vivax so special, out of the "do nothingers" that he had such a great honour of being in your kill list?
If dodging means skipping over it because it should be really obvious then yes. I didn't think what vivax had done was enough to read him anything, as stated in all of those posts.
I still don't know why, for the fourth time, you quote my poe post as if it's some revelation. It's poe, process of elimination. The list is simply people I don't town read that I think are most likely to be mafia because it's within their range. That is why vivax is there because his activity is either afk or his staple mafia play. That is why koshi, who I actually town read slightly day 1 is there, because koshi is perfectly capable of appearing town for short spans of time day 1.
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On May 04 2019 13:29 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2019 07:54 Holyflare wrote:On May 03 2019 07:53 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 03 2019 07:52 Holyflare wrote:
Hm didn't realise there was miller too. Pretty shit if it's gf miller though. how the fuck can you not realise there is a miller if you're a cop You think i read op? Hahaha Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 09:12 Holyflare wrote:On May 04 2019 08:49 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 08:45 Holyflare wrote:On May 04 2019 07:56 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 07:54 Alakaslam wrote:On May 04 2019 07:53 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 01:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's a Jeep tell from MafiaScum, I'm sure I've explained it in your presence before.
Players who do things like congratulate the doctor on a successful save tend to be mafia. What Pandain is like the reverse of it, try to appear town by talking about how much it would suck to be mafia after the GF got killed. This is a horrible "tell" . Also it would suck to be mafia. Like I would be beyond pissed if I was mafia, especially if HF is actually cop and checked bugs (which I 100% doubt because Bugs seems super super town to me) how many mafia are left It's a good question. I can't help but think Doc actually saved someone or a vet got shot, because let's realize that only one person died. And I think it would be super weird for mafia to have 1kp. Anyway that doesn't answer your question. If I had to guess 2 more? Wtf kind of theory is this by the way? Where does it say anything about any kind of extra mafia kp role in op? Are you trying really badly to fake a dumb tell? I even had to read the op to make sure. I hooe you're impressed. No my point is that only one person died. So are we just assuming that mafia has one kp? Probably not, then town would be hugely advantaged. So the fact that only one person died suggests there was a medic save or a vet got shot. What games have you played in when mafia have more than 1kp in a normal sized game? Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 09:37 Holyflare wrote:On May 04 2019 09:35 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 09:34 Holyflare wrote:On May 04 2019 09:32 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 09:12 Holyflare wrote:On May 04 2019 08:49 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 08:45 Holyflare wrote:On May 04 2019 07:56 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 07:54 Alakaslam wrote:
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how many mafia are left It's a good question. I can't help but think Doc actually saved someone or a vet got shot, because let's realize that only one person died. And I think it would be super weird for mafia to have 1kp. Anyway that doesn't answer your question. If I had to guess 2 more? Wtf kind of theory is this by the way? Where does it say anything about any kind of extra mafia kp role in op? Are you trying really badly to fake a dumb tell? I even had to read the op to make sure. I hooe you're impressed. No my point is that only one person died. So are we just assuming that mafia has one kp? Probably not, then town would be hugely advantaged. So the fact that only one person died suggests there was a medic save or a vet got shot. What games have you played in when mafia have more than 1kp in a normal sized game? Ok I was just going off the top of my head, I'm not an expert on balance. 1KP just seemed low compared to the 2KP last game and 3KPin end of the world mafia. Honestly if you both want to lynch me because I miscaculated what KP should be off the top of my head go ahead. Going for these "gotcha" moments instead of actual scumhunting is one of the reasons why the town play on these forums tends to be pretty low. Way to trivialise it. This is just one of many points against. The only okay points are lack of activity night one and fake inconsistencies regarding Jock, which I addressed and you never responded to. It absolutely was not inconsistent at all. I didn't like your response and chose to ignore it in favour of my perceived chain of events which makes you look pretty scummy if I do say so myself. Highlighting these three primarily because he fake claims (whatever he does it a lot) however does it and didnt read the OP to realize the chance of a miller existed. The key part to this is the not reading the OP. Follow that into the 2nd quote. That is the statement pandain made that warranted HF to vote for him. Which given all the other content going around the thread was a pretty weak statement to jump on. Moreso because it was lack of reading the OP related that HF himself is guilty of. Now the third quote. Literally stating that he is ignoring what someone said in favour of his own views. If he truly believed Pandain is mafia, he would be able to use pandains words as a reasons for this and actions, not just ignore them and make up ones own version of the events. Pretty sure he also dodged MZ's questions when MZ wanted to know about the shit related to the fakeclaim.
Don't really care and you'll shoot yourself in the foot when you know the extent of it.
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Who was it that has given koshi a pass by the way? Was only recently but cba to check. If you have come around on Pandain somehow and have bugs as a town read then Koshi is literally just afking and pretending to sheep rayn as a do nothing clause on your two town reads. Unless it was bugs himself and then that's even worse.
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On May 04 2019 18:19 Holyflare wrote:
Who was it that has given koshi a pass by the way? Was only recently but cba to check. If you have come around on Pandain somehow and have bugs as a town read then Koshi is literally just afking and pretending to sheep rayn as a do nothing clause on your two town reads. Unless it was bugs himself and then that's even worse.
Was ve and ff. Interesting.
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Decided it doesn't mean anything for now. Don't let Koshi pass though he hasn't got any original thoughts which is quite bad.
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Something that also probably means something is that he hasn't tried to insult me yet either.
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Actually made me read Koshi's filter and god damn is that guy just doing shit all.
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And whoever said I called the game really easy and have done nothing with that, talk about opportunistic as fuck cherry picking, that was when I was fake claiming a cop check saying I've caught mafia.
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I'm currently visiting my parents and viewing houses so if you keep me in for at least this cycle I'll be home Sunday evening onwards and it's a bank holiday so at least you'll have ignited some kind of flame in me by then to play and I'll be at a pc instead. That's where I'm at my most dangerous.
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And I'll let you in on a little secret, most of my power and being ok-good as town only ever came from conversational play. Its true my gameplay has decreased recently but only because everyone else has fucked off and become afk and I guess so have I. I'm a tone reader more than anything and when I don't get to interact all I'm left with is facts and facts are bad because townies do bad shit all the time unfortunately.
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On May 04 2019 20:27 Pandain wrote:
@HF yes I was wishy washy on Jock. Of course I agreed with points that made him suspicious but it didn't mean I felt it meant anything very significant.
It's day 1 dude what do you want. And I was very transparent the whole day that I was iffy on Jock, it's not like I was gungho about him and then trying to lynch people who voted him later
Yes I know your point of view. I just have my own assumption about it.
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