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On May 02 2019 07:14 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2019 03:16 Pandain wrote:On May 02 2019 02:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 02 2019 00:44 Pandain wrote: FIXED POST I am confused about why Jock suddenly became an asshole in this thread when the last two games he was super nice and if anything apologetic. Also his blogs are fun to read so I'm sort of shocked. I don't think he's a bad lynch and might switch to him if the votes are close. Also this is concerning: On May 01 2019 11:23 Jockmcplop wrote: On May 01 2019 10:35 wherebugsgo wrote: On May 01 2019 10:29 Jockmcplop wrote: On May 01 2019 08:54 Holyflare wrote:
Oh well nothing more to add really. I think jock is way out of character and the town read(s) are pretty unjustified here. Out of character compared to when I was mafia? You gonna ignore my previous post? You should answer this, and don't even think about skipping any of the questions: Can you define what makes people suspicious? What types of things are suspicious and why would they be indicators someone is mafia instead of town?
Have you read Incognito's guide? What do you think your #1 priority should be if you are a townie? Regardless of your alignment, at your current rate, you should know you're going to be dead. In addition to that, let's see your reads. #1 priority as town for me is finding scum. And then proceedes to be super lukewarm about scum reads and doesn't scumhunt at all. You really think mafia claims this and then does the complete opposite? You'd need to be really dumb if you didn't realise this is exactly where it gets you and i wouldn't say that's a really good strategy. But it's okay, maybe the 70% of the game can talk about something else after D1 since you're gonna have your lynch. Mafia literally does it all the time. It's precisely inherently mafia to say good things and then not do them or follow them Show nested quote +On May 02 2019 03:18 Pandain wrote:
Also more importantly it's not a dumb silly contradiction that could be overlooked. It's a mindset contradiction Show nested quote +On May 02 2019 03:18 Pandain wrote:
I mean he could be town perhaps even likely. Im not even voting him. But it's day 1 so do what you do Show nested quote +On May 02 2019 03:37 Pandain wrote:
Why are you not against the lynch when you said there was only a five percent chance he's scum Show nested quote +On May 02 2019 03:38 Pandain wrote:
That makes no sense and is super scummy regardless of jocks alignment Show nested quote +On May 02 2019 04:01 Pandain wrote:
If you think there's almost no chance someone is scum why are you perfectly okay with his lynch This guy is suspect numero uno. Anybody that uses the phrase "that's scummy regardless of Jock's alignment" is a guy that has tmi and makes it want to look like he's weighing up his options. Let us also not forget that he agreed with all the points on Jock, fought against rayn that jock looked scummy, said rayn was scummy for not trying to save his town read and then dropped it all to try and shenanigan with rayn. Let us also not forget that Pandain wanted to lynch rels (based on incorrect meta that was highlighted several times already) despite a wagon building on Jock, his also scum read, to make rels active again. Then when that didn't take off, Pandain, master of misdirection, avoided joining the jock wagon (his scum read) again for terrible shenanigans. Then when Jock, his scum read, flipped town (after pandain said he's probably town for no discernable reason why arguing that he was still mafia) Pandain decides to call the entire wagon on Jock, his scum read, and also maybe town read, mafia. No thanks. You mafia mate. Lynch Pandain when I'm gone.
Decent argument but unfortunately it fails to keep in mind one key thing. It's day 1, and any of my reads are weak. So yes, I agreed with Jock playing weird and even suspiciously. I stated as such and even stated that I don't think he was a bad lynch. But that doesn't mean I was completely or even [b] mostly [b] convinced he was mafia. And when you're saying that I was trying to get Rels lynched despite being suspicious of jock, you totally fail to fucking realize I was more suspicious of rels than jock, so your whole argument is moot because I wanted to lynch someone who I thought was more suspicious.
So when I switched to someone rayn pointed out was actually a good chance of being mafia , vivax, of course I finally switched and stayed.
Also yes I read that rels sucks as day 1 even as town, but honestly I personally don't know that and I never really just "trust" people on what they say about other's people's metas. All I know is Rels played like how he did exactly when he was mafia with me.
But especially as he didn't post at all by the end of the day, which is very different than just lurking for mosting of it, I didn't really feel confident with him either and that would just be a chance lynch. And I grew more convinced Jock was town near the end because of the complete lack of activity (there was only me and grack and rayn for the last hour), which doesn't seem like it would be likely if jock was mafia.
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Why he voted for Vivax is up to him to explain but generally it all makes sense because you know he didnt think jock is mafia...
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On May 03 2019 04:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2019 04:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Although at this point I feel that one of HF/Rayn/Bugs could be mafia. Unsure of who. Bugs as mafia (in the past) when I have played with him has been super aggressive similar to how aggressive I can be and hes not this game. However I disagree with basically all his reads and I think he should be better than that.
I personally find reading HF and Rayn insanely hard and until I am 100% sure one of them is mafia I am not prepared for the potential shit storm that creates.
Also i am heavily disappointed in this part of your post. You are super pushy and all that shit but when it comes to certain people you fear(?) that you might not get the edge of them even if they are mafia? what the fuck is this shit even? Just call someone mafia if you think they are mafia, what game are you playing?
Remember end of the world? I am currently not committed enough to an opinion to literally shit a thread up. You and HF will spam hard defend yourself and I have to believe bugs would given my past interactions with him in old games. Currently as I'm not 100% why would I potentially derail a thread to let mafia hide in (in the chance im wrong).
Remember I was mafia in end of world where the shit with HF played to mafia advantage and pushing the right way led to a clusterfuck of a thread. Id like to avoid that.
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He says he's got Meta with MZ, that his style feels like mafia from games past. Does his reticence MAKE him mafia? Not in my opinion, he's stated he doesn't want to "tip off MZ" or whatever, which I HAVE seen from townies.
Will it make him mafia if he continues to give no reasoning past N1? We can definitely have that talk.
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On May 03 2019 04:42 Pandain wrote:
Also yes I read that rels sucks as day 1 even as town, but honestly I personally don't know that and I never really just "trust" people on what they say about other's people's metas. All I know is Rels played like how he did exactly when he was mafia with me.
You dont trust meta when almost every player in the game says so in either words or actions (aka not voting for him)?
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With suspicions on me there's no real chance I'm getting shot tonight, so I'm going to finish some work I had to do tonight since I'm not worried about dying.
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On May 03 2019 04:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Mostly caught up at the moment.
Pandain/Grack are both shady to me thus far from what i've read. Mainly as both of them have been fairly active overall but the content they have both posted is basically non existent. This is very very similar to how Pandain posted in end of the world mafia. Ie situationally active and talks about things but never seriously pushes them. Trying to hard imo to appear as town while providing no effort. The next big tell for me is he actively agreed with the Jock Lynch but opted to vote for someone who hadn't started posting yet then swapped his vote with 0 stated reasons.
Grack literally had a filter of 0 content for how long it is so he is clearly around but not doing anything of value.
Although at this point I feel that one of HF/Rayn/Bugs could be mafia. Unsure of who. Bugs as mafia (in the past) when I have played with him has been super aggressive similar to how aggressive I can be and hes not this game. However I disagree with basically all his reads and I think he should be better than that.
I personally find reading HF and Rayn insanely hard and until I am 100% sure one of them is mafia I am not prepared for the potential shit storm that creates.
How can you not have a read on me when the 2 main people I've made cases on are/were BOTH your scum reads (pandain/jock) and I'm pushing bugs for what you're saying - that he's underwhelming?
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On May 03 2019 04:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
He says he's got Meta with MZ, that his style feels like mafia from games past. Does his reticence MAKE him mafia? Not in my opinion, he's stated he doesn't want to "tip off MZ" or whatever, which I HAVE seen from townies.
Will it make him mafia if he continues to give no reasoning past N1? We can definitely have that talk.
my case is:
- opening dumb question
- not pushing MZ (his scum read) over jock who he was not even sure is mafia
- his read on me and how it evolved
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On May 03 2019 04:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2019 04:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 03 2019 04:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Although at this point I feel that one of HF/Rayn/Bugs could be mafia. Unsure of who. Bugs as mafia (in the past) when I have played with him has been super aggressive similar to how aggressive I can be and hes not this game. However I disagree with basically all his reads and I think he should be better than that.
I personally find reading HF and Rayn insanely hard and until I am 100% sure one of them is mafia I am not prepared for the potential shit storm that creates.
Also i am heavily disappointed in this part of your post. You are super pushy and all that shit but when it comes to certain people you fear(?) that you might not get the edge of them even if they are mafia? what the fuck is this shit even? Just call someone mafia if you think they are mafia, what game are you playing? Remember end of the world? I am currently not committed enough to an opinion to literally shit a thread up. You and HF will spam hard defend yourself and I have to believe bugs would given my past interactions with him in old games. Currently as I'm not 100% why would I potentially derail a thread to let mafia hide in (in the chance im wrong). Remember I was mafia in end of world where the shit with HF played to mafia advantage and pushing the right way led to a clusterfuck of a thread. Id like to avoid that.
okay. my problem is i cant figure out your alignment and i would like some clues to do that. unfortunately i can't do that for you. we'll see later on in case i live.
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On May 03 2019 04:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2019 04:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 03 2019 04:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 03 2019 04:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Grack literally had a filter of 0 content for how long it is so he is clearly around but not doing anything of value.
How do you ever say this in comparison to your D1 filter? Like you literally had one fucking topic all D1 and they ended up being town, not to even mention Grack called your mislynch town. So? Compare the differences. Regardless of whether i was right or wrong (clearly i was wrong). I had a stand on a specific person. IE I made a hard call. This gives someone a starting point to analyze me. Take your pick on what you think that makes me. Grack has posted a few town reads, and aside from a justification vote on rels never gave reasons for why he thought vivax was scum or why he voted for him. Grack also madea hard stance on jock, before anyone did the same. Idk what do you expect him to do if he is telling the truth and thinks jock was town? Should he still have voted for him or what?
I expect a player who is clearly being active to play the game. A lot of his posts are either fluff / troll / non game relevant.
His hard stance on not voting Jock is fine for not voting jock. But the reasons he has for voting where he landed were non existent. Why spend more time justifying a town read than talking about your mafia read?
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I be gone for daypost. If I die, kill Paindan.
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On May 03 2019 04:46 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2019 04:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Mostly caught up at the moment.
Pandain/Grack are both shady to me thus far from what i've read. Mainly as both of them have been fairly active overall but the content they have both posted is basically non existent. This is very very similar to how Pandain posted in end of the world mafia. Ie situationally active and talks about things but never seriously pushes them. Trying to hard imo to appear as town while providing no effort. The next big tell for me is he actively agreed with the Jock Lynch but opted to vote for someone who hadn't started posting yet then swapped his vote with 0 stated reasons.
Grack literally had a filter of 0 content for how long it is so he is clearly around but not doing anything of value.
Although at this point I feel that one of HF/Rayn/Bugs could be mafia. Unsure of who. Bugs as mafia (in the past) when I have played with him has been super aggressive similar to how aggressive I can be and hes not this game. However I disagree with basically all his reads and I think he should be better than that.
I personally find reading HF and Rayn insanely hard and until I am 100% sure one of them is mafia I am not prepared for the potential shit storm that creates.
How can you not have a read on me when the 2 main people I've made cases on are/were BOTH your scum reads (pandain/jock) and I'm pushing bugs for what you're saying - that he's underwhelming?
Because almost every game you are in I waffle between you being mafia or not for at least 2 -3 game days. Literally Same with Rayn. You both have a playstyle that makes me rage as town, and cheer as mafia. Sitting back and attempting to actually see through my own bias to try and get a read is still hard given its well, n1.
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My other problem is BC that you dont struck as a person who holds back if you think someone is mafia nad that's exactly what youre doing rn and i cant figure out if it is if you are mafia or for some other reason. I dont like your reasoning for it.
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On May 03 2019 04:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2019 04:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
He says he's got Meta with MZ, that his style feels like mafia from games past. Does his reticence MAKE him mafia? Not in my opinion, he's stated he doesn't want to "tip off MZ" or whatever, which I HAVE seen from townies.
Will it make him mafia if he continues to give no reasoning past N1? We can definitely have that talk. my case is: - opening dumb question - not pushing MZ (his scum read) over jock who he was not even sure is mafia - his read on me and how it evolved
Well he actually DISCUSSED his read of you with me and I can see it.
Honestly rayn I think you're just mad. You DO get mad bro.
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nvm BC is town. final answer
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On May 03 2019 04:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2019 04:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 03 2019 04:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 03 2019 04:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Although at this point I feel that one of HF/Rayn/Bugs could be mafia. Unsure of who. Bugs as mafia (in the past) when I have played with him has been super aggressive similar to how aggressive I can be and hes not this game. However I disagree with basically all his reads and I think he should be better than that.
I personally find reading HF and Rayn insanely hard and until I am 100% sure one of them is mafia I am not prepared for the potential shit storm that creates.
Also i am heavily disappointed in this part of your post. You are super pushy and all that shit but when it comes to certain people you fear(?) that you might not get the edge of them even if they are mafia? what the fuck is this shit even? Just call someone mafia if you think they are mafia, what game are you playing? Remember end of the world? I am currently not committed enough to an opinion to literally shit a thread up. You and HF will spam hard defend yourself and I have to believe bugs would given my past interactions with him in old games. Currently as I'm not 100% why would I potentially derail a thread to let mafia hide in (in the chance im wrong). Remember I was mafia in end of world where the shit with HF played to mafia advantage and pushing the right way led to a clusterfuck of a thread. Id like to avoid that. okay. my problem is i cant figure out your alignment and i would like some clues to do that. unfortunately i can't do that for you. we'll see later on in case i live.
Eh? if you can't figure out mine based on what I have posted but have such a hard town read on grack (which is what your defense of him felt like)
Then i'm not sure how I can help you beyond what I am doing
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On May 03 2019 04:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My other problem is BC that you dont struck as a person who holds back if you think someone is mafia nad that's exactly what youre doing rn and i cant figure out if it is if you are mafia or for some other reason. I dont like your reasoning for it.
exactly. IF I THINK they are mafia. I posted my top mafia reads and my reasons for them.
I think there is a high chance of 1 mafia between 3 players. I am not going to prioritize that read until it fleshes itself out among the 3 of you.
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It's an expectation thing BC. Big dicks leave long tracks in the sand behind them.
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Vivax
Wherebugsgo
Pandain
(Fecalfeast)
VE is never mafia for anyone who will question it later. He is just too invested in teh game, i think that was the only unexplained read i had. Goodluck.
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raynpelikoneet was shot.
Vivax the Mafia Godfather was modkilled for failling to meet activity requirements.
Alakaslam will replace iGrok starting immediately.
Please vote in the voting thread here before .
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