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On May 02 2019 08:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
oO
you decided jock is scum though on the same evidence???????????
go back and reread the progression of my read, it’s actually fairly obvious at the point where I agreed with the Jock case (hint: it’s when I actually voted) I had already formed my read on grack well before that.
The initial push on Jock happened, IIRC, mostly because of the crappy meta case on him. I disagreed with the meta case and even pointed it out. You can go look for both mine and grack’s posts from around the same point.
My mistake was agreeing to disagree because I had different reasons for considering Jock scum. Turns out I was just talking to someone who wasn’t interested in playing the game as town.
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On May 02 2019 09:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2019 08:57 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 02 2019 08:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 02 2019 08:50 wherebugsgo wrote:
rayn seems like you disagree with HF on pandain, care to explain why? I literally said i am going to answer this after Pandain gives his answer as i dont want to answer for him if he happens to be mafia. Which of this did you miss? not sure, I’m reading on mobile and you and HF have literally a page or two of just direct chat. If you’re around for deadline just prep a post and post it before then. Good chance one of the three of us dies if we’re all town. I’m not sure if all 3 of us are but occam’s razor suggests that to be true I do not mean to be a dick but can you have an opinion that isn't full of if's and but's?
if I have an opinion it’ll never be absolute
but you already knew that
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On May 02 2019 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay jock is dead he was town bad shit. who is scum now?
MZ
Pandain
FF
replace one with Vivax/Rels potentially.
The problem with FF, Vivax, and Rels is that they are very hard to distinguish. Rels at this rate will get replaced and if the hosts follow their rules to the T Vivax should be replaced as well. iGrok also hasn’t posted so that’s a 20% possibility.
I am more than 90% sure we have at least one scum between MZ Pandain and FF and I would give the chance of 2 at 50% or more
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Pandain btw I can see wheeling around and calling me scum easily for this read. He “thinks” I am town so let’s wait and see how he reacts to that
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On May 02 2019 09:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2019 09:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
Good chance one of the three of us dies if we’re all town. I’m not sure if all 3 of us are but occam’s razor suggests that to be true I also want to hear an explanation on this because i have no idea how you write this thing.
easy. Right now, the simplest solution for me is to assume both you and HF are town because even though I don’t agree with everything you are saying, how you are saying it and how you are (seemingly) trying to figure out the game makes it seem like you are town.
I could argue on balance that one of you should be scum but that’s not the simplest answer because it requires me to throw away my actual read on one or both of you.
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iGrok is not a non-entity, that slot has a minimum 20% chance of being scum
Obviously that’s conditional on how many scum we think are actually active but IMO that third slot is the grand question atm.
I’m fairly confident MZ is scum though. Pandain is a more recent read and Pandain is more active anyway so let’s see what happens there.
As for me justifying my read on you, that seems like a waste of time to me. Why don’t we talk about what you think the scumteam is at this point?
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On May 02 2019 09:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also why did you never ever push your read on MZ? Did you realise noone even got what your read was?
BC town, I didn’t push my read on MZ because I doubted myself and I also wasn’t insistent enough on maintaining a counter wagon.
Had Jock responded better to me I would have defended him very hard because I thought the meta case was really bad (also really HF, you should apologize for that reading comprehension insult LOL)
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On May 02 2019 09:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am pretty sure i have said what i think the scum team is atm
Pretty sure you said it was me, Vivax, and HF which I can tell you off the bat is at least 33% wrong. Also HF isn’t playing well IMO but at least for now that doesn’t make him scum.
I know you probably think you are playing transparently and townie but if you are town, then I will ask that you spend less time contributing to the thread with useless filler posts like this one and more helping others actually establish your reads, particularly your reasoning. You certainly seem to think I should be doing that but you appear to have little self-awareness that you aren’t doing that.
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actually thanks rayn, you made me realize that I have on read for not very great reasons.
BC what do you think of MZ and Pandain?
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On May 02 2019 04:05 VisceraEyes wrote:
I like to think of myself as a bit of a rayn-whisperer....
is rayn town?
What about Holyflare, Meapak, BC, and Pandain?
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On May 02 2019 09:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
can you answer my useful questions instead of commenting on "useless stuff"?
what useful questions? You're just spending time on things I've already given answers to. Here goes, the last time I'm going to explain this to you. If you want more explanations after this one to satisfy your inability to read me, consider actually being useful.
why did I push jock instead of MZ? I already answered this, if Jock had a good response I would defend him and push MZ, but Jock had really terrible responses that made me end up agreeing with the case. Agreeing with the case for different reasons = I thought he had a higher chance of flipping scum than MZ, because when different players agree for different reasons that's typically a good sign.
Also if you go and reread, there was a fair amount of resistance to MZ which I thought was coming from townies. Again, just lack of confidence from me.
Another factor honestly was that I felt even if I did push MZ nothing would come out of it because the game was very inactive.
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VE I want your opinions on this:
is rayn town?
What about Holyflare, Meapak, BC, and Pandain?
BC I want your opinions on the same list of players but replace yourself with VE
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On May 02 2019 09:59 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2019 09:40 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 02 2019 04:05 VisceraEyes wrote:
I like to think of myself as a bit of a rayn-whisperer.... is rayn town? What about Holyflare, Meapak, BC, and Pandain? Rayn feels town yeah. I think Pandain or HF made this read last game that I think is accurate that says rayn makes posts where he thinks everything is obvious to everyone else so doesn't give much reasoning. Actually it may have actually been rayn self reflecting in early game. Anyway that's how I feel abt him this game. I think it feels townie. WBG: But he's self aware making the meta useless right? He can emulate it as town. I agree generally, except when he tries it feels fakelike and agenda-laden. It fool's some. I'm less fooled.
I agree with you, and it seems like rayn took offense at me pointing out that to him just now :p
What about BC, Meapak, and Pandain?
Is HF town playing badly or mafia misleading us here? I need a bit of that VE paranoia to fuel me here
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On May 02 2019 10:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'd lynch MZ and I'd have to read abt Pandain. I think BC town. I struggle to read hF and would fear lynch him. Sry BBY. I'd fear lynch you too, but I'm less interested in doing so than with HF.
Mind reading on Pandain and BC and getting back to me, keeping in mind you want to lynch MZ? I say that because I was a bit surprised when I did that myself and want to see if you reach the same conclusions as I did
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On May 02 2019 10:04 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2019 10:01 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 02 2019 09:59 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 02 2019 09:40 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 02 2019 04:05 VisceraEyes wrote:
I like to think of myself as a bit of a rayn-whisperer.... is rayn town? What about Holyflare, Meapak, BC, and Pandain? Rayn feels town yeah. I think Pandain or HF made this read last game that I think is accurate that says rayn makes posts where he thinks everything is obvious to everyone else so doesn't give much reasoning. Actually it may have actually been rayn self reflecting in early game. Anyway that's how I feel abt him this game. I think it feels townie. WBG: But he's self aware making the meta useless right? He can emulate it as town. I agree generally, except when he tries it feels fakelike and agenda-laden. It fool's some. I'm less fooled. I agree with you, and it seems like rayn took offense at me pointing out that to him just now :p What about BC, Meapak, and Pandain? Is HF town playing badly or mafia misleading us here? I need a bit of that VE paranoia to fuel me here The paranoia comes out in force when people want to lynch me. You'll get there I'm sure.
yeah I mean I'm always a bit paranoid when it comes to you, amigo, but I've learned to embrace it and fuel my inner desires.
Though this game there are several characters I might be more paranoid about
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actually nah Pandain is not scum
HF's case is pretty trash
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On May 02 2019 10:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2019 10:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why the fuck would people want to lynch MZ?
have you played with MZ before?
If you have, compare MZ's posts in this game to that and you'll see why MZ is scum basically immediately.
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On May 02 2019 10:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Just like jock is scum?
You'll have to do a bit more on that one.
if you aren't willing to try what I said, then just wait till daytime. If I'm still alive I'll be pushing MZ tomorrow. If I'm not, that's a pretty good reason to kill him.
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rayn I think you need to step back and ask yourself what you are trying to accomplish because right now you are making very little sense.
Maybe you are right and town, but it doesnt seem like that to me. It seems to me you had the MZ suspicion and reasoning way before Jock was even a real candidate...
it seems like that to you because that's exactly how it occurred. I've had the MZ suspicion from the beginning, that never changed.
and i dont believe your reasoning you state on later quote.
I haven't bothered to explain my reasoning on MZ besides pointing out the non-vote, so I don't know how you've come to this conclusion. You haven't even tried the thing that actually made me suspicious of MZ in the first place, which was confirming I knew how to read MZ by reading his past games.
If it seems like I'm not being straightforward here that's my intention. I didn't want to taint the read or tip off MZ too much, but given that Jock was a dead-end I should have done more in hindsight. MZ's disappearance is giving me confidence, though, because I always thought that MZ is constantly scared when playing scum.
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On May 02 2019 11:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay. Am i mafia?
no, I don't think so. I think HF is more likely to be scum than you if I had to flip one of my reads.
Do you actually legitimately believe an HF & Vivax & me scum team? If me and HF were on the same team why would I argue with him over meta on Jock?
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