On April 11 2019 17:54 Palmar wrote:
We have 10 people left.

If you all are not changing your mind about lynching me and can shoot me it might be better, although assuming mafia kills 2 or something we might actually not have enough time left to do something. It's almost certain we have 2 mafia left, possibly 3 because it appears Grack got converted. This seems to be a swing mechanic so assuming normal balance, 4-ish mafia, it's very likely that it swung to 5 mafia.

If I die + 2 night kills it's going to be 4v3. If there's an additional recruitment mechanic it might be gg but I kinda doubt that would be the case as swinging to 6 mafia i just broken.

It's pretty obvious I'm getting screwed by an anti-massclaim mechanic (tubesock's role was an anti-massclaim mechanic too). Either mafia has dual roles, or was provided with fake claims. Both are quite likely.

Can't even blame the hosts, this just town being dumb.

I think it's extremely likely there is only one mafia left. And the most would be 2.

Think about how extremely powerful the mafia converting mechanic is. Even if we lynched mafia right every single day, we would still never win unless we lynched the original converter. We can assume maybe he can only convert a couple night. Even with this, there are so many town roles (that we know are town) that had win objectives to kill other towns. This suggests a lower mafia count. And an original two is not that low anyway; if you think about it odds were that you would be able to get to 4 by day 2 (and given that two are recruits it makes them more powerful).

Anyway FF can't kill you, his powers only work on Hindu Arabs. Kelsier should jail Palmar tonight.

Anyway the diplomat thing is not even the main reason you are being lynched. You've done absolutely nothing this game and no real scumhunting. Even this post doesn't push towards anyone, it's just defense. Mafia had a huge incentive to not vote Vivax (as they would lose two people). This makes it extremely likely that Fecalfeast, slam, dis, and especially me (as the final and definitive vote) are town. It also makes the last scum (or two) almost certainly among Mocsta, Palmar, VE, Kelsier, and Rayn.

I heavily heavily doubt any of the Assasins (rayn and FF) are scum. The ability to have additiona (consecutive) l free shots at town? no fucking way

That makes the last two scum extremely likely between Mocsta, Palmar, VE, and Kelsier. Mocsta strikes me as town (although I will re-examine him) , making it between Palmar, VE, and Kelsier.

Of these, you are by far the best choice. You claimed a role title that is literally referenced in another post as mafia. You voted Sentinel and not Vivax, and have failed to really do anything on any day so far. This was the extent of your reasoning on Sentinel.

On April 10 2019 22:57 Palmar wrote:
I think we should just kill sentinel though.

Aside from all the role stuff dude is playing like mafia.

You clearly don't really care about this game because you haven't had anything meaningful to say regarding lynches on Day 1 or Day 2. Whether that's because you're sick or afk or busy or mafia, it's uncertain. But it's a big red flag in your play.

So if you get lynched, it's because the signs lead here.

I'm not even certain you are the best lynch, I'll look into Kelsier and VE and Mocsta. But you're a great lynch.

Pandain

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April 11 2019 09:39 GMT

#2534

What do you think about the last mafia (or two) being between VE, Kelsier, and Mocsta (excluding you since you will work on the assumption you're town)

Pandain

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April 11 2019 09:55 GMT

#2538

Oooh I'm going to note I left out Sentinel in people who didn't vote Vivax. I forgot because he didn't vote at all so I didn't count him

Pandain

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April 11 2019 10:48 GMT

#2545

It makes no sense why Grack would get removed by mafia since he was converted. Therefore he must have been removed by town. Since no one has claimed another role yet, barring sentinel claiming something, kelsier must be telling the truth

Pandain

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April 11 2019 11:01 GMT

#2547

On April 11 2019 19:52 disformation wrote:
maybe they wanted to protect grack from being killed on accident to protect vivax?
sound super far fetched though

No way. Only possible explanation is if conversion is random, but I'm not going to treat that as likely at this point. But it's possible because converting grack is a bit weird.

Pandain

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April 11 2019 14:01 GMT

#2555

I completely agree.

Pandain

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April 11 2019 14:02 GMT

#2558

What do you think about what I said about Kelsier above on this page.

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

April 11 2019 14:02 GMT

#2559

@Kelsier can you share your chat with grack?

Pandain

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April 11 2019 14:15 GMT

#2567

On April 11 2019 23:08 VisceraEyes wrote:

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Grack could have easily been lynched D2, I could see them trying to protect Grack. Maybe there's something specific they had in mind, I really couldn't say.

You mentioned as well earlier that it's possible, even likely, that mafia don't know who they are recruiting or whatever, it could just be a coincidence that Kels jailed him to protect him on the same night he was recruited.

I think this is an absolutely terrible argument and I hadn't scum-read you but now you are pretty suspicious.

Practically no one was scum-reading Grack, and why would you remove someone in order to "protect them" when you could have just removed a pro-town player from the game. Removing grack from the game is removing a vote.

Pandain

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April 11 2019 14:22 GMT

#2569

Oh so Kelsier (if he's telling the truth) converted Grack.

Pandain

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April 11 2019 14:28 GMT

#2572

If you think I'm mafia after being the definitive vote for Vivax, taking out two mafia, when I could have at any time changed to Sentinel, then you have more respect for me then you should.

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

April 11 2019 14:30 GMT

#2575

Anyway it's still an extremely weak argument because again, no one was talking about Grack at that point. And the benefit of jail-keeping someone like HF or Palmar (if town) is waaaaay better than the small benefit of not having to worry about Grack being lynched.

Do you see what I mean? The benefit of jail-keeping an active pro-town player is way more huge than the small, only potential benefit of making sure grack doesn't get lynched.