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I would love for a couple things in this game to be true. We RNG lynch Blazinghand, and that Chezinu hasn’t played with LightningStrike and falls to the rule of LS. Although that’s just the troll in me. I think Chez and LS are townie. | ||
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On March 02 2019 19:30 rsoultin wrote: In other news, another zzz that can go in the acro/exo/mp maybe truffle pile yup. And SL. He's not trying to lynch me. I don’t think I’ve ever tried to lynch you? Who are you talking about? | ||
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If I were mayor I’d sheep Holyflare most likely for the 2nd lynch. | ||
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On March 03 2019 04:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I'm thinking I'd like to lynch you! Or are you making this guy mayor, Ace? That’s fair. I can vote HF for mayor sure. I don’t see how you could get me wanting Ace mayor out of what I said. | ||
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On March 03 2019 04:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote: You were one of the two names Ace threw out to make someone non-contributing mayor. Figure you're reading closely enough to say what you'd do as mayor, which no one else had mentioned but Ace, but still don't want to put forward an opinion about anyone. Reads scummy to me. When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me? Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why? | ||
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On March 03 2019 04:35 iamperfection wrote: how in the world can you think HF is for sure town? I’m the only for sure town in this game. I think what Slam and Rsoultin have said about HF is probably right, he said his target is Sentinel which I’m fine with, I like what he’s said about rayne and Ticktock, and he made me laugh. It’s like the holy trinity of town. | ||
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On March 03 2019 06:50 Trfel wrote: Also it's easier to just vote for Oatsmaster than look at his meta so I'll just be doing that. Can you elaborate por favor? Two posts earlier you defend Oats, then vote for him? So you don’t have to do battle with HF who can easily kill you? | ||
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On March 03 2019 13:47 Tictock wrote: Ok, I came, I saw, I did some things. Seems like ppl are not around so gunna do other things. May check in once more before bed but I am pretty sure I am not going to fully read the stuff I missed. I'd like someone who is wanting to lynch oats to convince me why he is scum. Similarly as to why ppl are voting HF for mayor. If deadline was right now/soon I would push for Meap or Grack to lynch. You know HF was going to mayor lynch [UoN]Sentinel before it was cool right? So, the difference between HF and Palmar is HF has actually played so far and given plenty of opinions. And exactly like Chezinu said, latching onto this Sentinel policy is right up Palmars alley if both were scum. And absolutely worth it. Plus Palmar doesn’t have to do anything else, talk about skating by. Vote HF for mayor for the Sentinel kill, ##VOTE: Palmar so he actually plays. Town win wins. | ||
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On March 03 2019 06:21 Oatsmaster wrote: only hf can assume theres one mafia team in a game with 30 players Why would a TownHF give a shit if there’s multiple mafia teams? | ||
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On March 03 2019 18:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Quick summary, more on when i get on computer (aka wake up again).. iamperfection actually looks really townie from later posts. I am okay with him being mayor. (Or go with Palmars plan, although he is prolly mafia but i cba of he just kills sentinel). Holyflare is mafia. He made a complete trashcan case on me that's factually incorrect and followed it up by "i dont understand any of his townreads", which if he believed in should always warrant a vote on me. Yet he just leaves it to it and does nothing. Very very mafia. rsoultin made the saddest series of posts basicalöy ever where she calls me "you look very town but i am wary" and after hf's trash case i am suddenly her #2 scumread. I mean this is literally the stupidest thing i have read anywhere this year... i am scum because i look town and hf said things that arent even true? Okay.... sadly enough i dont think it makea her mafia but i am never gonna believe she wiöl make rational decisions towards me / bssed on what i say so i have no intention of wasting my time talking to her. Then there are tubesock and slam who +1 both of above. I'd say one mafia there. Slam has looked a bit more town lately and certainly isnt even rwading rhe game based on his posts so who knows.. I think Palmar found an easy way out to "play" during weekend on sentinel and os trying to look better. I dont really believe he comes and says "hi see you on monday i dont play on weekends" and then starts reading the thread anyways as town. If you know palmar you probably know what i mean. Oatsmaster is very likely to be town and hf's meta read on him is completely incorrect. Not that oats is helping much or isn't a headless chicken but that doesnt mean he is mafia, in fact it meeans the opposite quite often. Acrofales has only talked about lurker after lurker after lurker. More likely to be scum. Only real read he gave was TT based on one post that he disageed with (liked the tone), but then wants him as mayor???!?!?!? Why do yoi want someone you dont think is right to be mayor?!?! Like why the fuck would you ever want that? Now good more night. You have to admit, you’re not being your normal town self. | ||
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On March 03 2019 17:52 Acrofales wrote: Going out again til late. Let's lynch Track. If not him, at least someone in this list: 2) Fecalfeast 8) Oatsmaster 9) WaveofShadow 11) sicklucker 17) ExO_ 19) [UoN]Sentinel 20) Grackaroni28) Trfel 30) Mr. Wiggles Why isn’t Palmar, Blazinghand, Rels, onegu, pandain, darthFoley, etc on this list too? Are these that much different than straight policy lynches? | ||
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On March 02 2019 20:33 Holyflare wrote: If anyone cares my reads align with rsoul. I think. Chez suspicious. Guy posting catch ups was it trfel? Seemed mediocre and not any revelations. Iamp piggybacking me suspicious. Don't care if I like what he's said about people non-posting. That's easy to do. Didn't like rayn that much tbh. He seems to not be saying much but talking in walls of text and circles. I dunno I'm sorry I'm a bit shit right now but whatever. On March 03 2019 04:20 Holyflare wrote: Don't really get any of the rayn town reads. He's a complete non entity. Not really a case but you did scumread him. | ||
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Why not RNG Palmar? I know you can rig that shit. | ||
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On March 03 2019 18:35 Holyflare wrote: Wouldn't say that's a scum read. If anything it's the scummy side of null and was more an extrapolation of everyone else's mindsets on rayn than a read on him. I just didn't agree with people town reading rayn and didn't understand how they reached that conclusion when he's mediocre af. Ok. If Oats didn’t hilariously get your filter incorrect, or at least say all your posts were serious, would you think he’s any different than his normal grouchy mcgroucherson town self? To me his entrance where every single person in the game is scum is normal town for him. Last I saw him as scum (years ago I know) he threw out maybe 4 scumreads and was a little less abrasive. Much less wave making than this game. | ||
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On March 03 2019 18:56 Holyflare wrote: I don't think he's any different from his scum or town game that I remember. It seems to be a scum team strat to push me though because I don't think I've done anything underhanded or misguided this entire game. Just been honest and forthcoming yet have two people with somehow overwhelmingly strong scum reads on me. Seems majorly fabricated. Oats had x amount of scum reads based on people that voted other people for mayor (which I didn't!) yet have you heard anything in depth about anyone other than me? You’re right he spends most his time in you. But that’s because someone asks him, he explained a couple other reads. Much of his scumreads are try hards. Looks like Sentinel is winning the vote, if he’s lynch would you kill Oats? @sentinel & Palmar voters, isn’t voting for both of them redundant? | ||
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Is Fecalfeast town or mafia? Rels? LS? | ||
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On March 04 2019 00:28 Mocsta wrote: Bad post and trfel knows it Town can have all these symptoms.. which is why he hesitates with i kinds want to... Yes and Vivax’s nailed it with Trfl’s yes-man bit. He didn’t have a original thought, just jumped along with others. TownTrfl has lots of original thinking. | ||
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On March 04 2019 01:05 Onegu wrote: Its fine I only claim VT as VT in my 3-4 post. Only claim vt as mafia in my first post... Wait, I thought it was when you claimed town that meant you were mafia. Always changing your game. | ||
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On March 04 2019 05:49 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What do you think of Tubesock's deflection of my pressure earlier in the game? I asked for some kind of read, and instead got an answer of "later". I responded to their own questions and was ignored when they returned to the thread. Their posting has been very non-committal, and they still haven't really pushed a lynch target yet. The pressure votes don't come out and say, "I think this guy is scum", but are hedged as an activity motivator. I didn’t answer you directly because around two posts later I answered someone else about why I thought HF was mayor material/town. I forgot to explicitly state that Sentinel would have been policy. Although I don’t think I would have changed my mayor vote if Sentinel wasn’t HF’s target. I’m still happy with how HF will determine the mayor lynch. On March 03 2019 04:44 Tubesock wrote: I’m the only for sure town in this game. I think what Slam and Rsoultin have said about HF is probably right, he said his target is Sentinel which I’m fine with, I like what he’s said about rayne and Ticktock, and he made me laugh. It’s like the holy trinity of town. I scumread Trfel here: On March 04 2019 00:34 Tubesock wrote: Yes and Vivax’s nailed it with Trfl’s yes-man bit. He didn’t have a original thought, just jumped along with others. TownTrfl has lots of original thinking. Which leads to this: On March 04 2019 01:07 Tubesock wrote: I’m voting Trfl. Maybe he will come play. I think a townTrfel that plays has a strong townlight. From my experience when he’s town it becomes obvious fairly quickly. So maybe he can change my mind. Interpret that as a scumread but not a he is 100% scum scumread. which is something I generally get in most games. Just not this one. As to the other stuff, yeah my hypocrisy is delicious. | ||
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On March 04 2019 14:51 WaveofShadow wrote: Oo actually now that I think about it I wonder if I look into all the low effort talk of disposal of my person, which of those talked about lynching vs vig. Might be an interesting exercise but maybe just more self stroking of my own ego. Ugh somebody talk to me maybe now that I seem to be in the mood Hi! I’m catching up this morning. I’ll find Pandains post but he’s only had like two? So I doubt I’ll have anything interesting to say about that. Have you looked at Trfel? Specifically how he latched on to others cases pretty easily? Is Pandain your lynch? Who’s your mayor again? Currently I’m lynching trfel, am undecided on Acrofales, and I think Oats and Sentinel are townish. At least town enough not to vote today. Do you ave opinions on any of them? I’m mayor voting HF and probably only HF. Do your reservations about HF concern this game or his general scum power? | ||
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On March 04 2019 15:25 WaveofShadow wrote: I will look at Trfel now. Something someone wrote recently (you?) struck a chord in that I remember him having a ridiculous (scum?)game or at the very least him having been very skilled in some form or another so maybe seeing him perform less adequately makes him more likely to be scum? Not really sure. Meta probably isn't a great idea in this game (and let's be real honest, isn't usually a great idea at all) but we all do it, so it's worth looking into. Mayor atm is Palmar but he's fucked off for a while and Sentinel should no longer be mayor lynch so that could very easily change depending on what he does. Wouldn't vote Oats atm, probably not Sentinel, haven't looked with any detial into Acro but probably should given the wagon on him and the high profile names involved. I will never vote HF into a position of power because I will basically never trust him in any given game. It’s not so much that Trfel can do better, while he certainly can. It’s his piggybacking. Him able to do better (or his meta) makes me think he can show town easily. Vs say someone who is more difficult to read (Chezinu, slam, fecalfeast etc). I like Acro’s answer to my question and his subsequent posts. I think he’s town. 3/4 of the game are lurkers or low posters so that’s a poor heuristic to vote skmene. especially when a few of these accusers are guilty of it themselves. I forgot what I was going to ask about rayn. Oops. | ||
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On March 04 2019 16:09 Tumblewood wrote: also a lame post. just an incredibly lame reason to TR rsoul, especially considering that it's also hedged. that's a demerit. 3 of those and u are mafia. aight i'm outta here You cased me, why aren’t you pushing me? You would have at least two more votes? Did you forget about me already? | ||
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On March 04 2019 17:10 Jockmcplop wrote: Sorry I wasn't around but this is what I'm thinking: Take a look a oats' filter. Nothing he posted really makes sense or seems to contribute much. I voted for him hoping he would come back and start playing a bit more with the rest of us to make it easier to get some kind of read. If not I'm still happy for him to go because he seems like a bit of a timewaster. I think he contributes in his own way. Pretty much all his posts have reads in them. He isn’t trying super hard to convince people to kill his target (although he’s scumming Acro isn’t he?) but he’s still giving a lot more info in the form of reads over most of the game. | ||
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On March 04 2019 17:21 Jockmcplop wrote: Those reads seem random and unexplained to me. Anyone can fire off a list of reads based on 'x stupid policy' or whatever but it doesn't help the rest of us at all unless you are some 12d chess playing mafia genius who can gaze into someone's soul through the medium of forum posts. Maybe he is contributing but so far all I can see that he's contributed to was a waste of a few pages when there were some other interesting conversations going on. He’s definitely not making it easy to get in his head, I’ll give you that. I just don’t think lack of contributions alone makes you scum. While lots of contributions are more likely town. I like that it’s fairly easy to find a read from him and then later compare it to votes. | ||
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On March 04 2019 17:21 Jockmcplop wrote: Those reads seem random and unexplained to me. Anyone can fire off a list of reads based on 'x stupid policy' or whatever but it doesn't help the rest of us at all unless you are some 12d chess playing mafia genius who can gaze into someone's soul through the medium of forum posts. Maybe he is contributing but so far all I can see that he's contributed to was a waste of a few pages when there were some other interesting conversations going on. So is Oats your leading wagon? Who you going to vote for? | ||
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On March 04 2019 17:39 Tubesock wrote: So is Oats your leading wagon? Who you going to vote for? Doh missed your vote. Anyway, I just think mafia cares more about what others think so would change up a little bit when he gets more heat. What do you think of Trfel? I think he’s a piggybacker in the scum ways. | ||
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On March 04 2019 17:45 Jockmcplop wrote: I think he needs to come here and explain himself a little more at some point.. My first impression is townie but not for any particular reason. I'll probably wait until he posts more, at least he doesn't seem to be doing any harm to town for now. No harm? He’s jumped on threeish other peoples ideas to scum someone, and never bothered to look further in any of them, and dropped a vote on Oats who in the post earlier he defended as probably town. If anyone is skating by it’s him. Do you still scumread me? | ||
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On March 04 2019 17:57 Jockmcplop wrote: Obvious apologetics here from Wave: This is a little bit too: This is simultaneously backtracking and sowing suspicion. I don't like it: What's the point of this: Can anyone else smell something funny here? To me those are all zero info posts. Townies and mafiasos make them. To me it’s one of two things. 1) mafia “working” to skate by. Or 2) town who’s lost or just haven’t seen enough to tickle his fancy. I’m leaning towards 2. I won’t be offended if he dies. | ||
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On March 04 2019 18:07 Holyflare wrote: My mayor lynch will be on Palmar by the way. For new reasons or stuff you’ve already said? I so much liked the second wagon bit. | ||
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I prefer a Trfel lynch but would also be happy with a Conversion lynch. I’ll vote conversion to save acro. Trfel is a better lynch. | ||
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On March 04 2019 23:28 Vivax wrote: If you're town here's what you're going to do: You accept your swift merciful death and thank us for relieving you from your duties in a busy week irl. You try to find oddities in the peeps pushing for your lynch and/or summarize for us why MZ should be the next lynch, cause that seems to be your only scumread atm. I'll honor your contributions, take them into consideration and if found worthy carry on your will throughout the game. Seconded. All of us are busy. | ||
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On March 04 2019 23:30 Palmar wrote: go after mocsta -> threatens to kill himself go after conversion -> leaves the game I may have a problem. You’re not the problem. Neither is HF. | ||
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People often say that people do things are either stupid or mafia. If Acrofales really thought HF was mafia, he’d just be spouting how HF is mafia with evidence, and the voters are the retards. But no, he knows HF is town, so he’ll say let’s kill him for being antiTown. I’d rather a town HF that fucks up, than a dead town HF. Plus, that would have been such a great play if Palmar was mafia. Would have been an epic play in the last tl game. Wiggles, you’ve been scumming me since before I even scummed Trfel. Yet you’ve never voted me. Why not? You seem pretty convinced, you have some others who agree. Think about what you say because I’m going to have great satisfaction copy and pasting things from your case on me in my defense. | ||
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On March 06 2019 19:30 Mocsta wrote: Any reasons onegu is town? No. I haven’t read your filter and don’t remember where you stand, but want to chat while everyone else is arguing about HF? | ||
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On March 06 2019 19:52 Mocsta wrote: Dont worry about my filter This is my solenmost important post Ur comments are welcome https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=27285311 Just read your case. I like it. Ace it is. | ||
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Although I’m on Africa hotel internet and it may go away for a bit as it tends to do. | ||
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To me the ONLY plausible reason to scumread HF is because he said he tried to change it. And even that is 50/50 really. Everything else he’s done has been good for town. People say he has a big ego, you think he thought Palmar was scum and wouldn’t shoot for epic plays??? You voters should be arguing that HF didn’t really believe his Palmar case. But you can’t cause he did. | ||
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On March 05 2019 08:15 Vivax wrote: Iamp when you're mafia, you can just keep going on, get elected, and kill someone else entirely than BH and then bullshit it away for some reason. That's what HF would do. I think this was funny. Now HF is scum for DOING what he said he’d do. | ||
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On March 06 2019 23:11 rsoultin wrote: @Tube My initial problem with you was how much time you seemed to be spending on your townreads vs. scumreads with pokes that didn't seem to lead anywhere being the rest of your filter. But on a reread it looks better largely cause I can see the read progression on some of the players. Can you please explain your read on Palmar D1 and what made you okay with a Conversion lynch? I didn’t have a Palmar read. He wasn’t doing anything that I could see a mafia not do. Like what you said about HF when he didn’t further antagonize someone and you towned him for it, when if he were mafia he would probably let it go further. It’s a small thing and a subjective thing. These little things when they repeat often enough become a townread. Palmar just wasn’t alive long enough for that to happen for me. I definitely preferred him living and I liked what I saw, but there wasn’t a single thing I saw that mafiaPalmar couldn’t/wouldn’t do. I mean mafiaPalmar generically. I use this metric on most people. I was essentially null on Conversion. There was the nagging feeling he was truthful on his entrance post (scumclaim) and not much of what he said spoke to me. I was primarily townreading Acrofales. | ||
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I also agreed with the vast majority of things HF said. Plus, I laughed a couple times. I mayored him before I towned him. The conversation you two had about what he’d do as mayor made me comfortable enough to vote him. When he first said he’d shoot Palmar, I dived him for a couple hours then towned him. | ||
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On March 07 2019 00:01 rsoultin wrote: Okay. For clarity, I assume you mean you dived HF? Correct. And Palmar didn’t have much but kill Sentinel. I already think you’re town so don’t have much to ask. I’m not sold on LS or Damdy being town. But right now my problem is more I think 20ish people can be scum in this game. Are you sure they’re town or tabling for now because it doesn’t matter compared to HF, Acro, Rayn? | ||
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On March 07 2019 12:54 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Our dedicated fan Oatsmaster also writes in: This is a funny point that was missed on my first read through. If Tubesock thinks my play looks the same as what I've been pointing out in his, then he should probably read me similarly to his own alignment. If he thinks that makes me look like mafia, that's probably that scum guilt eating him up inside. Oats didn't let that slip slip his attention. Bravo! So Wiggles that would totally make me mafia right? Like probably the only thing in your case that could make me mafia? Oats, I want an answer from you as well. Seriously. I’m bouncing between two cell networks and hotel internet so may get annoyed and disappear. My gut says BH is town. I need to reread what some of you said about him. | ||
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What’s towny about him? | ||
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On March 08 2019 01:57 rsoultin wrote: I agree. I just don't see him ever being lynched over HF, BH or alternatively a low-posting lurker like ExO_ if people decided they don't want to lynch the former two. And honestly I'm not really too interested in lynching someone I don't strongly feel is scum? Cause I think BH has a slightly larger chance of flipping town than scum but I wouldn't wager a so much as a quarter on it lol >< You’re probably right. Too bad there’s quite a few who want to kill Ace. I feel the same about BH. Hmmm maybe the rule of Browns little brother the rule of LS will hold this game. | ||
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On March 08 2019 02:19 Ace wrote: @acro: that reply was for tube. He's missing a pretty big logical conclusion in that post of his. @rayne: I came back last night and posted my thoughts. You're welcome to read them whenever you feel the need to do so. @Rels: damn this game is I interesting indeed I don’t know what post you’re talking about. Which one? | ||
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On March 08 2019 02:42 Acrofales wrote: Traitor is a bastard role tho. Don't think this game would stray that far into crazy themed territory. Not that I mind crazy themed games. I just like to know what I'm getting into beforehand. Neighborizer isn't a crazy role, it's just not much used here. I'm going to assume he's simply a neighborizer, because if we're dealing with a cult, we're in a decidedly non-normal game and presumably the OP would say so. So yeah, going with Rels = town. Rsoul also outed what is probably the only investigative role we have left. That wasn't smart, but is quite townie. Mafia could just shoot him at night without anybody even knowing Rels had added rsoul to the neighbourhood. So yeah, bit of wifom there, but I'm adding them both as confirmed town. I agree that rels is confirmed (not really as apparently mafia mason choosers exist per Rsoultin) but since Rels chose her I don’t see how that can confirm rsoultin. | ||
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On March 08 2019 02:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: she is confirmed because of dick move analysis. Lol ok. Works for me. Course I Towned her without it anyway | ||
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On March 08 2019 03:13 Ace wrote: If you think the rage is fake, then them not being fake mad at you for being on the wagon is my point. Unless you think they're terrible scum don't you see they'd at least go to the trouble, see you on the wagon they should be mad at, and try to push you as a suspect for that reason? If he’d have done that I probably would have thought it was less fake and maybe towned him for it. But he only went on about HF and called him stupid and retarded and whatever. He may have spoken about the electors once? Twice? Nothing compared to the vitriol he spewed at HF. And frankly I think we should punish that behavior. Stupid or mafia? So basically Acro was towning HF the entire time. Plus, my other point that seems you missed was that the rage he showed was more fitting if HF did that out of the blue, not been saying he would for 24+ odd hours. | ||
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I have two hours of useful consciousness, so if there’s any ideas I’m game. | ||
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On March 06 2019 21:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: I really think we should lynch Acrofales and i don't think anything is going to change my mind this phase anymore. He has now given himself a perfect narrative to do absolutely nothing than sound like a broken record repeating Holyflare is mafia because he did a stupid thing. The problem is if you don't kill him right now even if we lynch another mafia after N2 too many influential players are going to be dead and he will simply yell over anyone who's left and town and you will get irritated and lose interest to play. I know this because it's how i used to play as scum. Here is a list why Acrofales is mafia:
I encourage everyone to put your votes on Acrofales. All these Lighntingstrikes and Alakaslams need to get their heads out of their asses. Wave if you want to spend the rest of the game with scum 5-years-ago-rayn then be my guest and have your vote on HF as policy but don't complain after the game, especially in case Acrofales at some point decides to call you mafia and wants to have you lynched. You will not like it a single bit. The truth is Holyflare executing his scumread Palmar, however bad or stupid you may think that is, isn't actually even close to a good reasoning of him being mafia. I agree on the case on Ace. I had more thought on it and i think the fact that he was actually aware of Trfel (or at least looked like he is) suggests that it is more likely he did in fact know what Holyflare was about to do. I know a lot of people are saying Ace is too good as scum to do something like that but i don't believe that is the case. I think Ace decided he can use his activity as an excuse to "not know HF is gonna lynch Palmar", aka that he didn't see it, and did the numbers and thought he can get away with it. Also Ace is not like some fucking mafia god that doesn't make any mistakes. + Show Spoiler + I caught him once because scum nuked meapak and i went to fakeclaim the nuke when for any player who doesn't have TMI that nuke never comes from mafia. Ace got confused and started gunning on me being mafia completely ignoring the fact before. And he couldn't even keep his story straight. So yeah, it's not like Ace alwasy does the most optimal play as mafia. Mr.Wiggles is also mafia but that's for tomorrow. On March 07 2019 20:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is the last addition to my points on Acrofales, after this i will stop and probably afk. This is a big part of his case on rsoultin. rsoultin's early read on Palmar and where it came from. At this point Palmar had said; - not gonna play, it's weekend - Policy lynch Sentinel - HF might be town - "thanks i hate it" on one of my posts, whatever that meant - some more posts which say "lynch Sentinel" rsoultin agreed at the time with my read on Palmar, and Acrofales criticises the reasoning. The problem is that this is Acrofales' reasoning for me thinking Palmar is mafia: (1) Palmar thinking I [acro] was looking townie (2) Palmar wanting to policy kill Sent First of all (1) had never happened at that time. Second of all, for (2), i have absolutely no idea where he read rayn scumreads Palmar for wanting to lynch Sentinel, because these are all my words on Palmar at that point; I mean i literally encouraged his policy lynch rather than find it scummy. Okay so, let's pretend Acrofales made a mistake with timestamps and pretend i had all my stuff on Palmar already. here's the rest of what i updated on my read on him: this one isn't entirely about acrofales, and definitely NOT because he read him town I can maybe see how this turns into just "he townread Acro" in some idiots mind, but even if that was the case Palmar himself confessed he was guilty of this so how can rsoultin (or me) be blamed of being mafia because of a "shit scumread" when we actually called out CORRECT things regardless of Palmar's affiliation?? (note that while this is not a reason why rsoultin scumread Palmar, but Acrofales thought it is so it's relevant to the case). How can any fucking townie not read things above properly enough to: 1) call rsoultin scum based on that 2) what i bolded in red ????????????? | ||
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On March 08 2019 03:41 darthfoley wrote: so i have 75 pages to read... and i'm getting shoulder surgery tomorrow and my arm will be in a sling for a month. I'll spend the next couple hours trying to make sense of this stuff and be useful for once. If you want to vig me, that might be ideal lol It’s basically just HF vs BH. | ||
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On March 08 2019 03:45 Acrofales wrote: ? If Palmar wasn't a problem then why was your vote to have him killed at this point? I actually dived into your filter to find where you strong townread HF... and I don't see it at all. You made up your mind HF was town at the start of the game based on... nothing? And your comment after nightfall was about me, not about HF at all. In fact, it's the post that is continuously quoted here that has the whole ramble about how wonderful it would have been if HF had killed scum!Palmar. Why are you townreading HF? It started with agreement on a semi long stream of posts. And other small things that he did that I doubt mafia HF would bother with. While I certainly will semi ignore someone I town from time to time, HF’s townread can disappear quite fast. I’m always watching what he does. I’ve been called contrarian many times. But I truly believe that him sticking to what he said he’d do (shoot Palmar) is far more likely to come from town HF. I do think MafiaHF would have never pushed Palmar and instead gone after one of the other prominent towns and killed them instead. Rayn he could have killed at the time as most were lukewarm on him at the time. Or whoever. | ||
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On March 08 2019 03:52 Oatsmaster wrote: this is an extreme hedge that makes no sense because nobody thinks Ace is very town. what do you want mr mafia? Is that bit the reason I’m mafia? Seeing Wiggles do the same thing as me and scumming him because I feel guilt? I’m going to look in your filter, but what’s your read on wiggles?? | ||
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On March 08 2019 04:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Mafia boi If wriggles does the same thing as you in that his case on you can be applied to him, and you are town, doesn’t that mean he’s also town? How does it mean he’s mafia I never scumread him. So, it’s hilarious you are saying I’m scum for this, but apparently Wiggles is somehow town for doing exactly that. Take a look at my two posts: On March 06 2019 18:52 Tubesock wrote: Wiggles, you’ve been scumming me since before I even scummed Trfel. Yet you’ve never voted me. Why not? You seem pretty convinced, you have some others who agree. Think about what you say because I’m going to have great satisfaction copy and pasting things from your case on me in my defense. Then On March 06 2019 21:47 Tubesock wrote: Wiggles is funny to me. I feel like I can just take his case on me, and find/replace his name for mine and submit it with equal fervor. Plus we voted on both wagons so we can’t be too far off. Why do you think i wrote the big and bold?? It’s a fucking trap and you fell right into it. Oatsmaster didn’t bother to read anything more than the single post and looking for “reads” at the shallowest of levels. You went straight to Tube is mafia because of this “slip” you found. Yet you had no idea it was a trap and you fell into it!!! This action on your part is representative of your entire game. You are mafia. | ||
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I saw him fake claim a blue role like five games in a row. All rescinding immediately at day post. It’s nothing. And I think it’s scummy of you to try to blow it up into something when it obviously was fake. | ||
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Sicklucker -he picked up why Chez is scum and FF is town Fecalfeast - bombing Chez is brilliant. I believe his claim and he’s the only hatter. Onegu - feels plus I like his mechanical analysis LightningStrike - Trust of the dead, too active for mafia LS Vivax - he’s alive because he’s useful for mafia, he does not promote town circles. Alakaslam- feels. I used to study Slam. This isn’t like any Slam I’ve ever seen. But feels. Grackaroni - he had a few posts I thought were spot on. Mocsta - probably should be null. Hmm Jockmcplop Meapak_ziph Mr. Wiggles - I think he could be town BUT OMGUS, he half assed went after LS (LS rule), and most the dead wanted his lynch. Including Ticktock. Darthfoley - POE mostly Rels- mafia need a mason to find Traitor, Rsoultin said scum with good reason, and Ticktock, plus I think 8 blues is a bit much. Pandain- I’ll never believe that a town day vig would make this post + Show Spoiler [call 4 HF vig] + On March 08 2019 18:43 Pandain wrote: Hey everyone. For those who don't know me, I'm pretty sure it's pretty obvious to tell when I'm town or not when I'm actually playing. Expect to see a hell of a lot more activity, and actually I was pretty up to date with the whole part of day 2 when I asked Kita to replace after I saw AMG was similarly overwhelmed like me the first day. I won't dwell on the past too much, but Holyflare 100% needs to be vigi'd tonight. It was remarkable watching the last day. HF talk has already spammed the thread and later tonight I'm going to be looking into others, but I want to emphasize two points. 1. Fake claimed for no town reason . I don't care about fake claims in general ,I used to do it all the time. However, when Town does it it's because they have a reason to (and holyflare already established he did not just do it for the "Lolz".) There was no reason to fake-claim, and honestly I'm not sure about how it benefits mafia but it sure as hell makes no sense from a town perspective. Also can we just kill people who outright lie for no reason? 2. Furthermore, HF dying gives a huge amount of information. If he's mafia, I actually think we can start wrapping up the game because HF has been at the center of the thread and voting thread for both days. If he actually does just turn out to be a balls-out crazy town, I think it's very safe to say a good amount of mafia probably voted for him after he made his intentions clear to vote Palmar. Either way, town is in a good position. However, I am pleading for a vigilante to end the job. The information best helps us if we know it at the start of the day cycle. I'm actually not even certain I would support a Holyflare day 3 lynch. Also just FYI BC and Ace need to die with fire if either of them live to day four. Oatsmaster- He townread then scumread Mr. Wiggles before this exchange + Show Spoiler [The Tube Trap] + On March 08 2019 04:42 Tubesock wrote: I never scumread him. So, it’s hilarious you are saying I’m scum for this, but apparently Wiggles is somehow town for doing exactly that. Take a look at my two posts: Then Why do you think i wrote the big and bold?? It’s a fucking trap and you fell right into it. Oatsmaster didn’t bother to read anything more than the single post and looking for “reads” at the shallowest of levels. You went straight to Tube is mafia because of this “slip” you found. Yet you had no idea it was a trap and you fell into it!!! This action on your part is representative of your entire game. You are mafia. Chezinu - there’s four scenarios concerning the Great FF/Chezinu Mad Hatter Debate of 2019. 1)Both are Mafia. This would be so goddamn genius. Lynch one they flip mafia and the other is confirmed town with 0% chance of being questioned for not being NK’d. Having a backup Cop flip day one and HF going on how this is a themed game I can see a world where Chez and FF think up this shit. Especially if Sicklucker is mafia also. They’re all crafty. But I think it is unnecessary and considering there’s only two dead mafia, I think it’s unlikely. But yolo end of era plays. HF tried one. 2) Fecalfeast/Chezinu- a one for one would be a complete waste. Almost zero chance. 3) both town- possible. Mafia could hold the shot on FF hoping they could mlynch Chezinu, and then shoot FF if he places a bomb on a mafia friendly target the next night. Seems needlessly risky for two free dead towns. 4)FecalfeastCezinu- mafia would never shoot in this instance unless for some crazy bad reason they thought FF was lying about his bomb. I think this is by far the most likely situation. My vote will not waver from Chezinu. I haven’t had internet since Thursday. Apologies. This Thursday and Friday I probably won’t have it again. There were technical difficulties at work. I’m caught up, going to be rereading stuff. I’ll be here for several hours. | ||
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On March 12 2019 22:20 Acrofales wrote: Why does FF not getting shot townconfirm him? Two possibilities: 1. He's mafia himself. 2. Mafia believes his claim and fears he has a bomb on one of them. I still need to read FF's filter, but this mindless zerg onto Chez's wagon stinks. Chez looks bad. I agree. But this wagon looks awful. But why would Mafia think FF would be lying about his bomb placement? | ||
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On March 12 2019 23:17 Acrofales wrote: No. If mafia thinks FF is a townie hatter and has a bomb on a townie, he is dead. So the two reasons mafia don't shoot him are the ones above. In only one of those two is he town. So I don't see how FF living confirms him as town. I guess add a 3rd: they just want to keep the wifom alive. In my catchup post I laid out 4 scenarios. I agree, FF isn’t confirmed town. I think the most likely scenarios is he is, and Chezinu is mafia. I don’t think FF being town and mafia not shooting him because they think he lied about putting his bomb on Chezinu. There’s no reason for FF to lie about it as town and no reason for mafia to think he would be lying. | ||
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On March 12 2019 23:07 Onegu wrote: I dont think I have ever played with pandain. I was scum reading him. But why does he move the lynch off of Ace if scum? I guess next lvl plays but meh. He isnt getting lynched today so I will just ignore him for today. He wouldn’t have known if Sentinel was mafia, so if Pandain was mafia he probably just thought he was starting a new wagon on a scummy looking towny. | ||
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On March 12 2019 23:39 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm coming around to the idea of a chez lynch at the moment. The evidence is piling up against him and tubesock's post is quite convincing. Mind you, I like the idea that ff, chez are both mafia. That would be fun. I thought FF claimed the bomb during the night. That changes things quite a bit about the four scenarios. Have to look at who FF scummed. Maybe they were afraid one of them was the target and he was correct. | ||
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On March 12 2019 23:40 Acrofales wrote: That said, unless we have other reasons for believing chezinu is scum (and I'm not saying there aren't: his filter is all RP and there were town voices at the start of the game calling him out that there was something off about his RP), I'm not sure we're not in the scenario where FF is scum and chez is town. I'm quite sure we're not in the scenario where both are town. FF's scumlist (other than chezinu) was: 1. Ace 2. Me 3. LS Ace flipped town. I'm town, and LS is very likely town. So if FF is town and chez is town, they had to have a VERY good reason for wanting to kill TT to not take out 2 townies by shooting FF. But FF could very well be mafia doing some bizarre 1:1 play. I've seen it done before. Most notably, Risen in Chrono trigger mafia completely randomly claimed parity cop on me and a townie (I was 3P), giving rise to the most bizarre part of that game (well, other than the scum resurrection at the end). Although at least parity cop is a 2:1 if you play your cards right. Hmmm. That’s a pretty small pool. I’m still stuck on if FF is town then 1 or more of those four are mafia, and Chezinu is the most likely out of them. It does make him being more likely scum than when I thought he claimed the bomb before nightfall. I’m not sold on the 1 for 1 trade but I absolutely believe people do it. | ||
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On March 13 2019 01:02 Oatsmaster wrote: congrats tubesock, youve done it gj scumclaiming A clear cut case. /concede | ||
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On March 14 2019 02:35 Vivax wrote: Onegu is mafia, Jock, and TS Unless town somehow manages to pull a Chez lynch, we're in a great spot. You’re probably wrong on all three counts. | ||
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On March 14 2019 02:46 ExO_ wrote: Has TS done/said something recently that makes him more likely to be scum than myself? I though TS was basically in the same boat of being afk as I was and I'm curious why he's generally being more pushed than me. Because I’m in that sweet spot where I’m easily forgotten and just don’t have much to contribute. Wiggles then vivax didn’t like me but I think they are probably town. The ones who jumped on later though would be where the mafia are. | ||
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On March 14 2019 03:04 Acrofales wrote: Less talking about you, more talking about other people. I asked you a question a couple of hours ago, when you said about the same. You just claimed town and to look into your lynch leaders "after you died", but you are townreading all of your lynch leaders. So instead of telling us what to do postmortem, you should be able to do better right now. What makes them scum, rather than just wrong town? Because really, I think they may very well be right. But my priority is definitely lynching Onegu I think Vivax is town. I think Wiggles probably is town. You’re saying I should just make shit up to scumread them? No thanks. The problem I have with your case is that I don’t think there’s two vet’s in the game. And you seem to think Pandain is town, do you really think there are 9 blues in this game? I think that’s a bit much. | ||
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On March 14 2019 03:28 Onegu wrote: If we go by shot it’s not. Acros shot looks much better than Pandains. But I don’t know why a scum Pandain move his vote from town ace to sent. Why not just let ace die there if he is scum? Because Pandain was townread Ace earlier. I think HF scumread him for 180ing. Plus, he wouldn’t have known Sentinel was mafia, so thought he could look better not lynching a town Ace. If it switched to Sentinel and he flipped town it’s easier to say how much scummier he looked. | ||
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On March 14 2019 03:33 Acrofales wrote: No, I don't think you should scumread them. But then what is this about? Like... what the fuck. If you think the guys pushing your lynch are scummy, then make the case now. If you don't think so, then why do we need to look at them post-flip, and not *some other guys who you DO think are scum*................. Mostly I was irritated Vivax shit on my post. | ||
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On March 14 2019 04:10 LightningStrike wrote: It's actually a tell he usually give more reasons for his reads. That is flat wrong. | ||
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On March 14 2019 04:09 Vivax wrote: His reads post is just a big fluffed up post screaming scum. And I already picked out two reads from them that had no real basis. Why are you and jock null and DF is reddish bcuz PoE? These aren't mistakes they are just fake reads. I think MZ and Jock have been doing stuff. You can’t say the same thing about DF. But you’re right they are shallow reads and it wouldn’t take much for me to begin thinking they’re scum. | ||
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POE and he hasn’t been doing stuff. Like I said. If you’ll notice the other two names are just above his but in black. And there’s a space delineator between them and townreads. I believe the theory that there are 5 mafia left, so of those I think DF is less towny than them. Pretty deep read huh? | ||
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On March 14 2019 04:39 Pandain wrote: @TS if I was scum and needed to defend ace, I wouldn't have gone so far to lead a huge bandwagon away from him. By the way all games I've played with traitor mafia has known them. Can I get even a little bit of credit for lynching scum? Sure you can have credit for that. | ||
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[QUOTE]On March 14 2019 04:37 LightningStrike wrote: Example Case 1 s I spoiler each list post: + Show Spoiler + On June 06 2017 07:53 Tubesock wrote: Just in case: PB - too sloppy from his last mafia game. Conversion - he's trying for help and actually giving his thoughts. Too transparent for mafia. HF* He's just too dangerous as mafia to not distrust at least a little bit. In any case I'm not going to lynch him till like D4/5. Ritoky- I felt mindmelded + Show Spoiler + On June 04 2017 14:33 ritoky wrote: i think the town is something like; me, tube, vivax, hf; and tentatively conv and pb fidei has like....almost exact opposite reads of me. dunno what to think about that. reading LS mafia, what else is new for me. btdt has done nothing to change my opinion, still think he is probably mafia. tw doesn't make a whole lot of sense. defending grack for ???? defending grack from spooky ghosts pushing him???? missed joke early. says "mindmeld" then doesn't say what the mindmeld was. mafia pile. grack made a joke while being yelled at by BH, so he gets half a town point; but otherwise he hasn't done jack esp for a 2 page filter. actually i just looked at his filter and i take his half point back cuz he doesn't really have any posts pushing the game forward. BH has been disappointing. i expected RNG -> a play or snowball it into some reads. if that was it, he could be mafia. onegu...flip a coin. Tumblewood - Uncc'd Doc but I don't think I'd out myself if I were the real doc just yet. Onegu - started the successful shenany. It's certainly possible that he bussed for zero reason, but if he actually performs in the future, he's town. LS- I used to think I could read LS. While his reasoning is "weird" his reads are / used to be actually good if you disregarded what he said and zero'd on just the names. Mafias Most likely further down. Grackaroni - mostly ignored because I still think BH is mafia. Take away BH though, and I don't see anything towny. I think his fight with Ritoky is pure OMGUS. Blazinghand - at first I thought his jokes after the lynch made him town. His hyperawareness on how vote switching works (him telling Ritoky that if Ritoky jumped on the wagon after it was secured, it would have looked suspicious) tells me he is quite aware of his image. So, he's making sure everyone knows he's joking and trying to get us to like him. If he doesn't do anything next days we should kill him. beentheredonethat- I think "emotional" outbursts is a terrible reason to town someone. Vivax - I liked him until his weird shifts prior to the end of the day. His interaction with HF looked terrible. Example Case 2: + Show Spoiler + On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote: Towny Order Tubesock GlowingBear Koshi - had an entire post in CAPS LOCK. Ritoky Sukrit TicTock LightningStrike - 1/2 Koshitownness since his post was only 1/2 CAPS lock. Null/mafia not necessarily in order but kinda Shapelog Damdred Rels GiygaS Kushm4sta Vivax Shapelog I have the same suspicions everyone else does/did. I haven't really studied his filter to see what he's done after the heat was off him. Or what he did eod other than vote Kush. Damdred I read Damdred's filter solely because of the GB hammer. I didn't like the shenanies but I have seen Damdred do that multiple times as town. Damdred doesn't address GB or Kush at all in his filter and only mentions Vivax with T-4 minutes to EOD. I think he had about 2 reads. I think Rels is right taht he is disinterested in the game. I disagree that it is mafia motivated though. Damdred in my eyes is like Marv/Palmar/Holyflare/BH, if they are alive d4 it's because they are mafia. Rels There is a lot I don't like. I really dislike how he targeted LS and once LS went half caps lock Rels backed off. To me it looked like Rels was backing off from a fight which I don't think town Rels does. The next thing he does is finds out Onegu's smurf. I clicked the link, it was page 46 of a 134 page game. There's got to be some easy way to do that I can't really believe he went through the database to wade through games. Shit I went through LS games to see if he did the scum/town bold thing and that took forever. (0 instances of his scum games, 4 instances otherwise not counting this one). After he backs off LS, I vote him and he goes sort of after GiygaS. Later he cases Damdred then really dislikes me. So everyone of his attacks is against a lurker and OMGUS's. I think he opportunisticly exaggerates. The shockingly different games of LS, how he is my only scum read even though I clearly was suspicious of others earlier but I didn't use the magic X person is mafia (funny I never said that about him either just voted). I think he exaggerated Damdreds meta. Damdred doesn't always play the same. If he did then I would think the veterans here would say they read him well or immediately. I also feel like he knew GlowingBear would flip town. I also think this play is well within his mafia range. he was prettygood in the witch game I read. The big doubt is if Kushm4sta is mafia or town. I don't think Rels was trying very hard to save GB or kill Kushm4sta. if Kush is mafia then I think Rels has to be town. He was consistent that Kush is null while he said GB is carefree town. If Kush is town then Rels can easily be mafia. Easy. GiygaS I liked his Rels points. That's pretty much all he's done. Even rereading his filter I didn't see anything that jumps out in either direction. I liked that he didn't seem too phased during kusgate 2015. For the record I don't think anyone who read my filter would think I sheeped GiygaS on Rels. Did G reaffirm and add to things? Yes. Another Rels exaggeration. Kushm4sta knowing his alignment helps me think more about Rels. Associative reads BAD mmmkay. But he's done jackshit. I think I've read or played with him in 3 games. He was anti-town in all of them. I think copcheck/poe him later. Vivax has like 4 posts all "I'm sheeping Koshi". Example Case 3: + Show Spoiler + On April 13 2015 05:04 Tubesock wrote: In case I die. Town Soren / Holyflare Breshke Prplhz Rsoultin Half the Sky Jarjarbinks The Shining - I was thinking of having him in the nulls but it would essentially be a policy null. Ace was useless. I like Shining. Plus he likes my thoughts on Dwarf so there's that. Nulls Onegu - hasn't done a lot. Waiting on his Rsoultin case Stutters695 - I see posts in his filter I like. Some I'm eh ok. I have a hard time towning him when he scums Breshke and Prplhz. I plan on rereading Breshke and Prplhz more to see if I think Stutters points are reasonable. Anyway, focusing on him Day 2. Also thinking about Prplhz's assessment of him. Bourneq - Got a lot of flack from Prplhz at the very beginning. I gave him a couple slight townpoints for something but that was basically it. Don't remember anything else about him. Mafia TheBloodyDwarf - duh! Example Case 4: + Show Spoiler + On May 04 2016 15:16 Tubesock wrote: headed out for drinks and dinner. Will be back in a few hours. In the mean time: Towns: Kush Shape Slam Marvish Ricey jat If I were to pick who to lynch of the "actives" as it were I'd take time deciding between killing and Fazer. I didnt' really like their answers but they are actually closer to null than anything. You can probably infer what I didn't like about them by some of the questions I directed at them. for the inactives I'd lynch in this orderish Dr Thrawn Etellex Mig (modkill though?) Palmar Example Case 5: + Show Spoiler + On October 24 2016 06:37 Tubesock wrote: My scum list is scummiest to least: Vivax, Skynx, Koshi Hamaztubo, Lord Tolkien Ritoky, GlowingBear Sicklucker My biggest problem with this is they are all lurkers. Rereading Acrofales, Dandel Ion, iamperfection I just can't see how they could be mafia. Statistically though, it's improbable that mafia are all lurkers. I think everyone in the game would kill HF if they were mafia, so it's not really informative that HF scummed: Vivax, Skynx and Koshi (also Art, beenthere,Lunat, ExO, Kurumi, GB, WoS). But if they are mafia then it would be double motivation to kill HF. Koshi already claimed hitting him. NocturneMage was clearly tryhard so that's a good reason to kill him too. He also scummed Koshi, Skynx and Vivax. Along with Lunatic and was suspicious of Kurumi, GB, TL, ExO, Bill, Hazmatubo. The kills also implicate Kurumi, ExO and GB. I eliminated kurumi and ExO but don't really remember why. HF was warming up to GB. So, anyone want to talk about LT, Ritoky, or GlowingBear? I think Hazmatubo will be replaced, and I think Sicklucker will be figured out a little bit better later. (I'm right about Siclucker 50% of the time 70% of the time) Example Case 6: + Show Spoiler + On March 10 2015 08:36 Tubesock wrote: So, Bats and Fecal mafia. then 2 in Lightningstrike Alakaslam Sepulchre Keirathi I think Keirathi is most likely town of the 4. I'd like to hear what Kurumi thinks about Kei. Along with the other confirmed towns, Breshke and Slam. Sep. I felt like he's "off". But then I think about the Geript "ninja" set up and wifom myself into black holes. I really don't know about Slam. He does have 3 days to prove useful though. I think he's 65% town. I've been thinking a lot about Lightningstrike lately. I don't know. Unless people think Bats is possibly town, he's my next pick. Even Fecal who I was pretty sold was the ninja is more useful. Tell me which ones are from scum TS and which ones came from Town TS. I know the answer. Lmao these all look very similar to me. Gonna have to find a better meta read fam.[/QUOTE] Haha looks like I say “just in case” more often when I’m Mafia to leave a last will. | ||
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On March 14 2019 04:43 LightningStrike wrote: + Show Spoiler + 1,2,3 was Mafia Tubesock the others were Town Tubesock he does actually put more words on his list posts as scum Thanks. But I do think I’m not playing anything like any of my other games. | ||
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On March 14 2019 04:49 darthfoley wrote: What do you think of ExO? You didn’t include him I. Your list post at all. He’d be below you. I at least think your arm is a very valid reason to not be playing much. | ||
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I like Acro’s plan concerning FF and Onegu. Vivax and Slam are confirmed town, LS slightly less so. | ||
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On March 15 2019 05:05 Vivax wrote: Actually it only makes sense from a scum perspective. How would it make sense from a scum perspective? | ||
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On March 15 2019 05:35 Vivax wrote: You wasted your vote instead of voting a "never wavering" scumread, that's why. Why are me and slam even confirmed town when we tried to lynch you last second. “Never wavering” was clearly based on false pretenses. I thought FF said his bomb target, which he didn’t. That changed the entire situation when he didn’t get shot and taking Chezinu with him. I don’t think mafia would bounce around in the votes for zero reason like you two did. | ||
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Good luck. You and me baby. When did you move away from Singapore? | ||
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On March 16 2019 02:51 Oatsmaster wrote: Actually i have the growing feeling that wriggles is mafia which makes me look terrible but whateve, I’m gonna need a computer to check though but like with his talkshow thing, he’s basically avoided pushing anything or taking any hard stances I believe They are very fluffy, and solved his problem of being forgettable. | ||
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On March 16 2019 05:19 Pandain wrote: I mean he claimed to check someone and listed previous checks what else are you looking for lol He also said it was a “ploy”, “didn’t need to check him he’s just scum” about DF and claimed he checked FF for a post then back to DF. And there’s the points you brought up concerning balance. I’d like to add that in the world where we did have three cops, I’m shocked that not a single Miller has flipped. | ||
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So why MZ over me? And can you explain again the Slam and Exo read: On March 15 2019 07:48 Oatsmaster wrote: Mz/Tube /vivax/slam/exo No more wiggles What do you mean no more Wiggles? | ||
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On March 16 2019 06:08 Pandain wrote: Also no offense Acro but the case on Oats is sooooooo weak. Like there's not even any analysis of scuminess, it's all meta. Jock, Mocsta, and Tubesock all get major scum points for following that case so easily. Uh I cased Oats days ago. I’m not following Acro. | ||
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On March 16 2019 11:23 Mocsta wrote: I really dont like how pandain is esposing more cycles No way yown is this confident in any flips Lastly Pushing traitor is no reason to town read someone Ery suspect I agree. And that case on you was very opportunistic. I’d like to also to bring up his post about vigging HF before he did it. I’ve never seen a more explainy post from a vig before. + Show Spoiler [but HF fakeclaimed!] + On March 08 2019 18:43 Pandain wrote: Hey everyone. For those who don't know me, I'm pretty sure it's pretty obvious to tell when I'm town or not when I'm actually playing. Expect to see a hell of a lot more activity, and actually I was pretty up to date with the whole part of day 2 when I asked Kita to replace after I saw AMG was similarly overwhelmed like me the first day. I won't dwell on the past too much, but Holyflare 100% needs to be vigi'd tonight. It was remarkable watching the last day. HF talk has already spammed the thread and later tonight I'm going to be looking into others, but I want to emphasize two points. 1. Fake claimed for no town reason . I don't care about fake claims in general ,I used to do it all the time. However, when Town does it it's because they have a reason to (and holyflare already established he did not just do it for the "Lolz".) There was no reason to fake-claim, and honestly I'm not sure about how it benefits mafia but it sure as hell makes no sense from a town perspective. Also can we just kill people who outright lie for no reason? 2. Furthermore, HF dying gives a huge amount of information. If he's mafia, I actually think we can start wrapping up the game because HF has been at the center of the thread and voting thread for both days. If he actually does just turn out to be a balls-out crazy town, I think it's very safe to say a good amount of mafia probably voted for him after he made his intentions clear to vote Palmar. Either way, town is in a good position. However, I am pleading for a vigilante to end the job. The information best helps us if we know it at the start of the day cycle. I'm actually not even certain I would support a Holyflare day 3 lynch. Also just FYI BC and Ace need to die with fire if either of them live to day four. My Oats read is wavering. Granted I don’t know why a town Oats would park on MZ instead of just lynching me, but I really don’t understand a mafia Oats doing it either. | ||
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On March 16 2019 17:16 Mocsta wrote: lol "im actually not even certain i would support a holyflare day lynch" so i will vig him Yes!!! Like what the fuck? | ||
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On March 16 2019 17:19 Oatsmaster wrote: @tube this is interesting that hes kinda justifying HF dying before actually shooting him from both HF being town and HF being scum to kinda show how it made sense for him to shoot. That doesn’t jive either. I guess play the less “spam” aspect of an alive HF. Imagine HF could have had a 50 page filter. Holy Moses. PSDS I think I agree with you on Wiggles. He scumread me and LS which were pretty low hanging fruit, ignored others for the same, but mostly his radio show is a really good solution to the “unremarkable” or “forgettable” criticism he’s received. Then he still only pushes me, and does fluffy responses to faithful listeners. He’s not searching out for scum. | ||
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On March 16 2019 17:31 Fecalfeast wrote: IDK but now that I've looked at the vote thread your wagon is super scummy lol Specifically who on that wagon? Acrofales, Jockmcplop, Mocsta, Onegu. All of them? 2 of them? | ||
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I will be on a Wiggles or Pandain. I’m waffling a lot on Oats. | ||
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On March 16 2019 17:50 Acrofales wrote: I'll read Wiggles' filter ignoring the fun that he's having with the radio show and see what I find. You guys have a good point about the constructed case on HF, but I don't feel at all confident calling him scum. Town make dumb cases as well to sort out their thinking. Hell, I do that. Look at that Lamp is null case I wrote, lol. I should probably have done that in a notepad or something, but I promised I'd read Lamp, so I just dumped all my findings in the thread. I can totally see a dayvig agonizing over whether to shoot HF or not and dumping all his thoughts in the thread in the hope of getting some feedback. And then when crunch time comes, he pulls the trigger with his gut. And it was a good shot. I'll reread pandain, but the case on sentinel was good, and he doesn't get town credit for lynching the traitor, but he gets town credit for doing the legwork to push the lynch off a townie. Even if scum probably thought it was onto another townie. It’s not a dumb case though. To me his two points were 1) fake claim and 2) Lots of info gain. How much explanation do you really need when both those points were brought up prior? Personally, I’d been fine if he just said “vig HF he fake claimed for no reason and we should lynch all liars.” Fin. That’s it. Not write an entire paragraph. Then 2) have you seen any evidence that he used any of this mountain of information we would get from the HF kill? To me it looked like as soon as people said they were no longer going to lynch HF, Mafia had zero use for him as a thread distractor. So, better to immediately shoot HF. And how much explaining do you need to write for an information kill? Mafia needs To talk more about why they’re doing something so someone doesn’t think they’re doing it for shallow reasons. Pandain overexplained simple reasoning. That scummy. | ||
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On March 17 2019 03:09 Oatsmaster wrote: Theres also a suspicious lack of reaction to Wriggles being mafia I’ll join you on Wiggles. Fun fact most the dead townies also scumread Wiggles. | ||
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On March 17 2019 03:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: idk Onego, maybe you're on to something lol: This just screams scum doing their best to figure out which wagon is the most likely to take off. I’d love to see an example of scum voting like that. Scum don’t normally spaz their vote around, that brings a lot of attention. | ||
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On March 17 2019 04:06 Onegu wrote: Pandain is blue claimed. He shot HF remember... I know you haven’t been reading. But I cased him, so if you read you’d know I think he’s mafia day vig. I was voting him until about two minutes ago. I believe your claim mostly when you said you wanted to do something truly baller and survive without claiming. So, I don’t have any problems with keeping you alive. | ||
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On March 17 2019 04:10 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Are you reading your own filter? You have done nothing productive to push an exo or slam lynch. Your one contribution has been to scum read wiggles which is a very johnny come lately push. Where were you when I wanted to lynch wiggles like half a week ago? Wiggles since then has been active and clearly giving good reads, the justification of killing him based on dead townies was no longer sufficient days ago. What good reads? | ||
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On March 17 2019 04:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Why are you more persuaded by the wiggles case than the oats case Tube? I don’t think Wiggles has played towny. I started disliking him once he started doing the radio show, but he was getting the benefit of the doubt because we voted similarly. But recently I feel like he’s following sentiment. I thought Oatsmaster was scum for sure for awhile. My doubts started when he didn’t kill me the day we lynched Chezinu. He had every opportunity and plenty of justifications, but he stayed on you. Then kept me in his scum lists. It weirded me out a bit, and this day cycle I think I like most his posts. Except the ones where he tells Acro to just believe him or pull his head out. But town people seem to like saying that shit too. | ||
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On March 17 2019 04:15 Acrofales wrote: + Show Spoiler [ player filter length] + Organized by # pages in filter: LightningStrike (35) Acrofales (30) Oatsmaster (24) Alakaslam (21) Mocsta (18) Onegu (14) Rels (14) Fecalfeast (11) Pandain replaced by AMG replaced by Pandain (9 + 1) Mr. Wiggles (9) Jockmcplop (9) Meapak_Ziphh (9) darthfoley (7) tubesock (6) ExO_ (4) In a game of 35 players, you can "expect" each player to contribute roughly 2.9% of the thread. Some will obviously contribute less due to being dead at the beginning, but lets use that as a rough metric. LightningStrike = 8% Acrofales 7% Oatsmaster 5.5% Alakaslam 5% Mocsta 4% Onegu 3% Rels 3% Fecalfeast 2.5% Pandain replaced by AMG replaced by Pandain 2% Mr. Wiggles 2% Jockmcplop 2% Meapak_Ziphh 2% darthfoley 2% tubesock 1% ExO_ 1% I was going to do this for all players, but don't have time. I think Oats actually had a good point to do quantitative meta analysis. Oats is at roughly 190% of the average poster. That's quite a lot. However Oats is generally a very prolific poster, so simply saying "quantity = town" is not right. We need to compare it to other games: Here are all the games he played since 2014 (an arbitrary cut-off chosen so I don't have to analyse any of his 500 games played in 2013, but also to filter out "old meta"): Survivor Series Mafia Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 4 - 10 pages: 5.7%, or 80% of average 2.5 pages per day SMB Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 4 - 13 pages: 10%, or 131% of average 3.25 p/d TL Mafia LXIV: The Restart Town Vanilla Survived Day 7- 14 pages: 11%, or 200% of average 2.0 p/d Im a cop you idiot mafia 2 Town Medic Killed Night 2 - 9 pages: 20%, or 142% of average 4.5 p/d Shadowed Mini Mafia: The Reboot Town Vanilla Survived Day 4 - 8 pages: 8%, or 90% of average 2.0 p/d Got bored of this. Only doing 2017 onwards: A Simple Game of Mafia Mafia Roleblocker Lynched Day 1- 2 pages: 2%, or 28% of average 2.0 p/d Names Are Hard 2 Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 4 - 17 pages: 13%, or 156% of average 4.25 p/d Hurricane Shelter Mafia Town Medic Killed Night 1 - 3 pages: 4% or 52% of average 3 p/d Heroes of the Storm Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 2 - 13 pages: 17%, or 223% of average 6.5 p/d Newbie Student Mafia XXVII Mafia Roleblocker Survived Day 5 - 12 pages: 16%, or 228% of average 2.4 p/d Mafia Mafia Mafia Mafia Town Vanilla Killed Day 2 - 8 pages: 12%, or 190% of average 4.0 p/d MafiacalFeast I Mafia Godfather Lynched Day 4 - 14 pages: 8%, or 110% of average 3.5 p/d Make of this what you will, but mostly Oats is just a prolific writer. He has 2 recent mafia games at 110% of average and 228% of average. His least posts come from when he died super early (day 1, night 1) as mafia or town. But it is maybe a good way to look at other people. Just a lot of work. Going to cook. Lynch Oats! Currently on day 5 he’s at 24 so that’s 4.8 pages per day. I think that’s a bit above his mafia average. | ||
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I mostly just voted HF for mayor because I thought it would have been awesome if Palmar actually had been mafia. | ||
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On March 18 2019 02:43 darthfoley wrote: One of the most correct posts in the game Thanks! I really need to work on being town readable though. I can’t seem to stay active and even then my active is like still lurker. | ||
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