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Does the statement that Veteran Saves are not notified mean that if you're the veteran and are shot you will not be notified?
Will we know how many of each role there is when game starts?
Excited to play with everyone. Hoping for a good game.
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This is the first TL Mafia game in a while isn't it? I've been keeping on an eye on the forum trying to look for the next game for a couple months. I used to play a lot of games here between 2010 and 2013.
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I'm crazy excited for this.
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Just got my role pm. I'm the jester. What does that mean?
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I thought there was some special feature on the mafia subforum that let you see "all" posts even after 50. There is none?
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I'm only halfway through and might not even completely finishing catching up tonight, but I'm just going to say anyone who favors policy lynches is completely making the wrong decision. We literally already have over 60 pages of information to find scum, let's not waste a lynch.
Favoring policy lynches encourages lazy play and for mafia just to blend in with bland reasons, and it doesn't benefit town because most people who get lynched from a policy lynched are the people who don't give a fuck (most likely town).
Policy lynches are only good as a threat to promote good behavior, they're not good to actually implement. But I'm pretty sure most people favoring them right now don't have that view.
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Strongest read is that Ace is definitely town. What an absolutely terrible plan of his. He has to know it's bad and is trying to fish for something, and I think it's way too bad for a mafia to post (they would be self conscious about it).
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Hey everyone, AMG is going to be replacing me at the end of the day cycle. I'll still put in some hours today and post some closing thoughts and do votes and everything of course.
Regarding my stance on Ace, first don't read what I say as a "there's no way" he's mafia, read it instead as "I've played with Ace before as town and as mafia and based on what he posted I got a very strong town read." Perhaps I should be more nuanced since everyone here is so analytically critical of text posts.
It seems however Ace is serious, which sort of throws my analysis off.
Anyway, there's more players than Ace. I'll post some in around 12 hours after I finish work.
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On March 04 2019 15:59 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 15:54 Pandain wrote: Hey everyone, AMG is going to be replacing me at the end of the day cycle. I'll still put in some hours today and post some closing thoughts and do votes and everything of course.
Regarding my stance on Ace, first don't read what I say as a "there's no way" he's mafia, read it instead as "I've played with Ace before as town and as mafia and based on what he posted I got a very strong town read." Perhaps I should be more nuanced since everyone here is so analytically critical of text posts.
It seems however Ace is serious, which sort of throws my analysis off.
Anyway, there's more players than Ace. I'll post some in around 12 hours after I finish work. maybe you should explain why ace is town here and not mafia and do some comparison
You can read my original post. Not my job to retype things for you.
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I haven't read the last thirty or so pages and I won't have time.
Thoughts were that fecalfeast seemed clearly reading and active in the thread but completely contentless. I don't think we should be looking to lynch someone extremely active as well.
I had a spreadsheet I was working on, I'll post my more important notes from there.
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Hey everyone. For those who don't know me, I'm pretty sure it's pretty obvious to tell when I'm town or not when I'm actually playing. Expect to see a hell of a lot more activity, and actually I was pretty up to date with the whole part of day 2 when I asked Kita to replace after I saw AMG was similarly overwhelmed like me the first day.
I won't dwell on the past too much, but Holyflare 100% needs to be vigi'd tonight. It was remarkable watching the last day.
HF talk has already spammed the thread and later tonight I'm going to be looking into others, but I want to emphasize two points.
1. Fake claimed for no town reason . I don't care about fake claims in general ,I used to do it all the time. However, when Town does it it's because they have a reason to (and holyflare already established he did not just do it for the "Lolz".) There was no reason to fake-claim, and honestly I'm not sure about how it benefits mafia but it sure as hell makes no sense from a town perspective. Also can we just kill people who outright lie for no reason?
2. Furthermore, HF dying gives a huge amount of information. If he's mafia, I actually think we can start wrapping up the game because HF has been at the center of the thread and voting thread for both days. If he actually does just turn out to be a balls-out crazy town, I think it's very safe to say a good amount of mafia probably voted for him after he made his intentions clear to vote Palmar. Either way, town is in a good position.
However, I am pleading for a vigilante to end the job. The information best helps us if we know it at the start of the day cycle.
I'm actually not even certain I would support a Holyflare day 3 lynch.
Also just FYI BC and Ace need to die with fire if either of them live to day four.
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LS strikes me as town. These posts are too authentic.
On March 04 2019 03:46 LightningStrike wrote: Becuase rels is being a piece of shit I did give my own reads too. I done playing I thoguht I wasn't goign to ruin into brickwalls but no I facing brickwalls in Tina, Hf, Rels, and you FF go fuck yourselves.
On March 04 2019 09:49 LightningStrike wrote: The whole idea that I am on everyone's scum list yet noone really want to lynch astounds me. DON'T BE A PUSSY AND JUST LYNCH ME. IF I FLIP MAFIA YOU GUYS GOT YOURSELF A LYNCH. IF I FLIP TOWN RECHECK YOUR READS UNLESS YOUR MAFIA THEN YOU GOT YOURSELF THE EASIEST MISLYNCH IN 20FUCKING19. JUST LYNCH ME GUYS I DON'T GIVE A RATSASS ABOUT GETTING LYNCHED BUT IF YOU GUYS KEEP NOT TRYING LYNCH ME THEN WHY THE FUCK SHOULD I EVEN PLAY? IF I DON'T GET LYNCHED THIS DAY PHASE I WILL JUST D OTHE BARE FUCKING MINIMUM AND JUST PLACE MY VOTES AND NOT EXPLAIN THEM. FINAL POST OUTSIDE OF THE BAREMINIMUM.
Thoughts from people who know him better than me?
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I agree we should start aiming for inactives and forcing them into the spotlight. I'm going to do some analyses later tonight on the group.
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Anyone five pages or less. At first glance that seems to be Onegu, BC, Ticktock, TW, SL, Damdred, exo, sentinel, tubesock, darthfolely, and wiggles.
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We don't even have to actually end up lynching them. Just force them to post and make this group a priority tonight and tomorrow. I'm pretty sure with an HF flip alot of this picture becomes much clearer based on votes, and I'll probably do some pre-analysis depending on whether he's scum or town.
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On March 08 2019 22:58 LightningStrike wrote:Where is everyone I am a bit sad
I'll be by in a bit.
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Note all this HF talk can end immediately if the guy just get's vigi'd.
[spoiler ] please [/spoiler]
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Rayn I read the acro case and by far the most damning was the Palmar thing. The rest seemed more like inconsistencies rather than scum play. I wasn't convinced by the rest, but I'm going to read his filter in a little bit and see what I think and talk to you about it.
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Yeah but if you're not going to try and help lynch other people I'm pretty sure you still want to talk about it.
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Yeah ace is town. I might just start sheeping you.
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Feels good to have you here with town. Medics protect this man.
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Holyflare you literally fake claimed and you're complaining about people lynching you.
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It's hard to take you seriously.
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On March 06 2019 09:39 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote: HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT: Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost. Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me. Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad. Other Scums: oh no! Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH. Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH... Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched. Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me I just wanted to create added deadline tension.
On March 06 2019 09:41 Holyflare wrote: If you can find me a game where I haven't done the exact same thing at night as town then you can have your victory BH.
On March 08 2019 04:55 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 04:31 Blazinghand wrote:On March 08 2019 04:30 Holyflare wrote:On March 08 2019 04:21 Acrofales wrote:On March 08 2019 04:11 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 08 2019 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: oh btw from now on i am gonna be a little bitch and report all "offences" to hosts because they can be hurstful to a soul of some person..... so no swearing, no anything else. inbetween tl rules you idiots. i am done with me getting all the shit for nothing. You know what always cheers me up? Sifaka lemurs: + Show Spoiler +Look at em. Lovely things. That did cheer me up Lets go back to this: On March 07 2019 22:41 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 07 2019 22:37 Acrofales wrote:On March 07 2019 22:32 Jockmcplop wrote:I'm leaning heavily towards a scum read on BH right now. The more he posts the more scummy his motivations seem to be. His attacks on hf look as if he has made them up on the spot in an effort to try and paint hf as mafia, rather than coming to natural conclusions about hf from available evidence. The best example of this is the following post: On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote: HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT: Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost. Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me. Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad. Other Scums: oh no! Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH. Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH... Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched. Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me This is pure speculation and I like how creative it is, but it is not evidence. He then refers back to this as 'compelling' a few posts later, but as we can see it isn't compelling its a rather badly shoehorned piece of fiction, designed to create an mirage. On March 06 2019 18:31 Blazinghand wrote:Whatever the particulars of the bad Palmar scumread, I still think this is easily the most compelling reason for the HF scum case: On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote: HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT: Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost. Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me. Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad. Other Scums: oh no! Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH. Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH... Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched. Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me HF has largely abandoned his provably false ideas of "well, I couldn't change the mayor lynch" given the way the mayor lynch is received mechanically and the fact he was in thread and watched and commented on the shenannnies as they went down. Just for killing Palmar is he scum? eh, maybe not. But for lying about it, then slithering away from the lie when called out? oh yeah baby Ok, so what is the point of town!HF to claim a fake vig shot? I didn't incorporate it in my case, because it's mostly wifom, but I really don't see it: 1. He made a big play and it backfired spectacularly. 2. He makes another big play just for shit and giggles? WTF? Now, lets say BH had gotten vig'd. We'd have a townie counterclaiming the vig shot, and today would have been an even bigger shitshow. Lynch all liars is a damned good policy for a reason, because even if townies *do* do this kind of stupid shit, it is blatantly anti-town play. And the *second* time HF does a big anti-town play in the same damn game. That's true, but doesn't say anything about the point I am making. This story BH is telling is meaningless, as if he needed something completely made up to emphasize his argument for some reason. Also, if we are lynching people for anti-town play, what about the whole of D1/N1 from BH? Blatant anti-town play that has no upside or no possible upside for town. You say BH is scummy for making up a narrative. While the narrative is of course pure speculation, it's just a funny way of presenting the problem here: FACT: HF claimed vigilante FACT: HF is not a vigilante CONCLUSION: HF fakeclaimed vigilante. So there are two options: HF is town and fakeclaimed vigilante, or HF is scum and fakeclaimed vigilante. You seem to lean towards it being town!HF fakeclaiming vigilante, because in his own words, he was adding "suspense" around the daypost. I mean.. sure, he has shown so far that HF only really cares about HF, so he might just have done it for the shit of it, but you ignored the whole conundrum of my post earlier. How do you explain town!HF not even thinking that there was a real vig that would really shoot BH? I mean... who cares if there was a real vig? I could just rescind my claim or get killed which, again, would make my position a 1 for 1 trade if I survived somehow (which I wouldn't in this case) which I would never like. You've mentioned a few times that you've provided evidence that you do this kind of last second fakeclaim as town and have done so before - can you link to a game or state the name of a game in which you did this? https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/531261-medic-mafia?page=7#121https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/527379-newbie-student-mafia-xxvii?page=70#1387This is just in like my last few games iirc and one of those I didn't claim because someone else beat claiming a role first. I've claimed cops with a red check, I've claimed vig shots, I've counter claimed blues, I do whatever I please my friend. There was even a game where I red checked glowingbear and I wasn't a cop and he flipped town because I was sure he was mafia. SL was in that game and said the same things "+ev to lynch hf bla bla". Same shit, different game. (justifying what you did by reference to other fake claims)
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Honestly I wasn't even certain you were mafia but when you say dumb objectively false things like "who said I was fake claiming" it becomes painfully obvious.
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Like come on WoS, are we really not going to lynch someone who gets caught in an obvious lies like this?
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I don't think they're mafia. I'm just stating a fact that if two of the best players in the game are still alive by day four and haven't been shot three nights in a row there's probably a reason why. It's a hypothetical future, not a current view.
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On March 09 2019 06:14 Vivax wrote:This is all a ploy by WoS to be the one and only to drive a knife through the actual hive of scum and villainy.
I keep looking at this picture. The red-haired guy's head doesn't look like it's actually part of his body and it's like a headless guy carrying that head in his arms.
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That would be soooooo funny if the date was wrong though.
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How did everything go Onegu? Are you feeling okay?
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On March 07 2019 18:26 Blazinghand wrote:
Yeah, it would be pretty ballsy to make as scum. Also, I'm probably one of the best scum players on TL Mafia - or I was back in the day, anyways. I'm just a decent town player, mostly skilled in avoiding getting lynched (which is actually a useful skill!) and driving discussion, typically. But as scum I've pulled all kinds of stunts. Once, I pretended that I was moving to a different house, put stuff in boxes and took photos of it, and people let it slide that I wasn't active for a full day. I'm a complete bastard. I'm pretty amazing.
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On March 09 2019 07:02 WaveofShadow wrote: Nobody commenting on that Pandain thing huh? Meh. Dudes scum anyway probabky not worth the out of thread speculation/shitshow
See above habeebee.
I was sort of going you a pass for tonight because I tend to think very active posters are town, but this + your hard scum read on me (what have I done negative or positive anyway?) makes me going to have to go hard through your filter when I wake up.
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Great job vig but you missed someone important too.
##Shoot Holyflare
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Holyflare was a great shot even after the night kills. So what BC pushed for him and ended up being scum? Do you think scum never pushes for other scum?
Given the same exact scenario I would do it again. I refuse to feel bad about shooting someone who fake claimed, then lied and suggested he never fake claimed.
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Honestly I also think his flip would tell us alot. Can't help but think mafia would try to vote HF day 1 if they knew he was going to shoot Palmar.
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On March 05 2019 01:16 kitaman27 wrote: Day One Vote Count
Mayor Holyflare (10): Tubesock, Alakaslam, Holyflare, rsoultin, Ace, Mr. Wiggles, BloodyC0bbler, Jockmcplop, Mocsta, [UoN]Sentinel Palmar (8): Palmar, Ticktock, Meapak_Zipphh, Acrofales, Vivax, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Conversion
Here were the votes when it was closest and scum most likely to try and push holyflare to victory. No way they would miss an opportunity to have one town member lynch another strong town member. I think probably 3-4 mafia on that list.
I'm pretty tired now but when I wake up I'm going to examine those above on holyflare.
I don't at all agree with stupid host wifom to decide who to lynch.
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I'll also note four confirmed town on the palmar wagon at this point, which lends credence to my view.
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So the list wasn't at all given by the host but a pre-determined condition. Therefore anyone wanting to lynch Chez because of that no longer has a reason.
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Will be home in 20 minutes and then free until end of day
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On March 10 2019 03:41 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2019 03:37 Onegu wrote:On July 06 2013 05:37 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Wow, that mafia coach in the QT was practically orchestrating this entire game for them. WAY more active than I thought a coach would be in these games. Onegu would have died Day 2 if the coach hadn't explicitly given him the only excuse for a Watcher to target a scum-read (post #184 in mafia chat) that I requested from Onegu. We lost but you coached me well lol. lol holy shit. Glad you stuck around! Wait....you aren't using any of those scum teachings this game are you?
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The crux of the Ace case is that he voted HF as an attempt to push him for a lynch the following day, and that he is not as active as other players.
The problem with the first point is that Ace was actively arguing both nights for HF to be vigi'd. If you are saying that this was all a "set-up", then he was actively trying to ruin that same setup. I also don't believe the second point to be important. I think he's made great points the whole time, and has been a hell of a lot more obvious and useful than other people with far greater post counts.
I also don't really agree with the Chezinu lynch. I'll admit I can never really read the guy, but you guys are lynching him over the counter claim right? How do we know he's not actually a mad hatter? Is two mad hatters that crazy? It's pretty obvious to me with three vig's and a backup cop that this is not a normal game. Kita probably wanted to go out with a bang and two mad hatters would be perfect with that.
Chezinu definitely could be scum, but he's not the first person I would lynch.
I'm still going through other filters based on the votes the past two days and will be suggesting someone. Anyone else uncomfortable with these votes and want to start a new one?
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I guarantee if I was scum shooting HF would be the last thing I do. That man was literally lynch bait on fire.
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@rels what do you think about my point about ace wanting hf vigi'd.
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On March 05 2019 01:16 kitaman27 wrote: Day One Vote Count
Mayor Holyflare (10): Tubesock, Alakaslam, Holyflare, rsoultin, Ace, Mr. Wiggles, BloodyC0bbler, Jockmcplop, Mocsta, [UoN]Sentinel Palmar (8): Palmar, Ticktock, Meapak_Zipphh, Acrofales, Vivax, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Conversion
Here are the votes from when the holyflare-palmar mayor was closest. At this point, it was known that HF wanted to lynch Palmar. I went through everyone's filter on holyflare's wagon, and was looking specifically for someone who voted for HF but then later criticized and wanted to lynch him for doing exactly what he said he would do.
Of these, Alakaslam, Ace, Sentinel, all are guilty of this. This is highly highly suspicious, contradictory, and makes perfect sense from a mafia perspective. I think we should be lynching out of these three.
I'm giving Ace a pass for the moment because he heavily argued for HF to be vigi'd during both nights, and otherwise is posting pretty townie (even if infrequent).
I would put heavy bets on Alakaslam and Sentinel both being mafia.
Furthermore, Sentinel is particuarly guilty of: 1. Being pretty active day 1 but never commenting on if he thought Palmar is scum or not. Considering that he is voting for HF, that he himself had different scum reads but never tried to convince HF, this is a huge red flag. 2. On March 07 2019 11:29 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I think at this point lynching HF would be more beneficial to town based on at least D1/early N1 actions. I haven't been around for a lot of the last two days but it seems HF was outright malicious whereas BH has kinda been playing dumb. So I'm voting HF.
##Vote: Holyflare Sentinel calls HF "outright malicious", when he himself voted for him and never tried to change his view. Huge cognitive dissonance.
3. Had a huge town read on Ace last night and then comes in, votes Ace, and leaves immediately. After getting called out he says he will "explain later." Any townie would at least write something about why they did a complete 180; from my perspective he messed up with his fake viewpoints and didn't know how to justify.
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On March 11 2019 05:18 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 05:15 Pandain wrote: @rels what do you think about my point about ace wanting hf vigi'd. I think he would have been very happy if a vig shot was wasted on HF instead of hitting a lynchbait like Damdred or another scum like BC. Him calling for a vig doesn't change my points about him
If this is your argument, I get it. But I think Sentinel is just as guilty as this and has other scumslips.
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On March 11 2019 05:50 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 05:48 Pandain wrote:On March 11 2019 05:18 Rels wrote:On March 11 2019 05:15 Pandain wrote: @rels what do you think about my point about ace wanting hf vigi'd. I think he would have been very happy if a vig shot was wasted on HF instead of hitting a lynchbait like Damdred or another scum like BC. Him calling for a vig doesn't change my points about him If this is your argument, I get it. But I think Sentinel is just as guilty as this and has other scumslips. this is just a counter argument to "Ace calling a vig shot on HF makes Ace town", I don't think it makes Ace town or scum. Why I think Ace is scum is: Show nested quote +On March 09 2019 15:27 Rels wrote:yeah I don't like Ace's filter. I'm happy he started playing for real though it will be an honor to lynch mafia god in the last TL game! The thing that shows he's scum is how he treated HF all game. Everything reeks of a mafia plan getting HF elected, then getting him lynched. We can follow it all thorough the day: First part during EOD1, voting him while not even knowing who he would lynch: On March 05 2019 05:01 Ace wrote: @holyflare: just voted you for Mayor. I haven't fully caught up but I've been skim reading. Assuming you win the election your plan is what again? Just restate for clarity so I'm not confused or in case I missed any new developments. Second part during N1, he acts surprised that HF has lynched Palmar and begins pushing him: On March 05 2019 10:21 Ace wrote: Well that was terrible.
@Trfel: Really wish you claimed :'(. GG tho dude/dudette.
There are no mafia doctors so vigis can shoot Holyflare at will. If he somehow does not die tonight he is an auto-lynch tomorrow.
Earlier in the thread when I was talking to HF and Wiggles, I was alluding to the fact that Hf or Palmar have to stick to their plan on the lynch (Sentinel). It would take a very convincing reason to lynch someone else. For all his talk, Palmar never came across as a strong scum read. HF lynching him instead of Sentinel or even BH means he has to die. He did not stick to his guns and did not have good reason to lynch Palmar.
side note:Would have been funny (and rage inducing) if Trfel flipped Cop and Palmar flipped back up Cop.
Anyway, we kill HF asap. No fucking around.
On March 05 2019 10:28 Ace wrote:On March 05 2019 10:24 Damdred wrote:On March 05 2019 10:21 Ace wrote: Well that was terrible.
@Trfel: Really wish you claimed :'(. GG tho dude/dudette.
There are no mafia doctors so vigis can shoot Holyflare at will. If he somehow does not die tonight he is an auto-lynch tomorrow.
Earlier in the thread when I was talking to HF and Wiggles, I was alluding to the fact that Hf or Palmar have to stick to their plan on the lynch (Sentinel). It would take a very convincing reason to lynch someone else. For all his talk, Palmar never came across as a strong scum read. HF lynching him instead of Sentinel or even BH means he has to die. He did not stick to his guns and did not have good reason to lynch Palmar.
side note:Would have been funny (and rage inducing) if Trfel flipped Cop and Palmar flipped back up Cop.
Anyway, we kill HF asap. No fucking around.
What is this? Even I know hf stuck to his guns he wan ted to lynch palm for a long time no? Him wanting to lynch Palmar =/= good reason to switch. Third, he AFKs the start of D2. His first post when he comes back D2 is a big post on HF. Note that it's a time where HF is in the lead 9 - 4 over BH, but talks about alternative targets start being discussed for real => see the pages before page 239, BH being ofc the main other lynch. I don't know if it's really this or just a coincidence, but it sures comes at a convenient time so that HF keeps being the lynch. On March 07 2019 12:06 Ace wrote:Holyflare is Scum https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=27283802 <---bullshit filter dive in fact, there are just too many posts that show he isn't scum hunting. It's either a lax attempt to show what someone else did wrong, asking "what should we do now?" type questions, or just filler. Outside of this, he killed Palmar. The entire reason behind my Day 1 post was to tie any mayor candidate to their lynch choice. It's not just that he didn't lynch Sentinel - if he had justifiable reasons then so be it. But he lynched Palmar and his reasoning rests on because he thought he was scum. Seriously. This guy should be the obvious lynch. How many people really thought Palmar was scum? He just did it because he could.And even if you somehow don't believe he's Scum he is clearly a net negative for the Town. He literally has done nothing - and this is coming from a guy who's been afk, caught up on only 30 pages or so and sees the nonsense plain as day. The nightkills - 3 dead. All Town. I refuse, literally refuse to think a vigilante shot any of them over Holyfield. Like it seems unfathomable that the targets would end up at Marv, Iamp, or Koshi (lol wut?). Especially with one being Vet and dying (maybe Rb + shot). If there's a third party out there, I think it goes without saying you should start shooting scum or clashing flips from now on Lastly, I saw something about marv playing cop wrong. I actually think he made himself "obvious town" or whatever you want to call it and should have drawn night protection. Especially since he was a replacement with fresh eyes into the game. Maybe we have no more docs or the kill went through somehow. Either way I think it's worth backtracking him and iamps posts (-2 nightlife means very desperate kill) especially. Then he goes on for all day, mainly talking about lynching HF. Note that he's now OK with BC, pushing HF together and referencing him in his posts. I'll elaborate about that in another part of the post - I don't think BC/Ace relationship necessarily show that they're partners, but it sure as hell don't prove they're cannot be partners. Finally, today. Mafia probably shot rayn, rsoul and WOS. Let's say they definitely shot at least 2 out of 3 to account for weird stuff like SK or whatever. They shot people that hard townread HF. At this point, Ace's narrative change - in his last big post during N3, Ace says that HF "definitely needs to be lynched whatever his alignment is". On March 09 2019 04:45 Ace wrote: Anyone who is saying they think Holyflare is scum but won't lynch him because it's going to be too difficult and should be saved for LYLO is pretty much not worth keeping around. Cops and vigis should get their utmost attention. For whatever reasons that Holyflare will be alive Day 3, this support block needs to be eradicated. At this point I literally do not care that HF can possibly flip Town - he is detrimental to our win condition. Of course I find him funny so I would like to keep him around but I also want to win.
I think their plan was to continue pushing HF during D3 with BC. BUT BC DIES. So there goes that plan. Ace stops pushing for HF after that, and his reasonning is weird: On March 09 2019 09:03 Ace wrote:Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo BC On March 09 2019 09:08 Ace wrote:On March 09 2019 09:06 Holyflare wrote: Oh hey look absolutely everyone that would be defending me died and the one guy that yelled about lynching me for dumb reasons was mafia. That's cool. Some of his reasons were good. He just happened to be your scum buddy :'( On March 09 2019 09:28 Ace wrote: Wow. Ah well. All that fun trying to lynch HF is now down the drain. On March 09 2019 11:52 Ace wrote:On March 09 2019 11:37 LightningStrike wrote:On March 09 2019 11:33 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 09 2019 11:24 LightningStrike wrote:Day One Final Vote Count
Mayor Holyflare (16): Tubesock, Holyflare, rsoultin, Ace, Mr. Wiggles, Jockmcplop, Mocsta, [UoN]Sentinel, Pandain, sicklucker, raynpelikoneet, Fecalfeast, iamperfection, Damdred, ExO_, Trfel Palmar (12): Palmar, Ticktock, Meapak_Zipphh, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Conversion, Alakaslam, LightningStrike, Vivax, BloodyC0bbler, Acrofales, Blazinghand iamperfection (4): darthfoley, Tumblewood, Koshi, Oatsmaster Chezinu (1):Chezinu Onegu (1): Onegu rsoultin (1): Rels
Lynch Trfel (11): Tubesock, sicklucker, [UoN]Sentinel, Koshi, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood, Fecalfeast, Jockmcplop, Acrofales, Vivax, Conversion Blazinghand (10): Holyflare, Grackaroni, iamperfection, Oatsmaster, WaveOfShadow, raynpelikoneet, Trfel, rsoultin, ExO_, LightningStrike Conversion (3): Mocsta, Alakaslam, darthfoley Acrofales (2): Damdred, Tictock iamperfection (2): BloodyC0bbler, Blazinghand Koshi (1): Ace Fecalfeast (1): Pandain Grackaroni (1): Meapak_Ziphh LightningStrike (1): Rels [UoN]Sentinel (1): Chezinu rsoultin (1): Onegu Mr. Wiggles (1): Palmar EoD1 votes with conrfirmed flips and claims so ya BC wasted his vote on a throwaway on iamp and town was scattered all over the place on the two lynch wagons Day 1. Ace,Pandain,MZ, Chezinu, and Onegu wasted their votes Day 1. might have a scum within those throw away votes since town was so scattered it's a safe play to do that. Both wagons were town. I don't think just from the votes you can make any inference about where the scum are. Scum know who HF is. If he's one of them it doesn't really matter who the mayor is between him and Palmar to scum because a townie gets lynched either way. If he's town it doesn't matter either but scum would have to take him at his word that he wants to lynch Palmar. Even if he did follow through on the BH lynch that's also a townie. Throwaway votes is usually scum indicating though in a TvT wagon though but I think scum is also within those 2 wagons since it's easy to blend in when it's TvT. Ya fair play about HF I wish we had a cop check on him >.< I'm thinking a cop has investigated HF by now and hasn't gotten a scum result so feels no need to claim. this last post makes no sense for 2 reasons. First, until just now HF has been a man that was probably gonna be vigd or lynched. Cops probably wouldn't bother with HF until now. Second, we already have a cop and a backup cop flipped, and 2 vigs. I don't know if it's reasonnable to suppose we have a lot more investigative role. The answer is that Ace stopped pushing HF because his helping buddy BC died, and because almost nobody else wants HF dead now. But he had to invent a reason to stop that push, and he crafted this one. Problem is that, it makes no sense 'cause it's fake.
A final point. Sent bought up the point that Ace / BC relationship make them unlikely partners. I disagree, I don't think it proves they're partners either, but nothing proves they aren't. It's true Ace attacked BC with during EOD1: On March 05 2019 08:49 Ace wrote:On March 05 2019 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Wait. I go to fucking work then sleep and come back to this clusterfuck? Why for the love of god are we lynching Palmar of all fucking people. You may hate his fucking guts right now but of all the "vet" or big name players in this game hes actually put in more effort than anyone fucking else. Do you disagree with his reads? Likely. Do I? On some of them yes. But the guy is clearly playing for the town. Have any of you guys played with him? or remember games with him? He does this shit consistently with town. He polarizes everyone in the game for or against him to get reads / generate discussion. Sometimes it may just be because hes being an asshole or believes hes better than you. So no I am not down for lynching him -_- If you were going to off an old school player at this point just to do it you'd be better served with offing Me, Ace, BH, or MZ tbh. We all have done basically nothing in comparison. We as an entire group have literally designed a day that lets mafia just slide by and do sweet fuck all and based on thread sentiment could get away with it for way way way too long. Sure you could after the fact try and harass suspects for reasons but basically everyone can regurgitate the same horseshit and you get borderline nothing. So. HF get the fuck off Palmar. You may hate his fucking guts / think hes the worlds shittiest player but the guy is clearly attempting to help the town at this point and has done far more to push that then most in this game. How about instead we look into this pool. Onegu Why? 1) Says he will be try hard. Is clearly not thus is not living up to what he said he would attempt. 2) Reads currently given have no substance to them 3) Clearly skirting by the activity requirements 4) Basically just has posts with 0 content Iamperfection I have already brought him up in my last analysis post. Basically it is very similar however to expand on it. On March 04 2019 05:40 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2019 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: My response is more or less going to be impacted by your response to my question. i probably wont give my full reads until tomorrow. i think your probably town though cause i think your confused by my play and are trying to figure out my alignment Since I have been waiting now for awhile to see what reads he has. Let me sum it up for you. He hasn't posted any of value. Why? Because he hasnt posted any reasonable reasons. He has also asked for what? 3 vig shots now on players Someone like this whos played as long as he had know better. This isn't behaviour IMO of a townie. Its scum. This post reeks. Why would you pop up near EOD to post this? You even segregated players and faked outrage. Heavy FoS here. That turns into a kinda townread during D2: On March 07 2019 12:57 Ace wrote:On March 06 2019 10:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote:BC is a scummers. This post before deadline reeks: + Show Spoiler +On March 05 2019 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Wait. I go to fucking work then sleep and come back to this clusterfuck? Why for the love of god are we lynching Palmar of all fucking people. You may hate his fucking guts right now but of all the "vet" or big name players in this game hes actually put in more effort than anyone fucking else. Do you disagree with his reads? Likely. Do I? On some of them yes. But the guy is clearly playing for the town. Have any of you guys played with him? or remember games with him? He does this shit consistently with town. He polarizes everyone in the game for or against him to get reads / generate discussion. Sometimes it may just be because hes being an asshole or believes hes better than you. So no I am not down for lynching him -_- If you were going to off an old school player at this point just to do it you'd be better served with offing Me, Ace, BH, or MZ tbh. We all have done basically nothing in comparison. We as an entire group have literally designed a day that lets mafia just slide by and do sweet fuck all and based on thread sentiment could get away with it for way way way too long. Sure you could after the fact try and harass suspects for reasons but basically everyone can regurgitate the same horseshit and you get borderline nothing. So. HF get the fuck off Palmar. You may hate his fucking guts / think hes the worlds shittiest player but the guy is clearly attempting to help the town at this point and has done far more to push that then most in this game. How about instead we look into this pool. Onegu Why? 1) Says he will be try hard. Is clearly not thus is not living up to what he said he would attempt. 2) Reads currently given have no substance to them 3) Clearly skirting by the activity requirements 4) Basically just has posts with 0 content Iamperfection I have already brought him up in my last analysis post. Basically it is very similar however to expand on it. Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 05:40 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2019 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: My response is more or less going to be impacted by your response to my question. i probably wont give my full reads until tomorrow. i think your probably town though cause i think your confused by my play and are trying to figure out my alignment Since I have been waiting now for awhile to see what reads he has. Let me sum it up for you. He hasn't posted any of value. Why? Because he hasnt posted any reasonable reasons. He has also asked for what? 3 vig shots now on players Someone like this whos played as long as he had know better. This isn't behaviour IMO of a townie. Its scum. He gets to come in, yell at town, and then set himself up to look vindicated if Palmar dies. No comments on any of the active wagons of which we know two (trfel, conv) were town, and says he disagrees with some of Palmar's reads without going into specifics. Very easy way to posture for 'town points' without needing to commit to anything. Besides that he's jumped on a couple other points but hasn't accomplished any real scum hunting in thread. Wiggles, not sure of the timing of the vote nor do I really disagree with this post. But I just checked the voting thread quickly and see BC has a vote on HF. Unless he finds reason to move, do you think BC + HF is a possible scum team? I also called BC scummy for the post near last EOD but outside of this do you sense scum motive from him? On March 07 2019 13:16 Ace wrote:On March 06 2019 11:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 06 2019 11:31 Mocsta wrote:On March 06 2019 11:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 06 2019 11:20 Grackaroni wrote:On March 06 2019 10:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote:BC is a scummers. This post before deadline reeks:+ Show Spoiler +On March 05 2019 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Wait. I go to fucking work then sleep and come back to this clusterfuck? Why for the love of god are we lynching Palmar of all fucking people. You may hate his fucking guts right now but of all the "vet" or big name players in this game hes actually put in more effort than anyone fucking else. Do you disagree with his reads? Likely. Do I? On some of them yes. But the guy is clearly playing for the town. Have any of you guys played with him? or remember games with him? He does this shit consistently with town. He polarizes everyone in the game for or against him to get reads / generate discussion. Sometimes it may just be because hes being an asshole or believes hes better than you. So no I am not down for lynching him -_- If you were going to off an old school player at this point just to do it you'd be better served with offing Me, Ace, BH, or MZ tbh. We all have done basically nothing in comparison. We as an entire group have literally designed a day that lets mafia just slide by and do sweet fuck all and based on thread sentiment could get away with it for way way way too long. Sure you could after the fact try and harass suspects for reasons but basically everyone can regurgitate the same horseshit and you get borderline nothing. So. HF get the fuck off Palmar. You may hate his fucking guts / think hes the worlds shittiest player but the guy is clearly attempting to help the town at this point and has done far more to push that then most in this game. How about instead we look into this pool. Onegu Why? 1) Says he will be try hard. Is clearly not thus is not living up to what he said he would attempt. 2) Reads currently given have no substance to them 3) Clearly skirting by the activity requirements 4) Basically just has posts with 0 content Iamperfection I have already brought him up in my last analysis post. Basically it is very similar however to expand on it. Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 05:40 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2019 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: My response is more or less going to be impacted by your response to my question. i probably wont give my full reads until tomorrow. i think your probably town though cause i think your confused by my play and are trying to figure out my alignment Since I have been waiting now for awhile to see what reads he has. Let me sum it up for you. He hasn't posted any of value. Why? Because he hasnt posted any reasonable reasons. He has also asked for what? 3 vig shots now on players Someone like this whos played as long as he had know better. This isn't behaviour IMO of a townie. Its scum. He gets to come in, yell at town, and then set himself up to look vindicated if Palmar dies. No comments on any of the active wagons of which we know two (trfel, conv) were town, and says he disagrees with some of Palmar's reads without going into specifics. Very easy way to posture for 'town points' without needing to commit to anything. Besides that he's jumped on a couple other points but hasn't accomplished any real scum hunting in thread. This is plaigarism lol. Exact same word choice as Ace. On March 05 2019 08:49 Ace wrote:On March 05 2019 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Wait. I go to fucking work then sleep and come back to this clusterfuck? Why for the love of god are we lynching Palmar of all fucking people. You may hate his fucking guts right now but of all the "vet" or big name players in this game hes actually put in more effort than anyone fucking else. Do you disagree with his reads? Likely. Do I? On some of them yes. But the guy is clearly playing for the town. Have any of you guys played with him? or remember games with him? He does this shit consistently with town. He polarizes everyone in the game for or against him to get reads / generate discussion. Sometimes it may just be because hes being an asshole or believes hes better than you. So no I am not down for lynching him -_- If you were going to off an old school player at this point just to do it you'd be better served with offing Me, Ace, BH, or MZ tbh. We all have done basically nothing in comparison. We as an entire group have literally designed a day that lets mafia just slide by and do sweet fuck all and based on thread sentiment could get away with it for way way way too long. Sure you could after the fact try and harass suspects for reasons but basically everyone can regurgitate the same horseshit and you get borderline nothing. So. HF get the fuck off Palmar. You may hate his fucking guts / think hes the worlds shittiest player but the guy is clearly attempting to help the town at this point and has done far more to push that then most in this game. How about instead we look into this pool. Onegu Why? 1) Says he will be try hard. Is clearly not thus is not living up to what he said he would attempt. 2) Reads currently given have no substance to them 3) Clearly skirting by the activity requirements 4) Basically just has posts with 0 content Iamperfection I have already brought him up in my last analysis post. Basically it is very similar however to expand on it. On March 04 2019 05:40 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2019 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: My response is more or less going to be impacted by your response to my question. i probably wont give my full reads until tomorrow. i think your probably town though cause i think your confused by my play and are trying to figure out my alignment Since I have been waiting now for awhile to see what reads he has. Let me sum it up for you. He hasn't posted any of value. Why? Because he hasnt posted any reasonable reasons. He has also asked for what? 3 vig shots now on players Someone like this whos played as long as he had know better. This isn't behaviour IMO of a townie. Its scum. This post reeks. Why would you pop up near EOD to post this? You even segregated players and faked outrage. Heavy FoS here. HAHAHA HOLY SHIT. Grack are you actually town? what do you think about ace though in that chained quote? I dont beleive he ever did ANYTHING with that. He didn't but it's funny how he said this: On March 05 2019 08:58 Ace wrote: @BC: where did I say I want Palmar killed???
@trfel: I think you should seriously claim if lynch noise bout to drop. And then voted for HF lmao Yea :/. Was having this exchange with BC because I definitely did not see HF doing what he did. I actually thought Palmar had way too much sway for that move not to be met with instagib and also he didn't appear as scum to enough people for it to even be approachable. BC took my HF vote as a Palmar supported kill because he obviously believed the threat and was correct in the end. And a real townread during N2: On March 09 2019 00:18 Ace wrote:On March 08 2019 13:50 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Hey Ace, you asked me about BC but then never followed up. I'm curious about your own thoughts towards him. How are you reading BC? I'm still convinced he's scum. On March 07 2019 13:58 Mr. Wiggles wrote:We're opening up the lines, and we've already got our first caller! On March 07 2019 12:57 Ace wrote:On March 06 2019 10:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote:BC is a scummers. This post before deadline reeks: + Show Spoiler +On March 05 2019 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Wait. I go to fucking work then sleep and come back to this clusterfuck? Why for the love of god are we lynching Palmar of all fucking people. You may hate his fucking guts right now but of all the "vet" or big name players in this game hes actually put in more effort than anyone fucking else. Do you disagree with his reads? Likely. Do I? On some of them yes. But the guy is clearly playing for the town. Have any of you guys played with him? or remember games with him? He does this shit consistently with town. He polarizes everyone in the game for or against him to get reads / generate discussion. Sometimes it may just be because hes being an asshole or believes hes better than you. So no I am not down for lynching him -_- If you were going to off an old school player at this point just to do it you'd be better served with offing Me, Ace, BH, or MZ tbh. We all have done basically nothing in comparison. We as an entire group have literally designed a day that lets mafia just slide by and do sweet fuck all and based on thread sentiment could get away with it for way way way too long. Sure you could after the fact try and harass suspects for reasons but basically everyone can regurgitate the same horseshit and you get borderline nothing. So. HF get the fuck off Palmar. You may hate his fucking guts / think hes the worlds shittiest player but the guy is clearly attempting to help the town at this point and has done far more to push that then most in this game. How about instead we look into this pool. Onegu Why? 1) Says he will be try hard. Is clearly not thus is not living up to what he said he would attempt. 2) Reads currently given have no substance to them 3) Clearly skirting by the activity requirements 4) Basically just has posts with 0 content Iamperfection I have already brought him up in my last analysis post. Basically it is very similar however to expand on it. Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 05:40 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2019 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: My response is more or less going to be impacted by your response to my question. i probably wont give my full reads until tomorrow. i think your probably town though cause i think your confused by my play and are trying to figure out my alignment Since I have been waiting now for awhile to see what reads he has. Let me sum it up for you. He hasn't posted any of value. Why? Because he hasnt posted any reasonable reasons. He has also asked for what? 3 vig shots now on players Someone like this whos played as long as he had know better. This isn't behaviour IMO of a townie. Its scum. He gets to come in, yell at town, and then set himself up to look vindicated if Palmar dies. No comments on any of the active wagons of which we know two (trfel, conv) were town, and says he disagrees with some of Palmar's reads without going into specifics. Very easy way to posture for 'town points' without needing to commit to anything. Besides that he's jumped on a couple other points but hasn't accomplished any real scum hunting in thread. Wiggles, not sure of the timing of the vote nor do I really disagree with this post. But I just checked the voting thread quickly and see BC has a vote on HF. Unless he finds reason to move, do you think BC + HF is a possible scum team? I also called BC scummy for the post near last EOD but outside of this do you sense scum motive from him? Hmm, could BC + HF be a possible scum team? I guess it's possible. I've had a town read on HF, but if that's wrong and he were to flip red, I don't think that clears BC. A bus of HF today would be pretty easy to support for scum, considering all the people lusting after his blood coming out of N1. I find BC to be a relative non-entity in this game who comes in long enough to throw around some accusations and act holier-than-thou before going to ground again. I think the exchange with Jock is a decent example of this. When Jock comes in with a weird post about HF, BC jumps on it but ends up mostly just berating Jock. BC's points don't do much to advance the case on HF itself but do allow him to blow up on what Jock is attributing as motivation to HF. Before BC came in there's been other people town reading HF, but BC doesn't try to address any of those points, instead he just hops on Jock's bad point because it's easy. For example, I'd contrast his play with yours right now. You're coming back into the thread after some time away, but you're adding comments about stuff you've read along the way. This is helpful and advances the thread. BC on the other hand comes in, plops down a post and then interacts with a couple people present in the thread (usually in a confrontational/negative way) before leaving again. It's obvious he's read the thread because he's putting forward a couple cases, but out of everything else that happens he seems to have basically no comment. It's the same old song and dance from BC today as well. We have him come in and rage about the decision to out the mason: + Show Spoiler [SanguinePie] +On March 08 2019 06:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote:What the fuck is going on in this game? I leave for a bit and the thread turns to a shit show -_- How the fuck has more or less the entire thread glossed over the fact we had Rsoultin out Rel's role because she thought he was mafia then proceeded to not seriously push him as a candidate whatsoever Then proceeded to remain voting for someone she doesn't fully believe is fucking scum. Seriously wtf is wrong with you guys. We have already had a bunch of blues flip and no one questions seriously why its ok for someone to out another players role on a gut read? IMO there is literally no reason to out rels at this point in time unless you plan to go ham on a scum read. Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 05:57 Blazinghand wrote:On March 08 2019 05:54 sicklucker wrote: Well if we dont kill hf now hes never dying. So ill just have to asume hes town if thats happening and pray mafia nk him and reevaluate if I dont kill. I dont think we have the votes to kill him today is what im trying to say. so lets set up a side wagon to bh. But fuck I dont have enough time We only need like 3 votes on HF. please vote him and stay on him. Don't say "let's just assume he's town for no reason because he's too good at convincing people to ever be able for us to lynch him" wtf Jesus fuck. Again, this is a really easy thing to pick on as scum because it's just yelling about mechanics and 'standard play'. A bunch of stuff people seem to do now looks weird compared to how we did things in the days of yore, but it's easy even for an old dog like me to see that it's simply a different kind of meta. For BC to react like this says that he either doesn't understand that, which I doubt, or that he's simply fishing for something to comment about without needing to fake scum hunting. The other posts he makes are just more useless arguing with HF. Browbeating HF does little to advance town, even if you're convinced he's scum. It would be way more productive to either push reasons to not lynch BH or try to dismantle the defence/rationale that other posters have put forward to not lynch HF. Instead he rolls around in the mud with HF for a while before popping out of the thread. Same old stuff he's been doing for the last couple cycles. BC is a pretty solid lynch for Day 3, I'd say. We are not lynching BC @Mocsta: you are a weird player. So all over the place 😏 On March 09 2019 04:45 Ace wrote:
I've already said 2 of these people are scum. This is the BH wagon. Now we obviously know some townies are lazy or were duped into thinking this was even a good idea. I doubt anyone seriously reading this game would think BH was ever a real suspect. Myself and others echoed this during Day 2. On Day 1 I prodded BH to stay in the game not only because I have good memories of him in past games and iirc modding, but I know scum would just pile on the easy mislynch and misguided townies would follow. I would expect BC to pick up on this because he's a very good player and of course he did. Doesn't mean he isn't scum but someone caring about the nature of the lynch is probably Town. Of course I've currently got a Town read on Vivax too. Fuck me if either of them are Scum 🤦🏼♂️.
So no, I don't think their interactions are alignment indicative by themselves, and I think them trying to push a HF lynch / vig during the whole N1 / D2 / N2 makes a lot of sense.
Before I respond I want to ask:
Ace why did you vote for HF and then push him later?
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On March 11 2019 06:10 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 05:08 Pandain wrote: I guarantee if I was scum shooting HF would be the last thing I do. That man was literally lynch bait on fire. no scum wanted him dead . your definitely suspect. nk's made him town if you thought about ti logically like many of us did. If you had read the thread you would have realized everyone who was scum reading him including me suddenly town read him. but you decided to shoot him very scummy. very anti town. I decided not to kill you tho and I honestly cant remember why. Oh ya day vig for mafia is less likely then town day vig. your safe bub
The guy literally fake claimed and then lied and said he wasn't fake claiming (in all seriousness). What am I supposed to do at that point?
Either one of those is damning. Both of them together made it super scummy.
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At that point it doesn't matter what NK's are, there's tons of wifom. WoS rsoul and rayn were all good players anyway, there were tons of possible reasons and other reads they had why they might have gotten shot.
And a scummer pushing HF wasn't enough. Scum push scum plenty of time.
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Yeah I was wrong. But it was 100% the right move and in most games would have been scum.
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TS is a non-entity for me. He's not really towny but I don't think he's that scummy either.
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I don't think Ace and Chezinu are the worst lynches in the world, I just think Sentinel is way more cut and dry and should be the lynch today.
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On March 11 2019 06:16 Mr. Wiggles wrote: We'll be taking the Dead Zone Show off the air temporarily while we move to a new secure location. We'll be back before the lynch and our intern is still taking calls, so send in those questions.
The hosts of the Dead Zone Show endorse the campaign to leave Ace alone. They urge you to read TS and make up your own mind. Ideally you come to your senses and we can get a wagon off the ground.
I don't think anyone is supporting TS right now. SL is right, the farther the votes are spread out the easier it is for mafia to influence the results. You should make a decision between sentinel and chez.
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@ace Acro later said that he was only allowed to shoot people who had five or less posts the previous day cycle. AKA the choices were not given by the hosts.
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hey FYI for future blue's please don't reveal the exact workings of your role in the thread.
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I will be AFK for next 40 minutes at least. Will try to be back before deadline.
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@LS what are your thoughts regarding all of this.
I should have said I should be afk , I can't resist popping back in.
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I'm down with lynching Slam but I think Sentinel is worse for the reasons I posted earlier. I don't think others are there quite yet.
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I want to note that all of the Chez voters except FF are not here.
Not sure what it means but it's definitely interesting.
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Ace better not turn out to be scum because I've basically been the only one defending him all game.
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@SL you drunk?
I went over iamp's filter. Biggest things I found were suspicions on Chez and Onegu. Definitely should keep an eye on them.
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@LS I'm pretty sure at this point there's a 0% chance Chez gets flipped. You need to make a choice between Ace and Sentinel.
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1. We don't know chez is hatter 2. Assuming he is, we don't know who he has a bomb on 3. I don't think mad hatter bombs go off when lynched?
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On March 11 2019 07:36 Grackaroni wrote:This would be an excellent return of the Pandas to TL mafia if Sent flips mafia. And also good for me, Grackaroni.
Dude man we had great games together. Let's make it one more.
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On March 11 2019 07:36 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 07:31 Tumblewood wrote:On March 11 2019 07:29 sicklucker wrote: Wait cant we just kill chez and he bombs someone if he is town. Is that how it works yea he would be town, and also dead Well games on you bud LOL
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On March 11 2019 07:39 Onegu wrote: Not moving my vote in the next 20 min.
Why?
@sL @TW Slam isn't going to be lynched. There's 20 minutes left. I'm all down for a Slam lynch tomorrow but town needs to consolidate.
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On March 11 2019 07:40 Tumblewood wrote: hey quick poll does anyone in this entire game think slam is town?
Poll: Is Slam town?No (5) 71% I'm not in the game but want to vote (2) 29% Yes (0) 0% 7 total votes Your vote: Is Slam town? (Vote): Yes (Vote): No (Vote): I'm not in the game but want to vote
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It's crazy that this night might be decided by a drunk sL
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On March 11 2019 05:46 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 01:16 kitaman27 wrote: Day One Vote Count
Mayor Holyflare (10): Tubesock, Alakaslam, Holyflare, rsoultin, Ace, Mr. Wiggles, BloodyC0bbler, Jockmcplop, Mocsta, [UoN]Sentinel Palmar (8): Palmar, Ticktock, Meapak_Zipphh, Acrofales, Vivax, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Conversion
Here are the votes from when the holyflare-palmar mayor was closest. At this point, it was known that HF wanted to lynch Palmar. I went through everyone's filter on holyflare's wagon, and was looking specifically for someone who voted for HF but then later criticized and wanted to lynch him for doing exactly what he said he would do. Of these, Alakaslam, Ace, Sentinel, all are guilty of this. This is highly highly suspicious, contradictory, and makes perfect sense from a mafia perspective. I think we should be lynching out of these three. I'm giving Ace a pass for the moment because he heavily argued for HF to be vigi'd during both nights, and otherwise is posting pretty townie (even if infrequent). I would put heavy bets on Alakaslam and Sentinel both being mafia. Furthermore, Sentinel is particuarly guilty of: 1. Being pretty active day 1 but never commenting on if he thought Palmar is scum or not. Considering that he is voting for HF, that he himself had different scum reads but never tried to convince HF, this is a huge red flag. 2. Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 11:29 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I think at this point lynching HF would be more beneficial to town based on at least D1/early N1 actions. I haven't been around for a lot of the last two days but it seems HF was outright malicious whereas BH has kinda been playing dumb. So I'm voting HF.
##Vote: Holyflare Sentinel calls HF "outright malicious", when he himself voted for him and never tried to change his view. Huge cognitive dissonance. 3. Had a huge town read on Ace last night and then comes in, votes Ace, and leaves immediately. After getting called out he says he will "explain later." Any townie would at least write something about why they did a complete 180; from my perspective he messed up with his fake viewpoints and didn't know how to justify.
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Onegu you come out of this looking scummy as fuck. You were here the whole time and never commented until after the lynch.
Slam and Onegu should be next on the chopping block.
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@onegu We had obvious scum and you were here the whole time in a close vote and never changed your vote despite having enough time. Instead you kept it on someone who never was going to be lynched.
Plus I agree with Ace. iamp dying puts crosshairs on the back of your head.
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Onegu sure loves talking now that the lynch is over.
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You should just feel lucky I don't have my shot anymore
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@chezinu where were you bro?
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I'm heading to sleep guys. great job
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Acro were you required to shoot day2 or did you have a choice to save your shot
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Im requesting medic protection. Pretty sure I will be shot dead today.
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Fuck busy again tonight. Can't do a last post but if I die slam and onegu need to be next lynches. Grack I saw your post but meta tells like that are shit compared to actual analyses. Any good player can change their meta, and honestly people can't read meta for shit.
Slam has two huge scum tells. He voted for HF and then later pushed HF for lynching palmar(extremely hypocritical and makes sense from mafia perspective). And he also, despite being very active most times, was completely "gone" during the sentinel lynch, and "convienantly" just showed up five minutes after. Yeah right. Lynch this guy.
Onegu has just been scummy this whole game, pushing me for absolutely no reason (like actually none. His reason was because of a misunderstanding of acros role later shown to he false. But onegu never backtracked. And he too convienantly afked during sentinel lynch. Also I can't do analysis because g2g but his whole filter is pretty bad.
If ace ever lives past night 4 he's 100% scum.
Acro is town I think. Don't agree with aces analysis at all. It's not anti town mechanic because he wasn't forced to shoot anyone.
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On March 12 2019 05:02 Acrofales wrote: @pandain: you have time to look at DF's filter?
I'll look at slam. Gotta do MZ first tho. His filter is huge and full of spam. You will get lost. Just pay attention to my points. It's obvious tells and he needs to he lynched.
Unfortunately no im literally leaving in a minute. Maybe I will be back in time. From memory he's basically inactive. Good possible lynch but short of a bombshell in his filter wouldn't lynch him tomorrow
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On March 12 2019 05:10 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2019 05:08 Pandain wrote:On March 12 2019 05:02 Acrofales wrote: @pandain: you have time to look at DF's filter?
I'll look at slam. Gotta do MZ first tho. His filter is huge and full of spam. You will get lost. Just pay attention to my points. It's obvious tells and he needs to he lynched. Unfortunately no im literally leaving in a minute. Maybe I will be back in time. From memory he's basically inactive. Good possible lynch but short of a bombshell in his filter wouldn't lynch him tomorrow DF's filter is 4 pages long and you call that huge? My filter must be a size of a T-Rex for you than lol...... Slams
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GG WP Ace and TW. TT is a weird shot. Either attempted blue snipe or he must have been on to something.
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Acro you think it's possible there are two mad hatters? I have been going back and forth on the issue.
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Another big issue is I think FF is more likely than Chez, but my two biggest scum reads are both pushing chez. Either getting wifomed or I'm wrong somewhere. I need to look at NKs.
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On March 12 2019 19:37 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2019 19:23 Pandain wrote: GG WP Ace and TW. TT is a weird shot. Either attempted blue snipe or he must have been on to something. Looking through ticktock's filter he doesn't really seem to be 'on to' much of anything. He was having an argument with mocsta but I don't really think that's indicative of anything. He mentions onegu but he's not really pushing it. I reckon it was an attempted blue snipe. The ace NK is confusing to me. I would have thought he was getting lynched soon anyway.
If he was town it was only a matter of time. I said it before but if he ever lived to day four he needed to be lynched ASAP.
@acro I agree it's nonsensical and he's backtracking now but it also 100% seemed like a serious claim in the beginning.
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Acro are you actually SK?
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Im hesitant to post because it's a can of worms but acro being SK completely explains:
1. How iamp died despite being vet. Him being roleblocked over koshi and marv doesn't seem likely. 2. Why Rayn and Ace were killed despite one fucking up and spamming the thread and the other being lynch bait and barely surviving a lynch. Both were gunning for Acro. 3. Why it seems like mafia kp hasn't gone down despite two mafia dying. There's no way it's a constant kp and I can't remember playing a game where you had to kill 3 mafia to remove a KP.
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Yeah I agree with you. Also there's some big flaws. Damdred was killed with Rayn night 2 and acro claimed it, so Acro either couldn't have killed rayn or he is big time bluffing and is really stupid and mafia definitely knows who he is (Unlikely).
But if a red ever gets shot we know who to look at.
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Completely agree. Also perhaps most importantly he decided to afk during when sentinel was getting lynched despite actually making a post during that time.
My scum team right now is onegu slam mz rels. The fact three of them were pushing Chez also puts him into the town column.
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Why did you peace out during the sentinel lynch? You posted in the hour before the deadline but never commented on it despite it being the most important thing at the time
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The problem is you didn't just "Think" I was more scummy or even entertain the possibility that it could just be a bad shot. You said I was "confirmed scum" and that it was obvious.
You can say HF was more likely town after the flip; I agree in general but he still did a whole bunch of scummy shit the two days before. You saying after the flips that it was a foregone conclusion he is town. That is not the uncertainty of a townie; it's the certainty of a scum.
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You can't say you were afk/busy when you took the time to post twice in the hour before the deadline and you posted extremely actively right after the lynch. You chose not to comment.
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It's a little bit pointless. What are you hoping to find out?
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Who do you think is scum? What do you think of Chez's vet claim?
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Since the past two days, you haven't commented scum or town read's on anyone besides me and Chez, despite having three pages of filter.
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On March 14 2019 02:53 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2019 02:14 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Not only do I believe chez's claim but I don't like any of the people who are voting for him right now.
Gonna vote Onegu for now. He not getting lynched today. Do you think he's scum?
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Very suspicious acro. We all know you're a lawyer not a computer scientist
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I'm heavily distracted on a phone call but if you believe as scum I led a bandwagon away from town ace to a very suspicious and likely future lynch sentinel, you need to rethink this game.
And I didn't just participate the bandwagon, I was the strongest one.
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Like what the fuck idea is that.
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@TS if I was scum and needed to defend ace, I wouldn't have gone so far to lead a huge bandwagon away from him.
By the way all games I've played with traitor mafia has known them. Can I get even a little bit of credit for lynching scum?
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I really thought town was in agreement about slam and onegu but this Lynch on TS appeared out of nowhere
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Can someone link the TS case?
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I mean really at this point it should be obvious I'm town.
1. Day vig- usually town, I shot (at the very least) an anti town player. 2. Led the lynch away from town ace 3. Led the lynch towards sentinel.
If I keep hearing people fos me it's hard to take seriously anymore if you're actually town. And starting to get scummy.
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I was being lenient because we aren't sure if mafia knows the traitor but come on all those together should seal it. Honestly I expected to be shot tonight but I guess mafia knew there was doubt.
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On March 14 2019 04:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2019 04:45 Pandain wrote: I mean really at this point it should be obvious I'm town.
1. Day vig- usually town, I shot (at the very least) an anti town player. 2. Led the lynch away from town ace 3. Led the lynch towards sentinel.
If I keep hearing people fos me it's hard to take seriously anymore if you're actually town. And starting to get scummy. No thats not how this works. You don't get to magically clear yourself. Lead a lynch on a few more scum and I may rethink it but that shot was garbage with plenty of scum motivation and your play has been lacking. I'm not pushing you hard yet bc I have stronger reads to work through but you don't get a hall pass.
Oh so I would have to lynch a few more scum? So maybe after two more lynches of mafia you can finally rethink me? And my play has been lacking? I'm sorry did you lynch Sentinel, or was that me? Hmmmm
You're pretty suspicious actually MZ. Other people have mentioned things, but I'm just going to rehash two here.
On March 02 2019 10:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 10:41 Conversion wrote:On March 02 2019 10:41 LightningStrike wrote:On March 02 2019 10:40 Conversion wrote: I'm mafia with Damdred, Chezinu, Blazinghand, iamperfection, ExO_, and Vivax
good last game guys GG wp So you saying Trfel lied about being mafia earlier? yeah we should lynch him for lying tbh Hmm. I'm gonna go with the assumption that you're just BSing. But I wanna know why you picked those specific players for you scum team? There's no way any townie doesn't realize that's a joke. Or that there would be no way to get any information from Conversation. What are you expecting? This is such a fake post. This follow up post just makes it worse. + Show Spoiler + On March 02 2019 11:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 10:58 Tumblewood wrote:On March 02 2019 10:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 02 2019 10:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: What does it matter who he picked and why if he isn't actually mafia? lol who says he's not mafia? u said you thought he was BSing in that post, so why did you care how he chose people? especially since it was almost certainly completely arbitrary I mean I doubt he just gave up the entire scum team (which is why I said it was probably BS) but I certainly don't think he's somehow cleared. I'm even more interested now since he has apparently read my poking at him as me thinking I've got an "ironclad case"
And you keep criticizing my decision to shoot HF when you yourself thought there was plenty of doubt over HF + Show Spoiler + On March 06 2019 11:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 10:59 Holyflare wrote:On March 06 2019 10:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 05 2019 07:36 Jockmcplop wrote: I've been keeping up but not posting. Shouldn't trfel be here defending himself if he's scum instead of that 'take it or leave it' bullshit? On March 05 2019 07:56 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm voting trfel because so many people have reads on him and I'm not sure what's going on with BH at all. Soo post one suggests that you think trfel is town and then you decide to vote for him as scum bc "you don't know whats going on with BC" HMMMMMM Also you're one of those HF lurker voters... On March 05 2019 18:37 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 05 2019 18:29 rsoultin wrote: i'm done with you acro. go back to something interesting, if you can manage it. calling your maybes in your reads list bad was a good start
@jock uhhuh...yeah i don't get how you read this game and claim that hf didn't have a scumread on palmar that he made overwhelmingly clear multiple times including his intention to use the mayor lynch to vote him. if your uncommitted to any pov is your way of saying he's scum i guess that makes some sense but it's a lot of words just to nullread someone At one point he said he wasn't going to lynch palmar and was just using the platform to find out who would go for it. The he said that was a lie. This is the post that is making me question his motives and how genuine his palmar read was. This is literally hours after the flip dude. What about him literally killing palmar is making you question his motives. Jock you've waffled so many times on HF in the last 24 hours I can't help but feel like you're setting yourself up for either side of an HF lynch and you're just waiting to see which way the thread goes. You also ask a lot of questions and push very few reads. You have only one substantial post detailing who you think is scum and have done nothing to advance your case... my goodness we're gonna have quite the docket of scum once I'm done sifting through the HF voters. I like this post mz. Welcome to the club. Not sure you want into a club with me but you're in it. Yeah your club looks a bit like Chernobyl right now but I'll join since literally everyone has scumread me this game lmao. That said, all I'm doing rn is combing the filters on your voters list. You're retarded for killing Palmar but you may still turn out to be a town retard. + Show Spoiler +On March 06 2019 11:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 11:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont understand why jock has to be on both sides of hf lynch if hf is mafia? Its very easy to coordinate towards what you want and no need to waffle. I am really not sold on HF being scum just yet. If you wanna read the WIFOM I'll leave it in a spoiler. + Show Spoiler +Almost everyone in the game had a town read on HF INCLUDING PALMAR, prior to him killing Palmar. If you're scum and you're about to win mayor, why the fuck would you instantly blow that up. He could have killed any other of his reads and people would have praised him for it. Shit if BH was on his team he could have bused the shit out of him and been virtually confirmed town the rest of the game. What makes more sense to me is that HF is retarded and went for #bigplayz and got burned.
The fact it's clear you agree HF's play can be viewed as scummy, and then think it's a "scum claim" for me shooting him, reeks of TMI after the fact.
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Is there still support for an MZ wagon?
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I just read cases around TS and his post history. General argument is he doesn't really push anyone and is inactive. It seems like a shot in the dark.
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On March 13 2019 15:15 darthfoley wrote: I don’t know if The House Of Brown would dishonor his House by breaking the town seal, but there’s always a chance. And now claiming vet in a game with lots of KP flying around; it very well could be mafia vet.
On the other hand, Tubesock doesn’t have town seals, and has been even more under the radar than me. Vivax made a good point in that list post. It feels jumbled and rando explanations cobbled together. Someone also made a point earlier about how if TS were town, mafia would’ve tried to use him as lynch bait by now, which hasn’t happened. More town points to whoever said that.
Lynch TS and then move on to Acro for pushing me today after claiming cig and not dying
I think we should stop lynching people on day 4 because they are "Under the radar". Let's lynch people who do objectively scummy things.
Also who says he's not lynch bait now?
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For the record I think Onegu should be #1 lynch but I don't see any traction coming.
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I want to repeat why Onegu is a huge scum target:
1. Extremely inactive first two days 2. Active for a brief part of d3 where based on a misunderstanding of Acros role he argues that I and/or Chezinu are confirmed scum. His argument is that the host would never give a town vig 3 towns to shoot. I think it's extremely host wifom and very easy argument for mafia to make to try to lynch townies. 3. Active during the Sentinel lynch but practically AFKed during it 4. Was weirdly crazy adamant that no one receive town credit after the sentinel lynch. 5. Has no real scum leads or actually contributing to anything outside of his one weird tangent regarding acros role.
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On March 14 2019 05:27 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2019 05:17 Pandain wrote:On March 13 2019 15:15 darthfoley wrote: I don’t know if The House Of Brown would dishonor his House by breaking the town seal, but there’s always a chance. And now claiming vet in a game with lots of KP flying around; it very well could be mafia vet.
On the other hand, Tubesock doesn’t have town seals, and has been even more under the radar than me. Vivax made a good point in that list post. It feels jumbled and rando explanations cobbled together. Someone also made a point earlier about how if TS were town, mafia would’ve tried to use him as lynch bait by now, which hasn’t happened. More town points to whoever said that.
Lynch TS and then move on to Acro for pushing me today after claiming cig and not dying I think we should stop lynching people on day 4 because they are "Under the radar". Let's lynch people who do objectively scummy things. Also who says he's not lynch bait now? To be fair, "being under the radar" can be a legitimately scummy thing.
It can but it can also be townie. That's why I don't think it's enough. Contrast that with Onegu during the sentinel lynch, where he was obviously not lurking but was choosing not to comment on the sentinel lynch.
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On March 14 2019 05:30 LightningStrike wrote: Ya ExO ninja voted Onegu that's pretty scummy honestly.
yeah but conversation last second voted day 1 and we saw he was town.
ExO is a null to me.
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Honestly I just want one of MZ or Onegu lynched. But town needs to consolidate like last time or else mafia will make sure town gets lynched.
@grack, Oats, is there any chance you lynch MZ?
@acro, exO any chance you vote onegu?
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I also don't like the fact that all the Chez people are inactive. @rels, onegu, sL.
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On March 14 2019 05:37 Alakaslam wrote: ##Unvote
##Vote: Onegu
tfw your second biggest scum read votes for your biggest scum read. + Show Spoiler +
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On March 14 2019 05:45 LightningStrike wrote: Tubesock if you are town why you not moving your vote from Oats to either Chez or Onegu?
If he is mafia why is he not moving his vote?
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 12 2019 23:00 Tubesock wrote:Acrofales - confirmed Sicklucker -he picked up why Chez is scum and FF is town Fecalfeast - bombing Chez is brilliant. I believe his claim and he’s the only hatter. Onegu - feels plus I like his mechanical analysis LightningStrike - Trust of the dead, too active for mafia LS Vivax - he’s alive because he’s useful for mafia, he does not promote town circles. Alakaslam- feels. I used to study Slam. This isn’t like any Slam I’ve ever seen. But feels. Grackaroni - he had a few posts I thought were spot on. Mocsta - probably should be null. Hmm Jockmcplop Meapak_ziph Mr. Wiggles - I think he could be town BUT OMGUS, he half assed went after LS (LS rule), and most the dead wanted his lynch. Including Ticktock. Darthfoley - POE mostly Rels- mafia need a mason to find Traitor, Rsoultin said scum with good reason, and Ticktock, plus I think 8 blues is a bit much. Pandain- I’ll never believe that a town day vig would make this post + Show Spoiler [call 4 HF vig] +On March 08 2019 18:43 Pandain wrote: Hey everyone. For those who don't know me, I'm pretty sure it's pretty obvious to tell when I'm town or not when I'm actually playing. Expect to see a hell of a lot more activity, and actually I was pretty up to date with the whole part of day 2 when I asked Kita to replace after I saw AMG was similarly overwhelmed like me the first day.
I won't dwell on the past too much, but Holyflare 100% needs to be vigi'd tonight. It was remarkable watching the last day.
HF talk has already spammed the thread and later tonight I'm going to be looking into others, but I want to emphasize two points.
1. Fake claimed for no town reason . I don't care about fake claims in general ,I used to do it all the time. However, when Town does it it's because they have a reason to (and holyflare already established he did not just do it for the "Lolz".) There was no reason to fake-claim, and honestly I'm not sure about how it benefits mafia but it sure as hell makes no sense from a town perspective. Also can we just kill people who outright lie for no reason?
2. Furthermore, HF dying gives a huge amount of information. If he's mafia, I actually think we can start wrapping up the game because HF has been at the center of the thread and voting thread for both days. If he actually does just turn out to be a balls-out crazy town, I think it's very safe to say a good amount of mafia probably voted for him after he made his intentions clear to vote Palmar. Either way, town is in a good position.
However, I am pleading for a vigilante to end the job. The information best helps us if we know it at the start of the day cycle.
I'm actually not even certain I would support a Holyflare day 3 lynch.
Also just FYI BC and Ace need to die with fire if either of them live to day four. It’s so incredibly overexplainy for someone who is going to shoot Holyflare.
Oatsmaster- He townread then scumread Mr. Wiggles before this exchange + Show Spoiler [The Tube Trap] +On March 08 2019 04:42 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 04:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Mafia boi
If wriggles does the same thing as you in that his case on you can be applied to him, and you are town, doesn’t that mean he’s also town? How does it mean he’s mafia I never scumread him. So, it’s hilarious you are saying I’m scum for this, but apparently Wiggles is somehow town for doing exactly that. Take a look at my two posts: Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 18:52 Tubesock wrote: Wiggles, you’ve been scumming me since before I even scummed Trfel. Yet you’ve never voted me. Why not? You seem pretty convinced, you have some others who agree. Think about what you say because I’m going to have great satisfaction copy and pasting things from your case on me in my defense. Then Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 21:47 Tubesock wrote: Wiggles is funny to me. I feel like I can just take his case on me, and find/replace his name for mine and submit it with equal fervor. Plus we voted on both wagons so we can’t be too far off. Why do you think i wrote the big and bold?? It’s a fucking trap and you fell right into it. Oatsmaster didn’t bother to read anything more than the single post and looking for “reads” at the shallowest of levels. You went straight to Tube is mafia because of this “slip” you found. Yet you had no idea it was a trap and you fell into it!!! This action on your part is representative of your entire game. You are mafia. Oatsmaster, who waffles on Mr. Wiggles, immediately takes Wiggles word without hesitation or investigating the truthfulness of either mine or Wiggles filter and says I’m scum. This of course was based on a flat lie that Oatsmaster didn’t bother at all to investigate. He shouldn’t have trusted Wiggles word as he didn’t show any indication that he strongly townread Wiggles. A town always distrusts, and when I confronted Oats, he was just “oh I’m wrong, whoops” and then just did whatever he was doing. I would think town would question Wiggles a bit after that. Chezinu - there’s four scenarios concerning the Great FF/Chezinu Mad Hatter Debate of 2019. 1)Both are Mafia. This would be so goddamn genius. Lynch one they flip mafia and the other is confirmed town with 0% chance of being questioned for not being NK’d. Having a backup Cop flip day one and HF going on how this is a themed game I can see a world where Chez and FF think up this shit. Especially if Sicklucker is mafia also. They’re all crafty. But I think it is unnecessary and considering there’s only two dead mafia, I think it’s unlikely. But yolo end of era plays. HF tried one. 2) Fecalfeast/Chezinu- a one for one would be a complete waste. Almost zero chance. 3) both town- possible. Mafia could hold the shot on FF hoping they could mlynch Chezinu, and then shoot FF if he places a bomb on a mafia friendly target the next night. Seems needlessly risky for two free dead towns. 4)FecalfeastCezinu- mafia would never shoot in this instance unless for some crazy bad reason they thought FF was lying about his bomb. I think this is by far the most likely situation. My vote will not waver from Chezinu.
I haven’t had internet since Thursday. Apologies. This Thursday and Friday I probably won’t have it again. There were technical difficulties at work. I’m caught up, going to be rereading stuff. I’ll be here for several hours. I mean this is a bad post and the only reason I don't feel bad if TS gets lynched, but I wouldn't lynch him just on this.
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On March 14 2019 06:13 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2019 06:05 Pandain wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 12 2019 23:00 Tubesock wrote:Acrofales - confirmed Sicklucker -he picked up why Chez is scum and FF is town Fecalfeast - bombing Chez is brilliant. I believe his claim and he’s the only hatter. Onegu - feels plus I like his mechanical analysis LightningStrike - Trust of the dead, too active for mafia LS Vivax - he’s alive because he’s useful for mafia, he does not promote town circles. Alakaslam- feels. I used to study Slam. This isn’t like any Slam I’ve ever seen. But feels. Grackaroni - he had a few posts I thought were spot on. Mocsta - probably should be null. Hmm Jockmcplop Meapak_ziph Mr. Wiggles - I think he could be town BUT OMGUS, he half assed went after LS (LS rule), and most the dead wanted his lynch. Including Ticktock. Darthfoley - POE mostly Rels- mafia need a mason to find Traitor, Rsoultin said scum with good reason, and Ticktock, plus I think 8 blues is a bit much. Pandain- I’ll never believe that a town day vig would make this post + Show Spoiler [call 4 HF vig] +On March 08 2019 18:43 Pandain wrote: Hey everyone. For those who don't know me, I'm pretty sure it's pretty obvious to tell when I'm town or not when I'm actually playing. Expect to see a hell of a lot more activity, and actually I was pretty up to date with the whole part of day 2 when I asked Kita to replace after I saw AMG was similarly overwhelmed like me the first day.
I won't dwell on the past too much, but Holyflare 100% needs to be vigi'd tonight. It was remarkable watching the last day.
HF talk has already spammed the thread and later tonight I'm going to be looking into others, but I want to emphasize two points.
1. Fake claimed for no town reason . I don't care about fake claims in general ,I used to do it all the time. However, when Town does it it's because they have a reason to (and holyflare already established he did not just do it for the "Lolz".) There was no reason to fake-claim, and honestly I'm not sure about how it benefits mafia but it sure as hell makes no sense from a town perspective. Also can we just kill people who outright lie for no reason?
2. Furthermore, HF dying gives a huge amount of information. If he's mafia, I actually think we can start wrapping up the game because HF has been at the center of the thread and voting thread for both days. If he actually does just turn out to be a balls-out crazy town, I think it's very safe to say a good amount of mafia probably voted for him after he made his intentions clear to vote Palmar. Either way, town is in a good position.
However, I am pleading for a vigilante to end the job. The information best helps us if we know it at the start of the day cycle.
I'm actually not even certain I would support a Holyflare day 3 lynch.
Also just FYI BC and Ace need to die with fire if either of them live to day four. It’s so incredibly overexplainy for someone who is going to shoot Holyflare.
Oatsmaster- He townread then scumread Mr. Wiggles before this exchange + Show Spoiler [The Tube Trap] +On March 08 2019 04:42 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 04:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Mafia boi
If wriggles does the same thing as you in that his case on you can be applied to him, and you are town, doesn’t that mean he’s also town? How does it mean he’s mafia I never scumread him. So, it’s hilarious you are saying I’m scum for this, but apparently Wiggles is somehow town for doing exactly that. Take a look at my two posts: Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 18:52 Tubesock wrote: Wiggles, you’ve been scumming me since before I even scummed Trfel. Yet you’ve never voted me. Why not? You seem pretty convinced, you have some others who agree. Think about what you say because I’m going to have great satisfaction copy and pasting things from your case on me in my defense. Then Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 21:47 Tubesock wrote: Wiggles is funny to me. I feel like I can just take his case on me, and find/replace his name for mine and submit it with equal fervor. Plus we voted on both wagons so we can’t be too far off. Why do you think i wrote the big and bold?? It’s a fucking trap and you fell right into it. Oatsmaster didn’t bother to read anything more than the single post and looking for “reads” at the shallowest of levels. You went straight to Tube is mafia because of this “slip” you found. Yet you had no idea it was a trap and you fell into it!!! This action on your part is representative of your entire game. You are mafia. Oatsmaster, who waffles on Mr. Wiggles, immediately takes Wiggles word without hesitation or investigating the truthfulness of either mine or Wiggles filter and says I’m scum. This of course was based on a flat lie that Oatsmaster didn’t bother at all to investigate. He shouldn’t have trusted Wiggles word as he didn’t show any indication that he strongly townread Wiggles. A town always distrusts, and when I confronted Oats, he was just “oh I’m wrong, whoops” and then just did whatever he was doing. I would think town would question Wiggles a bit after that. Chezinu - there’s four scenarios concerning the Great FF/Chezinu Mad Hatter Debate of 2019. 1)Both are Mafia. This would be so goddamn genius. Lynch one they flip mafia and the other is confirmed town with 0% chance of being questioned for not being NK’d. Having a backup Cop flip day one and HF going on how this is a themed game I can see a world where Chez and FF think up this shit. Especially if Sicklucker is mafia also. They’re all crafty. But I think it is unnecessary and considering there’s only two dead mafia, I think it’s unlikely. But yolo end of era plays. HF tried one. 2) Fecalfeast/Chezinu- a one for one would be a complete waste. Almost zero chance. 3) both town- possible. Mafia could hold the shot on FF hoping they could mlynch Chezinu, and then shoot FF if he places a bomb on a mafia friendly target the next night. Seems needlessly risky for two free dead towns. 4)FecalfeastCezinu- mafia would never shoot in this instance unless for some crazy bad reason they thought FF was lying about his bomb. I think this is by far the most likely situation. My vote will not waver from Chezinu.
I haven’t had internet since Thursday. Apologies. This Thursday and Friday I probably won’t have it again. There were technical difficulties at work. I’m caught up, going to be rereading stuff. I’ll be here for several hours. I mean this is a bad post and the only reason I don't feel bad if TS gets lynched, but I wouldn't lynch him just on this. It doesn't bother you in the slightest that acrofales is somehow confirmed even though his role description is out of the ordinary, and he's calling you scum?
I think Acro is near-confirmed. I mean if he was mafia and just wanted to just shoot someone he could have shot anyone and not created a "Lurker vig" story. Why make up a fake role?
Regarding scumming, 100% yes. But people are idiots and/or wrong often. When we're looking to catch scum, we shouldn't look for just bad reasoning unless it is really really really bad. We should be looking for contradictions, lack of real effort, and actions.
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I mean that's how we get sentinel. He appeared out of nowhere to vote Ace (despite townreading him earlier), and he pushed HF after voting for him to lynch palmar. It wasn't because "his arguments sucked"
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I switched the names. What do you think of Onegu is what I meant.
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Vivax what about TS is scummy and not just "dumb"
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I actually think Jock is pretty town. He's contributing pretty nonstop. I'm always inclined to think those people town.
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At the very worst Acro is SK. He's almost certainly not scum. If he was scum he could just claim regular vigilante and not come up with a fake role.
Unless you think he's a mafia lurker vigilante, which is pretty....weird . It seems like a more pro-town role.
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Unfortunately I have to head to sleep. Going to be shifting my vote to Onegu because MZ is going nowhere.
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I can't see any way TS gets lynched tomorrow. We need to consolidate on onegu.
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Acro just accept your fate with me. We're both going to be shot tonight and then scum will push exo or someone random.
Last thing I will do tonight is listening to the dead zone radio.
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If SK is out there you need to shoot scum if you want to win
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Honestly I forgot Millers exist too
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We're not lynching oats. This whole game is pretty clear based on what happened last night and today.
There's one obvious scum. I'll be back in a few hours and will make a longer post
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On March 16 2019 01:29 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2019 22:54 Mocsta wrote: Thats good enough for me I would rather we consolidate on a lynch early Im a bit concerned how little ppl have posted since deadline
Lol pandain prob assumes he is dead
##unvote Vote: oatsmaster
Good shit acro Night YOU DONT HAVE A RED CHECK DO YOU MOCSTA
No complete bullshit. None of his checks make sense if you look at his filter.
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I'm here now. Who's around?
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Mocsta is almost certainly bullshiting about his claim, making him almost certainly mafia
Nothing about his claim makes sense.
1. He claimed parity cop last night already, without revealing his checks. If he was really cop and was afraid to get shot, he almost certainly would have revealed his checks right before day. Not doing this shows he either isn't afraid of getting shot, or he doesn't care about revealing his information, neither of which makes sense if he's actually cop. 2. None of his checks make sense. Let's see who he says a. Koshi night one - Makes no sense. Mocsta had a strong town read on Koshi. Why would you check someone you have a town read on, especially when they were not posting at all like Koshi night one? + Show Spoiler + On March 06 2019 08:30 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 02:37 Vivax wrote: Anyway, here's my 100% scummers in case I die.
Iamp, Oats, Marv, Sentinel.
My 50 % scummers. Half of those are townies.
rsoultin, Wiggles, Pandain, ExO, BH, TS
Rayn not mafia cause can't be mafia with iamp in 9/10 cases. HF just decided to be a selfish dumbass and shit up the game and hurt my feelings, but alas, he's town by PoE. He literally doesn't give a shit about being townread when town. All he cares about is that people are wrong about him no matter his alignment so he can pat himself on the back. I absolutely agree on that. You/acro/koshi/jock/HF are pretty much my only town reads. Note this is 30 minutes before day 2, so as recent that night as you can get b. Holyflare night two - Same deal here, Mocsta thought he was town. See spoilers below. Not only that, Mocsta was scumreading people like Exo and Oats. Like the last night, this filter makes no sense. I will also say this is the "lazy" choice for a fakeclaim check night two, as I bet with all the drama most people would have checked him if not the night before. However based on Mocsta's filter? No way.
+ Show Spoiler + On March 07 2019 20:20 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 20:14 Holyflare wrote: I don't understand why anyone even thinks I'm mafia that would trade 1 for 1 with Palmar for absolutely no reason at all.
Then they make up some bs like they don't even remember how the d1 vote count went. There was no real vote count for 20 minutes after deadline. they are voting you because you are an internet narcissist. You have 10% of the page count for what? Congrats, you won the last mayor, and in my opinion wrecked town atmosphere. I dont think you are scum, I actually thought you were pretty sincere before you when you said you were burnt out. Makes sense, its a bucket load of effort to maintain. Acro has been putting it in equally too you know. I really think you are both town. I really want damdred lynched. or someone from the lurker pool Or vivax, i dont care at this point. I invested most of my energy into Ace and for what. fuckn 3P. sigh. + Show Spoiler + On March 08 2019 11:02 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 07:57 WaveofShadow wrote: Hf I feel like so much of what you've done is based on whether people are defending you or what their reads of the unflipped BH are. yep and thats what most townies do under pressure focus on anything to do with them. c. Ticktock night three - Alright, maybe, in that he was at least scumming him before.
However, it is also convenient that they just all happen to be dead as well. And there's no way town had three cops, that's way way way too imbalanced. Can you imagine if the cops did not die day 1? This game would have been over from long before.
However, the final nail in the coffin is that Mocsta rescinded his vote on DF. We are in a possible lylo situation right now depending on KP and how many mafia there are. Why would a parity cop who just checked someone who is red ever in a million years not keep pushing for his red check? Makes absolutely no sense if he's telling the truth.
If we actually are in a lylo situation, it would be a perfect time for mafia to fake claim because they just need to get one person lynched. The whole circumstances surrounding Mocsta are super sketchy, shady, and scummy, and he's practically mafia in my book now.
These circumstances also makes darthfoley a strong town in my book. If he is town, I'm not surprised that mafia would fakeclaim check him considering there is tons of suspicion on him.
In short, he's contradictory, his "checks" don't make sense, and he isn't playing like someone who just checked scum.
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Ah I see Mocsta did reveal his checks before the night. Regardless, the rest of everything still stands.
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Anyone on the Oats train should be extremely disturbed that Mocsta abandoned his check to vote for Oats.
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Because he revealed his checks I might be persuaded to vote onegu but it 100% should not be oats based on how easily mocsta switched
Needs to be between mocsta and onegu
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I mean he claimed to check someone and listed previous checks what else are you looking for lol
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Good point regarding millers, makes it more unlikely we have three cops.
Also Onegu is not survivor lol. He thought he "100%" found scum between me and Chezinu. If he was survivor and thought he 100% found a great point that therefore led to scum he would not have posted it. He campaigned way too hard on me and Chezinu's lynch.
Ironically Onegu should be seen as basically mafia at this point. It's probably in his best interest to work with mafia since they are one or two lynches away from winning. Even if he ended up being survivor, it would be a great lynch as long as we're not in lylo.
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@Acro maybe Oats is scum, but one post where he is oddly polite with BC is nowhere near good enough for me to vote him today, which is what started your campaign with him.
And re: Mocsta it makes me doubt he's scum, certainly if Mocsta flips red.
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Onegu if you don't want to be lynched I suggest you vote your scumbuddy Mocsta. Otherwise I might change my mind and push for you instead.
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Haha I mean Acro come on we're not going to lynch someone day 5 because they were oddly polite to a scum 1.
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Also no offense Acro but the case on Oats is sooooooo weak. Like there's not even any analysis of scuminess, it's all meta.
Jock, Mocsta, and Tubesock all get major scum points for following that case so easily.
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Also MZ for saying he will sheep Acro after he made his case on Oats, because it's basically the same thing.
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@Slam I want thoughts from you
I also want a mason from Rels next round.
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On March 16 2019 06:11 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2019 06:08 Pandain wrote: Also no offense Acro but the case on Oats is sooooooo weak. Like there's not even any analysis of scuminess, it's all meta.
Jock, Mocsta, and Tubesock all get major scum points for following that case so easily. Uh I cased Oats days ago. I’m not following Acro.
Fair enough.
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Darth you think there's a chance Mocsta is town?
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What are you talking about tubesock.
Literally my whole sentinel lynch was based off the fact HF was town.
Are you not reading my filter at all?
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And based off analyses of the people who voted for him day 1 and day 2
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Like because I shot him we got to a point where we lynched scum. And even though he ended up being town he was playing very anti town and so the shot is not bad anyway.
You can think it was a bad shot. That's your right. But it's not my opinion.
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You can say me pushing sentinel doesn't mean anything. First of all, we don't know that. Mafia very well might have known who the traitor is. But okay, we don't know for sure.
But you can't argue that I led a lynch away from town ace (maybe best player in the game) towards someone who easily (if I was scum) could have been lynched later.
I don't agree at all that oats post re bc makes him scum, but I'll look at his filter and see what I think.
Mocstas craziness has convinced me I won't vote for him today. Still what an absolutely terrible claim.
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The obvious answer is that the thread was 300 pages and he replaced in and had no real idea what was going on
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I think this is just as weak as your read on Oats. The guy was afk, gave a couple of reads that people asked him, realized he was overwhelmed and couldn't properly play the game so voted bh because he did something sus.
The problem is you are reading into him as to what you would have done, not what AMG decided to do
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As to why he focused on Rayn it's because Rayn specifically called him out to give thoughts
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Acro I know you're town so you need to focus. Why would I if I was scum lead a lynch away from the best player in the game (town)
In a million years
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Honestly as long as you aren't trying to lynch me today I don't care. We can find scum together and agree on that
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I have to be afk for the next 7 or so hours and then I'll bring back with my thoughts
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Back for a little. Oats is not scum. Case on him is meta and bullshit.
Wont do new filter dives but I think MZ is scum for reasons ive said before.
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This game is a trainwreck
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I'm not mafia.
And if you had listened to me we wouldn't be at LYLO next round (if we hadn't lost already)
Instead no one fucking listens and we lynch fucking town.
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I told you your case was bullshit. It was all meta and meta is so unreliable.
We could have lynched Onegu (who we both think is scum). Almost everyone thinks Onegu is scum.
We could have lynched the guy fakeclaiming cop and saying crazy things like "man oats was so town" after he voted to lynch him rofl.
On March 17 2019 10:02 Mocsta wrote: Damn that sucks
Gg oats
Im only up to 435 but oats seemed town as fuck. Felt likr blazonghand up for kynch all over again
I get acro being tunneled thats ok The rest .. hmmm
Whats the point Game is prob technically over bar a specific night action combo
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We could have even lynched MZ. I was down for lynching any of these people.
And the funniest part is you still think I'm mafia because "AMG didn't play like he should have"
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The one guy who lynched scum this whole game is your scum target. lol.
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I apologize. I don't mean to be mean or anything. I'm just disappointed like you. And I really have not been playing well either.
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Hey if the game hasn't ended yet that means we still have a chance to win.
If we can just take this one lynch at a time we can definitely finish this.
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