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On February 24 2019 10:34 Tictock wrote: No issues. Im happy you joined.Humm... Spirit of the last big Hurrah makes me want to /in But... My mental state has really only gotten worse since the last time I played so I would likely either remain pretty aloof or just be a detriment to whatever side I end up on. Yea, assuming I remember this whenever it starts I should prob just obs. I will totally cave to peer pressure and play though... assuming nobody has issues with me, which I'd totally understand after how I acted last game. | ||
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Doubt I will be here first 48hrs much.. if anyone tries to lynch me for that => MAFIA | ||
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Im guessing best filters to read are sentinrl + palmar/hf? | ||
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On March 03 2019 23:47 WaveofShadow wrote: Hai mocsta! Not missing much. Hf/rayn yelling at each other, Palmar wants mayor to dispose of sentinel cause he won't read his role pm. Pretty stavdard stuff. Hmmm So far i read sentinel / sicklucker / palmar Sentinel seems ok. Like his first couple posts were iffy but seemed quite comfortable/relaxed esp when asking for vote pile up. I didnt like acro in sentinel filter. Cheesy focus on lurjers.. reqd like he was polishing a turd. Im not against a policy lynch but it would be purely that. I would prefer mayor vote on him so ppl are forced to take a stand for the lynch itself. Sicklucker i read cos i thought he was tubesock lol... filter seemed ok too. Nothing stood out to me and seemdd to have some focus. Not posting to shit the thread Palmar filter was good because it had some quotes from rayn and acro. I like that rayn picked up on acro.. palmars counter about weak play are fair and aceo is a solid player. But i give higher credit to weekend and massive game = preference to cop out even if mafia. I do like palmat back and forth with rayn and even though i know palmar excels at pushing for thread soapbox position it read as if he was trying to work with the thread instead of pretend to keep up a facade. Onto acro filter now | ||
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Posting is quite hot/cold and the generic mafia stuff is over embellished - i get why palmar says its "logical" but doesnt mean it came from town.. its just general knowledge play in my opinion. I woukd give him town credit for posting when saying hes busy but theres a overarching tone of ?anger / haste?. My only hesitation is i already was leaning against him before i read filter - so i am interrsted in where others sit with acro. Gonna read oats now | ||
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On March 03 2019 07:29 Oatsmaster wrote: i love this post.Accusing you of being a bad man, what does it look like Great energy and cknsistent filter | ||
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Trfel is next filter. This reads very forced.. and doesnt remind me at all of the toen!trfel i was looking forward to playing with. That trfel was patient and poised. Accumulating 110% of info before unveiling.. this is too cheap and easy from him. I woukd be happy to lynch off this singlepost actually. | ||
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On March 02 2019 10:01 Trfel wrote: Hi, I am mafia  So acro is banging on about lynch all liars and policy etc Why is this ignored?!? | ||
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On March 02 2019 21:59 Trfel wrote: I actually kinda want to lynch sicklucker. He's currently contributed almost no reads (if I recall correctly, dislike of Acrofales and a town-to-meh read on rsoultin). Yet he took the time to defend himself verbosely from the slightest suspicion of rsoultin, which feels highly overdefensive, but his argument was defending his townread of rsoultin while his read, just previously posted, seemed far less committed: Does that make sense? It doesn't look like he's trying to find mafia, just trying to exist. Bad post and trfel knows it Town can have all these symptoms.. which is why he hesitates with i kinds want to... | ||
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Im ok with palmar mayor to policy lynch sentinel My lynch is trfel or acro. I will place on whoever has highest vote count at this point. Ciao | ||
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On March 04 2019 05:40 Pandain wrote: alarm bellI'm only halfway through and might not even completely finishing catching up tonight, but I'm just going to say anyone who favors policy lynches is completely making the wrong decision. We literally already have over 60 pages of information to find scum, let's not waste a lynch. Favoring policy lynches encourages lazy play and for mafia just to blend in with bland reasons, and it doesn't benefit town because most people who get lynched from a policy lynched are the people who don't give a fuck (most likely town). Policy lynches are only good as a threat to promote good behavior, they're not good to actually implement. But I'm pretty sure most people favoring them right now don't have that view. Berates town when not even caught up..... | ||
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On March 04 2019 05:44 Holyflare wrote: I've never played with Ace but I've been told he's good at both alignments and does things like that as both. Unnecessarily strong read imo. Bingo Pandain in my top 3 lynches | ||
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On March 04 2019 06:01 Ace wrote: Town consensus is influenced by scum posts. Mayor shouldn't follow it to the tee. Mayor should be someone with their own ideas about who is likely scum while considering "the town's" opinions. We want a leader not a sheep 😁 Im the minority that liked your idea but thats probably influenced by i have a personal attachment tk wanting lurkers to be more jnvovled That aside.. the mayor is a one tjme lynxh i believe so sheep/leader distinguishment is irrelevant No powera beyond one extra lynxh | ||
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On March 04 2019 06:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote: good post.see shit like this makes me still see you as mafia whereas your analysis post was one that was making me second guess my read -_- I thought your one on iamp was completely out of flow with the thread cos it wqs a solid post. This makea much sense | ||
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On March 04 2019 07:46 Holyflare wrote: I also think Mocsta purposefully neglected to read my filter over the ones he "chose" so he could have an excuse to join the Palmar mayor wagon. Not true I was going to read urs last of the three. But palmars led me down the path it did and i was content I havent read urs and will avoid it as long as i can. Mainly because i suspect ur filter is big and cos i havent seen anything untoward from you that others quoted | ||
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On March 04 2019 18:14 Holyflare wrote: Only talks about town reads, has no suspicions on pretty much anything in the game. Perpetuates nonsense policy lynch after he likes Sentinel's effort when he hasn't even read it. His last post about acro is entirely a wall of hedge whereby he looks like he's falsely weighing up Acro's alignment but really it's wishy washy and says nothing. His iamp read looks completely bs too for similar reasons to his acro read. Iamp is town but wait here's reasons I can say he's not town later in the game. None of this is concrete town palmar stuff. There's also the fact we can acknowledge that mafia were pushing for his candidacy if he does flip mafia Hf u swayed my mayor vote | ||
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On March 04 2019 18:40 Holyflare wrote: bingoI think there's quite a few obvious reasons Sentinel could do what he's done, as town, and none of them should make him the lynch today. I thought his tone changed posirively since the claim Not worth a lynch or mayor snipe . Especially wuth turds like acro / trfwl and exo around | ||
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On March 04 2019 18:55 Palmar wrote: yes my posts have no directionHe's not berating town at all, he's making an argument on how to play the game. It's actually put forward in a pretty respectful way. Of course it's fucking wrong but that's not the point. I fully believe Pandain actually believes what he's say. Overall I dislike Mocsta's filter. Okay, so you think it's a bad post... and then what? I mean, Mocsta is not wrong, town does stupid shit, but the entire point of the exercise is to figure out which stupid shit is done by mafia. Even the wording on "Town can have all these symptoms" doesn't invalidate Trfel's point that mafia could have those symptoms. If it's such a bad post do you want to investigate Trfel? Because you didn't post about him ever again since then. Or was it simply a defense of sicklucker? I didn't think your "not posting shit in the thread" read on sicklucker is strong enough to warrant defending him. Overall the feeling I get from Mocsta is he's either attacking or complimenting single posts (the two I quoted, some post by BC etc) without much direction. He's not trying to get anything done, he's just... posting. He's a really good candidate for mafia. So why does that make me a good candidate for mafia. U clearly are skimming my less than one page filter because its clear i did investigste trfel and spelled out a clear conclusion. Again. Ither than me rescinding my mayor vote on yoy and agreeing with some hf points. Why are yoy treating my filter as worst possible scenario. Why are you ignoring exo.. | ||
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On March 04 2019 19:49 Mocsta wrote: the more i think about this palmar post. Thr more annoyed i getyes my posts have no direction So why does that make me a good candidate for mafia. U clearly are skimming my less than one page filter because its clear i did investigste trfel and spelled out a clear conclusion. Again. Ither than me rescinding my mayor vote on yoy and agreeing with some hf points. Why are yoy treating my filter as worst possible scenario. Why are you ignoring exo.. Its bullshit. Im town and have no knowledge of scum or setup Im nkt rjnning for mayor The mayor / kynch is effectively spoken for.. What direction exactly is he expecting from me If i post. Its no direction. If i dont post. Im useless town tonbe vigged Hes creating a damned if you do. Damned if you dont srgument. Its bullshit and i sont like it. | ||
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On March 04 2019 19:57 Palmar wrote: Why dont you ask me then to explain further.I'm not treating your filter as worst possible scenario, I just looked at what was in it, which wasn't very much. I think it's not clear you investigated Trfel, you've not explained your reasoning for suspecting him beyond the one post I quoted. I'm not saying Trfel is town or anything, just that your reasons are trash. At the top of this page there is a list showing the people I have opinion on, that's about a third of the game maybe. Why are you asking me about exo? Why not Ace? Conversion? BC? Oats? or anyone else out of the 20 or so people I haven't gotten around to reading yet? Im on a phone. Im not going to quote posts unless I need to. Its a pain in the arse. I said I was happy with a vote on acro or trfel. I voted acro. Fair point on the exo; I asked about him cos I thought his posts in the past 5 or whatever pages were shite and you would have read. But i accept your counter point. I have to read your post again to see where I go with that - I probably fixated on me, assuming its the same one. | ||
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On March 04 2019 20:06 Palmar wrote: *clap clap*No Neither does anyone else, doesn't stop them helping. So what? No it's not, the mayor race is very close and the lynch is on a very active player who is almost certainly going to make an effort not to get lynched. I'm expecting you to argue for your positions. This is incorrect. I want you to post, I'm just looking for your posts being in some coherent line of thought, some objective. If you want to make sure HF becomes the mayor, convince someone to help you do that. If you think Acro is the mafia, keep making the case. To be fair though, this outburst looks kinda less scummy so I'm on the fence on your alignment. Starting to think maybe you're just really, really bad and not mafia. you're just really, realy bad see. this is why this is the last game on this forum. Terrible mentality. To be honest, I didn't sign up to be abused like this. No you didn't hurt my feelings, but Im not gonna put up with this crap. I will give you one warning. Be a shithead like this again, and I will modkill. I have played fairly, and whether my style is to your liking, is YOUR problem to deal with. | ||
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I will give you the courtesy of doing a re-read on Acrofales and Trfel before I go play AC: Odyssey. Im on computer so will be more transparent in what i see in either | ||
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On March 04 2019 20:18 Palmar wrote: Bullshit.That's not my job. If I see 2 people vote Acro, one makes a case and actively tries to get him lynched and the other one is "I'm fine with lynching Acro" and then not another word, it's usually obvious which one I believe is invested in getting the correct lynch. The onus is on you to push your ideas. You are debating about philosophy of how to play the game. Just because I differ, doesnt make me any less town or scum. There is a time and place to push; and when I entered Day1, the game was already at somehwat of a steady-state. I dont believe sicklucker even made a case on acro, so you are being intentionally malicious in your recollection of events towards me. | ||
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On March 04 2019 20:19 Tubesock wrote: Thats a nice gesture. however, Im not willing to put the effort in.Mod killing yourself only punishes the rest of us. How about lead a policy real lynch on him or something that while maybe futile, won’t punish the rest of us. Thanks for bringing it back to reality though. | ||
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On March 04 2019 20:23 Holyflare wrote: I already have my major voteJust keep me as mayor and palmar dies, easy life mocsta. I need to contemplate the palmar mayor lynch a little bit more, as I can see his malicious posting to me being butthurt town. Then again, if he thinks so little of me, its unlikely that I made him butthurt. Then again, (again), I think I had the swing vote that see HF as mayor... So in short, I can see someone pumped for Mayor for the last game of TL, reciprocating in this fashion whether town or mafia. I need to reread your thing on him, and follow through with reading acro/trfel. /dribble + random bullshit over | ||
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On March 04 2019 20:27 Palmar wrote: fuck you palmar.Of course it is, I hate the way you've played so far this game, which is why I called it really really bad. It's you, not me, who's skirting the rules by threatening to get yourself modkilled. I'm not the asshole here, you are. I push people's buttons to make them react. I get annoyed because you greatly misconstrued my position on you as a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenario, when it's very obvious what the problem I have with your posting is. If you put words in my mouth, I have to call you mafia, unless I actually believe you believe what you're writing, in which case you're just not showing me the respect of actually reading what I'm saying, in which case I'm completely justified in calling you bad. It's super obvious I'm not against you posting. But for some reason you tried to paint it as such. After this exchange I actually don't think you did it because you're mafia. So what am I left with? im done | ||
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I stopped scum reading him from #1416 onwards. Fingers in multiple pies, and consistent thought process throughout 3-4 of his 5 pages. Too much uncertainty/effort for mafia. I only played one scum game with iamp and he literally trolled the whole time. I recall that was what he was known for. Thats enough for me to give him a pass Day1 whether the case was good or bad. | ||
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acro - you were iffy on trfel. you still prefer oats > trfel? | ||
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On March 04 2019 22:15 Jockmcplop wrote: What are you actually saying here?Well he's gone quiet recently which is a bit interesting but in that early exchange MZ came across much more scumlike to me. He was poking but in a weird way and conversion reacted defending himself. Are you going to take your vote off oats? | ||
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On March 04 2019 20:31 Palmar wrote: hmmm took me a few reads to understand this, and yes I get it now. If the read is strong, he would check it himself an ask for "have the position" as eloquently said. If the read is weak, he should sheep,which he does not allude to in the slightest. I don't like Conversion's filter. I especially hate this post: We all know he could've checked the answer in like 3 mouse clicks. He's not posting because he wants to know whether this happened. He's posting because he's very gently asking other people to allow him to have the position that he's considering having. It's a really, really scummy post. Even considering he is busy this is very lazy for town play. Good pick up and Im happy to vote ##Vote:;Conversion | ||
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On March 04 2019 22:23 Jockmcplop wrote: sorry i misread your response to palmar. I thought you were saying in the exchange with mz, that CONVERSION came across more scumlike.I'm just answering the question directly as to why i don't want to lynch conversion. | ||
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On March 05 2019 09:40 marvellosity wrote: regardless you are the only sensible vigi shot Hi Marv, been a while! Can you walk me through this? I still think HF is town, so i dont understand why hes a sensible vig shot? | ||
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Palmar also wanted wiggles dead. Im finding this play frmo you weird. I get you probably want to wrestle for thread control, but, you self admittedly havnt even verified if palmars claims on sentinel are true. I wasnt a fan of conversion, and unlike palmar, dont find replacing out to be a townish!tell. Its weird to me, you *appear* to be using town!palmar read as a motive to wrestle against HF. | ||
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On March 05 2019 09:44 marvellosity wrote: This is the final game of TL mafia. Egos are on display. I can totally see HF trying to make sick plays..okay I only read the last 10-15 pages before the lynch but palmar looked town hf is good don't think town-hf would kill palmar there, I really thought it was just a play for reactions Also, in last 10-15 pages, Im mainly interested in the people that came in to stoke the fire and fuck off. I think thats best candidates for mafia. Ppl like BC come to mind. Wiggles as well (which is another palmar read).. possibly Ace - that I cant remember. Im surprised you as a fresh face is putting that to the side, to wrestle with HF. FOR THE RECORD, I THINK HF is town because of how hes choosing to read me. He takes any disagreement on his point of view very "personally", and its just something I have come to expect from town!HF. I DONT KNOW WHY HE FORGETS THIS THOUGH - every fucking game. | ||
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Thats not helpful. Lets be serious. Statistically, there has to be at least one to two mafia hiding in the small vagons. darthfoley, tumblewood, koshi, oatsmater, chezinu, onegu and rels. | ||
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Interesting point on FF. Sentinel is already receiving limelight. On March 05 2019 05:40 Trfel wrote: Town Jockmcplop LightningStrike + Show Spoiler + Even before the anger Vivax rsoultin + Show Spoiler + Highly doubt she'd call me mafia if she were mafia Townish Onegu Holyflare + Show Spoiler + Can't ever read him anyway BlazingHand + Show Spoiler + Feel like mafia!BlazingHand would have just rng'd a filter and written up a case Tictock Tumblewood Acrofales Chezinu + Show Spoiler + I don't see the disconnect others are commenting on between his play this game and his town play. Maybe I'm just blind? But I don't see it Tubesock + Show Spoiler + On March 05 2019 03:26 Trfel wrote: Tubesock? That's actually not the way I read his filter at all. To me he feels actually invested in his reads. He's suspicious of me for one, and he's actually asking people about that and looking for support. Sure, he's asking a lot of questions, but at least in my opinion he actually does have a direction. Grackaroni + Show Spoiler + On March 05 2019 03:45 Acrofales wrote: If you only read the first page of Grack's filter it's pretty easy to come away thinking he's shit scum not trying to understand the game. But the second page is full of stuff like this. He's showing he's thinking along with the game and reading. He then stopped again, and intermittent behaviour when starting to come under suspicion into lurking under the radar is pretty scummy, but there are better targets. Conversion + Show Spoiler + I don't really understand the suspicion of him. I forget what Vivax said about him exactly but I don't think it was anywhere near as convincing as Vivax did. I see Conversion contributing original content and being willing to be in the center of everything, both of which usually come from town. Mocsta Meapak_Ziphh + Show Spoiler + Same as Conversion really. There are some suspicious things but overall he's willing to be the focus of attention and he is sharing original thoughts, which makes me think he's town. iamperfection Mr. Wiggles Null Palmar + Show Spoiler + Lack of time to understand why people are suspicious of him, unless someone wants to point me to a summary? But I doubt I want to lynch him today, his recent activity has seemed very good to me. Oatsmaster WaveofShadow sicklucker + Show Spoiler + His play still feels like mafia to me but I also think he'd be more invested as mafia in particular, I'd like to wait to see him get more involved before making a decision. raynpelikoneet ExO_ + Show Spoiler + Feels genuine Pandain darthfoley Koshi BloodyC0bbler Ace Alakaslam Rels Mafiaish FecalFeast + Show Spoiler + Perfect example of being present and being suspicious of people while not actually pushing anything. This post in particular. But throughout his play, being suspicious of general thread suspects without actually showing investment in that, all he cares about doing is asking to be mayor despite his only mayoral vote being himself. [UoN]Sentinel + Show Spoiler + On March 05 2019 04:48 Trfel wrote: Voting Palmar for mayor because of all of the mayors' targets I want to see [UoN]Sentinel lynched most. Him having a townread on himself while claiming to have not read his role PM is super suspicious, moreso the more I think about it. Other than his huge list post he hasn't shown much thought at all, he's been just following the thread sentiment. His overall play makes his effort seem fabricated. A few reasons being quoting my reasoning in one area while highly scumreading me in another, and more importantly not seeming at all invested in his reads. If he put all that effort into reading and making his scumreads, he wouldn't not actually push those reads and follow the thread sentiment like a headless chicken. It feels forced, and like he's trying to use the effort to prove he's town. | ||
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On March 05 2019 10:17 Acrofales wrote: Guys, can we stop with the skill comparison.Holy shit, if you're town you are actually terrible at this game. Like truly mindblowingly awful. I pray for the life of me you're scum, because if you're town I haven't seen someone this dumb since kushm4sta. I think we are all town here and need to work together. I assume its possible you two + koshi at minimum will be shot tonight and it would good not to dilute your filter away from the core content. | ||
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On March 05 2019 10:22 Holyflare wrote: I didnt read it that way? I read it that Acro was annoyed at you, but was advocating sentinel + wiggles.It's not a skill comparison. I have a lot of games won as mafia and am generally insanely good (a modicum of modesty there) at playing that alignment. A lot of things I've done around this lynch could easily be construed as me just being mafia but all of these Acro posts already know my alignment and are angry that I lynched Palmar. Why? He should just be thinking this is par for the course for mafia Holyflare like marv entered saying? Why is he not, Mocsta? I think you understimate how much you provoke people? | ||
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On March 02 2019 16:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: I was making a joke because i didn't want to say i think Trfel is town and wanted to see where that train went. Which was the only thing goin on in the game atm. On March 02 2019 17:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ooookkkkay why is Trfel mafia? On March 02 2019 17:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Surprise i do things that i do as town as mafia aswell? Fine, i got completely different read on him from the beginning and then he also did a trademark town Trfel thing later. On March 02 2019 20:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Town: [..] Trfel [...] Maybe town: [...] Maybe mafia: [...] On March 03 2019 20:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Side comment, but I wont if the trfel progression is related to his scum read on FF (i.e. Rayn + FF together)Well whatever. I am really gonna try to sleep now because after thursday morning i have slept no more than maybe 4 hours and i fell like i am dead. HF [..] Trfel doesn't look town anymore, FF still doesn't impress in anyway but i am terrible at reading him. [...] On March 05 2019 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: I agree koshi trfel is also mafia. Its odd bcause people were calling trfel mafia for the same posts that rayn detected a "trademark" town thing. I grant he voted blazinghand so not sure wehre to taek this. | ||
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get lost with the passive aggressive "hmmm" | ||
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On March 05 2019 04:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What's with the BH train? If you want to kill a hardcore lurker like that why not use the mayor lynch? I don't see the benefit On March 05 2019 06:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I'll consolidate onto trfel, feels better than Conv to me right now. [...] CONSPIRACY THEORY ALERT This was the most recent vote count at time of posts above. TF = 8, BH = 6, Conv = 4, acro = 4 if BH is scum, this is a great scum buddy post 1) Places non-committal scum read on BH 2) Is an afford to derail BH lynch (who is certainly not known as a hardcore lurker..) 3) No mayor candidate was advocating a BH mayor snipe -> i.e. is guranteed to fall upon deaf ears and receive no traction I also note that Wiggles filter indicates he scum reads Conversion, but instantly drops this for the thread popular Trfel when it comes to saving BH. Overall, extremely hedged posting and likely mafia (alongside with BH) On March 05 2019 01:44 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Managed to skim the thread before work. I like the Conversion case better than Acro and Oats right now for a D1 lynch. Missed the asking for permission angle the first time through, but even the recent stuff is weirdly fixated on MZ. Tunnel tunnel tunnel [...] https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?user=Mr. Wiggles&view=all | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [For ace eyes only] + On March 05 2019 08:49 Ace wrote: This post reeks. Why would you pop up near EOD to post this? You even segregated players and faked outrage. Heavy FoS here. | ||
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On March 05 2019 11:48 LightningStrike wrote: wave seems to be a guy inclined to do this naturally. i dont think that in itself warrants a town leanThis is the post I was refering to in my last post for why I townreading WoS. If I was in his shoes as scum I would tell that person to fuck off and more but instead he did showed he cared about me. | ||
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On March 05 2019 11:59 LightningStrike wrote: yeah i saw that after i posted lolThat was only part of why I am townreading him O_o I also seeing eye to eye on some of our agreed reads (although idk why he scumreading tina but I know he is) i havnt seen anything scummy from wave, but, the game hes playing i think is quite easy to do as scum. where im getting at is that I think once wave finds someone to play/tease the reads out of him, his colours will be quite clear. anyways, i gotta get work done. spent enough time on here today. | ||
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On March 05 2019 16:09 rsoultin wrote: Who is "Is" in 4th paragraph?if hf is mafia i'm not just dumb i'm like broccoli level iq -_- which may be the case but i don't want to live in that world idk if bh is scum or not. i'm afraid he's town but i don't think it matters cause i think we need to know his alignment as far as wave's comment, i wasn't waffling on palmar when i should have been cause i'm a baddy. i didn't like how he moved off of bh when i was thinking truffle was town cause i didn't want truffle to get lynched. i don't know how he interprets that as backing off my palmar read but tbh i don't think it matters cause wavering on palmar if i had done that wouldn't make me any less town anyway ls is town. i want to bite his head off but he's town -_- i think if we have a bh town flip people like onegu and rels need to get a really hard look, especially rels. and rayn might be town but i cba to look deeper right now and it'll just piss me off anyway I cant firgure it out contextually | ||
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I read my filter today and thought it was good lol If im alive tomorrow will respond Hf. Seriously. I applaud yoyr effort but it is was a waste of your time making this. | ||
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On March 05 2019 21:27 marvellosity wrote: That’s a decent case Why? Its taking worsw case explanation A lot of this is easy to explain as a townie with no knowledge. Hf does this every game we play when im town I simply am not wishy washy when scum. Again.ignore the big letyers. What did u actually like about it? | ||
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On March 05 2019 21:28 marvellosity wrote: ??? Why be like this ???No time my ass | ||
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On March 05 2019 21:33 marvellosity wrote: rogerWhat? Hf said he had no time yesterday and he just made a big ass case, that’s all. Hakuna your tatas Kk night | ||
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On March 05 2019 21:34 marvellosity wrote: does it matter?I will admit you didn’t sound scummy to me from the few posts I’d read. I did just check sentinel’s filter though and I’m struggling to see where you got anything about not liking acro from it It was either in sentinel sicklucker or palmar. Thise were the first three i read. I read sicklucker because j thought he was tubesock. I wanted to read tubesock cos last game i played with him he was a very well reasoned and rstiinal town viice that i thought woukd br an easy read. | ||
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On March 05 2019 21:36 Jockmcplop wrote: no. Its just someone who is heavily biased by his read on peopleWhat I like about hf's case here is that it shows that mocsta is fully getting behind one POV and then completely changing 180 more than once. That would suggest that it isn't the totality of someone's posting that is causing him to change his mind but other factors like voting scores, and looking 'aligned' to a certain group. Its a problem i know. Im trying ro be better. | ||
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On March 05 2019 21:42 Acrofales wrote: Personally I cant remember all I know is my first three filters were Sentinel -> Sicklucker -> Palmar.. Then I think it was oatsActually, he did bring up one interesting point. I hadn't even noticed I didn't appear (cntrl-f) in Sentinel's filter until his giant list post, which is after you "didn't like what I looked like". So how did you find me "through sentinel's filter"? Just run us through the events please, because the timeline doesn't make sense. Reading through Sicklucker and Palmar, what I wrote would pertain more to Sicklucker as hes talking about yoru early posts for policy lynch which I what I recall I was fixated on. Palmar however has a quote you said which mentions Sentinel, which could equally be plausible. Either way, who quoted the post is irrevelant, my comment pertained to the quote itself which was the policy lynch stuff. Sicklucker post for posterity: https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?page=23#454 + https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?page=23#457 Palmar post for posteriy: https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?page=54#1069 | ||
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On March 05 2019 21:54 Holyflare wrote: You are tunneled and embarrassing yourself Will.Let's fact check. Remember you specifically said the words: And the deadline is before March 03 2019 15:00 GMT Sicklucker SL taking to acro about Lynch all Liars, no mention of lurkers from Acro + Show Spoiler + On March 02 2019 16:29 sicklucker wrote: what the hell did I just read. Your all bad so ill be bad so stop being so bad. also lynch all liars is the dumbest shit (at least here) and worrying about mafia claims. where did this majestic beast come from. mafiaish but def way to ego for me to handle for an entire mafia game SL commenting on Acro talking about spam: + Show Spoiler + On March 02 2019 16:31 sicklucker wrote: then just vote the person you think is mafia before you go and stop being such a weiner That's it. Palmar Palmar saying he likes Acro and no mention of lurkers: + Show Spoiler + On March 03 2019 20:12 Palmar wrote: To be fair I mostly like Acro just for these two posts. They're the logical way to play the game. Kill the policy lynch, continue playing. On March 03 2019 20:16 Palmar wrote: Like sure, if he is mafia and knows Sent is town, he could be setting up a pushback on me, but he'd have to be extra dumb to believe I'm afraid of following through with a good policy lynch because of town lashback. I just think it's a weak play if he's mafia, and I like the fact he's not just focusing on the things in the thread right at that moment. I didn't actually read much of his cases. I got the feeling, possibly wrong, that he was reading and responding in the thread while still trying to filter out a few people. It looks like he's trying. Like even if Sentinel flips town, lynching him is a good move for town right now. I have absolutely no qualms about killing people for playing anti-town. Mocsta liked these posts remember?: + Show Spoiler + Palmar filter was good because it had some quotes from rayn and acro. I like that rayn picked up on acro.. palmars counter about weak play are fair and aceo is a solid player. But i give higher credit to weekend and massive game = preference to cop out even if mafia. I do like palmat back and forth with rayn and even though i know palmar excels at pushing for thread soapbox position it read as if he was trying to work with the thread instead of pretend to keep up a facade. Uh-oh, it looks like we reached the end of all of their allotted time and we saw no mention of Acro focusing on lurkers or anything that would make Mocsta type what he did. What could that meaaaaaaaaaaaaaan? Lynch all liars? Ok, no one mentioned the word lurker, and? Why can that not be my own interpretation or summation of policy lynch. You are doing your usual thing of nitpicking phrasing that is not congruent with how you view things. It doesnt make me scum. It makes you tunneled. You might not respect me as a player, but you should respect me enough not to spruik such blatantly and as you proved, easy to confirm as false, information. Seriously, waste of time. Im going back to my game of AC. I've done my courtesy, no more replies. | ||
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On March 06 2019 02:37 Vivax wrote: I absolutely agree on that.Anyway, here's my 100% scummers in case I die. Iamp, Oats, Marv, Sentinel. My 50 % scummers. Half of those are townies. rsoultin, Wiggles, Pandain, ExO, BH, TS Rayn not mafia cause can't be mafia with iamp in 9/10 cases. HF just decided to be a selfish dumbass and shit up the game and hurt my feelings, but alas, he's town by PoE. He literally doesn't give a shit about being townread when town. All he cares about is that people are wrong about him no matter his alignment so he can pat himself on the back. You/acro/koshi/jock/HF are pretty much my only town reads. I cant sheep HF since he wants me dead, but will throw my vote to whomever is left out of the other 4. im really tired today, cant be fucked reading through this game. No scum reads, and no clear things I want to sheep. I have a bad gut feeling about rsoultin, mainly from Day1, her ignoring me and then calling me dumb to palmar. She acknowledged me pre-game, so I find it hard to reconcile shes forgotten me. I dont like the idea of lynching HF because hes town. Im conflicted cos I know all game he will never drop me. I still dont get the big deal out of the palmar point... yeah, I agreed with Palmar read on conversion, but it doent mean that I had to be against HF lynching him. I spent like 15minutes running through the combinations about palmar post on conversion, before I came to the realisation of what he was inferring, and even then, marv has been relatively townie so the palmar read on conversion was probably wrong. I cant really remember who else is in this game. The page count is overwhelming to keep up with. I think there is too much focus on whose being annoying (e.g. me).. I still think the majority of those people invested will be town, and at this point, i dont give a shit if i cop flack for it. The game would turn into lurker lynches. Too many people given opportunity to hide and throw pot shots or stick with content irrelevant to thread. Most of them are the old-guard. I would be lynching into that pile + rsoultin. | ||
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On March 06 2019 02:47 WaveofShadow wrote: The other note I will make is this guy is my sleeper pick for scum.Acro and I on some serious wavelengths here. Usually mindmeld is town tell but I seem to remember getting burned by it once. Would still never lynch at this point. Maybe his town game is to butter up people. I dunno. but this type of gameplay just does not sit right with me. "Very lets be friend but im going to hedge"-ish. | ||
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not the content, jsut the vibe and emotional state match where i expected him to go. On March 06 2019 05:26 WaveofShadow wrote: I know you think your flippant attitude comes off as town but it doesn't. Where do you say this is scum wheelhouse? You talk about how you hate how much support he's gotten. Not about how Palmar not playing is scummy. If this is another reading comprehension thing, maybe you should just start posting better. | ||
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On March 06 2019 07:32 Holyflare wrote: hahah, yeah that could be on the money lolI'm convinced Kita made up that Palmar was a backup cop to spite me. will be a good chuckle post game | ||
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On March 06 2019 09:08 Holyflare wrote: Koshi + Marv make sense to me for almost anyone in the gamethose kills are rayn/vivax/rsoultin kills all day all fucking day iamp one is odd. someone def bluesniped him, i dunno. my first thought was damdred.... i thoguht he was meant to be a pro at that? | ||
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On March 06 2019 09:12 Holyflare wrote: hes a vet. 2 shots dipshit or 1 + intentional rbwhat? Iamp was obviously town, dude sucks at mafia you have successfully agitated me | ||
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On March 06 2019 09:21 Holyflare wrote: Of those 3, the most obvious RB candidate in my opinion was marv.What the fuck are you talking about? It's just basic practice to rb who you kill. They probably just got lucky that it was iamp that they rbd instead of marv. iamp put himself out there, which does coincide with vet confidence - so again, would suggest a snipe and again, my first thought was damdred you need to fuck off with your aggression to me. Im one of the few who thinks you are town, and is not going to lynch you today. | ||
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On March 06 2019 09:30 Holyflare wrote: it read as i suck at mafia for proposing this.I literally had no aggression towards you in my post. You said Iamp was odd and was blue sniped and I proposed an alternative, that it was not odd because he sucks at mafia and was obviously town and it's good practice to rb who you kill, especially with a medic dead. Why bother rbing anybody else? What I take it you meant is that he was a vet and still died, in which case it's just going to be random luck. Who cares what mafia thought? Maybe you should re-read this interaction again and take a look in the mirror. im glad we can move on. | ||
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On March 06 2019 10:17 Holyflare wrote: I endorse this even though it has my name on itBack to business please. Going on the theory that Conversion is now flipped as town and Vivax could be town, mafia did not really have to show any face at deadline whatsoever. BH did not vote to save himself and I don't think he'd be that much of a dick to his team to not even try a semblance at deadline to save himself one bit. It's possible, but unlikely. That gives us the possible information that both wagons are likely town, we just need to find who has shit on both of the lynches or looks ridiculously out of place, of which Exo looks especially bad. Not only did BH look like quintessential mafia BH, just appearing whenever called to tell us to lynch him and trolling, but in the end Exo voted for BH while shitting on the lynch because he liked Trfel a bit. Why did he not try and bring up any other kind of wagon? He had 15 minutes to talk. If anyone can say that with a straight face then they're mafia and don't know BH. Conversion (3): Mocsta, Alakaslam, darthfoley Acrofales (2): Damdred, Tictock iamperfection (2): BloodyC0bbler, Blazinghand Koshi (1): Ace Fecalfeast (1): Pandain Grackaroni (1): Meapak_Ziphh LightningStrike (1): Rels [UoN]Sentinel (1): Chezinu rsoultin (1): Onegu Mr. Wiggles (1): Palmar This is also a perfect place for mafia to hide and not get any suspicion with 2 town flips. We know palmar is town, bh could theoretically be town. That leaves: Mocsta, Slam, DF, Ace, AMG, MZ, Rels, Chezinu, Onegu as very likely containing at LEAST 1 mafia. Ace said his vote on Koshi was just a placeholder, for some reason he is incapable of even formulating one scum read this game. Why is that? His posts asking why I lynched Palmar instead of Sentinel are absolutely atrocious. No thoughts about the EOD wagon whatsoever. Mocsta, I already outlined a case on him, he was voting Conversion based off a post from Palmar while simultaneously wanting him lynched. He says he doesn't see the problem but I see it as a disconnect of thought from someone wanting to lynch the person that he agrees on their scum read case on. Slam, I think is very scummy. I asked for his reads and he was unable to really come up with concrete stuff. His scum read on me has either totally vanished or ???? He has a scum read on Chezinu because of some old meta where they were mafia together but he's a lot different to normal imo. Coaching and bystanding instead of really properly interacting with people or spamming. Slam also left his vote on Conversion but I can't seem to find why when he thought I was scummy before he left. He wasn't around for deadline though. TT, self reportedly afk. Justifies not wanting me as mayor even though his reasons seemed to be purely and absolutely personal rather than game based. Don't like his initial reads and now he's perpetually having RL afk excuses. Really fallen off and not much original thought anymore because of it. BC, absolutely no idea and not really read him. He ended up voting Iamp after coming out of the blue and I remember his case on iamp was that he wasn't doing anything or pushing anything when iamp had made a case on acro and was campaigning for BH's lynch. Read reeallyyy artificial to me. Scummy af. Pandain/AMG ?????????????????????????????????? Not a clue. Votes FF for what reason because ff is contentless and then afk's without providing his spreadsheet which may or may not be real in the slightest. Didn't like his posts before either. MZ has kept his spreadsheet apparently up to date. I'm tired and can't be bothered to finish this train of thought. Please remind me to check up on him later because he's been massively skating on by. Rels/Chez/Onegu could potentially be full of scum but same as mz, that's for tomorrow.. Ex0 is a great candidate for sure. I also am a fan of Ace, hes definitely skirting by within the boundaries town lets him. Im really expecting something from AMG this cycle too. In particular as a replacement. I know its host WIFOM, but I love the notion that Kitaman may have gamed the teams for old-guard vs new-guard. Probably the only one I disagree with is TT. I think hes in a weird headspace and in his mind is doing his contribution to town. its a weird type of effort to be making as mafia, and I think theres much more cost-effective methods he could be using to progress his win-con. | ||
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On March 06 2019 11:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: what do you think about ace though in that chained quote?HAHAHA HOLY SHIT. Grack are you actually town? I dont beleive he ever did ANYTHING with that. | ||
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On March 06 2019 13:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: They become cop when a cop dies. The sweet irony if palmar was mayor and lynched conversion | ||
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I filtered Ace because I was both suspicious and appreciative of the small post count. Below are my thoughts as I read through: https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?user=Ace&view=all This took longer than I thought, so there nicely summarised conclusion. Just a stream of consciousness. This feels good to me, in particular the 180 shift in mindset to HF at the EoD1. + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler [#357/8] + On March 02 2019 11:58 Ace wrote: Is there any power the Mayor has besides having a Day 1 lunch? On March 02 2019 12:01 Ace wrote: Lynch* Focused on mayor. Will he run? + Show Spoiler [#622/654] + On March 03 2019 02:10 Ace wrote: I think we should nominate someone who has barely posted yet as Mayor. There are a lot of thoughts already posted that could help us draw conclusions based on conversations. Giving a semi-lurking/lurking player lynch power and forcing them into the game seems like a good move to me. So a player like Tumblewood or tubesock should be nominated (they've barely posted from a cursory filter check). On March 03 2019 02:13 iamperfection wrote: sounds like a retarded plan to me. On March 03 2019 03:26 Ace wrote: Why + Show Spoiler [#662] + On March 03 2019 03:35 Ace wrote: Only some of us started this game knowing who is town so that premise is moot. I think you should give those players a chance to reveal their motives. You've been asking people about reads already - this idea jives right along with where you supposedly want to go. If the player is bad, then say so and we'll pick a better person with the potential to positively contribute. Emphasising mayor idea as pro-town choice. + Show Spoiler [#1197] + On March 04 2019 02:18 Ace wrote: Holyflare is absolutely hilarious. He/she gets my vote. Abandons mayor idea to mayor HF due to humour? No quote reference. I presume it is this on the same page: On March 04 2019 01:10 Holyflare wrote: Its interesting, because on one hand, you can argue its a "pro-town" move as his mayor idea received no traction, nor did it stimulate discussion. On the other hand, the idea is severed as if there was no connection to it in the first place; which is dissonant with the previous posts advocating it is pro-town.Because I'd rather get rid of cheats and if that means siding with mafia then so be it. People play differently, but I would have expected some sort of acknowledgement that it failed. + Show Spoiler [#1198/1199] + On March 04 2019 02:21 Ace wrote: BTW, if Sentinel doesn't read his role PM leave him for the Mayor Lynch and unvote him in the voting thread. Nezt best suspects should be considered instead. I actually think there is merit to HF stating people voting for Palmar over him when they have similar ideas on who to lunch (Sentinel). On March 04 2019 02:23 Ace wrote: Uhhh *lynch. Basically if they have similar ideas on who should be lynched and HF came up with the idea first(not sure, have to re-read) then why is Palmar gaining more support than he/she is. Could be nothing but I think this is one of the few real "divisive" issues that can show scum motives that we've had so far. Changes gears with the following: (1) Joins what I deem to be thread sentiment by confirming support to mayor policy lynch on Sentintel. (2) Sheeps HF argument that whoever wanted to mayor lynch Sentinel first should be mayor (3) Suggests there could be scum motivation between choosing HF or Palmar As a post in isolation, this reads OK/pro-town in that its sheeping thread sentiment with a hint towards scum hunting motivation. However, what actual scum motive or merit is there to choosing HF>Palmar if both want to lynch Sentintel and HF said it first? Mayor candidate is equally a popularity contest, and this is even moreso if both want to lynch Sentintel. The more I think about this post, the more I think this is a weird mindset for a townie. Ace votes HF due to humour, but agrees that whoever suggested Sentinel first, should be mayor. Given, this could actually be Palmar (as he admits), it indicates a total lack of care for both who is elected mayor, and the content within this post. I acknowledge 24hrs has passed since he proposed his mayor idea; however, there seems to be a full detactment from that idea. There is only focus on the mayor candidate, and who is voting them. Critically, no information is given on who Ace will swing his lynch vote towards. This one in particular is peculiar, and again, indicating a token level of care for the cycle. + Show Spoiler [#1204] + On March 04 2019 02:42 Ace wrote: Wiggles re-read what you wrote here and think about what a non-Sentinel lynch could reveal. I think we're on somewhat similar terms of thinking here. @Acrofales: *nod*. Wiggles is good here and points out one of the issues with Ace supporting the Mayor the first onto Sentinel idea. I think this is very WIFOM-y to suggest. I think everyone knows that HF is capable of swapping his mayor vote at EoD and justifying it. So it doesn't reveal anywhere near is hinted. + Show Spoiler [#1210] + On March 04 2019 03:09 Ace wrote: I really, really hope you and Wiggles are putting things together without it having to be explicitly stated 😁 So btw who is the case for second best vote? More hinting at ?nothing? The question on the second highest vote is OK, as to me its unclear if HF means he will lynch the second biggest thread consensus wagon. The thing is, why ask HF for this clarification? Is he preferring Sentinel to be lynch regardless of role PM confirmation? Is he concerned that HF may turn loose cannon and not follow through with the second highest vote? Is he seeking to know whoelse is on HF scum list? A The thing is, I would be asking this to HF if i was concerned about him, because its indicating HF has lack of care in direction of the mayor lynch and would be following thread sentiment. My expectation is for Ace to follow this through. Again, who is Ace interested in placing his vote on? This all seems to be superficial/1-dimensional care for the game. + Show Spoiler [#1378] + On March 04 2019 06:01 Ace wrote: Town consensus is influenced by scum posts. Mayor shouldn't follow it to the tee. Mayor should be someone with their own ideas about who is likely scum while considering "the town's" opinions. We want a leader not a sheep 😁 + Show Spoiler [#1383] + On March 04 2019 06:03 Ace wrote: I think you should ask on what premise would I want to skip scum mates into the post for Mayoral candidates and then avoid seriously pushing them. WIFOM argument. Tone is indicative that the idea was "pro-town" yet all posts since dropping it are detached. People play differently, when it comes to admitting an idea is sunk, so I will treat this as neutral. + Show Spoiler [#1387] + On March 04 2019 06:06 Ace wrote: No. I wanted an issue to force strong opinions to hold players to. I just picked two players at random who didn't post a lot at the time. Later on the HF/Palmar runs served that idea even better. Both seem headstrong, have the same "plan", and from what I can read command some sheep in this game. As a starting point I think that's pretty good. This reads good at face value. I wouldnt classify his campaign for this mayor idea as creating an issue in the thread that required resolving. I actually dont get his comment about the HF/Palmar. Where is the contemplation that this could be town vs town? I interpret this as one side is good, and the other is evil. -> i.e. It seems Ace is happy to pick one side of HF/Palmar and sit there. Again, where is Ace preference for lynch? + Show Spoiler [#1393] + On March 04 2019 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: My response is more or less going to be impacted by your response to my question. On March 04 2019 05:40 iamperfection wrote: i probably wont give my full reads until tomorrow. i think your probably town though cause i think your confused by my play and are trying to figure out my alignment On March 04 2019 06:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote: see shit like this makes me still see you as mafia whereas your analysis post was one that was making me second guess my read -_- On March 04 2019 06:12 Ace wrote: Awww shit it's ScumC0bbler 😁 + Show Spoiler [#2184] + On March 05 2019 05:01 Ace wrote: @holyflare: just voted you for Mayor. I haven't fully caught up but I've been skim reading. Assuming you win the election your plan is what again? Just restate for clarity so I'm not confused or in case I missed any new developments. This is acceptable because of possibility that Sentinel issue was resolved. However, I am not a fan, as it again is shedding no information on who Ace finds scummy. I get Ace doesn't need to share, but other than an ambiguous post to BC, it appears hes only interested in locking down a mayor candidate because of a policy lynch? + Show Spoiler [#2205/2297/2340/2361] + On March 05 2019 05:08 Ace wrote: Dang homie. I remember you being fun to play with. Don't give up so early ^_^ On March 05 2019 05:44 Ace wrote: Blazinghand don't get yourself lynched for bs. If you're town you just waste a day as there's no real discussion being generated regarding you, and it's an easy wagon for Scum to hop on. On March 05 2019 05:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Ace why are you trying so hard for someone you don’t know the alignment of? On March 05 2019 06:13 Ace wrote: Define trying On March 05 2019 06:16 Oatsmaster wrote: Posting exclusively about how we shouldn’t lynch BH in your last like 5 posts On March 05 2019 06:23 Ace wrote: Might want to read that carefully champ. I didn't address you or anyone else. Just Blazinghand. In my opinion a null series of posts. I think this is more a personality thing, that some people gravitate towards outside of being mafia/town. + Show Spoiler [#2366] + On March 05 2019 06:27 Ace wrote: If you think BH is going to flip Town, then why not lynch Palmar? This is really odd. I haven't checked, but I presume HF declared he is voting Palmar at this point. So ace who was advocating two headstrong people in Palmar/HF is good for town, seems pretty non-chalant about Palmar. It also gives some viability to Oats calling out Ace for calling about BH before. Does Ace think BH is town? Again, who is Ace scum read? Is it BC? There seems to be no care in the outcome of the game. + Show Spoiler [#2399] + On March 05 2019 06:51 Ace wrote: Random vote. Got a prod that I didn't have a vote on anyone. I'll change if Im around before EOD. Is this a scumslip? WHO PRODDED ACE THAT HE DIDNT HAVE A VOTE?!?!?!? Again, why is there a total lack of care in the game to place a random vote on Koshi.. What about BC? If ace flips red, Oats is confirmed green for picking this up and calling ace out on it. + Show Spoiler [#2451] + On March 05 2019 07:51 Ace wrote: @Trfel you're close to being lynched by deadline. Claim. Interesting post. Its a typical post from either alignment, but I find it interesting how clear, direct and engaged Ace seems about this. You could argue town!ace was trying to avoid a mislynch, but i could WIFOM counter that it was to discern if worthy of a bluesnipe; or that mafia!ace was bored and had a surge of excitement. + Show Spoiler [#2597] + On March 05 2019 08:49 Ace wrote: This post reeks. Why would you pop up near EOD to post this? You even segregated players and faked outrage. Heavy FoS here. I dont like this post. Hes called BC scum twice, and kept a random vote on Koshi. No follow through to BC. Everything with Ace seems superficial / lack of care; otherthan when he demanded Trfel claim + Show Spoiler [#2668] + On March 05 2019 08:58 Ace wrote: @BC: where did I say I want Palmar killed??? @trfel: I think you should seriously claim if lynch noise bout to drop. Ace cant remember he asked Rsoultin about lynching palmar? The trfel claim thing is odd to me, given, ace hasnt taken a position on trfel, nor is it clear who Ace sees as a viable alternative. Note, ace vote is still on Koshi, not BC who is his ONLY read. You can argue taht its near EoD and panic modes, but the whole game, the only item ace has shown some direct interest in, is with trfel claiming. I dont find that townie. + Show Spoiler [#2821] + On March 05 2019 10:21 Ace wrote: Well that was terrible. @Trfel: Really wish you claimed :'(. GG tho dude/dudette. There are no mafia doctors so vigis can shoot Holyflare at will. If he somehow does not die tonight he is an auto-lynch tomorrow. Earlier in the thread when I was talking to HF and Wiggles, I was alluding to the fact that Hf or Palmar have to stick to their plan on the lynch (Sentinel). It would take a very convincing reason to lynch someone else. For all his talk, Palmar never came across as a strong scum read. HF lynching him instead of Sentinel or even BH means he has to die. He did not stick to his guns and did not have good reason to lynch Palmar. side note:Would have been funny (and rage inducing) if Trfel flipped Cop and Palmar flipped back up Cop. Anyway, we kill HF asap. No fucking around. Interesting how Ace gears up instantly against HF. Ace is fleeting from moment to moment, no actual investment in the game. 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Heres an interesting tease about Ace voting Koshi. I would love to hear this one explained.... On March 05 2019 06:38 Oatsmaster wrote: Hey ace why koshi? On March 05 2019 06:51 Ace wrote: Random vote. Got a prod that I didn't have a vote on anyone. I'll change if Im around before EOD. Is this a scumslip? WHO PRODDED ACE THAT HE DIDNT HAVE A VOTE?!?!?!? | ||
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fuck. didnt think that through. well regardless, I dont think his filter supports mason claim. | ||
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On March 06 2019 16:29 rsoultin wrote: talk about double entendre.Lol on phone and have a purring puss in my lap. Let me get breakfast and to my comp first. Jeebus | ||
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Some point this cycle. Preferably after ace responds. I want ur take on my ace case | ||
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On March 06 2019 17:29 Holyflare wrote: I don't agree with it. Why would someone fabled for being so good at mafia make such blatantly false accusations? If he doesn't come up with some read based on those posts then yeah, probably mafia. What is blatantly false from his filter that i wrote about? My case is beyond the vote prod i hope you realise. Further. His read at start of night was u. And presumably bc. Are u stating anything else is probably town? Im confused | ||
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On March 06 2019 17:43 Jockmcplop wrote: I think its a little bit hit or miss but pretty much confirms what I was originally thinking. Ace seems like a lurker and I already had him as scum. I don't know where he was going with the whole mayor thing. Fishing maybe? He never explained why he wants to kill hf from what I saw. Just 'we need to kill hf'. Dude Ace states he is supportive of hf and palmar Then says to rsoultin.. why not lynch hf.. Ace never comments on hf changing to palmar but knows all about trfel so we can surmise hes actively reading the game Then when palmar is town.. ace rubs his hands and pipes up for an hf lynch He was behind hf and palmar and didnt care to lynch either. Then instead of voting his only scumpsect in bloodycobbler.. he throws a random vote on town This is as mafia as yoy can get. Its a 2page filter.. no excuses for anyone not to read this ... | ||
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On March 06 2019 17:48 Acrofales wrote: as a lurker. He is awarw of thread stateAce is a useless lurker doing nothing. You're reading a lot more into things than that, but it's what his play boils down to. But yeah, of the useless lurkers, he and BC are the scummiest. Your case was one of the highlights of a really boring couple of pages tho. Wiggles bussing his buddy BC. MZ feigning he's playing the game again. Chezinu sorta half-claiming cop, but not really: yawn. And why pipe up about trfel Why advocate strongly for hf lynch? | ||
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On March 06 2019 17:48 Holyflare wrote: i dont thinj thats a fair heuristic to applyHis read that I'm scummy for lynching palmar over sentinel even though I talked about lynching palmar for the past 24 hours. Seems like it's some really stupid mistake for a good mafia player to make. Ace is busy Ace barely plays anymore Ace is old guard and u r more than aware gamestate changed in 5 yrs plus Is that your only grievance with what i put together? Can u really see clear town motivation within his 2page filtet? | ||
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On March 06 2019 17:51 Jockmcplop wrote: all good. Those points were actually for the spectators.Read my post again. I agree he's mafia but your case is reading stuff into some things that don't really look like they are there and that makes your case weaker. Just because your case is weaker than it needs to be doesn't mean he isn't mafia. I want to see votes on ace I havent seen a better candidate for this cycle | ||
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On March 06 2019 18:00 Jockmcplop wrote: my manI'm voting ace and probably won't change it unless he comes here and actually does something useful. So far he's been as much use as tits on a fish. Good choice! | ||
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Ita got nothing to do with that i initiated.... Cos its funny u can apply heuristics to him and then expect diff from me Cos ur case on me was about "stupid" inconsistencies Again. Its yes or no Do u really see town motivation in his 2page filter? | ||
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On March 06 2019 18:09 rsoultin wrote: HF has kind of a blind spot for 'good' players doing 'stupid' things he can't imagine they'd do as scum. See Damerion in the game you were scum with him. Oh, mocsta, I asked this earlier but it probably got swallowed somewhere in all the posts. Did I ever do a deep dive on you? I thought I did but I can't find it :/ I dont recall I think u called me scum n1 though | ||
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On March 06 2019 18:14 rsoultin wrote: i dont think u didNo I mean from an earlier game. There are a few people I dove through several games for and I thought you were one of them. I'm not sure if that's not just Damerion but if you remember I'd really like to find it cause I doubt I'll have the time for anything like that in this monstrosity. I forget what HF said about you that was good N1 but it was good lol >< god I'm getting worse. But u did eat out of my palm I had the mocsta monlogues in qt Pretty much 13months ago My first game in like 5 yrs so not much to deep dive As for hf case on me The inly point of merit was that i agreed with palmar conversion read and was ok for hf to lynch him I still dont see the issue And i didnt go about it like ace did even thoigh superficially it seems similar Ace advocated in his limited posts how important it was to have both candidates etc. And then is ok to lynch both So major difference One cares.. one doesnt It should be apparant to all | ||
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On March 06 2019 18:17 Holyflare wrote: understoodMy case on you was about something you said that didn't appear in any of the filters i read and also the total disconnect between you voting conversion with palmar (for a really bad case) after just raging at palmar and then having no qualms being on my mayor wagon when I said I'd lynch palmar My read on ace is that he's up to something and the negative points on him are either him not reading the thread or him playing some kind of reaction test. The point i do follow is his koshi vote which was bad. I want to see what he has to say. Im curious why u state he may not be reading the thread. His position on trfel jndicates hr was reading very closely? As for me.. why cant i just have not read carefully. I was equally busy and entered the gamr at a much higher page count Dont tell me its forum vet special pass... | ||
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On March 06 2019 18:25 Holyflare wrote: your position is clearYou said you didn't read the thread and only filter dived and then magically came out with a read on acro that didn't exist in any of the places you said it appeared. That's completely different. Ace is reading the thread but doesn't know I said I'd lynch palmar over sentinel? Does that make sense to you? In my mind what has happened is. I saw a post from acro i didnt like and went to his filter to see the surrounding posts So didnt acknowledge it because it wasnt a full dive But u need to be consistent If u hold ace to a standard he wouldnt be caught in such a blatant lie I should br held to the same accord As for palmar. He did piss me off and i was offended u thought i faked it. I wanted to shit on him about conversion I spent a lot of time writing counter points and each scenario i went throigh i coudlnt see myself making those choices. Guess i never played mafia when i lost my job... so yeah i voted that way thinking i could reassess in the morning. Woke up to 40pages.. seriously.. 80 to 120 with 1hr to lynch Yeah.. catching up wasnt going to happen | ||
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On March 06 2019 18:39 Jockmcplop wrote: +1I think he's town and just doing some little anti-town things. Seems like the kind of guy who has to be the centre of attention and that would fit. Im genuinely curious if he is this self absorbed in real life or if its an internet thing I just cant pixture ppl being like this in a professional environemnt Feom memory hf is a lawyer? Not sure if solixitor or barrister | ||
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On March 06 2019 18:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote: whats ur read on ace.... That is why he thought it was a mod confirm? Seriously? He calls u scumclobber | ||
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On March 06 2019 18:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote: what is todayTBH I think he looks like shit. But I tend to have a hard time reading Ace and usually want to off him because his scum play fucked me hard ages ago. As I am pre disposed to always killing him I am giving him into today to give me more to work with. 12hrs or cycle? | ||
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On March 06 2019 19:38 Tubesock wrote: No. I haven’t read your filter and don’t remember where you stand, but want to chat while everyone else is arguing about HF? Dont worry about my filter This is my solenmost important post Ur comments are welcome https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=27285311 | ||
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On March 06 2019 20:20 rsoultin wrote: is onegu enoigh to stop u laying a vote on ace?To elaborate, I expect more from him even when he's barely playing as town. He's kinda the guy who comes in with his own thing and it's interesting. At least he was. | ||
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On March 06 2019 20:54 Holyflare wrote: lol. Thats how i felt about ur case on me...You really must think I'm not very good at playing as mafia if you think I'm mafia and did this. Ohh the sweet sweet irony | ||
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I will read the acro case in detail tomorrow morning Thanks for acknowledging ace case | ||
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Better player doesnt mean right. Doubt u would use their authority jf they advocated u for lynch either. I dunno the way u r going about this is weird in my opinion U have had a huge tone shift and i dunno what it means Can u disengage from hf for a tick and feedback on ace pls | ||
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On March 06 2019 22:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is there someone else that thinks this Vivax sheeping dead confirmed townies stinks? Yeah But he was a eon town read for me. So im perplexed right now Going to bed anyways | ||
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I havent read acro case yet But one small pattern i noticed is that he uses phrases recently put into thread by others The most recent being blatantly false from hf which i think he used in response to u? Im not sure he is even aware of this He also used something i wrote before To me that says hes paying GREAT attentiin to whats being written Not just a skim Its a big town sign to me.. food for thought | ||
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On March 06 2019 22:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Then why didn't we hear any of this stronger Eod? Why didn't you try to convince either of the mayors to lynch another suspect (you thought Sentinel is town)? Why didn't you try to convince Palmar on your Mocsta case and execute him (Palmar was scumreading Mocsta)? Thats a fair point by rayn  | ||
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On March 06 2019 22:38 Vivax wrote: refer to https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=27285456Why did you vote for Palmar to be mayor lynched again? You're literally sheeping him on his Conversion case while voting for him to be killed by HF. Ur turn on ace now pls | ||
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On March 06 2019 22:47 Acrofales wrote: hmmmm this is trueIn what world was I not trying? https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?user=Acrofales&page=7 Also, my Mocsta case? Huh? I haven't cased Mocsta. I definitely didn't case him D1. Last thoughts on D1 about him: My thoughts of Mocsta haven't actually changed much. He has some weird inconsistencies that make me keep doubting his towniness, but there's like at least 10 people in this game scummier than him. I filter dived u referencing me and u r consistent. I will give u that. Thats town points because yes. U could have easily swayed palmar onto me. Easy to justify mislynch Im disappointed u still think im scummy but whatevz. 10ppl above is not in the scum team so i can live with that Kk. Now lm:lurk; is over. Good night | ||
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On March 06 2019 22:49 Vivax wrote: If anyone who was on the palmar for mayor wagon comments on the post you're linking to and tells me he understands what you're trying to say in that weird way and/or tells me that it actually answers the question why you killed the guy you were sheeping, I will comment on ace. You shouldn't expect much from me commenting on ace anyway cause in my mind he's just a mislynch being pushed by my scumreads. If im a real rwad. Why arent u challenging me on what is weird. Or ehat u dont understand.. i cant read yoyr mind either you know. Town laser focus vivax is quite different to whatever u r trying to portray This post of yours is heavily edited/refined. Its very interrsting yoy want tl avoid commenting on ace so badly. I didnt even ask u to read my postit was. Pls comment on 2page filter. Literally 1%of the game. The easiest request anyone could have of you and u wont oblige. Further. As this scum read of urs. I expect yoy to be interested in confirming / validating your read. You shoukd have a vested interest in assessing why im even asking your opinion of ace | ||
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Lol Vivax So conversely. 3 confirmed town wanting someone dead doesnt make that person mafia | ||
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On March 06 2019 02:37 Vivax wrote: Anyway, here's my 100% scummers in case I die. Iamp, Oats, Marv, Sentinel. My 50 % scummers. Half of those are townies. rsoultin, Wiggles, Pandain, ExO, BH, TS Rayn not mafia cause can't be mafia with iamp in 9/10 cases. HF just decided to be a selfish dumbass and shit up the game and hurt my feelings, but alas, he's town by PoE. He literally doesn't give a shit about being townread when town. All he cares about is that people are wrong about him no matter his alignment so he can pat himself on the back. Hi vivax Why swap on hf from this? Why arent i on this? Why arent u following up on oats and sentinel? | ||
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On March 07 2019 04:28 Acrofales wrote: + Show Spoiler [rage at technology] + Oh FOR FUCK'S SAKE. I had this all written out and then I closed the tab. Had to write it all again. I even fished through the memorydump from Chrome and recovered some pieces, but it was piecemeal and scattered  See spoiler for tech foibles. This took me longer than I thought, and I thought it would take a while. Anyway, here are the two main reasons there is no doubt that Holyflare is scum: Exhibit A: the "locked in" waffle First, lets establish the timeline. Your honor, we need to establish that holyflare was on the scene! 00:57: 00:58: 00:59: 01:00: 01:10: So we've established beyond reasonable doubt that Holyflare was on the scene and, if he had wanted to, could have sent a PM to kita asking to kill BH instead of Palmar. Now, your honor, I submit that Holyflare never wanted to change. This does not make him scum (well, it does, but he can wifom his way out of this). What makes him scum is him prevaricating about changing. Post-flip he gets pressured a bit and says: But he was right there the whole time. He knew BH was not getting lynched. He even got PM'd by the hosts about it: + Show Spoiler [more hedging] + On March 06 2019 05:56 Holyflare wrote: This is true and I will prove it, just after the game. On March 06 2019 18:34 Holyflare wrote: I will quite literally quote my mod PM post game to prove it. Please stop posting this trash. I stand by my statement that it was locked in before I could say anything. On March 06 2019 08:39 Holyflare wrote: Can we just fucking drop this and I will prove it to you after the game? So we have Holyflare claiming he would absolutely 100% have changed his vote, but he couldn't. We have no evidence pointing to say that he couldn't. And we have Holyflare claiming that he didn't want to change his vote anyway. We also have him claiming he was too tired, despite not going to bed until at least 2 hours later: So Holyflare is just throwing reasons around for why he ended up killing Palmar, and definitely can't keep is story straight. What is it? Was it locked in? Or did he not even try? Don't bother answering, as the answer doesn't really matter. The point of this exchange is that holyflare was waffling. And when he got caught wafffling, he started to mix up the story. This is because the entire story was made up in the first place. Holyflare never had the slightest intent of switching to him, as exhibited by the timeline above. Holyflare was here and active, and was even trolling us about killing or not killing Palmar. Which brings us to exhibit B. Exhibit B: the post-flip victory dance Your honor, I call my first witness Dr. P. S. Ychologist. Now bear with me, this will be a bit long. But at the end it will be demonstrated beyond a doubt that the motive for killing Palmar can only come from mafia. Dr. Ychologist, what do you think of Holyflare's personality? "Well, I don't know the young man very well, but everything I have seen about him is that he suffers from the narcissistic egomaniac syndrome" Ah. And what does this mean? "It means that he cannot fathom that the world does not revolve around him. He cannot be wrong, nor can it be that someone else is perhaps held in higher esteem at any point. I would like to add that this is being generous. If the young man is perchance not an egomaniac then there is absolutely no way we could possibly explain his behaviour as upright. Egomania is a serious disorder, but not necessarily mafia." Okay, so you believe holyflare's mindset is that of a mafioso, despite his disorder, and not because of it. "That is correct." Right. But why? "Well, let us imagine we are the young accused. It is almost flip time and the mayor vote cannot possibly elude him. He is feeling empowered, ya? He is the king of town, and he has found a scum Palmar." Wait. As an egomaniac does he care that Palmar is scum? Or does he only care that Palmar was a competitor? "We have questioned the accused, and present the transcripts. There is no doubt about his claims: he says he believed the victim to be a mafioso" "When further pressed upon this matter he let there be no doubt he absolutely believed Palmar to be a mafioso at the time" So there is no doubt this was not just done for the lolz? "No. Even though the lolz might have figured into the kill. He claims he was doing it in order to rid Liquidia of scum" This seems like a very noble deed. But it is not true, is it? "Unfortunately not. To see why, we need to analyse the young man's behaviour when the deed was done. The accused was cocky. He was even --- what do the kids these days call it? --- trolling. Let us be charitable and attribute this to the young man being extremely certain he was murdering a mafioso." Now let us skip forward to after young Palmar tragically bled out in the streets of Liquidia and his blood ran blue. The accused responded with: There is no surprise. No remorse. No self-doubt. Now this could have been explained from a deceipted townsman if he had claimed he was doing it, as they say 'for the lulz'. It would even fit his egomaniac personality to do it only for this reason. But that is not what the accused has claimed. So let us put ourselves in his shoes for a second: he has been voted 'the blade of Liquidia' and in front of him stands the evil Palmar, lord of scumsters united. He thrusts his blade straight into Palmar's heart and a spurt of blue blood streams out as Palmar yells, with his dying breath + Show Spoiler [I'm a cop you idiot] + The instinctive reaction of an upright townie who truly believed that Palmar was scum, regardless of narcissism, would be shock, disbelief, remorse. Yet none of that is evident in the accused's reaction. He seems... self-satisfied" Self-satisfied? "Yes. He doesn't blame himself. He immediately shifts the blame to "those who voted for him". Moreover, he is happy about it, as evidenced by his smiling laugh. This is not the look of a man devastated by his bad choice. This is the look of a man who has pulled off the caper of a century, yet has to somehow dissimulate it all as a big mistake." Aha. So there is no way this could just be egomaniacal pride about having shiv'd Palmar for the lulz? "It is my informed opinion that that is not possible. He is fully aware that he looks guilty as all hell, yet is somehow still flippant about it: Combine this with his insistance that he was scumreading Palmar all game, and it just doesn't add up." Thank you very much for your help, Dr. Ychologist. The prosecution rests their case. We deem it shown beyond a shadow of a doubt that holyflare murdered Palmar with mafioso intentions, and we request the maximum penalty: death by lynching. damn, thats an impressively laid out case acro. Seriously. the prose is worthy of an award or something. Nice insertion into last game for realz There is a huge logic flaw in this, which ruins the whole case however. You *assume* that the narcissitic young fellow, should feel remorse once palmar heart is stabbed and run blue. By definition, the narcisstic person would not see error in their own way. If anything, the expectation would be for the young fellow to blame Palmar for being so incapable of showing their true colours - It is always the fault of the other. Ironically for you, your quotes about self-satisifcation confirm this. You actually just town-confirmed HF with this case. (because he prioritised his own needs to self-gloat over the mafia team win-con) | ||
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On March 07 2019 05:02 Holyflare wrote: fuck you.I find it fucking farcical the moment I try and expand on another topic that isn't me someone tries to drag it right back to talking about me. squirm and dance for us you prick. You do this to everyone else, every fucking game and cant take it when its at you. | ||
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On March 07 2019 05:12 Holyflare wrote: Im stupid. Spell it out to me if im 5 years old.You may not like me in this game, you may think I'm mafia, you may think I'm town. None of those things do I care about. This is the information you have that is the most important thing in this game: You had a vote on a guy that literally trolls for a mafia career telling us to lynch him and the vote was so close somehow that our doctor got lynched instead of him. That leaves some serious question marks hovering around, we have absolutely imperfect information that can easily be solved by either BH playing a game of mafia or lynching him and figuring it out. If you can think of any reason not to lynch this guy to further your information gain today please let me know. I'm mainly looking at: Tubesock, sicklucker, [UoN]Sentinel, Koshi, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood, Fecalfeast, Jockmcplop, Acrofales, Vivax, Conversion, Mocsta, Alakaslam, darthfoley, Damdred, Tictock, BloodyC0bbler, Ace, Meapak_Ziphh, Pandain, Rels, Chezinu, Onegu These people didn't vote for BH (didn't even realise Koshi didn't, what a travesty). I think it's best to look into them first because BH would have been such an easy no qualms mislynch if he was town I don't think there should be any hesitation to lynch him from them. Which is suspicious as to why they did not and instead afkd on really pointless wagons or Trfel. If BH flips red what alignments are revealed out of that pool? If BH flips town what alignments are revealed out of that pool? | ||
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On March 07 2019 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote: Pandain is a good lynch option for today.Onegu Fecalfeast Holyflare LightningStrike Blazinghand Tictock Oatsmaster WaveofShadow Tumblewood sicklucker Acrofales raynpelikoneet Damdred Chezinu Jockmcplop ExO_ Vivax [UoN]Sentinel Grackaroni rsoultin tubesock Pandain replaced by AMG darthfoley Mocsta Meapak_Ziphh Mr. Wiggles BloodyC0bbler Ace Alakaslam Rels This is more for posterity/for me to keep track of than anything else. No townreads on here because I haven't updated my thoughts in a while and don't want to give free passes. I think of the rest of the red we're looking at MAYBE one vet but the rest is low post count type people. Ace has a good chance of flipping red. When I get home later I'll be looking into all the mediocrity - Mocsta/MZ/BC primarily, and anyone else people have requests for. AMG has been a disappointment so far -> Especially as a replacement and factoring in playstyle difference to Marv. Btw dipshit. you realise Im the one who started the ace wagon that you agree will flip red. fuck off with the mediocre. | ||
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On March 07 2019 06:10 Grackaroni wrote: This is true.+ Show Spoiler + He scumread iamperfection for too long, he should know wayyyyy better regardless of the fact iamp made a case (that everyone should read) on him. As far as I can tell this is inaccurate. He makes a long post about Iamp but his conclusion wasn't actually that Iamp was scum. I think Vivax was the one who was super red on Iamp. Acro made the good/bad/ugly post on iamp, with the conclusion being, null/slight town lead IIRC. Vivax 100% had a red lean on iamp.. @Rayn how does your point about scumreading iamp for too long, play out for your read on vivax? | ||
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On March 07 2019 07:56 Oatsmaster wrote: because this game has turned into a bunch of egos yelling at each other.Why gotta be so mad mocsta, it ain’t personal its a 30player ish game, and very little people are cooperating. 40pages of almost nothing is created every 12 hrs, and someone needs to tell the boys to sit in the corner and stop playing with toys. | ||
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On March 07 2019 08:03 Holyflare wrote: 10% not awful is still attrociousI think the last few pages haven't been awful at all? i wouldnt be surprised if you and acro have committed over 10 pages to each other. [B]i am going to read rayn case on acro in detail now.[b/] And I would REALLY apperciate your feedback on what information a BH lynch will return - instead of dangling a carrot. LASTLY it is a disgrace no one else has commented on the ACE case. Its a 2page filter.NOBODY HAS AN EXCUSE NOT TO READ. and where the fuck was he during the american daylight shift? BC better follow through with Ace if no response after 24hrs. ACE CASE 1 ACE CASE 2 ACE CASE 3 | ||
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On March 07 2019 08:05 Oatsmaster wrote: go read the ace case.You are mad that people are calling you mediocre, not that the game is shit I dont have a problem with you. I like that you caleld out the cheerleader (wave) for that bullshit feelsgood post. There is no feels good. Its half way through the cycle, and there is no clear lynch candidates. The gamestate is terrible. | ||
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On March 07 2019 08:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: i would have to metadive when acro last played with a scum!iampMaybe i spelled that wrong. He should have 100% townread iamp. Vivax doesnt matter because he counts as three mafia when he is town, i wouldnt be surprised if he started seriously calling marv mafia right now and even that wouldnt make him mafia. to be fair. i didnt have a clue about how useless iamp was as scum, till the very last scum game i played (with iamp). I know people parroted in the game, but until i saw it myself, I didnt beleive it. I think you were in this game? I dunno, probably was like 8months ago. The last game before this one I suspect? | ||
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On March 06 2019 02:37 Vivax wrote: Anyway, here's my 100% scummers in case I die. Iamp, Oats, Marv, Sentinel. My 50 % scummers. Half of those are townies. rsoultin, Wiggles, Pandain, ExO, BH, TS Rayn not mafia cause can't be mafia with iamp in 9/10 cases. HF just decided to be a selfish dumbass and shit up the game and hurt my feelings, but alas, he's town by PoE. He literally doesn't give a shit about being townread when town. All he cares about is that people are wrong about him no matter his alignment so he can pat himself on the back. On March 06 2019 23:21 Mocsta wrote: Theres a lot of ppl giving Vivax a free pass. (e.g.) RSoultin says shit mafia. Rayn says shit town.Hi vivax Why swap on hf from this? Why arent i on this? Why arent u following up on oats and sentinel? I want to remind everyone of his EoN post, which my questions which he has ignored. Read this, and tell me how PLEASE how his Day2 has aligned with this. Even if you want to say, HF is scum because PoE changecd due to iamp/marv flip... where is the pressure on oats/sentinel. | ||
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On March 07 2019 08:20 Oatsmaster wrote: Who is the clear lynch candidates?I like that you apparently have no feelings We have 2 clear lynch candidates what are you smoking Ace case is meh, if this was his first game he’s mafia but it’s not so meh HF has~8 votes, BH ~4votes, Ace 3votes. About 15 people havent voted and their position is unclear. There is enough swing vote left to lynch ANYONE. There is no clear lynch candidate. As for ace. walk me through that logic. What has he done specifically that makes him scummy if he played the first time? | ||
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There are some valid points, however, I dont think the cons outweight the pros at this point. Feel free to counter. + Show Spoiler [Point1] + ]I really think we should lynch Acrofales and i don't think anything is going to change my mind this phase anymore. He has now given himself a perfect narrative to do absolutely nothing than sound like a broken record repeating Holyflare is mafia because he did a stupid thing. The problem is if you don't kill him right now even if we lynch another mafia after N2 too many influential players are going to be dead and he will simply yell over anyone who's left and town and you will get irritated and lose interest to play. I know this because it's how i used to play as scum. I get the appeal - But my priority this cycle is to spill the first red blood. If acro is lock scum, so be it; however, if its iffy, I cannot endorse a lynch on this basis with where the game is at. + Show Spoiler [point2] + He called out Grackaroni for making a useless list post and then continued doing nothing but listing lurkers / low volume posters for like next 24 hours. Neither of those are in itself necessarily scummy but saying someone is scum for doing a "universal mafia trait" -thing and then doing the same thing yourself is scummy as fuck and never comes from town, you'd have to be the biggest fucking hypocrite on earth to do that. Acro called out Grack for (1) making a list post and (2) disappearing afterwards. I think its element 2 that is critical and lines up with his anti-lurker position; AND it also provides a distinction between what he called out grack for, and the item you find hypocritical. This is null to me, in particular because this early game position can be done by both sides quite easily. + Show Spoiler [point3] + He scumread iamperfection for too long, he should know wayyyyy better regardless of the fact iamp made a case (that everyone should read) on him. The hard part here is that iamp cased acro. So theres legitimate OMGUS to factor in if TvT. I think this is quite a subjective tell and its one i think acro has enough consistency to pull off as town or scum. When acro called iamp null, I was null on him as well so I wouldnt feel comfortable to lynch acro if this is the key point of the case. + Show Spoiler [point4] + During the EoD he wasn't actively trying to do stuff, all he did was yelling and causing chaos. The most notable thing is he perfectly knew both Palmar's and Holyflare's mayor lynch choices don't align with his reads yet never ever during the whole time the debate was on tries he convince either of them to agree on a different lynch. Especially Palmar when they both share a scumread on Mocsta. There is simply no reason why a townie shouldn't care about this. Well the interesting part here is, that it seems in acro world, oats was a stronger read and he pushed this (limply) to palmar At facevalue I see this as a strong town!tell, because he didnt try to opportunistically sway Palmar onto me. He stuck with his read in Oats a couple posts later. I acknowledge that a strong scum can play like this. I know I like to focus on one guy, and have the others floating. Which is what he is doing. But again, by itself, I couldn't lynch. The key to determine town/scum in this scenario I would say is Sentinel + Oats alignment. This is because sentinel said his role PM and was dropped by HF i believe at this point; so if sentintel is scum, and oats is town, there will be no diff in acro world between me + oats. His win-con is met and can flloat. + Show Spoiler [point5] + Fake anger after D1 flips and anger directed at wrong place. Tubesock had a good post about this. (Part 1 = My gut feeling given I have not read the post-D1 "fake anger" posts) I disagree with Tubesock in that I can think of plenty of games were town is at an impasse because someone has performed an anti-town behaviour and there is a division between the ones that go, he is town, leave him, and those that go, he is anti-town lynch him. I believe in the past, Rayn has been a big advocate of lynching anti-town behavior that doesnt line up with how you play the game. Given how focused Acro is on policy at start, unfortunately, I can see narrative for him doing this as town or mafia. I can only assess by how I would go about this as mafia, but my goal to a town!HF would be to keep prodding him to let him shit the thread; however, i think this is the low probability BIG PLAYZ move, because, the damage was already done to HF. There is no need for scum to twist the knife in further. (Part 2 = After I read Acro post-D1 "fake anger posts) Hmm, i take issue for different reasons that you raised. I take issue he suddenly goes from Sentinel is town, to lynch sentinel Further, he starts off the cycle, NOT WANTING TO LYNCH HF What I see eventuate is a bunch of poking from both players devolve into OMGUS. The reason I take issue with the OMGUS is because, as mafia, I would be lapping this up and continuing it (as acro does into D2). As town, I know I would get heated pretty quickly, and then reassess in the next 12 hrs. I think even with HF still stirring the pot, a good player should be able to realise they are shitting the thread and drop it for other endeaours. If HF is scumm, hes not the only one in the game. I dunno if this is a personal tell that only applies to me, or can be used generically. I will say scum points to acro on this one. Biggest issue I see though is the flip flop on sentinel. + Show Spoiler [point6] + After D1 Acrofales hasn't done a single productive thing. He has given himself a narrative in calling Holyflare mafia, hiding behind it, and doing nothing else. Even if he genuinely thinks Holyflare is mafia for doing a bad / stupid thing (which isn't even a good reason to scumread someone) it's simply pure mafia play to excuse yourself for not doing anything other than calling him mafia and everyone stupid and bad. Ok so this ties in with what I wrote above. I will give scum points for this. | ||
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On March 07 2019 07:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: ahh cool we picked up on the same thing.Yes that is my argument. Idk why he was but he was. Very light townread but still townread. Another thing about caring. His case against you on idk n1 or d2. Your scumread on palmar. He didnt even care enough to check why i scumread palmar (your read was based on mine). He said i scumread palmar because palmar wanted to kill sentinel (which is ridiculous because i originally said i am okay with that plan eventhough i tgink palmar is scum) and because palmar didnt respond to my case on him (i had had a scumread on palmar long before that happened and that had literally nothing to do with your read on palmar). Is that much caring? Like its not very hard to know why me or you scumread palmar if you read our filters with any thought, somehow he managed to miss that while its the backbone of his case. Then he said something like holyflare must die for his stunt and will flip mafia but hey lets lynch wiggles and sentinel because palmar said so. Like wtf he doesnt even think sentinel is mafia eod1 but when night starts he magically is because palmar flipped, and i bet he didnt even know at that point why palmar read wiggles mafia. I think at this point I would have to meta-dive acro to get a feel if he puts in this type of effort as scum. Because whilst the sentinel thing is weird, hes got some good consistency overall. do you honestly think acro is a higher chance to flip than ace? let me remind you: On March 06 2019 21:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: I agree on the case on Ace. I had more thought on it and i think the fact that he was actually aware of Trfel (or at least looked like he is) suggests that it is more likely he did in fact know what Holyflare was about to do. I know a lot of people are saying Ace is too good as scum to do something like that but i don't believe that is the case. I think Ace decided he can use his activity as an excuse to "not know HF is gonna lynch Palmar", aka that he didn't see it, and did the numbers and thought he can get away with it. Also Ace is not like some fucking mafia god that doesn't make any mistakes. | ||
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On March 07 2019 08:20 Oatsmaster wrote: Ace case is meh, if this was his first game he’s mafia but it’s not so meh On March 07 2019 08:30 Mocsta wrote: As for ace. walk me through that logic. What has he done specifically that makes him scummy if he played the first time? On March 07 2019 08:34 Oatsmaster wrote: Lets try this again Read the cases again that’s what it is lol All im asking for is that you comment on what you found could be scummy about Ace. Its a 2 page filter so is one of the easiest things in this game to reply about. https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?user=Ace | ||
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On March 07 2019 09:32 Oatsmaster wrote: yes, that would be lovely.So you want me to reiterate what other people have said? | ||
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On March 07 2019 09:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: You somehow think being consistent is a town trait while in fact its completely non-alignment indicative. I can see consistency wasnt the right word to convey what I meant. Treat it as, Acrofales has enough references in his filter to trace his position over time - instead of it being in his head. I personally think its taxing to do this as scum with more than 2 or 3 people. We arent talking about 1 line mentions, he has a defendable (read: quotable) position. | ||
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On March 07 2019 09:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: i acknowledged this via (limply)Also Mocsta; saying "palmar lynch oats and whoever that was after i get lynched" is faaaaaar from trying to convince palmar to change his mayor lynch target. but it doesnt change that I feel you over embellished that point. Regardless, I want to know why acrofales flipped his read on sentinel. I can seriously consider a lynch based on that. I dont see how a palmar or trfel should change his read on sentinel at all. | ||
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Thats not a good sign. I dont really feel like doing that, until i get an answer about sentinel first. | ||
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If you agree with others, surely its as easy to respond to me, as it is to give a quote. Hes either scummy or not scummy.
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i was about to read the exchanges between you + acro. but go on. | ||
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On March 07 2019 10:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: Which ones do we agree on (not putting acro here); - ace, the thing you sais - bh, no need to explain(?) - wiggles, uninterested in game solving, also had this weird post defending acro for me attacking vocal player (called it fear mongering), then in same post says dont lynch ace because we have bigger fish to fry rofl - sicklucker; imo too calm and had the susp post about reducing mafia kp which imo points out towards scum because whenever i feel like he has extra information he is scum (or blue but not blue here) - onegu; always interested in my alignment or^and what i think of him when he is town. Now zero, nada Idk who else Yes to ace I dont have a position on BH to be honest. I was waiting for HF to spell out what his lynch would reveal. I can look into him? Wiggles - I agree, seems aloof/uninvested. I didnt realise the call away from ace. i know its pre-flip, but I like it! SL - no idea. would have to read Onegu - yes can lynch. Absolutely useless Who else? What about damdred / sentinel / ExO / darthfoley | ||
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On March 07 2019 10:41 Fecalfeast wrote: I have been trumpeted ace because many have skirted around commenting - But no one is shitting on the observations being WRONG. i read some recent stuff agree with mocsta on ace even if he has been a little tunneled on it and will be voting ace acro sentinel bloodycobbler bh hf I would easily lynch off the top of my head other than ace rayn mocsta wave and I think MZ are strong towns for me at this point I'd prefer if someone would ask me stuff rather than idle reading with so much content to parse though The only counter has been, "we expect more from ace" which is not a reason to town read someone. I think the the resistance without proven wrong, is a good sign that the trail is valid. I would consider swapping to sentinel though. I need to undersatnd what information it woudl glean first. i.e. if he is town, will it confirm anyone is scum. Otherwise, I dont see the risk/reward return over Ace. | ||
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On March 07 2019 10:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: ok, thats fair points on sentinel. I checked database, and as mafia hes been lynched day 1,2,3 more often than survived. so it lines up.Sentinel i think is town. When i was mafia wiith him (the infamous Noir game where you fakeclaimed medic twice) he had serious issues putting together even ANY single post. I basically played the game for him. I can see why people think he is scummy even after he read his role but i think even that is out of his mafia posting range. Others no idea. At the start of the game i thought exo is town but i havent revisited him since and i dont remember anything from any of those ppl. This most recent mafia effort (2014) he was lynched D3. Filter for anyone that cares. so i townread oats, and if sentinel is oats. in scum!acro world. pushing sentinel/oats/mocsta is all the same thing. Which could go someway to explaining not going hard to influence palmar. . or at miniimum, point palmar in that direction. especially after (acro) changed his mind on sentinel i will give you that. hmm, once im done reading you + acro. i will give damdred a go. BH has like a 6p filter (surprisingly) . feels too much effort for me right now. | ||
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On March 07 2019 11:07 Oatsmaster wrote: Hi oats, one more thing please.Mocsta, Ace is really scummy and I would Lynch him after hf and bh die. So I was like he’s too scummy to be scum but then I was like he’s really scummy though and then I was like if I remove his name would I lynch and then I was like yeah so yeah he mafia Do you think HF and BH are both scum? I can see a world where you want one of HF/BH over Ace. but I dont understand why both. | ||
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On March 07 2019 11:15 Oatsmaster wrote: if you could mayor lynch one of HF/BH right now.Why not? Bh was useless, lamp was like let’s go and everyone followed then bh marytred but in the end, holyflare didn’t mayor kill BH so why can’t they both be mafia? Do you think one is more likely to flip scum? | ||
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On March 07 2019 11:29 Alakaslam wrote: Im not following what you mean:His inconsistencies make sense in the context of their timings. He scumread BC, yes, but he also thought lynchin Palmar was a good idea too. Morale to floor after that. (1) He scumread BC before voting Koshi? On March 04 2019 06:12 Ace wrote: Awww shit it's ScumC0bbler 😁 On March 05 2019 05:43 Ace wrote: ##Vote:Koshi (2) Where does he think lynching palmar is a good idea? On March 05 2019 08:58 Ace wrote: @BC: where did I say I want Palmar killed??? (3) If he lost morale, why would he so invested to be caught up enough to comment on trfel? On March 05 2019 08:58 Ace wrote: @trfel: I think you should seriously claim if lynch noise bout to drop. | ||
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On March 06 2019 23:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fuck, i get your point finally. The issue isnt that acro didnt push his scum reads. Its that he didnt push them when his townreads were on the mayor candidate block. yeah... i get it.I dont care if Mocsta was your top 1 or top 5 scumread but you and Palmar agreed on Mocsta being mafia at some point when all mayors wanted to kill your townreads and you didnt do fucking shit. How fucking hard is this to explain? Are you like 5 yrs old? OK. this shit needs to be timestamped.. lets jump in. this took a while to compile. gonna take a break before actually reading it. but I posting as is, cos a relevant compilation to sequence of events. PREGAME On February 28 2019 10:07 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I will be here but I probably won't get around to reading my role PM until N1 INGAME On March 03 2019 00:08 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Not reading my role PM until N1 ftr On March 03 2019 03:59 Holyflare wrote: I will lynch sentinel this cycle with a mayor vote by the way. Not only are his posts pointless blending but if you want an excuse for a policy lynch he is it. On March 03 2019 19:17 Holyflare wrote: If I am mayor and sentinel is lynched I will just lynch whoever is second in votes. Don't really care about it and at least it will give us a better idea on wagon splits. On March 03 2019 22:49 Holyflare wrote: Sentinel is the mayor kill. We should be voting for who we think is mafia. On March 04 2019 02:49 Holyflare wrote: My vote will never be on anyone other than Sentinel as mayor. If he claims a role pm being read then it will be on whoever is the second highest vote, as I've stated. I don't think I'm a "wild cannon" like you purport. More so Palmar will be just doing what he wants and that is far more detrimental when he self reportedly doesn't play weekends and has only really come up with a Sentinel policy lynch and some mediocre writings (although not awful to read, just no drive). On March 04 2019 03:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I'm VT btw On March 04 2019 06:17 Acrofales wrote: I'm here and caught up. There's a few posts in specific that I want to respond to, but in general: 1. Iamp is an idiot. He makes a case on me every game and it's always really bad. I will respond in more detail when I get to it, but his whole case is dumb. For starters, neither sicklucker nor oats are lurkers. Moreover, I quite obviously excluded the real lurkers. I want to kill the people who are popping into the thread, not contributing and fucking off. Not the people who weren't here at all. Iamp wanting to lynch me for dumb shit isn't new, and he's always wrong. He eats out of my hand when I'm scum and wants to lynch me when I'm town. And this is all I remember about him from 5 years ago. It's always fun. I'll decide later whether this was a scummy push, though. He hasn't done much of use other than his "case" on me, whcih he started before I had even gotten into this thread proper. Anyway, I don't think he is a good lynch target for D1. He usually starts to see the light eventually when he's town, and if he isn't, we can kill him tomorrow. Better stuff to do today. 2. No longer want to kill Sent. But the reason Palmar gets the votes is because he was clear and concise about his aims, whereas HF had many different goals. Now that sent claims he read his PM, and has actually started playing a bit, I don't think he's a good kill anymore. @Palmar: do you still plan on murdering sent? 3. I'm still quite happy with Palmar for mayor, his posts have been townie enough for me and I trust him to find scum a lot more than I do HF. 4. Lets lynch Oats. I'm on board with damdred, but he promised to contribute in 10 mins, so I'll give him until then. Oats has given no sign he has read the thread beyond looking for stuff to troll and throw out random names. Grackaroni has managed to look a bt more townie in his posts today. He pulled himself together and he is totally buddying me and I'm falling for it. Deal with it. On March 04 2019 18:07 Holyflare wrote: My mayor lynch will be on Palmar by the way. On March 04 2019 18:19 Palmar wrote: As a sidenote, I actually think all the top mayor wagons are town. I think the least likely wagon to have many mafia on it is HF. I think my wagon is appealing to mafia, I think iamp's wagon is also appealing. I think smaller wagons and not voting yet is even more appealing to mafia. The reason I think mafia is unlikely to be on HF's wagon is that it's a raggedy bunch of contrarians, baddies and outright trolls. I think these protest votes are actually more likely to be town. I think my wagon (and iamp's to a lesser extent) is a much safer bet for mafia. I'm the conventional choice, the easy choice to make. I'm playing pretty townie, I'm a well known name in all eras of TL Mafia, I have a clear objective etc. I think mafia is less likely to be contrarian like that. It's somewhat similar to my thoughts on sentinel, he might be mafia because he wasn't enough of a difficult assholes. If there is one way to describe the people on HF's wagon, including HF himself, it's "difficult assholes". On March 04 2019 18:40 Holyflare wrote: I think there's quite a few obvious reasons Sentinel could do what he's done, as town, and none of them should make him the lynch today. On March 04 2019 18:58 Palmar wrote: No I know townies do stupid shit all the time. Including playing anti-town. It's the way he's gone about doing the things he did that's suspicious to me. In general people who play mafia think they're better than everyone else and are spiteful assholes. If he genuinely hadn't read his role PM I believe there is absolutely no way he just caved in I read it, thus option b). Now option b) says nothing about his alignment of course, as he still doesn't know it, but that's irrelevant. The option I think cannot be true is c) He didn't read his role PM, then caved in when I pressured him and read his role PM and claimed his role. I just don't think people work like that. Maybe I'm wrong, but yeah. I am very, very certain that either a) or b) is the truth, not c). On March 04 2019 19:06 Acrofales wrote: K. I'm comfortable sheeping Palmar. Rayn not being abusive feels like he's trying to fly under the radar. Now, if you can just vote Oats, I can afk the rest of the day On March 04 2019 19:09 Palmar wrote: I guess the summary of people I have opinions on: Town read: iamperfection Damdred Town lean: Holyflare Lightningstrike WaveofShadow Acrofales rsoultin Scum lean: rayn Scum read: Sentinel Mocsta As I write this... holy shit do I need to form opinions ona bunch of people. On March 04 2019 19:56 Acrofales wrote: I'm at about max work on this thread that I plan to do this game, so if that isn't enough, I die. I flip green and you lynch the shit out of Oats, Mocsta and all the other opportunistic scumshits who hopped on my wagon with little/no reasoning. Maybe you lynch Iamp too, because 90% of the reason he looks so town to people is because of his case on me and his push for it. Anyway, at a PC, so I'll post my thoughts on Iamp, and then I'll get to work writing the paper that I need to finish today. On March 04 2019 20:05 Holyflare wrote: Why does rayn's activity have anything to do with his alignment? Palmar should also know this, and it's why he's mafia because it's a poor excuse to scum read rayn when there's plenty of other reasons to. Rayn works long hours so often goes long times without activity. The last thing he did when he was here was shit up the thread. This is a poor flip flop acro. On March 05 2019 01:37 Holyflare wrote: If sentinel is town what do you expect him to do (especially if he is potentially blue)? | ||
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On March 06 2019 23:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: hmmm you are right.Why arent you answering the question? You just outlined everything i said without answering the question. This is not about "why didnt you wanna kill Mocsta", this is about why didn't you do anything at all. acro has a major anomaly here states he doesnt want to kill sent. asks palmar if he still wants to kill sent. justifies sticking with palmar because of the read on rayn lightly pushes oats, even though palmar strongly indicates me + sent are in his top 2 mayor lynches went to the effort of writing a huge case on oats, I would have thought acro would push this harder onto palmar to avoid his town read sentinel being lynched. i think the situation i had where I voted palmars read on conversion, and mayored hf who lynched palmar is different. Because there was an element of tilt, so I was looking at things as two separate events. Acro doesnt have this issue D1, so i think it scummy. | ||
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On March 07 2019 12:06 Ace wrote: ohh man.. my take from this is that ace is the 3rd party lolHolyflare is Scum https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=27283802 <---bullshit filter dive in fact, there are just too many posts that show he isn't scum hunting. It's either a lax attempt to show what someone else did wrong, asking "what should we do now?" type questions, or just filler. Outside of this, he killed Palmar. The entire reason behind my Day 1 post was to tie any mayor candidate to their lynch choice. It's not just that he didn't lynch Sentinel - if he had justifiable reasons then so be it. But he lynched Palmar and his reasoning rests on because he thought he was scum. Seriously. This guy should be the obvious lynch. How many people really thought Palmar was scum? He just did it because he could.And even if you somehow don't believe he's Scum he is clearly a net negative for the Town. He literally has done nothing - and this is coming from a guy who's been afk, caught up on only 30 pages or so and sees the nonsense plain as day. The nightkills - 3 dead. All Town. I refuse, literally refuse to think a vigilante shot any of them over Holyfield. Like it seems unfathomable that the targets would end up at Marv, Iamp, or Koshi (lol wut?). Especially with one being Vet and dying (maybe Rb + shot). If there's a third party out there, I think it goes without saying you should start shooting scum or clashing flips from now on Lastly, I saw something about marv playing cop wrong. I actually think he made himself "obvious town" or whatever you want to call it and should have drawn night protection. Especially since he was a replacement with fresh eyes into the game. Maybe we have no more docs or the kill went through somehow. Either way I think it's worth backtracking him and iamps posts (-2 nightlife means very desperate kill) especially. this is hilarious sigh im close to unvoting. | ||
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On March 07 2019 13:32 Ace wrote: ohh man cant afford to lynch. town needs all the spare bullets we have lefthttps://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=27285311 Mocsta I like your post :D Firstly, I got mod prodded. Regarding Mayor, I was never going to run. However, you're idea that I didn't "care" about who got Mayor is spot on. I really did not care whether HF or Palmar got it. I was more so interested in binding them to an opinion on who to lynch. If they deviated from that without sensible reasoning or flip/flopped I would find it extremely suspect. Asking about lynching Palmar is not the same as saying I definitely want Palmar lynched. I also did not have a strong opinion on scum read till BC near EOD. I screwed up in not moving my vote before deadline but I was wishy/washy on Trfel. Also, I tend to not give strong opinions on people until I'm ready to do so. I've also been out of the thread for long periods of time so some of my posts may seem disjointed - I'm trying to play catch up and will not voice every thought that comes to mind or may even forget some conversations. But really, I do like the post! ##Unvote Work with us on acro pls | ||
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On March 07 2019 13:46 Ace wrote: lol... i take no acknowledgement, as a sublte acknowledgement I'm currently on page 202 lol. I doubt I will catch up. But I will definitely try to vote before deadline which is 7PM ET I think (about 19 hours from now). In the event I don't can you link me to the relevant posts on Acro and/or summarize. Really not trying to be lazy but this is a lot to wade through and take notes on with my limited time. Love it+ Show Spoiler [Rayn case] + On March 06 2019 21:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: I really think we should lynch Acrofales and i don't think anything is going to change my mind this phase anymore. He has now given himself a perfect narrative to do absolutely nothing than sound like a broken record repeating Holyflare is mafia because he did a stupid thing. The problem is if you don't kill him right now even if we lynch another mafia after N2 too many influential players are going to be dead and he will simply yell over anyone who's left and town and you will get irritated and lose interest to play. I know this because it's how i used to play as scum. Here is a list why Acrofales is mafia:
I encourage everyone to put your votes on Acrofales. All these Lighntingstrikes and Alakaslams need to get their heads out of their asses. Wave if you want to spend the rest of the game with scum 5-years-ago-rayn then be my guest and have your vote on HF as policy but don't complain after the game, especially in case Acrofales at some point decides to call you mafia and wants to have you lynched. You will not like it a single bit. The truth is Holyflare executing his scumread Palmar, however bad or stupid you may think that is, isn't actually even close to a good reasoning of him being mafia. I agree on the case on Ace. I had more thought on it and i think the fact that he was actually aware of Trfel (or at least looked like he is) suggests that it is more likely he did in fact know what Holyflare was about to do. I know a lot of people are saying Ace is too good as scum to do something like that but i don't believe that is the case. I think Ace decided he can use his activity as an excuse to "not know HF is gonna lynch Palmar", aka that he didn't see it, and did the numbers and thought he can get away with it. Also Ace is not like some fucking mafia god that doesn't make any mistakes. + Show Spoiler + I caught him once because scum nuked meapak and i went to fakeclaim the nuke when for any player who doesn't have TMI that nuke never comes from mafia. Ace got confused and started gunning on me being mafia completely ignoring the fact before. And he couldn't even keep his story straight. So yeah, it's not like Ace alwasy does the most optimal play as mafia. Mr.Wiggles is also mafia but that's for tomorrow. Relevant D1 timestamps Some counters from observers Acro Response 1 Acro response 2 Acro response 3 Acro response 4 Acro Response 5 Acro case on HF | ||
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On March 07 2019 14:59 Alakaslam wrote: i suspect you knew ace wasn't scumAce should be mayor, if we remayor when mayor is lynched you just didnt know he wasn't town. | ||
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On March 07 2019 18:17 Holyflare wrote: selrial killer dudeI feel like mocsta dropped his scum read on ace far too quickly even though ace just made a few incongruous false statements. Totally makes sense why hes indifferent | ||
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On March 07 2019 19:22 AMG wrote: i wonder if marv can double replace?Gun to my head, I'd say the scum team involves Ace, Onegu, possibly BH. Please, if a replacement can be found for this position, give them a fair opportunity to prove themselves. Last game ever. Lets break the rules!! | ||
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##vote: vivax Ur clearly shitting on the thread now This isnt tunneled town vivax. Too facaetious. Posting dor the sake of stirrinf | ||
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On March 07 2019 20:14 Holyflare wrote: they are voting you because you are an internet narcissist.I don't understand why anyone even thinks I'm mafia that would trade 1 for 1 with Palmar for absolutely no reason at all. Then they make up some bs like they don't even remember how the d1 vote count went. There was no real vote count for 20 minutes after deadline. You have 10% of the page count for what? Congrats, you won the last mayor, and in my opinion wrecked town atmosphere. I dont think you are scum, I actually thought you were pretty sincere before you when you said you were burnt out. Makes sense, its a bucket load of effort to maintain. Acro has been putting it in equally too you know. I really think you are both town. I really want damdred lynched. or someone from the lurker pool Or vivax, i dont care at this point. I invested most of my energy into Ace and for what. fuckn 3P. sigh. | ||
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More than happy to lynch him this cycle as well. fuck it. better chance of him than vivax ##UNVOTE ##VOTE: Ex0_ | ||
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On March 07 2019 20:26 Holyflare wrote: i dont have a firm read on him.Why aren't you lynching bh mocsta? i dunno i liked him this cycle actually + im waiting for you to tell me what alignment information is revealed if he flips town or mafia. i truly have no idea where we will be if hes a mislynch, and that concerns me. | ||
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On March 07 2019 20:27 Holyflare wrote: fair enoughAnd if you think I'm town why do you think vivax is mafia? If he was mafia he's gone out of his way to ask mod questions on something he knows I could only be telling the truth about and he'd look stupid. He's almost invariably town. i was assessing based on a heuristic i have of him as town. Hes even more nitpicky than you, and im not seeing it. I concede that heuristics are normally context specific, so perhaps its not relevant to apply. Like i said, im happy to go elsewhere. Im secretly concerned about rsoultin/rayn. Dunno, im starting to feel paranoid. The simplest answer is the best. Acro/HF/Palmar are all town, and all mafia had to do was sit back and enjoy the fireworks. Maybe there is one, possibly two active scum. But i suggest the majority are in the lurker pool. Fuck, thats what I would do. Why would i want to read 250 pages if i didnt have to.. WHy would i want to read 40pages every 24hrs if i didnt have to.. Damdred #YOLO! | ||
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On March 07 2019 20:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: This makes no sense to me from a town win-con perspective.The problem here is Mocsta that there are also players unlike 90% of the people who actually want to get some personal pleasure out of this game besides lynching random lurkers who are afraid (or otherwise incapable) of posting. I would have never had any fun with this game if people just lynched players from post count 0 -> (which is often the most correct play for like the first three days). Sometimes you make mistakes, sometimes you make horrible mistakes, but oh well, that happens. If we get a mislynch this cycle, surely, you see yourself being shot N2. Then the game is left in the hands of that 90% pool of unpredictable lurkers. maybe its just a difference of personal opinion dunno. what do you think of the thread cheerleader wave? To me thats the ideal active scum role to play in this type of atmosphere. | ||
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On March 07 2019 20:35 Holyflare wrote: those are good pointsI mean it's fairly straightforward to piece together. If BH is town and Trfel is town, mafia want to get the least flak possible for it. They are increasingly likely to be the people that voted off of both trfel and BH wagons. I made a whole post on this. It also means that the people that did a last minute vote switch were likely to be town too because why risk looking awful at deadline to save a scum partner aka vivax/conversion. If BH is mafia then it is incredibly likely mafia tried to save him or look good in lynching him. I don't see anyone that is trying to look good on his wagon all I see is people shitting on it for no discernable reason. Thus it's likely mafia tried to save him by voting trfel. I think BH was a very easy mislynch to be on if you were mafia and he was town. Somehow it was like pulling teeth and he survived. Thus I think he's mafia based on votes. Based on play I think he's absolutely mafia. He's not actually giving reads, he's giving advice on how to play and comments. He seems sarcastic in nearly every post he makes. He's only voting me because I'm the wagon that will help him survive because I've already contradicted his only case on me with evidence that I do the same thing in multiple games (claim at night) but he ignores it and carries on. At face value i agree Gonna have a shower and read filters of those who voted him Im 70% there | ||
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Im voting bh We need day1 closure Im honestly ok with losing if hf is scum I really cant see it ##vote: BH | ||
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On March 07 2019 22:33 Acrofales wrote: its not infoOh come on, mocsta. I don't want to make a BH is town post, because most of the reasoning is already in my filter, but lynching BH for information doesn't make any sense at all. You want to lynch for information? Lynch scum. That's the only real way to get information on who was reticent about lynching them, and hedging their bets. But lets say we lynch "for information": If BH is scum (unlikely at this point), I guess it looks bad for Vivax, but Conversion, the one who sealed the deal, already flipped town. It also looks kinda bad for anybody else on the trfel wagon, but any decent scumteam is going to distribute votes and some will be bussing their buddy, especially if their buddy is BH begging to get killed in the thread. Imho, there is very little information to be gained here even if he's scum. Maybe from today's lynch you'd gain more, but I'm willing to be scum is not gonna vote to save him now either. I sure as hell wouldn't if I were mafia. If BH is town, it literally didn't matter at all to scum what wagon they were or weren't on in D1, and we learn jack shit from flipping BH. They were welcome to vote for whoever they wanted. I guess people who didn't bother to consolidate on either of the wagons look bad, but with so many people just plain afk, even that is hard to figure out. The two wagons are hf and bh Im not sure we can get a swing onto an alternate cos no idea whom thw lurkers will latch onto If bh and hf are both town. I would prefer to lynch bh still | ||
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On March 07 2019 22:39 Acrofales wrote: im one voteGAaaaaaargh. I almost want to lynch you instead for this amount of retardation. I dont see what ur issue is Im not the make/break for u to get hf flipped | ||
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On March 07 2019 22:44 WaveofShadow wrote: You know as well as I that there's no way you're getting lunch today Wtf Based on what? | ||
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On March 07 2019 22:52 Acrofales wrote: dude i undwrstand what u r sayingWho says this won't come down to a single vote? But regardless of that: way to abdicate your power. If you really think both are town, have the balls to vote for a scumread. I n my opinion town wont unite unless there is closure for bh/hf I doubt we have a backup backup cop.. so one of the two needs to be lynched Without unity. The game is over. Ace was my best read. Not mucb has changed ither than HE hinted he was 3P. I think sk is still part of non themed game... Too much value to get possibly get rid of him. Next best scum read is a crapshoot to be frank I want exo or damdred or wiggles lynched I cant remember anything wiggles wrote whicj is not a good sign Im going to bed.. and wknt be back till 30mjn before deadline Obviously i cNt catch up on thread like vivax expects me too If damdred exo or wiggles has a lhnchable wagon i will change my vote in morning. Otherwise the lesser evil between bh and hf.. is to keep hf in my opinion | ||
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On March 07 2019 23:00 WaveofShadow wrote: good postVivax why are you invoking Ace and bc? Anyway, hf is pretty likely town here. Fuck cases, fuck reading through 80 page filters. That's not how this game gets won. Hf does have limits to what he's capable of. I had kind of forgotten that. Deflecting suspicion for the entirety of a game is not where he likes to be. Sure he can put forth more sheer effort than nearly anybody else, but that is a tall order. Way more likely he actually did what he said and was dumb because he loves being right and looking right. It honestly seems pretty simple once you cut out all the bullshit. If I'm wrong here I'll eat that be a use I'm going back completely on what I said myself. If we lynch hf anyway and he's town, I'm kind of ok with it because it's on him. I'll be voting BH barring any extreme circumstances at this point now. I think BH is a 50/50 but he has a much lower chance of flipping green. My candidate if people want to try for crazy shit at the end of a day is the Pandain slot. I'm like 90 per ebt certain that's scum. We don't learn much from it, but it's solid. No need foe this as scum U jn my good books | ||
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On March 07 2019 23:08 Holyflare wrote: thats a fair point from hfThat's in a vacuum of 24 hours where everyone is still salty. I'm sure he'd come around eventually. Almost positive in fact. Jt doesnt matter whether he woukd come around or not The salient part is that it was written when salty | ||
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On March 08 2019 01:01 Tictock wrote: Really bad post.##Vote: Blazinghand Prob wont be able to be around till basically EoD. Mostly Sheeping, but of the 2? posts from BH I have read I got weird vibes so yea... seems fine. Only concern is that Mr. Wiggles is leading the wagon, but I have no time to look at things myself so, yea. Good D3 lynch | ||
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On March 08 2019 01:24 Ace wrote: ohh man you are a funny guyBtw guys let's try and not piss people off. It is the allegedly last game on the forum. Have some fun and keep it respectful. great timing its a shame you stopped when we all joined. | ||
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On March 08 2019 02:37 Rels wrote: @rayn/relsmy goal is (was ?) to have a rsoul / rayn / me QT, and I chose rsoul first because of the reasons above. Sorry if you feel left alone lol If rsoultin is scum. Wuld you expect her to engage in the QT and try to persuade you otherwise? Like, the concern may be she will give herself away and that you mason her to get a scum read... Everything described on how the events went down, is REALLY fuckn odd to me (lack of engagement/curiousity/read sharing) - and scum roll makes a lot of sense. | ||
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On March 08 2019 03:07 LightningStrike wrote: yeah course.Ya Tina's likely town and I fucked up on my read on her late Day 1. As scum she wouldn't of mention that Mason QT stuff with Rels inside the thread like that and would just privately tell her scummates in her qt. Sorry Tina for misreading you fuck, didnt think of that the crazy idea would be they dotn want to waste a bullet on him N2, but thats just making up something for the sake of it. kk rels + rsoultin town. | ||
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On March 08 2019 09:50 WaveofShadow wrote: Seconded! the ending was brilliant.Also I just read the night post, fucking A1 flavour Kita. thanks wave for prompting me to read it! | ||
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On March 08 2019 03:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: +1 followupMocsta made effort to summarize this all to you. What effort did you do to even fucking look at it and why didnt you? very sexy | ||
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On March 08 2019 03:32 Tubesock wrote: Good postI don’t see a world we can swap off BH to kill much more likely mafia and not have HF get lynched. I have two hours of useful consciousness, so if there’s any ideas I’m game. | ||
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On March 08 2019 03:45 Ace wrote: SlimeyI didn't miss your other point in that post. Just only wanted to comment on that exchange and the what I saw as a missing conclusion. All good though 👌 I like tubesock, but this reads like scum coaching scu | ||
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On March 08 2019 03:50 Grackaroni wrote: grack is townRead the last few pages of my filter and Rayns filter and Mocsta's filter. Every one else is just back and forth between HF and BH. this is actually a legitimately helpful comment and accurate reflection of game state grack. i read a couple pages prior, you felt everyone was ignoring you. if im around on d3, i will go through your shit | ||
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On March 08 2019 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: it would be so funny if acro + rayn is mafiaHolyflare last time; are you seriously stupid enough to not see Acrofales as mafia? rayn seems so legit here can be he this headstrong as town. I would like to think so. I dunno, just reading this made me reminisce when i have been scum and made a case on my scum buddy and noone believed it. And i almost got lynched for it, even though all the points were spot on. | ||
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On March 08 2019 04:01 Tubesock wrote: I like your last point.It started with agreement on a semi long stream of posts. And other small things that he did that I doubt mafia HF would bother with. While I certainly will semi ignore someone I town from time to time, HF’s townread can disappear quite fast. I’m always watching what he does. I’ve been called contrarian many times. But I truly believe that him sticking to what he said he’d do (shoot Palmar) is far more likely to come from town HF. I do think MafiaHF would have never pushed Palmar and instead gone after one of the other prominent towns and killed them instead. Rayn he could have killed at the time as most were lukewarm on him at the time. Or whoever. I have a different explanation. Its personal, but whatever. HF wanted to win the the last mayor at all costs. He exacerbated the divide of HF or Palmar by finding a reason to scum read Palmar, naturally, people should reconsider where their vote goes. Unfortunately, this could be town or scum HF. I will give it to you, that HF could be scum for teasing an alternative mayor lynch and chickened out - I know hes sought to debunk this via "mod PMs and thretening to modkill" but meh. WIFOM. I dunno, the D2 emphasis on HF has felt quite real. In particular the past 12hrs his tone has shifted dramatically. He actually does seem drained which lines up with what I would expect. Acro did too, but seems to have rejuvenated a little quicker - that Im not sure what to make of. | ||
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On March 08 2019 04:29 Oatsmaster wrote: scummy postLet’s talk about this mason thing, seems fairly interesting. Rels can you say exactly what you can do please? Rsoul and rels, what have you guys been saying in there? this goes no where other than feeding scum team info for nk selection. | ||
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On March 08 2019 04:42 Tubesock wrote: interestingI never scumread him. So, it’s hilarious you are saying I’m scum for this, but apparently Wiggles is somehow town for doing exactly that. Take a look at my two posts: Then Why do you think i wrote the big and bold?? It’s a fucking trap and you fell right into it. Oatsmaster didn’t bother to read anything more than the single post and looking for “reads” at the shallowest of levels. You went straight to Tube is mafia because of this “slip” you found. Yet you had no idea it was a trap and you fell into it!!! This action on your part is representative of your entire game. You are mafia. this needs to be explored in D3. | ||
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On March 08 2019 04:50 Oatsmaster wrote: This is actually very anti-townYou don’t understand. Either you or holyflare is getting lynched today at this point, there’s nothing else strong enough. everyone town needs to lynch who they think is the least town or most mafia between the two of you. Lynches are the town’s power but if there is a significant amount of people off wagon then it becomes the mafia power because they have the numbers to manipulate it their favor. Oats has officially dipped into my red zone. | ||
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On March 08 2019 05:07 Holyflare wrote: Yes, Ex0 should be lynched D3. Guaranteed scum with BH flip.[...] You have misread the Exo post because that's not what it says at all. He says that Blazinghand, the person that he voted to lynch, looked like an innocent town guy campaigning for a better town. He lynched him while saying this. This is unequivocally scummy. | ||
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On March 08 2019 05:23 Vivax wrote: wtf is this shitHonestly that wiggles case was made in a state of emotional distress. you were bandying about the N1 | ||
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On March 08 2019 05:55 Blazinghand wrote: Man this made me chuckle so much. Much love BHYou still shot Palmar. And to be honest I'm still voting you at this point because while I am only modestly sure you are scum based on your fakeclaim, you still have treated me in a way that only makes sense if you are a mega-asshole or if you are scum. Also, I know I'm town, and there's no wagon to be had on Ace or Exo. Even if I were 50%+ sure you are town (which I am not, btw) I'd still vote you in a situation where it's you or me. I get the feeling you realized there's a good chance I'm town a while ago, and you're still voting me, after all. And yeah, admitting this makes me look bad, but it's the truth. | ||
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On March 08 2019 10:43 Mocsta wrote: like i get its last game.is this appropriate from a host for a live player? but this makes me go there is no vig in the game.. so kita is free to luagh it off. sigh.. oh well carry on. | ||
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On March 08 2019 05:59 Vivax wrote: Another anti-town post.Seems lazy I know, but Im pretty happy with just judging him off his early posts alone. Today is scum vs scum and in that case making a third wagon is pointless. Everything from vivax this cycle reads quite fake. Like hes trying to emulate this tunneled town persona. | ||
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On March 08 2019 06:07 Ace wrote: hmmm.. AceHey guys - stop saying there's no chance you'll lynch HolyScum so you'll start another wagon. Just keep your vote on him and let the lynch go through Focus! why did you dodge giving a read on acro like you committed to. i gave you the info Rayn followed it up. | ||
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and with ace ace is in the qt telling the taem to shut up and let town self~implode + Show Spoiler [HF reads] + On March 08 2019 06:24 Holyflare wrote: Tubesock: Voted Trfel, didn't give a read on BH, wasn't around at deadline. First Trfel voter. Says he would lynch conversion but prefers Trfel? Since Tube was first on Trfel there wasn't a wagon then, so he voted Trfel over stated Conversion lynch (who did have people on that wagon(check this please)?) Hasn't ever mentioned BH or any lack of vig kill on BH? Sicklucker Painful reading. Says BH is mafia, wants to lynch me today instead. Complains about hero vig's obviously not shooting BH and shooting another townie but then votes me instead. Wanted to lynch Trfel over BH. Says BH is pushing really obvious mafia things in thread but all he has on Trfel is: Which doesn't really make sense in the slightest. Sentinel Said trfel was scummy, most of his filter near deadline is arguing with Trfel. Says BH is a wasted lynch and defends that like 3 times. BH does his martyr and Sentinel says BH looks scummy. Just sticks on Trfel and backs up his reasoning when the deadline is already over: Doesn't really weigh in on BH much other than this? Super afk guy at the moment. Mr.Wiggles Wants Conversion dead, has said absolutely nothing about Trfel but then tells me this: Really out of the blue. Is voting for Trfel at the end too. Shits on BH train. Only cares about Conversion. After telling me to lynch Trfel he doesn't seem bothered Vivax is moving to trfel, if anything wants him to go for Conversion instead. No actual reasons for voting trfel other than "not liking them too much either", votes Trfel. Suddenly says we should take care of BH tonight after not agreeing with his lynch D1 at all. Gives a reason to vote Trfel after he was lynched instead of before: He said nothing about BH at all other than the vig thing after saying he wasn't a good target and then suddenly today it's: Follow the reads that existed on the d1 wagon that he didn't like. Tumblewood Called Trfel town!!!! Said nothing much of use for the first 2 pages of filter (of 4) votes conversion just because why not says trfel hasn't really read much and needs to have a scum read says bh is bad, looks a lot worse than his hate for trfel post iamp wants to lynch bh as his policy no change in between for me, no mention of BH ever again that I can see and now is voting Ace????????? the fuck is this filter, it's so scummy | ||
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the perfect info point is interesting. When i had my come back came 12months ago, i relished to defend you when the town was against you. thats how i got caugth, cos i had teh last minute vote flip and rels was like WTF. + Show Spoiler [HF on jock] + On March 08 2019 07:45 Holyflare wrote: Guess I'll get one with my reads thing: Jockmcplop No read on Trfel Essentially gives a reason for Trfel not to be scum This vote doesn't make sense in the slightest. He doesn't have a read on Trfel, says a reason for him not to be mafia and votes Trfel because other people have reads on him. Town reads me at some point. No mention of BH No mention of BH No mention of BH BH was kept alive because he was interesting but BH never featured in any reads list he posted. Thinks BH is town with nothing in between? Questions BH, says it's a ballsy play as scum and then: scum reads BH don't get me wrong, it's all true but it still seems a bit of a weird 180 when BH hasn't done anything new that he hadn't been already doing seems like a pretty big scum read on BH but then says he doesn't know who to vote for and maybe vote for Ace?????????? (who is also another good pick for mafia but it's just a weird thought process when you think BH is mafia???) Conclusion: Says a lot of stuff that appeals to me but it's his first game, he's got a 100% town read on me after meta reading?????? (read his filter with regards to me and thinking my alignment is town through the read and you'll become suspicious) and scum reads BH and is unsure of who to vote? Honestly if you read his filter it looks like he's playing with perfect info and knows alignments of people when he talks about them but I feel bad because he's also defending me and I like the guy. | ||
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On March 08 2019 07:57 WaveofShadow wrote: yep and thats what most townies do under pressureHf I feel like so much of what you've done is based on whether people are defending you or what their reads of the unflipped BH are. focus on anything to do with them. | ||
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On March 08 2019 08:01 Blazinghand wrote: This is a strong possibility.Ok, it's my final hour, and I'm here from now to the end. there's a certain humor to actively trying to get lycnhed D1, and it not happening, and complaining that HF didn't do it D1 so he made it happen today, heh. This possibility (wasting D2 lynching me) was why HF didn't shoot me and instead shot Palmar btw. In a sense, I'm glad to be going in an hour. This game was too large to read when I arrived in it, and it hasn't gotten any easier to read since then. Any questions for me? Barring some serious shenannies I'm about to be modconfirmed town so let me know warning: I will not read the whole thread or whatever, but i'll give thoughts on specific events Going back n forth with QT and thread. hmmmmmm. | ||
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On March 08 2019 09:21 darthfoley wrote: hmmmmmWhat if it's a HF/Sent team and they nutted on Palmar by taking the mayor lynch away then killed him? That would be epic levels of swagdom i need to mull on this + BH theory combined. should HF have dropped his sentinel read to go onto palmar. Both of them are finicky for policy again rules. should HF have dropped his read on me from N1. excellent point. | ||
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On March 08 2019 11:05 kitaman27 wrote: That was obviousWave was making a boxing joke if it wasn't clear. I will refrain from laughter from now on. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evander_Holyfield_vs._Mike_Tyson_II but it was a joke in relation to ace commetning about vig availability. | ||
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On March 08 2019 11:30 WaveofShadow wrote: yeah, the worst part about LS is that its Ace who started calling HF holyfield like 48hrs agoMan people really sucking the fun out of this game. | ||
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On March 08 2019 12:58 LightningStrike wrote: Why would it. the game is going to plan...But on a more serious note Ace seeing that it was Town vs Town flip on Day 1 does that change anything for you at all? | ||
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Knowing damn well multiple cycles and therefore multiple townies will die to execute that plan Perfect alibi | ||
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On March 08 2019 18:11 sicklucker wrote: I get that ryan thinks acro is mafia. I personally think that is kind of unlikely and hes a likely candidate for a nk tbh. but its one thing for rayn to barely care about anything else in the thread. LIke killing between bh/hf (he thought hf was town but didnt bother voting bh) I cant think of any of his reads. also stop making bad posts wos tell me what I did wrong or dont post at all. wasted thread we have like 140 pages of wasted thread Yeah I observed the samw thing about rayn Its not enough to lynch tomorrow so meh.. | ||
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On March 08 2019 19:33 Acrofales wrote: +1Hmmm. Fecalfeast is the strongest scumfeel from the filters I read today. He's been around. He has been "helpful" and has the completely unconcerned feel of a scummer who knows his buddies are all safe. Add this to the "bid" he did for mayor, knowing he'd never get elected and use it all of D1 to do effectively nothing. GG. | ||
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On March 09 2019 08:21 Holyflare wrote: If there is actually a vig, please actually shoot me. I realise I'm holding up the game and allowing mafia to essentially waste all their time scum reading me so it's only beneficial to. Roger U or ace? I want out | ||
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On March 09 2019 09:29 Mocsta wrote: ##Vote: Acrofales Where is the missing KP.. because scum conveniently chose to shoot Damdred as well. Probably a cover up for shooting at ace armor + Rayn dead.. all he was going to do is fire away at Acro. He said it himself. My vote is sticking her 48hrs. No ifs and buts. | ||
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On March 09 2019 09:13 Tumblewood wrote: .....interestingoh whoops, i meant to post my celebration of killing town in my scum QT, not here + Show Spoiler + yes i killed BC | ||
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On March 09 2019 09:20 Holyflare wrote: lolI'm a thread cop that gets the exact wording of someone's role as they say it. My special power is the quote function. A1 DELIVERY | ||
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I am lynching one of acro / tumblewood At face value it would be tumblewood Will think about it more later Dunno what tumble position on bc was all game I still think ace 3p BC | ||
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Activity requurement lol Hmmm I need to read last posts before eon Never heard of such a role Again Did tumbleweed even read bc as scum Pfft Feel free to lynch me too I barely play on weekends Carw factoe pretty low right now | ||
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On March 09 2019 10:31 Ace wrote: trueAlso BC was Scum RB. He isn't killing one of the best scum roles for Town cred. Mmmm. Good point. So obvious when its written in front of u ##UNVOTE | ||
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On March 09 2019 11:33 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: good post. Written as matter of factBoth wagons were town. I don't think just from the votes you can make any inference about where the scum are. Scum know who HF is. If he's one of them it doesn't really matter who the mayor is between him and Palmar to scum because a townie gets lynched either way. If he's town it doesn't matter either but scum would have to take him at his word that he wants to lynch Palmar. Even if he did follow through on the BH lynch that's also a townie. Concerning.. | ||
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If town has delayed role Lurker vig Delayed vig Backup cop Scum needs compensation Im concerned about rels role Who did he mason n2? At first i assumed he was a JOAT hence why i immediately wrote off tumbelweed But now im thinking rels is a scum delay role | ||
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On March 09 2019 11:52 Ace wrote: lucky parity is only explanationI'm thinking a cop has investigated HF by now and hasn't gotten a scum result so feels no need to claim. Lucky being the second read is a flipped townie | ||
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On March 09 2019 11:54 LightningStrike wrote: because its written like a guy going on his first date who didnt warm up before handWhy you think the bolded out of curiosity? My vibe reading that is its like a post game summary | ||
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Need to do a reread My recollection of 315p is probably not as accurate as i think Stupid me thinking i coukd be a nk Will truly stop posting now | ||
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On March 09 2019 18:08 Fecalfeast wrote: so u r saying scum shot damdred?acro is scum, ace is scum, LS is scum | ||
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On March 10 2019 17:55 Tictock wrote: ok noted.Your whole opening position of lynching into Vig claims is just a stupid bad plan for town, I can't believe that would be a town!Mocsta suggestion. The way you two interacted in thread felt off to me as well, it was far too buddy-buddy with you two practically slapping each others backs and being in very much so the same head-space. Friendly tip Read day2 between me and ace Perhaps just filter dive me Prob page 3 to 5 will cover it I would be shocked if u advocate the same position. | ||
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1. Town atmosphere is restablishing since most active town is dead. Its interesting seeing people (e.g sicklucker and sentinel and onegu) start shouting a lynch direction. There is scum in that pile. 2. I have other priorities on weekend so care factor is low. At this point. I fewl strongly there is enough flips to warrant a reread. i k ow 300p of painful.. im procrastinating obviously but thats my goal before eon. Who wilk i lynch this cycle? Will make up my mind when i wake. 1hr from deadline. Im leaning towards chez but it would be purely policy and laziness. | ||
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On March 10 2019 18:22 Tictock wrote: I should prob do filters at some point. Besides that I will never actually go back and read anything I have missed this game. That just sounds like a terrible use of my time. I'd much rather if you could just convince me you are town from this point onward. Think I'm going to need to call it a night, I knew about daylights but somehow missed the connection that that meant I was gunna loose an hour of sleep (or just that staying up late was a bad idea). What is this bullshit Ur scum read on me s based on completely false data points I gave u a hall pass and said to read 3 pages. Im ur fucking scum read and u cant be bothered... Total bullshit anf quite scummy | ||
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On March 11 2019 06:34 Ace wrote: Honestly, I hve been thinking Acro is scum this cycle.I think Sentinel is definitely the lynch for today. Sicklucker, he hasn't softclaimed cop. Sentinel can not be a cop in this instance regarding me. If he was, he'd tell all of us he found me red and go on with his day. These 2 posts should give anyone pause: He has a town read on me yesterday. Now has a scum read on tick tock. Votes me. And will explain later? After the lynch when I flip town huh? Unless Sentinel is a cop trying to 2 for 1 and heavily believing I must be scum but has a red check on Tick Tock this makes no sense. Palmar wanting to lynch him, Scum voting HF to get Palmar lynched looks like a plausible idea of how Day 1 mayor played out. But I want to move on to something a bit more damning. I know I weighed the Town down Day 2 with my HF push. Somehow this ignores my overwhelming reasons for why BH had to be town and was a bad lynch but people will believe what they want. I mistakenly dropped my scum read on BC and tunneled HF till it was too late. So cool - we're all on the same page to how I messed up. Now it seems I'm up for lynch because to some "I'm not Town enough".While I think outside of inactivity I haven't destroyed anything to be miscast this way, I'll do a bit of work. First: 2 vigis + day vigi. One of them being an anti-lurk mechanism. Again, I know this is no longer considered a normal game. But it's bugging me. I also highly doubt we have only 1 active investigation role. Mafia has 3 KP AND a roleblocker. It doesn't take much for Mafia to counter town PRs in general, but that much KP when we've also seen a Vet flip in addition to a role blocker. They can mow through anyone (coming back to this in a bit) and yet we've only seen 1 doc and 1 cop flip. But we have that much town aligned KP, one of which based on mechanics could end up targeting only Town aligned players? Something is off. I might just be over reacting because no one has claimed any kind of investigation and it's Day 3 but I had to let it be known. Second: I screwed up Day 2 not really looking into the NK. But the Night 2 kills do help us clear something up. Town vigis shoot damdred and BC. Mafia shoot rsoul/rayn/WoS. We know for a fact that anti-town KP is sitting at 3 (SK possibility). Go back to Night 1. We now know there was a scum roleblocker in BC. Some combination of 2 KP hit iamperfection or he was RB + shot. Either way it shows a concerted effort to get this guy out of the game. Here are his posts referencing people as Scum on Day 1 that are sill alive: Onegu Vivax Now of these 2 Vivax would be my best guess. Partially because my Day 1/2 had me pushing HF, and I ended up Townreading BC and Vivax out of confirmation bias. BC flipped scum. Vivax flipping scum for "agreeing" with my arguments wouldn't be surprising at all. However, there's a 3rd player that's really, really confusing. And of course, iamp's only vote Now this is where things are pretty crazy. There are 3 things that may be purely circumstance that paint Acro as scum. 1.) Iamp's posts and vote. Of course he was town in retrospect, but I really do believe he died for being correct about someone. The only thing that saves Acro imo is Scum having 4 conditional KP is wild. He could instead be 3rd party but let's put that on the backburner for now. 2.) On Day 2 someone asked me to read their case on Acro. I didn't find it convincing but I do faintly remember it being spoken about by others. Specifically I think it was rayne who asked me to comment on it but I didn't. Acro being anti-town and wanting them dead isn't out of the realm of possibility. 3.) That role claim. I just can't get around it existing in that form if it possibly end up targeting only Town players. One of chez/Pandain would have to be scum if his role is true. And I'd expect Acro to push one super hard off the damdred flip. It could be purely circumstance that Acro falls into the puzzle like this but I doubt it. And reading his posts Day 2 and Day 3 they don't really scream scum that hard. Tricky shit :D So what am I to do? I think my choices are down to Acro, Sentinel as the top 2. Vivax, Onegu needing a bit more looking through. I doubt I'll get any of them lynched as it's late into the day. But I think this is reason enough to scrutinize Acro more going forward. I think Sentinel is the most probable to flip scum at this moment and that's where my vote is going. Yes I know I can vote Chez to save myself, but Brown nation doesn't eat it's own ##Vote Sentinel I thought he cooled off like me to reassess, but to see him come in the past 12hrs and try to push stuff in such a different tone. I could lynch him for sure. .. Btw, who was going to push him again all D3.. Rayn. Like literally, no one else. Im not keen on lynching Ace at all. Hes either town or 3P. 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On March 11 2019 06:42 Tictock wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Sentinel Jumping in closer to EoD than I'd like, but I like this lynch much better than where we were. Also realized while digesting thoughts on the game that I was giving Rels a town pass far too easily, and need to dig into things more before I can be in anyway confident with a read on him. Right... your voting the wagon that has BOTH of your other scum reads on it Ace + Mocsta fuck me. how are you meant to read you when you do this bullshit? | ||
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On March 11 2019 06:48 Ace wrote: Sexy post!No I get that part. What I'm saying is if only Townies satisfy the condition, you end up in a situation where a Pro-Town role is aiming KP at only Town. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel (10): Pandain, Grackaroni, Mocsta, Ace, Ticktock, Acrofales, LightningStrike, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood, Meapak_Ziphh Ace (7): Oatsmaster, Rels, Jockmcplop, Chezinu, [UoN]Sentinel, darthfoley, Vivax Chezinu (4): Alakaslam, Fecalfeast, Onegu, sicklucker ExO_ and Tubesock have been warned for failure to vote. If I give acro a hallpass for being on the wagon of truth - pretty cool wagon color! I put Ex0 as town cos I really cant see someone doing that to his team (i.e. no voting (Maybe twice warned?)) I would consider him as last scum he continues to disappear though. | ||
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On March 11 2019 08:12 Rels wrote: the one time I've played with one, it worked as followed: they win with mafia but don't know who the mafia team is and vice versa. Yeah, appears to be similar https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Traitor Sigh, so scum could legit vote Sentinel as a townie too.. sigh | ||
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On March 11 2019 08:09 kitaman27 wrote: [UoN]Sentinel the Mafia Traitor has been lynched. (Wins with mafia. Is not informed of the identities of the mafia team.) | ||
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On March 11 2019 08:17 sicklucker wrote: u speak facts, br0interesting tho. he didnt know who mafia was. maybe mafia knew who he was but I doubt it. kind of back to where we were really amirite! | ||
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hmmm, its going to be an interesting NK selection Surely some of these vigs (=confirmed town) have to be taken care of. Also, some of these bombs should be going off.. Megadeath galore?!?!?1 | ||
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On March 11 2019 08:21 Acrofales wrote: hmmm, i assume mafia *may* know a traitor exists and thats it.From the role PM I think Mafia knew about sentinel, and sentinel knew he was scum. The only thing he didn't know was who his teammates were. Given his D1 fears of TMI it almost seems as if the role was custom made for him. This was a good lynch. The only reason i think they woudl know is for KP delivery. Thats wher im at for now at least. | ||
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On March 11 2019 08:22 Onegu wrote: This is cheating....and you know it.Are mafia aware of him? As in do they know there is a traitor, and if they do know there is a traitor do they know who he is? Q to host when game started Terrible. I would like a modkill personally as I think you're scum | ||
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Dead Town = Green Alive with claim = Blue (My only edit was changing Day2 AMG vote to "Pandain") Day One final Vote Count Mayor Holyflare (16): Tubesock, Holyflare, rsoultin, Ace, Mr. Wiggles, Jockmcplop, Mocsta, [UoN]Sentinel, Pandain, sicklucker, raynpelikoneet, Fecalfeast, ediamperfection, Damdred, ExO_, Trfel Palmar (12): Palmar, Ticktock, Meapak_Zipphh, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Conversion, Alakaslam, LightningStrike, Vivax, BloodyC0bbler, Acrofales, Blazinghand iamperfection (4): darthfoley, Tumblewood, Koshi, Oatsmaster Chezinu (1):Chezinu Onegu (1): Onegu rsoultin (1): Rels Not Voting (0): Lynch Trfel (11): Tubesock, sicklucker, [UoN]Sentinel, Koshi, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood,Fecalfeast, Jockmcplop, Acrofales, Vivax, Conversion Blazinghand (10): Holyflare, Grackaroni, iamperfection, Oatsmaster, WaveOfShadow, raynpelikoneet, Trfel, rsoultin, ExO_, LightningStrike Conversion (3): Mocsta, Alakaslam, darthfoley Acrofales (2): Damdred, Tictock iamperfection (2): BloodyC0bbler, Blazinghand Koshi (1): Ace Fecalfeast (1): Pandain Grackaroni (1): Meapak_Ziphh LightningStrike (1): Rels [UoN]Sentinel (1): Chezinu rsoultin (1): Onegu Mr. Wiggles (1): Palmar Day Two final Vote Count Blazinghand (13): Mr. Wiggles, Rels, Holyflare, [UoN]Sentinel, rsoultin, Pandain, Mocsta, LightningStrike, WaveofShadow, Tictock, Tubesock, ExO_, Tumblewood Holyflare (9): Blazinghand, sicklucker, BloodyC0bbler, Alakaslam, Oatsmaster, Ace, darthfoley, Acrofales, Vivax Acrofales (2): raynpelikoneet, Fecalfeast Ace (1): Jockmcplop rsoultin (1): Onegu [UoN]Sentinel (1): Grackaroni, Mr. Wiggles (1): Meapak_Ziphh Not voting (2): Damdred, Chezinu Day Three final Vote Count [UoN]Sentinel (10): Pandain, Grackaroni, Mocsta, Ace, Ticktock, Acrofales, LightningStrike, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood, Meapak_Ziphh Ace (7): Oatsmaster, Rels, Jockmcplop, Chezinu, [UoN]Sentinel, darthfoley, Vivax Chezinu (4): Alakaslam, Fecalfeast, Onegu, sicklucker Not voting (2): ExO_, Tubesock | ||
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On March 11 2019 08:39 Onegu wrote: This works in reverse tooWhat scum did you lynch>? The traitor that scum would have thought they were lynching town? What scum did *YOU* lynch. | ||
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On March 11 2019 08:43 Vivax wrote: At first glance I thought it was plausibleThis seems plausible. If Rels picks a townie, it's a new qt. If Rels picks the traitor, he gets access to the mafia qt. He picked tina N1 cause idk, and apparently rayn N2 maybe because of this post. But what is tehre to recruit? This only makes sense, if selection of Sentinel grants access to special poewr If so, you would think mafia would mason him N1 or N2. With knowledge of a traitor, its pretty obvious it was sentinel, no? | ||
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On March 11 2019 08:50 Vivax wrote: Thank youMocsta you are one scummy fuck I try my best | ||
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I was reading through the mafiascum roles, to see if dayvig can ever be a town role. Unfortunately, it says vig in general is pro-town, hwoever, i do know on this site, dayvig is normally mafia. Anyhow, I also noticed strongman. which could be anotehr explanation fro iamp death. | ||
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On March 03 2019 05:15 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I'd like to survive long enough to figure out my role so I'm going to disagree with the Sentinel Policy Lynch On March 03 2019 06:00 Oatsmaster wrote: This is interesting btw and well proceeds the wiggles quote on lightningstrike.3rd part=y You could argue why post in thread, go straight to QT to say "found the traitor" just, its an interesting thought process early D1 when we all assuming its a closed normal. | ||
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(1) When i broke the quote out for ease of reading, I noticed Acro is commenting on lurkers. (See blue in underline) At face value this looks good, but then, i thought, WAIT SEC, Acro is the lurker vig If im in his shoes, and know I can shoot people with 5 posts or less, I really dont think I would bite onto this, let alone focus so much on lurkers D1. If anything, that RESTRICTS YOU FROM SHOOTING THEM! This is very dissonant from the claim. (2) The part is red with Ace is a placeholder note to myself. I dont recall Acro paying Ace much attention, so i was surprised to see that. On March 03 2019 02:10 Ace wrote: I think we should nominate someone who has barely posted yet as Mayor. There are a lot of thoughts already posted that could help us draw conclusions based on conversations. Giving a semi-lurking/lurking player lynch power and forcing them into the game seems like a good move to me. So a player like Tumblewood or tubesock should be nominated (they've barely posted from a cursory filter check). On March 03 2019 06:14 Acrofales wrote: Why the fuck would you want to do this. I was planning to sheep you all game and you come up with an utter garbage plan?! Non-posters are either not playing the game and don't have an opinion of their own. Hell, they might not even send in the lynch. Or they're scum and lynch a townie. Are you scum, or just not thinking?! Ace, you're disappointing me On March 03 2019 06:17 Oatsmaster wrote: Nice giving him an out Acro, gj supporting your teammate | ||
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On March 11 2019 09:35 LightningStrike wrote: Can you walk me through that pls?Next gem btw Oats is likely town like I said Day 1 lol. now 99% sure he is town on that. I started reading oats cos i wanted to see his progression from wanting HF dead on Day2, to leading ace wagon on day3 (who wanted HF dead). | ||
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On March 03 2019 09:38 Palmar wrote: Oh wait we have a mayor thing. I am running for mayor On March 03 2019 09:42 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Who would you lynch and why On March 03 2019 09:43 Oatsmaster wrote: You are actually a muppet On March 03 2019 09:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I'm still waiting for a less idiotic take on HF On March 03 2019 09:51 Oatsmaster wrote: Because he’s oh so townie or what? On March 03 2019 09:52 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Because in my eyes you haven't supplied nearly enough evidence to call him hard red in order for me to believe he's hard red On March 03 2019 15:34 Oatsmaster wrote: Wait so you think that I might be right? But I just need to work a little harder? So what part of my take is idiotic? Because if you thought my take was idiotic then you clearly think hf is town. But you don’t. Soooo I will say this, it doesnt read like Oats is talking to Sentinel as if he knows hes the traitor (i.e. follow up from 3P quote). | ||
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On March 04 2019 12:16 Oatsmaster wrote: This is interesting because Oats is doing exactly what Rayn accused acro of NOT DOING.logical doesnt necessarily mean town though, especially of Sent is town. Why is this a town read Palmar? Pushing your scum read to the mayor candidate. damn... im really starting to consider an acro lynch is best wagon for d4 | ||
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On March 05 2019 02:44 Oatsmaster wrote: LOLI dropped hf for now because He’s gonna dig his own hole later if he’s mafia and if he’s town he gets shot so win win #WISDOM Only, it didnt pan out as you meant lol | ||
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On March 04 2019 06:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Voted Holyflare as mayor. Of the people running he has clearly stated what he is going to do and thus if he doesn't you can hold him accountable. Hes also given far more content to look at than the other front runner. On March 04 2019 12:30 Oatsmaster wrote: This doesnt read as scum to scumHey BC, so lets say HF is mafia and lynches Sent who is whatever alignment, how does that help us figure out Holyflare's alignment? It seems to me like you want to vote for HF not because hes town necessarily, but that the Mayoral vote can help us confirm his alignment. Can you explain that further? Later we get this: On March 05 2019 02:25 Oatsmaster wrote: [.. Responder to Acro case on iamp] Cobbler's one (or two?) posts at the time seemed solidly townie, but there just wasn't enough content. How is this a problem? This lines up quite well with Oats world. After reading rest of his filter, he does say (to me actually) after HF dies, he woudl go to Ace. Oats is back in my town circle, pretty consistent filter and I love his Day1. I really struggle to see a scummer jump between things so much, and then lock down on something (i.e. Acro). I didnt understand why he dropped his read on acro, but I suspect its probably more to do with the HF debacle. so meh. moving onto BC filter now. | ||
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On March 02 2019 20:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Gut feeling, this makes me think Chez is town.As I said before. I have night continental shifts so my activity this weekend will be sporadic. Current reads that matter. Rsoultin Iamperfection Chezinu Now to go into the why. Iamperfection has literally done nothing so far this game thus far. He accused chez for posting to post while providing next to - content in his own posts. The one post he makes where he outlines a "read" he doesn't go into it at all then back burners it to harass someone for not playing at the level he wants. I also hate people who talk about what any power role should do day 1 (actively talking about vig shots) as that leads to the potential of power roles outing themself to be sniped by mafia. Rsoultin. The guy accuses a player (Chezinu) of posting fluff rp posts that provide no content. This post specifically screams at every core of my being. Chezinu is a known quantity to RP in mafia games. Hes literally done it in some capacity in basically every game I can remember playing in with him. He always provides some form of content in said posts. He has literally given reads on players, and has been providing actual content without RP for a fucking change. Chez has clearly been doing more to push some form of conversation on players to force them to voice opinions. Clearly done more to help this game than most to this point. Yes the guy has had some shit posts, but hes also playing the game seriously. My theory is this: BC didnt want to lie about 3 alignments - I really think most ppl playing scum want to avoid this and so, we know iamp and rsoultin already.... He knew Chez was town; has that old-boy familiarity. So this lines up quite well with "stretching the legs and warming up". After all, its been a while since he played scum i assume? Thoughts? | ||
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is he that type of guy to chainsaw defend? hmmmm. I will have to reread his stuff with HF. Will leave that above post as null for now. | ||
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On March 02 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: This gives me some town vibes on Vivax.To also add on to Vivax's point about conversion as a point of context. As Mafia I have more than once bussed my team so that when I died people would ignore all my analysis / reads of who I thought was mafia and pick people I avoided talking about etc... Its led to more wins than it ever should have. Causing chaos / a nice cover for your team is never playing against your win con if you are mafia. Also he said he wanted to lynch Trfel for lying then proceeded to lie himself -_- Mainly because hes riding on Vivax coattails, so when the mislynch happens, its vivax. This is not a beneficial scum to scum comment in my opinion. | ||
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my thoughts are (1) Chez is town (2) Ace is not mafia (No idea if town though) + Show Spoiler [BC notes] + On March 02 2019 20:58 rsoultin wrote: What are your reads that don't matter BC? On March 02 2019 21:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Why the hell would I post a read that doesnt matter? If i don't have someone directly pinned as green/red they are neutral until a) I have time to filter dive them and get a better idea of a read b) They do something that pushes them one way or the other. Talking about my "42%" chance to be scum read as an example serves basically no fucking point. On March 02 2019 21:06 rsoultin wrote: lol you sound angry. So we're your only reads. Cool. Would have expected that rather than 'only important' reads, but whatevs. When you get some more I might be able to make a judgement call on you beyond we clearly do not see the game the same way. And, to be fair, I get why people aren't townreading Iam but whatever I'm gonna be the hipster. I can also see you not getting the nuances I'm talking about with Chez. I can even perhaps see me either being wrong on Chez's contributions even while trolling. So the only real thing you've given me is being pretty defensive for seemingly no reason when I just asked you a question. On March 02 2019 21:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote: TBH I am a fairly aggressive player. I tend to sound angry all the time or sound like an asshole. Its how I've more or less always played / argued. And yes as of the moment those are the reads I can say id commit to based on what I've been provided. Catching up on 16 pages of content after a 12 hour shift sucks. BC filter dosent give me that much concrete to work with; so kudos to him. I still think he used Chez as a legit platform to launch into iamp. I base this on him going after HF later on, whilst sticking with his iamp read coupled with this post: On March 03 2019 02:49 Alakaslam wrote: None has a deeper nostalgia, a wider memory, a greater appropriateness for this game. I scumread chezinu but I want him the last member alive. He has earned that distinction. On March 03 2019 05:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I just dont see BC sticking up for Chezinui like this. Ironicaly, I can see him calling out Slam like this. Its just a gut feeling based on his personality style.Explain this jesus fuck. I do not care that Slam says he is low hanging fruit. The guy literally just said this is my scum read but im not going to lynch him. At first I thought BC was coaching scum!acro because of the end bit. But I thought about it more, and BC seems to actually want sentinel dead - probably assumed he was town. Because of the vindiction and the delivery of "honestly.. bad townie" I struggle to see this as scum to scum interaction - so big town points to acro. On March 04 2019 06:17 Acrofales wrote: I'm here and caught up. There's a few posts in specific that I want to respond to, but in general: 1. Iamp is an idiot. He makes a case on me every game and it's always really bad. I will respond in more detail when I get to it, but his whole case is dumb. For starters, neither sicklucker nor oats are lurkers. Moreover, I quite obviously excluded the real lurkers. I want to kill the people who are popping into the thread, not contributing and fucking off. Not the people who weren't here at all. Iamp wanting to lynch me for dumb shit isn't new, and he's always wrong. He eats out of my hand when I'm scum and wants to lynch me when I'm town. And this is all I remember about him from 5 years ago. It's always fun. I'll decide later whether this was a scummy push, though. He hasn't done much of use other than his "case" on me, whcih he started before I had even gotten into this thread proper. Anyway, I don't think he is a good lynch target for D1. He usually starts to see the light eventually when he's town, and if he isn't, we can kill him tomorrow. Better stuff to do today. 2. No longer want to kill Sent. But the reason Palmar gets the votes is because he was clear and concise about his aims, whereas HF had many different goals. Now that sent claims he read his PM, and has actually started playing a bit, I don't think he's a good kill anymore. @Palmar: do you still plan on murdering sent? 3. I'm still quite happy with Palmar for mayor, his posts have been townie enough for me and I trust him to find scum a lot more than I do HF. 4. Lets lynch Oats. I'm on board with damdred, but he promised to contribute in 10 mins, so I'll give him until then. Oats has given no sign he has read the thread beyond looking for stuff to troll and throw out random names. Grackaroni has managed to look a bt more townie in his posts today. He pulled himself together and he is totally buddying me and I'm falling for it. Deal with it. On March 04 2019 06:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote: What the fuck is this post. I honestly for most of this time thought you were just a bad townie but like the fuck is this shit? You don't want to kill the policy lynch in a few hours because the guy claims to have read his pm then aside from one post has done dick fuck all. You then say you want Palmar as mayor over HF because you trust Palmar over HF to find mafia. Why? What reason do you have that Palmar will do a better job. Also to iterate what other people have said. HF wants to lynch Oats just like you do..... for fuck sakes dude. This on the other hand I dunno how to read its so buddy buddy. I cant tell if its BC walking on eggshells around ace or two scum-buddies awkwardly exchanging. Given, ace immediately called out BC, im actually leaning towards eggshells (i.e. ace comes out with town lean due to thsi) On March 05 2019 08:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Simple Ace. I just finished my long week of work and have shit availability for it. When I went to bed things hadn't flipped to what they were when I woke up. Clearly at that point I need to come in and attempt to stop or at least weigh in on events I disagree with? Hell you have been around all day and have barely weighed in on anything yet have parked your vote on HF. Why do you want Palmar offed? What was it about his play that made you believe he is scum given that you haven't said why you believe it. The next cycle we get: On March 06 2019 18:43 Mocsta wrote: whats ur read on ace He calls u scumclobber On March 06 2019 18:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Again, at first im thinking hes protecting ace, they are both scum.TBH I think he looks like shit. But I tend to have a hard time reading Ace and usually want to off him because his scum play fucked me hard ages ago. As I am pre disposed to always killing him I am giving him into today to give me more to work with. but i think abuot it more and go. is BC that type of guy. I suspect hes more fearful to lynch Ace due to fallout from the mislynch; or doesnt feel confident he has anything scummy to say about him (i.e. cant push with conviction) -> which goes again to supportinv chez is town because he needed that as a platform to push iamp/rsoultin. | ||
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I agree acro is in a weird position. The role is odd, and the way hes played teh game I think is odd with the role. However, BC has an interesting interaction wtih Acro that I forgot to list in my BC summary - which I give town points for. Why do you list Chez as the fake claim, over FF? What am I missing? Also, why is the dayvig logical for town? Im not actually trying to shit on pandain as confirmed town here, i just have a couple points i need to process (1) Leading a lynch on sentinel is not necessarily a towntell, because mafia may not have even known there was a traitor (2) Shooting HF, may have been a way to score some free town cred. The problem i have with the dayvig role is how AMG played the game; however, i can see it probably leans towards town. Because if mafia, he has a QT telling him who to shoot, and all he has to do is read a filter adn become proficient in that. If town, I can see him taking it as big responsibility. I dunno, the whole thing is weird. I have talked myself into leaning it town, if not confirmed town for PoE. Perhaps revisit if hes there at end game. so scrap q on dayvig. | ||
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On March 11 2019 12:11 LightningStrike wrote: I'll be honest I am extremely happy about Sent's flip being scum since it give us more breathing room. Hopefully we find our 2nd scum. Can you my thoughts on BC filter on this page pls Agree/Disagree/neutral? | ||
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On March 11 2019 12:24 Tictock wrote: You're a moronHumm, I noted this post to use to look at votes. But then I'm noticing that Mocsta colored FF blue, but left Chez black.... Honestly I think my reads haven't changed that much from my last list post if I am correct that Mafia and Traitor are both unaware. Expect I am a bit more sus of Onegu and SL... Mocsta and Ace still just feel like scum buddies for reasons I'm not sure I can explain. They just seem to be taking the exact same approach and and spending a lot of effort calling claims into question. Its a big undertaking with BBcode and not hard to change.. I also missed on with pandain on day1. | ||
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Dead Scum = Red Dead Town = Green Alive with claim = Blue (My only edit was changing Day2 AMG vote to "Pandain") Day One final Vote Count Mayor Holyflare (16): Tubesock, Holyflare, rsoultin, Ace, Mr. Wiggles, Jockmcplop, Mocsta, [UoN]Sentinel, Pandain, sicklucker, raynpelikoneet, Fecalfeast, ediamperfection, Damdred, ExO_, Trfel Palmar (12): Palmar, Ticktock, Meapak_Zipphh, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Conversion, Alakaslam, LightningStrike, Vivax, BloodyC0bbler, Acrofales, Blazinghand iamperfection (4): darthfoley, Tumblewood, Koshi, Oatsmaster Chezinu (1):Chezinu Onegu (1): Onegu rsoultin (1): Rels Not Voting (0): Lynch Trfel (11): Tubesock, sicklucker, [UoN]Sentinel, Koshi, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood,Fecalfeast, Jockmcplop, Acrofales, Vivax, Conversion Blazinghand (10): Holyflare, Grackaroni, iamperfection, Oatsmaster, WaveOfShadow, raynpelikoneet, Trfel, rsoultin, ExO_, LightningStrike Conversion (3): Mocsta, Alakaslam, darthfoley Acrofales (2): Damdred, Tictock iamperfection (2): BloodyC0bbler, Blazinghand Koshi (1): Ace Fecalfeast (1): Pandain Grackaroni (1): Meapak_Ziphh LightningStrike (1): Rels [UoN]Sentinel (1): Chezinu rsoultin (1): Onegu Mr. Wiggles (1): Palmar Day Two final Vote Count Blazinghand (13): Mr. Wiggles, Rels, Holyflare, [UoN]Sentinel, rsoultin, Pandain, Mocsta, LightningStrike, WaveofShadow, Tictock, Tubesock, ExO_, Tumblewood Holyflare (9): Blazinghand, sicklucker, BloodyC0bbler, Alakaslam, Oatsmaster, Ace, darthfoley, Acrofales, Vivax Acrofales (2): raynpelikoneet, Fecalfeast Ace (1): Jockmcplop rsoultin (1): Onegu [UoN]Sentinel (1): Grackaroni, Mr. Wiggles (1): Meapak_Ziphh Not voting (2): Damdred, Chezinu Day Three final Vote Count [UoN]Sentinel (10): Pandain, Grackaroni, Mocsta, Ace, Ticktock, Acrofales, LightningStrike, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood, Meapak_Ziphh Ace (7): Oatsmaster, Rels, Jockmcplop, Chezinu, [UoN]Sentinel, darthfoley, Vivax Chezinu (4): Alakaslam, Fecalfeast, Onegu, sicklucker Not voting (2): ExO_, Tubesock | ||
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its on previous page. On March 11 2019 12:17 Mocsta wrote: Can you my thoughts on BC filter on this page pls Agree/Disagree/neutral? | ||
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On March 11 2019 12:41 Tictock wrote: So do you disagree or neutral?Nothing you said impressed me nor made any impact. I did think it was interesting you filtered Oats first then BC, but meh. Pretty much a bunch of disjointed WIFOM you posted imo. | ||
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On March 11 2019 13:04 Chezinu wrote: Wtf role si this?Dear doctors and medics, Do not protect me. My death will lead to more information... That is only if I die at night. Ace is an amazing investigator. Caution: bombs can eliminate players that visit the player with the bomb when it goes off. | ||
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Otherwise, their powerroles get fucked over majorly. I dont recall kitaman using those mechanics suss... | ||
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I would contest its a scum-favoured role. Even if the entire scum team did not vote *OR* posted less than 5 times. There would probably be a higher total of townies that are also eligible. Thats the beauty, it sounds so good at face value. If it was this great, TL would have implemented the role as a deterrent yonks ago. Anyhow, if you wouldnt use it to influence your read, where do you currently stand on acro? | ||
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On March 11 2019 13:56 Tictock wrote: How convenient....I think Meap or Wiggles would be fantastic follow up lynches tomorrow. For sure one if not both of them are mafia. I think lynching into role claims from D3 is always a bad move when there are plenty of better lynches decent pool of players to pick from outside of those. I thought about doing some filters, but think I ran out of gumption, and would rather see where we are at D4. | ||
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A lurker vig only makes sense as a pro-town role if the role itself is KNOWN/DECLARED; otherwise, there is no actual threat to lurkers -> defeating the purpose of the role. With the way the game unfolded, the town!lurker vig is essentially a handicapped vig. "Ohh look, I could only shoot town" -> how convenient.... | ||
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On March 11 2019 20:53 Acrofales wrote: this is fairCould have saved, but I was expecting to die. Was quite surprised I didn't. I thought u before rayn | ||
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On March 11 2019 20:59 Acrofales wrote: dqmdred wasnt a bad shotAs for why damdred, here's where I look at what I thought of the 3 guys I could shoot in N2: Heck i thibk i even asked for it Its mainly i woulda shot chez over damdred. Meh. | ||
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Im a bit confused abkut tictock Your quote and analysis doesnt marry with the conclusion? What makes him town? | ||
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Nice reply That bit makes sense. Although i was asking about ticktock In the quotes u analyse his play as weird. Maybe town. Mahbe not. In thr conclusion he was put as likely town Im wondering what part of the analysis drew u towards a more definite town read.thanks | ||
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On March 12 2019 00:27 Acrofales wrote: I seeWell, TT (and LS) only gets town points if scum knows sentinel is one of them. In that case, I don't see a reason for TT to swap wagons. I guess if Ace is a power role, and they chat about it in the QT and decide to bus the fuck out of sentinel to save ace's butt? But then you'd think TT would come in with something more forceful than his super hesitant stuff. So TT being so non-committal about his voteswitch makes sense for scum only if they think sentinel is town. According to the TL database; the traitor role has been used 23 times; but from what i gathered, some games have had multiple traitors, and they all seem to be "OLD-SKOOL" games Here are a few extracts. I want to see if the scum team is notified Insane Mafia Mafia Broadcaster Traitor Killed Night 5 - 2x traitor, no setup notification. Role PM suggest mafia team were not notified, as both traitors are 3P and can talk to each other from D3 onwards. OK, so this was a waste of time.. sigh | ||
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You had super townie defense. Shame we never got to play other than this one. | ||
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GG TT - thanks for making the time to play, we all know your personal situation is tough. Good luck with it | ||
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Dead Scum = Red (PowerRole = Underline) Dead Town = Green (PowerRole = Underline) Alive with claim = Blue (My only edit was changing Day2 AMG vote to "Pandain") Day One final Vote Count Mayor Holyflare (16): Tubesock, Holyflare, rsoultin, Ace, Mr. Wiggles, Jockmcplop, Mocsta, [UoN]Sentinel, Pandain, sicklucker, raynpelikoneet, Fecalfeast, iamperfection, Damdred, ExO_, Trfel Palmar (12): Palmar, Ticktock, Meapak_Zipphh, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Conversion, Alakaslam, LightningStrike, Vivax, BloodyC0bbler, Acrofales, Blazinghand iamperfection (4): darthfoley, Tumblewood, Koshi, Oatsmaster Chezinu (1):Chezinu Onegu (1): Onegu rsoultin (1): Rels Not Voting (0): Lynch Trfel (11): Tubesock, sicklucker, [UoN]Sentinel, Koshi, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood,Fecalfeast, Jockmcplop, Acrofales, Vivax, Conversion Blazinghand (10): Holyflare, Grackaroni, iamperfection, Oatsmaster, WaveOfShadow, raynpelikoneet, Trfel, rsoultin, ExO_, LightningStrike Conversion (3): Mocsta, Alakaslam, darthfoley Acrofales (2): Damdred, Tictock iamperfection (2): BloodyC0bbler, Blazinghand Koshi (1): Ace Fecalfeast (1): Pandain Grackaroni (1): Meapak_Ziphh LightningStrike (1): Rels [UoN]Sentinel (1): Chezinu rsoultin (1): Onegu Mr. Wiggles (1): Palmar Day Two final Vote Count Blazinghand (13): Mr. Wiggles, Rels, Holyflare, [UoN]Sentinel, rsoultin, Pandain, Mocsta, LightningStrike, WaveofShadow, Tictock, Tubesock, ExO_, Tumblewood Holyflare (9): Blazinghand, sicklucker, BloodyC0bbler, Alakaslam, Oatsmaster, Ace, darthfoley, Acrofales, Vivax Acrofales (2): raynpelikoneet, Fecalfeast Ace (1): Jockmcplop rsoultin (1): Onegu [UoN]Sentinel (1): Grackaroni, Mr. Wiggles (1): Meapak_Ziphh Not voting (2): Damdred, Chezinu Day Three final Vote Count [UoN]Sentinel (10): Pandain, Grackaroni, Mocsta, Ace, Ticktock, Acrofales, LightningStrike, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood, Meapak_Ziphh Ace (7): Oatsmaster, Rels, Jockmcplop, Chezinu, [UoN]Sentinel, darthfoley, Vivax Chezinu (4): Alakaslam, Fecalfeast, Onegu, sicklucker Not voting (2): ExO_, Tubesock | ||
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On March 12 2019 03:54 Vivax wrote: I think Tubesock is highly suspicious just for the fact that nobody, and I mean literally nobody IIRC, has brought him up for lynch. On March 12 2019 03:54 Vivax wrote: It's like he doesn't exist, he's in that sweet blind lurker spot. On March 12 2019 03:55 Vivax wrote: Yeah this is legit. I completely forgot about him as well.If I were mafia against a town Tubesock, I'd push the living shit out of him provided I'd actually be posting as mafia. ##Vote: Tubesock | ||
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On March 12 2019 04:59 Pandain wrote: This is a good point actually and it may be the balance to the traitor insertion.Fuck busy again tonight. Can't do a last post but if I die slam and onegu need to be next lynches. Grack I saw your post but meta tells like that are shit compared to actual analyses. Any good player can change their meta, and honestly people can't read meta for shit. Slam has two huge scum tells. He voted for HF and then later pushed HF for lynching palmar(extremely hypocritical and makes sense from mafia perspective). And he also, despite being very active most times, was completely "gone" during the sentinel lynch, and "convienantly" just showed up five minutes after. Yeah right. Lynch this guy. Onegu has just been scummy this whole game, pushing me for absolutely no reason (like actually none. His reason was because of a misunderstanding of acros role later shown to he false. But onegu never backtracked. And he too convienantly afked during sentinel lynch. Also I can't do analysis because g2g but his whole filter is pretty bad. If ace ever lives past night 4 he's 100% scum. Acro is town I think. Don't agree with aces analysis at all. It's not anti town mechanic because he wasn't forced to shoot anyone. Yeah tubesock/df/slam/onegu should be the lynch options today. No need to challenge FF/chez yet with those 4. | ||
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or town/3P KP for 1? | ||
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mainly commenting on theory speculation stuff; no concrete direction. Cheesy town read on BH too. Its a good filter in the sense that, its hard to pinpoint whats precisely scummy without reading it in context of the game events at the time. i.e. its TOO CLEAN. Im definitely OK with this lynch. As an aside, if hes scum, i think it clears Jock + Oats as town. Mainly with how he interacts about them to the thread. | ||
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On March 12 2019 09:06 Fecalfeast wrote: why thank youi would sheep mocsta to TS but only mocsta cant tell if you being sarcastic though | ||
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On March 12 2019 11:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I was wondering who was going to use this to push agendaPandain not dead after his shot is scummy as fuck to me. Same with Acro. Why was Ace killed ahead of them? There was also plenty of people willing to kill him today. I feel like he was right about something the rest of the thread hadn't bought into so i gotta reread his filter. hmmm MZ gets scum points | ||
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On March 12 2019 12:43 LightningStrike wrote: yeah, just annoying really.The TT kill makes me wonder if Mafia is trying to leave WIFOM at max levels if both MZ and Wiggles are town here. He wasn't scumread by anyone really but he didn't have much presence either. Hmmm. when i have done kills like that, I took out low hanging-fruit because I wanted keep infighting at play. Im a bit confused then, cos who are they expecting to infight? The only other thing that makes sense to me is they seeking to keep discussion around the amoutn of blue claims. So FF/Chez/Acro/Rels/Pandain | ||
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On March 12 2019 15:44 Jockmcplop wrote: Gamestate, tumbleweed makes sense as confirmed town.Hi everyone. I should be back and posting more today. My brain is no longer a hazy fog of dense wet sadness. Can someone explain to me why the NKs are weird this time? I'm not quote following the logic. Thanks Ace and ticktock are the weird ones, because ticktock was a number with low pull; and ace was potentially lynchable. He did get 7 votes after all. Why ace > Rels for example. | ||
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Three points for you: (1) I already addressed all of HF points, thats the best that case will get from me. (2) HF didnt scum read me when he died. (3) Im sorry for lying to you: I said you were town I would read your filter and I never did. My vote is sticking on tubesock. As a sidenote, Im pretty disappointed with myself this game. In the sense, I know I need to re-read because my context for the game unfolding is completely skewed. Too much has happened and its been over a week now. I just cant push myself to do it. The page count is so daunting, its just easier for me to be present here in the live thread. But its a waste of time for all of us. Rant over. Maybe I will read Day1 today. I never actually read the first 50 or so pages. | ||
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DAmn the guy hasnt posted in 3-4 days https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?user=ExO_&view=all Anyways, I actually think hes town - to my surprise. Hes got a clear "lone wolf" vibe about him. His focus is quite narrow, which makes sense for his committment to the game, and the progression is very natural. He said hes VT, and I agree. | ||
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2 scummers dead = 1KP reduction N1 = Cop, Vet, VT Claims: Nil Scum KP: Max (3 or 4) Option 1 = 4KP (Scum) - 2shots on Iamp Option 2 = 3KP (Scum) - RB on iamp Option 3 = 3KP (Scum) + 1KP (3P) - Scum + 3P shoot iamp [b]N2 = VT, VT, VT, VT, RB[b/] Claims: Lurker Vig, Delayed Vig Scum KP: Max (3 or 4) Option 1 = 3KP (Scum) + 1KP (Lurker Vig) + 1KP (Delayed Vig) Option 2 = 4KP (Scum) + 1KP (Delayed Vig) Option 3 = 3KP (Scum) + 1KP (Delayed Vig) + 1KP (3P) D3 = VT Claims: Dayvig N3 = Ace, Vig, VT Scum KP: Max -1 (2 or 3) Claims: Nil Option 1 = 3KP (Scum) Option 2 = 2KP Scum) + 1KP (3P) Analysing N3 If option 1 applies (3KP), then, scum had 4KP on N1 + N2; OR a 3P is in play. No matter what, Acro lurker vig claim is false. If option 2 applies (2KP), then scum had 3KP on N1 + N2 AND a 3P is in play. No matter what, Acro lurker vig claim is false. ???!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?? | ||
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p.s. you look so diff to what i imagined lol. but im not going to go there. | ||
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Did I fuck something up? Or did acro fuck something up? | ||
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On March 13 2019 08:53 Vivax wrote: Thanks for responding.First of all I think that traitor doesn't count towards total KP until recruited cause that'd be unfair towards scum. Then I don't think it's that unlikely for town to have 4 KP. Serial killer is a possibility but then I think he might have held his shot tonight for the sake of not letting that possibility seem likely. There is some gross assumptions here though (1) That traitor is "recruited". I get the mason link, but then we should automatically be lynching Rels, no? (2) None of the TLMafia Traitor role pm I looked at required recruitment (3) 3P held his shot is also an assumption. Im not used to that being a possibility. Have you come across this on TL? I can consider a world where traitor doesnt count towards KP. So in that world, if scum team is uneven (i.e 7) then the BC flip would not alter KP. This is weird though because traitor takes it up to 8. Which seems too muich -> maybe that gives viability towards extra town KP though? A scum team of 5 + traitor seems a bit small too? Seems a bit loose for 8 scum + heaps of town blue.. Even if one last hurrah??? | ||
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On March 13 2019 08:58 Fecalfeast wrote: I dunno. you should explore that thought with a psychologist. pretty sick progressino I know I townread mocsta and stuff but why does that read to me like he's scum who doesn't understand the KP either and wants to fish out more blue claims? | ||
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On March 13 2019 09:01 Fecalfeast wrote: I dont get why you are writing this off so blatantly.I rescind my previous statement and instead will say Setuo speculation in a game already deemed abnormal by the majority of players who care about that sort of thing is a fruitless endeavor as we could very well be in a legitimate bastard game and not even know it There is a clear out n out lie or missing puzzle piece. | ||
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On March 13 2019 09:03 LightningStrike wrote: But the point is how Acro fits in with the KP??there 19 people left alive so unless we got 1 3rd party and about 4-5 maybe 6 mafia's left then than 3 kp total does make some sense. That just a stab trying to make sense of the kp. | ||
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On March 13 2019 09:07 Fecalfeast wrote: Fine,Maybe I misunderstand your case. I will reread it because I don't see any lies that aren't only made to be lies based on speculation about the setup of the game. I will do a deeper math exploration in excel then. I will look into the case vivax proposed, that only BC counted as a lynch and did not impact KP. | ||
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Firstly, I tried to be as thorough as I could with options however, I refuse to analyse a world where scum start with 2KP. I rarely see KP rounded UP, but it is included for the sake of discussion. I also think the traitor leads to two distinct outcomes. (1) Traitor always counts towards scum KP -> Mason could be town (2) Traitor recruited before adding to scum KP -> Mason must be scum As I mentioned to Vivax, I havent seen an active recruitment of traitor before, so i think this is unlikely, but is included for sake of discussion. In short: The game doesnt make sense if scum start with 4KP; unless there is missing KP claim.(e.g. hatter bomb) Otherwise, the game had to play out as 2 shots on iamp, and scum + lurker vig or 3P to both shoot damdred -> highly unlikely. In the world with scum starting with 3KP There are a few options that work, pending round up, round down, 3P, no 3P. In my mind, KP is normally rounded down and the traitor would count to scum KP. Thats just what I would expect from a balance point of view as an observer. Nothing to do with how the game has planned out. In that scenario, the most likely arrangement is: That a 3P exists OR there is another batch of missing KP (e.g. a second hatter bomb) ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/OwzyYnk.jpg) | ||
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PoE could also be scum qt reference lol welcome to the wagon of truth | ||
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Dont throw ya vote away | ||
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On March 13 2019 12:51 Fecalfeast wrote: I disagreeThe only thing is that a veteran claim stinks and we're basically resigning to having chezinu until the very last day who could easily be turned on and lynched if he really is town idk Im ABSOLUTELY certain scum have been issued vet role before it actually fits with mass town vig | ||
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man ts or chez.both equally good i dont care more. easy lynch | ||
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On March 13 2019 13:00 Fecalfeast wrote: nopeDo you care about a supposed unbroken town seal gamebreaking tell mocsta? coag broke it | ||
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I still want tubesock out for ego stroking purposes. but yeah, not really fussed between the two. | ||
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On March 13 2019 18:12 Acrofales wrote: Zzzzzzzz zzzzzzzz But it's still better than the silent treatment before you came in. Lol I will pay that I actually wish i didnt sign up I forgot what a timesink this game is Disgusting how so many of uus can sit here and press But struggle to reread from scratch Must be painful for obsqt Heading off Enjoy solitude Pls shoot me tonighr | ||
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On March 14 2019 08:13 Acrofales wrote: This is taking long last minute votes | ||
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Dead Scum = Red (PowerRole = Underline) Dead Town = Green (PowerRole = Underline) Alive with claim = Blue (My only edit was changing Day2 AMG vote to "Pandain") Day One final Vote Count Mayor Holyflare (16): Tubesock, Holyflare, rsoultin, Ace, Mr. Wiggles, Jockmcplop, Mocsta, [UoN]Sentinel, Pandain, sicklucker, raynpelikoneet, Fecalfeast, iamperfection, Damdred, ExO_, Trfel Palmar (12): Palmar, Ticktock, Meapak_Zipphh, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Conversion, Alakaslam, LightningStrike, Vivax, BloodyC0bbler, Acrofales, Blazinghand iamperfection (4): darthfoley, Tumblewood, Koshi, Oatsmaster Chezinu (1):Chezinu Onegu (1): Onegu rsoultin (1): Rels Not Voting (0): Lynch Trfel (11): Tubesock, sicklucker, [UoN]Sentinel, Koshi, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood,Fecalfeast, Jockmcplop, Acrofales, Vivax, Conversion Blazinghand (10): Holyflare, Grackaroni, iamperfection, Oatsmaster, WaveOfShadow, raynpelikoneet, Trfel, rsoultin, ExO_, LightningStrike Conversion (3): Mocsta, Alakaslam, darthfoley Acrofales (2): Damdred, Tictock iamperfection (2): BloodyC0bbler, Blazinghand Koshi (1): Ace Fecalfeast (1): Pandain Grackaroni (1): Meapak_Ziphh LightningStrike (1): Rels [UoN]Sentinel (1): Chezinu rsoultin (1): Onegu Mr. Wiggles (1): Palmar Day Two final Vote Count Blazinghand (13): Mr. Wiggles, Rels, Holyflare, [UoN]Sentinel, rsoultin, Pandain, Mocsta, LightningStrike, WaveofShadow, Tictock, Tubesock, ExO_, Tumblewood Holyflare (9): Blazinghand, sicklucker, BloodyC0bbler, Alakaslam, Oatsmaster, Ace, darthfoley, Acrofales, Vivax Acrofales (2): raynpelikoneet, Fecalfeast Ace (1): Jockmcplop rsoultin (1): Onegu [UoN]Sentinel (1): Grackaroni, Mr. Wiggles (1): Meapak_Ziphh Not voting (2): Damdred, Chezinu Day Three final Vote Count [UoN]Sentinel (10): Pandain, Grackaroni, Mocsta, Ace, Ticktock, Acrofales, LightningStrike, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood, Meapak_Ziphh Ace (7): Oatsmaster, Rels, Jockmcplop, Chezinu, [UoN]Sentinel, darthfoley, Vivax Chezinu (4): Alakaslam, Fecalfeast, Onegu, sicklucker Not voting (2): ExO_, Tubesock Day Four Final Vote Count Chezinu (7): Onegu, Rels, sicklucker, darthfoley, Grackaroni, LighningStrike, Vivax Tubesock (7): Mocsta, Mr. Wiggles, Jockmcplop, Chezinu, Fecalfeast, Acrofales, Alakaslam Onegu (3): Meapak_Ziphh, ExO_, Pandain Meapak_Ziphh (1): Oatsmaster Oatsmaster (1): tubesock | ||
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Is there a reason sicklucker is town? | ||
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On March 14 2019 06:32 sicklucker wrote: yuckyOnegu been scuking up to me pretty hard which does tingle my spine but I find it hard to believe hes the best lynch with all his dumb tells which mgiht be hard to fake. Oh well at least if he flips town i get nked | ||
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On March 14 2019 08:37 LightningStrike wrote: 403 pages in this gameHe called himself mafia in his first post and never done that as scum? and your reason to townread someone halfway through is solely their first post. wtf did i get myself into... | ||
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the claim of a 2nd vet is SO FUCKN STUPID and outrageous it had to be true the problem is, once you set that precedence i can finally tell you who i parity checked. | ||
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On March 14 2019 11:20 LightningStrike wrote: I think this is true.I took some time off I think it was TvT for Tubesock vs Chez which makes me sad. It kinda shitty but we have to deal with it. The wagon save was for Onegu. The votes were close enough he was a possible shenanigan risk. | ||
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On March 14 2019 11:21 LightningStrike wrote: LOLFYI Rels is not going to return till tomorrow I believe he feeling very demotivated from what he told me in the qt due to chez's flip. funny.. doesnt he have to mason someone else? hes playing this game so weird.. whose doing most of the game solving in the qt? i.e. whose putting original thought in, and who is listening/responding? | ||
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On March 14 2019 11:25 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Faithful listener LightningStrike calls in: What's making you change your mind on TS? I don't like how TS rolled over at the end, and unlike some others, I don't believe it's necessarily a town tell. For me that's not alignment-indicative, so I think the previous case still stands. Im also weighing in with Chez town read on tubesock I dunno where I sit trusting anything out of acro mouth, but chez I can + he locked onto sentinel DAy1. | ||
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On March 14 2019 12:08 LightningStrike wrote: I mean this respectfully, you may feel that, but its rarely 50/50I told him who I want him to mason up already. We both share the duty on who putting original thought in and stuff. Rels posted logs before so i assume you can as well i suggest you check with hosts and post before night end. If hes feeding off you, and planting seeds - very scummy. | ||
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i cant believe this Lurker vig has been issued on TL before. wtf (I actually got onto this from MZ "responsiblilty mafia" - I havnt filter dived, but im curious now what his position on lurker vig is, since he knew it was a legit possibility) As for pandain, i dont like how much he is riding on the dayvig confirmed town status thing, but i think thats more likely to come from town. One flawed point raised for the record is the TL database has 26 instances of day vig role. Its roughly 50/50 split between town and scum. I think you're town on how you are playing the game - but need to stop citing role as evidence. Its not. So if I update my read pool: Day One Final Vote Count - TRFEL + PALMAR Mayor Holyfare (16): Tubesock, Holyfare, rsoultin, ace, Mr. Wiggles, Jockmcplop, Mocsta, [UoN]Sentinel, Pandain, sicklucker, raynpeliokneet, Fecalfeast, iamperfection, damdred, ExO_, trfel palmar (12): palmar, tictock, Meapak_Zipphh, waveofshadow, Grackaroni, conversion, Alakaslam, LightningStrike, Vivax, BloodyC0bbler, ACROFALES, blazinghand iamperfection (4): darthfoley, Tumblewood, koshi, Oatsmaster Chezinu (1):Chezinu Onegu (1): Onegu rsoultin (1): Rels Lynch trfel (11): Tubesock, sicklucker, [UoN]Sentinel, koshi, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood, Fecalfeast, Jockmcplop, ACROFALES, Vivax, conversion blazinghand (10): Holyfare, Grackaroni, iamperfection, Oatsmaster, waveofshadow, raynpeliokneet, trfel, rsoultin, ExO_, LightningStrike conversion (3): Mocsta, Alakaslam, darthfoley ACROFALES (2): damdred, tictock iamperfection (2): BloodyC0bbler, blazinghand koshi (1): ace Fecalfeast (1): PANDAIN Grackaroni (1): Meapak_Ziphh LightningStrike (1): Rels [UoN]Sentinel (1): Chezinu rsoultin (1): Onegu Mr. Wiggles (1): palmar Day Two Final Vote Count - BLAZINGHAND blazinghand (13): Mr. Wiggles, Rels, Holyfare, [UoN]Sentinel, rsoultin, PANDAIN, Mocsta, LightningStrike, waveofshadow, tictock, Tubesock, ExO_, Tumblewood Holyfare (9): blazinghand, sicklucker, BloodyC0bbler, Alakaslam, Oatsmaster, ace, darthfoley, ACROFALES, Vivax ACROFALES (2): raynpeliokneet, Fecalfeast ace (1): Jockmcplop rsoultin (1): Onegu [UoN]Sentinel (1): Grackaroni, Mr. Wiggles (1): Meapak_Ziphh Not voting (2): damdred, Chezinu Day Three Final Vote Count - [UoN]Sentinel [UoN]Sentinel (10): PANDAIN, Grackaroni, Mocsta, ace, tictock, ACROFALES, LightningStrike, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood, Meapak_Ziphh ace (7): Oatsmaster, Rels, Jockmcplop, Chezinu, [UoN]Sentinel, darthfoley, Vivax Chezinu (4): Alakaslam, Fecalfeast, Onegu, sicklucker Not voting (2): ExO_, Tubesock Day Four Final Vote Count - Chezinu Chezinu (7): Onegu, Rels, sicklucker, darthfoley, Grackaroni, LighningStrike, Vivax Tubesock (7): Mocsta, Mr. Wiggles, Jockmcplop, Chezinu, Fecalfeast, ACROFALES, Alakaslam Onegu (3): Meapak_Ziphh, ExO_, PANDAIN Meapak_Ziphh (1): Oatsmaster Oatsmaster (1): tubesock | ||
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If Tube + Chez is TvT Oats vote doesnt bode well On March 14 2019 06:19 Oatsmaster wrote: I think we just lynch mz here Clearly was here before lynch Clearly his vote wasnt going to change the outcome between TS/Chez | ||
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This is just a gut feel dump of where I stand with remaining player count in My care factor is pretty low and I cant be bothered re-reading the game. Its pretty annoying that I still wake up to 10 pages and majority of it is what I surmise as "policy discussion". Yes, Im contributing to that shitpool too. I get it and am disgusted at myself. I never read the first 50 pages of the game, and stopped reading critically after day2 lynch. The game needs to migrate towards what Acro did with Chez claim. That was incredible. Absolutely outstanding, and even before the lynch, you could see Chez broke out of character to congratulate out of shock. At least one of Acro/Pandain has to be shot tonight. One thing to consider is that Fecalfeast lost his bomb due to the chez lynch. So unfortunately there is no incentive for scum to shoot him. This will be an interesting point as we get closer to MYLO. I assume next cycle isnt lylo? + Show Spoiler [reads] + Onegu- I can only recall him focused on reads and semantics. Very one-track focused. Probably scum. Fecalfeast - I dont remember anything about this guy other than the claim. Odd thing to fake and took the "roleplay" with chez seriously. I would only consider scum at lylo. LightningStrike - Again, i dont remember anything this guy has said. Like a constantly available puppy dog waiting to be fed. Has to be town. Oatsmaster - Had a strong Day1 and has completely faded. Unlike me, has not cited the game size and progression as a deterrent. Very bullish when comes back in, not working with town even though not a key contributor. I find that scummy. I would seriously consider a lynch as maybe 2nd or 3rd scum option. sicklucker - Again, I cant remember a single thing about this guy. I think hes posting a lot but i just cant recall what his focus is. I would be fucked if LYLO was sl/ff/me. Acrofales-I believe the claim. He really stepped up this Day cycle. I will give it to him. That chez piece was beautiful. Im dropping the 3P thing altogether. Jockmcplop-Strong Day1+2 town read. Tapered off Day3/4, and I think this drop off is exhaustion and confusion similar to my own. Just the way he explained it, I really resonated with. Ride or Die for me. ExO_-Im sticking with my lone wolf play. Its interesting. Him and oats are doing a similar thing so why am i townreading exo and not oats. I think its because exo is still playing within the boundaries of thread sentiment which I think is more likely to be town lone wolf. Oats is just completely out of sync with game state. Vivax-Im trusting the flipped townies here. Rayn/rsuoltin etc. i stopped reading him yonks ago. Grackaroni-I thought was town Day1/2. I dont think his push on me is scum setting up a mislynch. he probably believes it. I should read his day1/day2 stuff in detail like i promised. I cant remember much other than he picked up on some really good off-beat stuff. "hipster" town tubesock-Following read from Chez + Acro. Pandain-Is trying too hard for scum +all this confirmed town shit just draws attention to him being shot. I could revisit at LYLO, but frankly, I would be shocked if he got there darthfoley-I had to pause before choosing null or red. If i could distill DF this game. hes saying things that feel good, but is ending up in shit places. I think thats pretty scummy. Mocsta-dduhhhhh Meapak_Ziphh-Again, I cant remember anything about this guy. He seems to come in and bark at thread sentiment but not doing anything to change it. Mr. Wiggles-My weakest of town reads. Dunno, about this. Again, I cant remmeber shit about his vote progressions. Seems to be a recurring theme. Game is too big. Seems to be an older / more mature version of Lightning Strike in the sense of puppy dog waiting to be fed. A town point in his favour is that the posting frequency and tone has been consistent. Alakaslam-Another ball of nothingness. Is always posting but i dont see a purpose. Also, I dont think he was getting horny over Chez like he normally does. Scum to town could be an explanation Rels-When I think of Rels, I think, wasted opportunity. Everything seems to be limp. I dunno how much of this could be IRL. I dont think his submissive as scum, so could be explained by other factors. I dunno. In short Town Circle: FF, LS, Acro, Jock, ExO, Vivax, Grack, TS, Pandain, Wiggles) Null Circle: SL, Rels Scum Circle: Onegu, Oats, DF, MZ, Slam I didnt end up at that breakdown trying to find a scum team of 7. Those are jsut the ppl that intuitively came to me as scummy. | ||
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On March 14 2019 13:00 LightningStrike wrote: Cos Pandain made it publicMocsta didn't you claim a parity check on someone earlier? | ||
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I will update the vote count with my read Scum = Sentinel, BC + ONEGU, Oats, DF, MZ, Slam Day One Final Vote Count - trfel + palmar Mayor Holyfare (16): Tubesock, Holyfare, rsoultin, ace, Mr. Wiggles, Jockmcplop, Mocsta, [UoN]Sentinel, Pandain, sicklucker, raynpeliokneet, Fecalfeast, iamperfection, damdred, ExO_, trfel palmar (12): palmar, tictock, Meapak_Zipphh, waveofshadow, Grackaroni, conversion, ALAKASLAM, LightningStrike, Vivax, BloodyC0bbler, ACROFALES, blazinghand iamperfection (4): DARTHFOLEY, Tumblewood, koshi, OATSMASTER Chezinu (1):Chezinu ONEGU (1): ONEGU rsoultin (1): Rels Lynch trfel (11): Tubesock, sicklucker, [UoN]Sentinel, koshi, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood, Fecalfeast, Jockmcplop, ACROFALES, Vivax, conversion blazinghand (10): Holyfare, Grackaroni, iamperfection, OATSMASTER, waveofshadow, raynpeliokneet, trfel, rsoultin, ExO_, LightningStrike conversion (3): Mocsta, ALAKASLAM, DARTHFOLEY ACROFALES (2): damdred, tictock iamperfection (2): BloodyC0bbler, blazinghand koshi (1): ace Fecalfeast (1): PANDAIN Grackaroni (1): MEAPAK_ZIPHH LightningStrike (1): Rels [UoN]Sentinel (1): Chezinu rsoultin (1): ONEGU Mr. Wiggles (1): palmar Day Two Final Vote Count - BLAZINGHAND blazinghand (13): Mr. Wiggles, Rels, Holyfare, [UoN]Sentinel, rsoultin, PANDAIN, Mocsta, LightningStrike, waveofshadow, tictock, Tubesock, ExO_, Tumblewood Holyfare (9): blazinghand, sicklucker, BloodyC0bbler, ALAKASLAM, OATSMASTER, ace, DARTHFOLEY, ACROFALES, Vivax ACROFALES (2): raynpeliokneet, Fecalfeast ace (1): Jockmcplop rsoultin (1): ONEGU [UoN]Sentinel (1): Grackaroni, Mr. Wiggles (1): MEAPAK_ZIPHH Not voting (2): damdred, Chezinu Day Three Final Vote Count - [UoN]Sentinel [UoN]Sentinel (10): PANDAIN, Grackaroni, Mocsta, ace, tictock, ACROFALES, LightningStrike, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood, MEAPAK_ZIPHH ace (7): OATSMASTER, Rels, Jockmcplop, Chezinu, [UoN]Sentinel, DARTHFOLEY, Vivax Chezinu (4): ALAKASLAM, Fecalfeast, ONEGU, sicklucker Not voting (2): ExO_, Tubesock Day Four Final Vote Count - Chezinu Chezinu (7): ONEGU, Rels, sicklucker, DARTHFOLEY, Grackaroni, LighningStrike, Vivax Tubesock (7): Mocsta, Mr. Wiggles, Jockmcplop, Chezinu, Fecalfeast, ACROFALES, ALAKASLAM ONEGU (3): MEAPAK_ZIPHH, ExO_, PANDAIN MEAPAK_ZIPHH (1): OATSMASTER OATSMASTER (1): tubesock Ironically this makes some sense to me. Even Day2. Lynch HF first is justifiable as policy so its ok they bandwagoned. Sentinel is by himself as traitor. Nice. | ||
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I dont get what you are advocating; that you could have protected Onegu by voting TT or Chez? On March 12 2019 22:01 Dandel Ion wrote: Day Four Vote Count Tubesock (5): Mocsta, Fecalfeast, Mr. Wiggles, Alakaslam, Jockmcplop Chezinu (3): Onegu, Rels, sicklucker Maepak_Ziphh (2): Acrofales, LighningStrike darthfoley (1): Vivax Not voting (8): Oatsmaster, Chezinu, ExO_, Grackaroni, tubesock, Pandain, darthfoley, Maepak_Ziphh Tubesock is currently set to be lynched. This is vote count adjusted for the 3 votes before yours in that 5hr span. ~ 13 March 2019 02:30 Day Four Vote Count Tubesock (5): Mocsta, Fecalfeast, Mr. Wiggles, Alakaslam, Jockmcplop Chezinu (5): Onegu, Rels, sicklucker, tubesock, LS Maepak_Ziphh (2): Acrofales, oatsmaster darthfoley (1): Vivax Slam (1): Pandain Not voting (5): Chezinu, ExO_, Grackaroni, darthfoley, Maepak_Ziphh Tubesock is currently set to be lynched. This is vote count when you made that post (40min out from deadline) On March 14 2019 07:21 kitaman27 wrote: Day Four Vote Count Tubesock (7): Mocsta, Mr. Wiggles, Jockmcplop, Chezinu, LighningStrike, Vivax, Fecalfeast Onegu (5): Acrofales, Meapak_Ziphh, ExO_, Alakaslam, Pandain Chezinu (4): Onegu, Rels, sicklucker, darthfoley Meapak_Ziphh (2): Oatsmaster, Grackaroni Oatsmaster (1): tubesock Not voting (0): Tubesock is currently set to be lynched. | ||
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Who would you swap in that list with you? | ||
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Root cause for this shitty game of continual town v town Amazing job as traitor Playes it to perfection | ||
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Oats is scum because of how hard i had to try for him to comment on my scum case on ace He pretty much hedged as much as he could Onegu or oats tomorrow I dont care what order as long as they are the next 2 | ||
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My notes on him are legit Content reads good. Hes clearly not a muppet. Yet somehow his vote is always on worst option for town. Muppet vote and non muppet posts = scum Next 3 lynches Onegu / oatsmaster and then darthfoley | ||
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You are diluting your posts/filter going back/forth with Oats. All he is doing is countering by throwing the question back to you - pretty scummy. Getting you to argue against yourself WHERE IS HIS READS. blah blah blah | ||
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Why r u responding to oats then lol | ||
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I checked N1 Koshi N2 Holyflare N3 Tictock N4 darthfoley | ||
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##Vote: FF GG sl/grack/vivax | ||
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On March 15 2019 08:10 Acrofales wrote: correct@Mocsta: I'm confused. Didn't you claim you checked DF? ploy DF is scum. I dont need to check him. | ||
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Dead Scum = Red (PowerRole = Underline) Dead Town = Green (PowerRole = Underline) Alive with claim = Blue (My only edit was changing Day2 AMG vote to "Pandain") Day One final Vote Count Mayor Holyflare (16): Tubesock, Holyflare, rsoultin, Ace, Mr. Wiggles, Jockmcplop, Mocsta, [UoN]Sentinel, Pandain, sicklucker, raynpelikoneet, Fecalfeast, iamperfection, Damdred, ExO_, Trfel Palmar (12): Palmar, Ticktock, Meapak_Zipphh, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Conversion, Alakaslam, LightningStrike, Vivax, BloodyC0bbler, Acrofales, Blazinghand iamperfection (4): darthfoley, Tumblewood, Koshi, Oatsmaster Chezinu (1):Chezinu sicklucker (1): sicklucker rsoultin (1): Rels Not Voting (0): Lynch Trfel (11): Tubesock, sicklucker, [UoN]Sentinel, Koshi, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood,Fecalfeast, Jockmcplop, Acrofales, Vivax, Conversion Blazinghand (10): Holyflare, Grackaroni, iamperfection, Oatsmaster, WaveOfShadow, raynpelikoneet, Trfel, rsoultin, ExO_, LightningStrike Conversion (3): Mocsta, Alakaslam, darthfoley Acrofales (2): Damdred, Tictock iamperfection (2): BloodyC0bbler, Blazinghand Koshi (1): Ace Fecalfeast (1): Pandain Grackaroni (1): Meapak_Ziphh LightningStrike (1): Rels [UoN]Sentinel (1): Chezinu rsoultin (1): sicklucker Mr. Wiggles (1): Palmar Day Two final Vote Count Blazinghand (13): Mr. Wiggles, Rels, Holyflare, [UoN]Sentinel, rsoultin, Pandain, Mocsta, LightningStrike, WaveofShadow, Tictock, Tubesock, ExO_, Tumblewood Holyflare (9): Blazinghand, sicklucker, BloodyC0bbler, Alakaslam, Oatsmaster, Ace, darthfoley, Acrofales, Vivax Acrofales (2): raynpelikoneet, Fecalfeast Ace (1): Jockmcplop rsoultin (1): sicklucker [UoN]Sentinel (1): Grackaroni, Mr. Wiggles (1): Meapak_Ziphh Not voting (2): Damdred, Chezinu Day Three final Vote Count [UoN]Sentinel (10): Pandain, Grackaroni, Mocsta, Ace, Ticktock, Acrofales, LightningStrike, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood, Meapak_Ziphh Ace (7): Oatsmaster, Rels, Jockmcplop, Chezinu, [UoN]Sentinel, darthfoley, Vivax Chezinu (4): Alakaslam, Fecalfeast, sicklucker, sicklucker Not voting (2): ExO_, Tubesock Day Four Final Vote Count Chezinu (7): sicklucker, Rels, sicklucker, darthfoley, Grackaroni, LighningStrike, Vivax Tubesock (7): Mocsta, Mr. Wiggles, Jockmcplop, Chezinu, Fecalfeast, Acrofales, Alakaslam sicklucker (3): Meapak_Ziphh, ExO_, Pandain Meapak_Ziphh (1): Oatsmaster Oatsmaster (1): tubesock | ||
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On March 15 2019 08:17 Onegu wrote: not on there Sorry, my bad. wILL Redo | ||
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Dead Scum = Red (PowerRole = Underline) Dead Town = Green (PowerRole = Underline) Alive with claim = Blue (My only edit was changing Day2 AMG vote to "Pandain") Day One final Vote Count Mayor Holyflare (16): Tubesock, Holyflare, rsoultin, Ace, Mr. Wiggles, Jockmcplop, Mocsta, [UoN]Sentinel, Pandain, sicklucker, raynpelikoneet, Fecalfeast, iamperfection, Damdred, ExO_, Trfel Palmar (12): Palmar, Ticktock, Meapak_Zipphh, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Conversion, Alakaslam, LightningStrike, Vivax, BloodyC0bbler, Acrofales, Blazinghand iamperfection (4): darthfoley, Tumblewood, Koshi, Oatsmaster Chezinu (1):Chezinu Onegu (1): Onegu rsoultin (1): Rels Not Voting (0): Lynch Trfel (11): Tubesock, sicklucker, [UoN]Sentinel, Koshi, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood,Fecalfeast, Jockmcplop, Acrofales, Vivax, Conversion Blazinghand (10): Holyflare, Grackaroni, iamperfection, Oatsmaster, WaveOfShadow, raynpelikoneet, Trfel, rsoultin, ExO_, LightningStrike Conversion (3): Mocsta, Alakaslam, darthfoley Acrofales (2): Damdred, Tictock iamperfection (2): BloodyC0bbler, Blazinghand Koshi (1): Ace Fecalfeast (1): Pandain Grackaroni (1): Meapak_Ziphh LightningStrike (1): Rels [UoN]Sentinel (1): Chezinu rsoultin (1): Onegu Mr. Wiggles (1): Palmar Day Two final Vote Count Blazinghand (13): Mr. Wiggles, Rels, Holyflare, [UoN]Sentinel, rsoultin, Pandain, Mocsta, LightningStrike, WaveofShadow, Tictock, Tubesock, ExO_, Tumblewood Holyflare (9): Blazinghand, sicklucker, BloodyC0bbler, Alakaslam, Oatsmaster, Ace, darthfoley, Acrofales, Vivax Acrofales (2): raynpelikoneet, Fecalfeast Ace (1): Jockmcplop rsoultin (1): Onegu [UoN]Sentinel (1): Grackaroni, Mr. Wiggles (1): Meapak_Ziphh Not voting (2): Damdred, Chezinu Day Three final Vote Count [UoN]Sentinel (10): Pandain, Grackaroni, Mocsta, Ace, Ticktock, Acrofales, LightningStrike, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood, Meapak_Ziphh Ace (7): Oatsmaster, Rels, Jockmcplop, Chezinu, [UoN]Sentinel, darthfoley, Vivax Chezinu (4): Alakaslam, Fecalfeast, Onegu, sicklucker Not voting (2): ExO_, Tubesock Day Four Final Vote Count Chezinu (7): Onegu, Rels, sicklucker, darthfoley, Grackaroni, LighningStrike, Vivax Tubesock (7): Mocsta, Mr. Wiggles, Jockmcplop, Chezinu, Fecalfeast, Acrofales, Alakaslam Onegu (3): Meapak_Ziphh, ExO_, Pandain Meapak_Ziphh (1): Oatsmaster Oatsmaster (1): tubesock | ||
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On March 15 2019 08:24 LightningStrike wrote: dipshitOnegu is Black claim read the top of the quote fuck me you are a sheep. Nothing more than a sheep. Which shepherd will you follow this cycle? | ||
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On March 15 2019 08:34 LightningStrike wrote: I was just fucking with you chill lol....... On a more serious note do you think that the Sent wagon was pure or no? dunno if i can be bothered in the afternoon i will start a reread. I think bantering about these questions will not get us further. its more like. if i think mz is scum (i.e. sent wagon). go filter dive him. in the end its a FF lynch today so care factor is wavering. I also got to read your rels mason qt links One problem witrh Onegu claim is my recollection is led or was a starting momemtum for chezinu lynch. This dosent make sense to me as survivor. Why put nuts out on the line. | ||
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On March 15 2019 09:12 Fecalfeast wrote: patience br0It feels like every time I post there are multiple new posts between when i start writing my post and after I hit post but immediately afterward everyone is silent | ||
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obviously i didnt check you. i wanted to see some reactions but no one was here so all a bit fucked really hence why i didnt actually vote in the spot it counts. Maybe i was too obvious, dunno. im happy to read the game, but I would prefer to do it as a knowledge share (i.e thread mason). I have some odd thoughts right now, but I think my starting foundation is corrupted and/or forgotten. want to read day1 with me? im thinking I might skip through anyone dead, and just read alive ppl post to get a feel of when/where they chose to comment etc? | ||
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was waiiting for you bbygurl | ||
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On March 15 2019 09:51 LightningStrike wrote: does it actually matter?Is this a serious red check or you trolling like you did earlier with FF? do you see a redeeming quality? again non-muppet posts muppet votes is the most succinct distillation of DF over 430pages | ||
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i been working on my projects for 6months, with deadline to install in 5 weeks. I jsut got told now, its been pushed forward to monday. im sorry guys, im pretty much out - at least until i can get a better feel for how fucked i am im parking on DF. My N1-3 checks were as i said. | ||
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I found a 10min window to escape all the last-minute planning/chaos where i work. Here are my updated reads In short Strong Town:FF, LS, Acro, Pandain, Wiggles PoE Town: Jock, Exo_, TS Null Circle: Rels, Slam, Oats Scum Circle: Onegu, DF, MZ I think one of Exo/Oats is scum; but not both. I prefer Oats to Exo, but I am mindful that Acro thought Exo was scummier than me. Im not confident behind an Oats lynch as best choice (if its LYLO). I refuse to believe Onegu is survivor. Point 1 = The points pandain made on onegu, do not make sense as Survivor - yet thye happened. Point 2 = A survivor doesnt need to campaign. Just needs to join wagons, or start one. Onegu campaigned with Chez Point 3 = The timing issue Rels raised is legit. Town points to Rels if Onegu flips red MZ gotta be scum and if we cant get consensus between DF/Oats/Onegu; I think we should just all agree to vote MZ. Having said that, DF should be auto lynch.. Red check is icing on cake. | ||
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On March 15 2019 19:12 Acrofales wrote: wtf is this shitI wish this was my scumgame. I wouldn't be as worried about my reads flipping the wrong color. That's the main reason I don't trust mocsta, btw. With Grack and SL flipping town, there's scum hiding in my townreads. U gave me clear town read yesterday Pull ya head out Today is not about ego Its about lylo survival Do u think oats n exo can be scum together? If not. Oats cannot be the best lynch choice today. Again. This isnt ego Darthfoley has zero redeeming features. Absolutely zilch. Oats has exo | ||
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Day 1. = hf and palmar ego jerking Day2 = hf / acro ego jerking Day 3 = rayn ego Day 4 = onegu jerking off in thread Day 5 = acro wants to be a fuckn hero when its all on the line Fucks sake What a waste of 2 weeks Seriously Yelling lynch XYZ is not going to sway shit StOP IT | ||
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On March 15 2019 19:28 Jockmcplop wrote: exo and oats are both playing lone wolfSorry, explain to me like I'm a 5 year old what the connection between oats and exo is please! Thanks Exo is complete loner but is awarw of thread sentiment Oats is loner but seems to be out of sync The 2 styles are so different but same outcome (= loner) . I dont see both being scum. I thought it exo was town and oats scum night 4. But acro thought exo was scummy which made me reconsider if exo could be scum and oata is playing dumb town. Someone would have to meta dive oats and give a recent example of hom being dumb scum intentionally before i vote him in lylo with 15player pool. This is enough doubt to lynch df or onegu over oats in my opinion | ||
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I would rather we consolidate on a lynch early Im a bit concerned how little ppl have posted since deadline Lol pandain prob assumes he is dead ##unvote Vote: oatsmaster Good shit acro Night | ||
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Maybe 2hrs Btw pandain case is terrible U always check town read n1 High chance to flip for confidence in 2nd read | ||
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No way yown is this confident in any flips Lastly Pushing traitor is no reason to town read someone Ery suspect | ||
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On March 16 2019 12:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: This is what I call TMIOk i finally made it home. I think mocstas claim is wayyy too sloppy to be scum. I don't think this clears DF. I believe onegu's claim and I also believe we're at lylo so I'm not real impressed with the people who are pushing him rn. | ||
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On March 09 2019 06:53 rsoultin wrote: Lol >< yay for reads lists! \o/ LightningStrike Vivax Holyflare Acrofales Raynpelikoneet Mocsta Wave of Shadow Grackaroni sicklucker Oatsmaster - impression reads aren't advancing but not sure this will hold up after the filter dive I didn't do tictock Damdred Chezinu Alakaslam - not happy + what now he has to think cause he thought I had no scumreads? Mr. Wiggles Ace ExO_ Bloodycobbler Darthfoley Null-reads Onegu - no shiny hipster reads (scum) vs. so uncaring (town) Fecalfeast - seems to have lost interest Rels - pissed at me man -_- Dunno - would need to look at them closer Tumblewood Jockmcplop [UoN]Sentinel tubesock Pandain replaced by AMG Meapak_Ziphh *Anything that's changed I think I've added a comment to? Out for the night. We've got an early morning tomorrow. On March 09 2019 08:59 Oatsmaster wrote: I dunno if acro found this. but i think its an important postDarthfoley is actually the worst scumread I’ve seen ever what | ||
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On March 16 2019 12:29 darthfoley wrote: padawan its ok. all will be clear soonAnd yet you call me scum for having been wrong a lot this game. Just like everyone else in the game my PSA hopefully will be released in 20-30min pending internet speed | ||
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TL;DR I sheep my vote to Acro - He deserves this much for the only guy left giving a real shit about the game If this is it - Its been a bittersweet pleasure & I think Pandain + Rels are scum Im feeling much better about DF - I prob more wanted him to be scum, then I thought he was scum. | ||
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"im actually not even certain i would support a holyflare day lynch" so i will vig him | ||
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On March 16 2019 17:42 Fecalfeast wrote: wtf is this shityou are scum because you're alive day 5 after everyone just accepting your claim and accepting you as town. rayn was killed when he was being useless by tunneling on you mocsta is like fake cop claim in maybe lylo for funzies? lol ok I guess he's tryhard scum jockmcplop is in this game? Still managed to try and vote a controversial player who is the current wagon 1gu idk he's scum too pull ya head out you town read me 12 hrs ago you watched my video??? You know why i claimed. I did the video so you could have a better feel if you think im bullshitting or not why does this math apply to acro, and not pandain about being alive. You're the one with the worst claim in the game, so fuck off with us having to justify ourselves to you. Its actually the other way around, shit show. | ||
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On March 16 2019 17:46 Fecalfeast wrote: thats a fair callI have never and will never watch a video made by a player or honestly just posted at all. It's a text game I don't have time for your video i was actually considering doing video for rest of game, mainly a nice way to reminisce the final moments before the heart stops beating. but i accept your point of view. the tl;dr is that i claimed aiming to get some reactions. unfortunately everyone disappeared after the lynch so I was left with a pile of turd, and no one to develop it with. | ||
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On March 16 2019 17:46 Fecalfeast wrote: this could be true and im not gong to go into a he-said , she-saidI have never and will never watch a video made by a player or honestly just posted at all. It's a text game I don't have time for your video other than, when you and onegu were active after i posted teh video. the view count went up to 2 now.. MAYBE, it was an observer, dunon. im jus tpointing out an observation i am aware of. it doesnt matter. i tl;dr it anyway. | ||
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On March 16 2019 17:55 Fecalfeast wrote: i waited for the ppl i wanted to react.When you said you faked the check on me for a reaction I bought it but c'mon man you waited so long to say you fake claimed and honestly it didn't help town at all because certainly people who don't read the game properly like me would be confused if they didn't happen to read the parts I did. that took 24hrs with the timecycle difference; and then its saturday day. i was busy. That was the earliest I could release the video Im not sorry that spending time with my kids is more important than this game. | ||
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On March 16 2019 17:51 Acrofales wrote: its in there@mocsta: haven't watched your video yet. Do you explain your claim? If not, DO SO NOW!!!! its not relevant regardless P.S. i checked PANDAIN lol | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:14 Acrofales wrote: its in my videoI saw it. I thought it was a pretty bizarre defense of someone he hadn't mentioned before in the whole game. I think I wrote that in one of my many posts about Oats. What did you think was important about it? im conflicted on oats.. hes doing some things this cycle that I town read , I actually like he went and cased someone. I think a scummer would be inclined to just go fuck it. but its a struggle to articulate the thing is, his neck is on the line, so i also know i should treat the desire to survive as null (or at least base it on the quality of the case). Ironically, if hes doing his scum buddy, it could be a damn fine case. I thought the post was relevant in that a scum!oats world, i think this is a town read on DF. DF has a cool quiet confidence going about him which I town read. Hes not scared in the slightest - like a less funny ace I guess? Could be a psychopath, or could be town. I will be polite and choose town lol. As for oats, I think I talk about him slightly. I cant remember, All I know is, I think pandain play this cycle doesnt line up with town at all. Its quite non-sensical. I think all of us here in a panic are town, cos we dont know what the fuck is going on. The one-direction people which off the top of my head is Pandain / MZ / Rels , and yes, Oats, should be the focus. | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:50 Oatsmaster wrote: why does my opinion matter?stop the tunnel and just open your eyes acro. Mocsta, what do you think of the case? i thought you put me in scum category? | ||
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Oats tube one is sexy Kk I can sleep at ease tonight since i wake aftet deadline | ||
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On March 16 2019 20:57 Acrofales wrote: I dunno. I replace into a game I can't keep up with as town, I focus on what appears to be important at that moment: the two main wagons Spot on I joined at 50p balls deep into mayor campaign I went straight who vote count and why they leading | ||
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I just find it hard to accept lynching a guy with 10% chance to flip survivor when theres at least another 3 scummers Ironically i forgot i even scum read u. I was focused on pandain. I think exo and mz both look real shit for lack of presence this cycle Goijg to bed now. | ||
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Gg oats Im only up to 435 but oats seemed town as fuck. Felt likr blazonghand up for kynch all over again I get acro being tunneled thats ok The rest .. hmmm Whats the point Game is prob technically over bar a specific night action combo | ||
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On March 17 2019 05:53 Pandain wrote: Back for a little. Oats is not scum. Case on him is meta and bullshit. Wont do new filter dives but I think MZ is scum for reasons ive said before. Im cut i didnt push harder to lynch this guy Sigh Pandain / mz confirmed red flips | ||
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On March 17 2019 06:37 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Oats/DF/TS/Pandain is a good list of scum to lynch down to get us those few in a row we'll need. We'll need to look between Onegu, Jock, and Rels after that. Whichever one or two of those who are town need to step it up so that we can win. Acro/Mocsta/MZ/Me will be a good town circle to solve most of the game from before the end of the next night cycle, I think. Hopefully LS and FF come around to our side after Oats flips red Shit post I dont understand mindset to throw this ouy as either allignmrnt U hears it here first Wiggles is 3P lol | ||
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On March 17 2019 07:43 LightningStrike wrote: Anyone up for an Exo shannie? All he done this game just keep poping up EoD and not really do much. If only Woulda def done this | ||
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On March 17 2019 07:59 Onegu wrote: I doubt oats is scum but hey we wont lynch LS or Pandain... Yeah last 12hrs looked dirty for ls This is prob the scum team lol Ls panfain onegu and bc | ||
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I will feed the puppy Anyways rels was right and my vid got cut off Sigh Fuck this game 2weeks for this Exo is scum btw That much is confirmed Same with pandain Thats my strongest 2 reads jn this fecalfeast of a game Damm u holyflare! | ||
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On March 17 2019 12:35 ExO_ wrote: I'll tell you this much. I've done a really shitty job as Vanilla Town this game. But I AM Vanilla Town as I said at the start of the game. You can check my past game history, every time I've said I'm Vanilla Town I have been. Not once have I lied about this. If town has any hope of winning you should trust this much. And if Acro is scum I think we're SoL anyway. Lol Longest post in your filter? | ||
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On March 17 2019 13:30 LightningStrike wrote: I would like to point still that Onegu's comment about the traitor flip looks like total shit from yet NOONE WANTED TO LYNCH HIM STILL? WHAT KIND OF BULLSHIT ARE YOU GUYS ON CRACK COCAINE???????? knock it off if the game wasnt potential LYLO, onegu would have flipped last cycle you're being annoying now. | ||
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On the chance there it wasnt LYLo. Can you please shoot me. | ||
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Well earnt U can stop rubbing it in now | ||
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On March 17 2019 20:50 Pandain wrote: Hey if the game hasn't ended yet that means we still have a chance to win. If we can just take this one lynch at a time we can definitely finish this. Im inclined to town read u for this This is just so fuckn dirty to do before game over Everyone has diff morals but man thats a dark line to cross | ||
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It would have been nice to go out on a town victory but thats the way the cookie crumbled. This game reminded me of the joys to play mafia (the excitement and fluidity of Day1) , and the hatred! (the rest of the game). If this is it, I'm grateful I got to be a part of it all across 20-30 games in that amazing TL Database/compendium - Again, shout out to all those involved in making that happen. Incredible really. I won't be remembered as a particularly good player as town or scum, but I put effort in, found my own enjoyment and thats enough for me. (1) Thanks for Kita and Dandel for hosting. Its never easy in a small one, and a mountain of last-second work in a big one like this. Great flavour, interesting setup and if this is what TL goes out on - we can all be happy. Also thanks for the post-game write up! (2) Thanks to all the players that signed up. It was really nice to get a chance to play with members of the old guard, such so, it seems playing mafia is a bit like riding a bike. Yes, the fundamental meta of TL has evolved, but how you go about scum hunting and town blending is largely the same. (3) It would have been really cool if the player count had increased with some other "classic" vets like GMMarshall and Ver, or even Kita if there was an opportunity for AI hosting But the surprise packet to me was Marvellosity joining. That was a truly unexpected pleasure As for the game, scum did what the town let them do - and I wont fault them for that. After all, they are still reading the thread non-stop and truly, a certain level of patience can be required to not do something stupid in boredom. I still vouch Sentinel as the catalyst for the direction this game took. (a) Created massive distraction from scum team (b) Allowed scum team to town claim on the basis of lynching traitor (c) Is the trigger for the HF/Palmar wars (d) Unintentionally, this bled into HF/BH wars (e) Unintentionally, that bled into Rayn/Acro wars In retrospect I wish I dug my heels deeper - especially at LYLO and having got some traction on Pandain. I find it hard to find motivation to start wagons because of how susceptible this site is to shenanigans. It feels all that effort seem pointless and the timezone difference doesnt help with having players to interact/develop reads with, and the perviously mentioned shenanigans. The video thing gives me confidence in the future though to flesh out reads on my own. I think the takeaway from that video was a scum read on Pandain + Rels, and I believe a light scum read on Jock. I think I walked away from Oats with some questions, but not a hard read. So perhaps this is something I should do for myself more often.. Its terrible but that video was the first time all game I went filter diving for something specific. Sigh. A couple replies to post-game comments On March 18 2019 07:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Maybe in Acro filter, but for the majority a lot is "meh" and battles of emotion/ego.I don't even feel like there was that much "spam" as characterized by off topic posting. Just a lot of active people trying to solve the game. Thats the challenge of a mayor game with 2 candidates that decapitate each other. It sets up the town in such an emotional swing state: pick a side, its you vs me. No We. And unfortunately the game remained in that state. On March 18 2019 00:19 Jockmcplop wrote: You did well. The acro pickup on your activity on other threads though was illuminating! You gotta watch for that in the future.gg all! Thanks hosts + everyone else also for welcoming me. I know I faded towards the end (I didn't know how much effort was going to be required when i signed up lol) but i really enjoyed it and I'll be back for more if more happens On March 18 2019 00:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: I get what you are saying but I would hazard a guess that this % is consistent with smaller games. The last game on this forum you were mafia and lurked as well, literally only coming into respond to call outs. Its a fault of town, not the scum team.this game cannot be played if ~20 townies dont play. well, "gg" What I will agree with though is the quantity of non-votes this game THAT IS BULLSHIT On March 18 2019 00:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: I accept its highly unusual, but I am also OK with this. Kita has done similar actions in town favour before, so its not like it was a decision made in bias; nor was a slot replaced with a 3rd player. I think the non-voters is a bigger issue.pandain - adam - pandain was disgusting, really, just modkill if one doesnt want to play kita... On March 18 2019 00:52 Vivax wrote: I did it for last game shits n giggles. High risk, High reward play. Maybe one day I'll understand what made 13 townies vote HF to lynch Palmar. That wasn't just bad, it was sad. I didnt think it would be a component for sealing towns fate though. I think the only scum actively trying to get HF lynched for the palmar thing was BC? So it was town who imploded. On March 18 2019 00:53 Onegu wrote: Thats the problem. You became dead man walking with the claim and it would have been better off if you were lynched.NO my survivor claim was fine. I was going to be lynched that day for sure. like 100% if I didn't claim it. The bad part about it was I couldnt really influence the lynches that much because no one would listen to a survivor. That claim created another distraction in a closed setup that took away from finding scum = town could not get closure and town could not trust you to vote with them since you are "survivor" with either team. It was a terrible claim dude - and thats coming from me. After the claim, you were always going to be a LYLO question mark, and if somehow the game came to final 3, we woulda been fucked regardless. On March 18 2019 01:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Yep.. We all seem to be scared of active scum victory which happens like once a year or whatever. Maybe its the projected embarrassment of losing to active scum that makes town literally, self-sabotage?I think town was too quick to kill active voices. On March 18 2019 01:55 Acrofales wrote: Yeah, its a tough one. I felt you were too adamant in the strength of your reads personally, especially given how everything flipped. But I get it. Paranoia, every cycle the town circle keeps disappearing. Mafia did do good NK thats for sure. Yeah, sorry town. My scumreads were way off. [..] Lets face it, we were never even close to lynching any scum other than Sentinel this game. It was just town fighting with town. Rayn calls me terrible, but pretty much the only thing he did was tunnel me and then die. Yep, town state was too emotional - but this included yourself And I do agree on Rayn. Thats what I recall him doing. I'm pretty sure before he was NK'd he said he would just vote you next cycle and peace out. On March 18 2019 02:53 darthfoley wrote: Yeah TW shot was good.but TW had a great shot on BC. Also must say that I thoroughly enjoyed Mocsta's video. He was really starting to get the game, albeit a bit too late. Really cool dude! Thanks for the feedback - appreciate it. On March 18 2019 03:22 Ace wrote: yeah....I still don't understand why anyone would have wanted to lynch BH there. Think that was the worst part of the game. | ||
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I thought Ace was subtly claiming credit and in my skewed and sick world was offering to work with town lol On March 07 2019 12:06 Ace wrote: Holyflare is Scum [...] The nightkills - 3 dead. All Town. I refuse, literally refuse to think a vigilante shot any of them over Holyfield. Like it seems unfathomable that the targets would end up at Marv, Iamp, or Koshi (lol wut?). Especially with one being Vet and dying (maybe Rb + shot). If there's a third party out there, I think it goes without saying you should start shooting scum or clashing flips from now on [...] On March 07 2019 12:25 Mocsta wrote: ohh man.. my take from this is that ace is the 3rd party lol this is hilarious sigh im close to unvoting. | ||
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On March 18 2019 10:39 Mr. Wiggles wrote: That would have been a fun retort Yeah, some scum were nervous before we remembered DF's the GF lol I was also sad you didn't scum read me in your YouTube post so I could make a "Video Killed the Radio Star" joke I should have questioned my read on you - honestly, i wrote you off like LS and didnt read a single thing you posted. In hindsight, its clear though LS was a puppy dog, and you were more tactical/specific in reply so i should have at least challenged the integrity of that. I also thought the grack/vivax/TT kills were more to keep the acro/pandain mystery a float. So didnt give much credibility to the accuracy of their reads. Poor judgement call from me. For the record, I was prepared to go all in on the red check on DF when i made the claim. However, legitimately, about 30min later work situation changed and mafia went from low priority to zero. It would have been fun to see how that panned out We will never know - i doubt the game outcome would have changed though. Well done. | ||
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Palmar u converted me Imma policy day1 lyncher from now on Just gotta find somewhere else to play lol | ||
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