On February 15 2019 02:01 Koshi wrote: I prefer to not play than to play a last game.
If this game is successful I'd consider hosting a game once a season, but if Vivax and Koshi don't want to play, I'm not sure I'd be able to find the motivation...
On February 24 2019 03:31 NocturneMage wrote: Decisions. I guess I have to question how quickly my brain will disintegrate the more people there are in this game. Last large normal wasn't fun for me entirely because I spent way too much time reading and not enough actually playing.
On February 27 2019 01:57 Tictock wrote: I suppose I was unintentionally furthering the stereotype of the bad Asian female driver... I really just wanted to put the reference for the joke I was making. In hindsight, context was probably unnecessary.
Personally I tend to be most bothered by drivers who feel like they own the road. You know the people who bob and weave in and out of traffic playing the “me first” game. Who, despite knowing full well their lane is ending, will zoom as far past as many people as possible before merging over.
I find it odd how there is a thread of thought that gender has any bearing on driving ability, when clearly there is no difference between men and woman drivers. I do have to concede that there are cultural differences in driving. One thing I notice is that in EU drivers tend to use car horns as an alert whereas in the US drivers tend to use it as a shout (usually in anger at traffic or telling someone to go).
Proof you've never been to Italy.
The crosswalks there are for decoration, and the horn is a vent for frustration.
I live in New Jersey, our largest ethnic group is Italian (like 18% tbh, but it approaches 100 the farther away from the cities you get), and that last sentence applies to the roads here. The apple doesn't really fall far from the tree.
On March 02 2019 11:13 Jockmcplop wrote: Is it me or is meapak throwing suspicion around without actually trying to get any information? Looks like that is the only story of the last couple of pages
I haven't read the thread too carefully and I haven't looked at my PM yet but I think throwing suspicion around automatically gets you information unless he's actively prohibiting you from doing so
On March 03 2019 02:10 Ace wrote: I think we should nominate someone who has barely posted yet as Mayor. There are a lot of thoughts already posted that could help us draw conclusions based on conversations.
Giving a semi-lurking/lurking player lynch power and forcing them into the game seems like a good move to me. So a player like Tumblewood or tubesock should be nominated (they've barely posted from a cursory filter check).
This is the 6th post Ace has made in the thread
Is this a really oblique way of saying "you guys should nominate me for mayor"?
On March 03 2019 06:17 Oatsmaster wrote: if sent honestly hasnt read his role pm then he really should die because of competitive integrity
If I'm VT I lose nothing by not knowing I'm VT. By the laws of probability I'm probably VT though which is why I have a town read on myself rn
If I'm blue I don't see any role that requires me knowing I'm blue during the daytime
If I'm red I have this habit of knowing too much D1 and getting caught pretending I don't know too much. The only way I can really screw that up is if it's a tight race between a town and a scum candidate to be lynched and I accidentally pick my teammate to be lynched, but if it gets close to that I can always read my PM
That said we're far out from deadline and the only way I can make sense of day one is when people are trying to kill me so until then I'm going to find scum and hope I'm not scum myself.
On March 03 2019 08:38 Oatsmaster wrote: Also hf, so either you are town and you play serious so my read is wrong.
Or you are town and you dont play serious so my read is right in the sense that if you were serious you are mafia. But just that my judgement of your posts is wrong.
It cant be both at the same time like you are trying to portray it here.
It's your read that I'm too serious but over 50% of my filter at that point was not serious. Those posts you've quoted are also just reads. In what previous game of mine have I not given reads and instead have just done this amazing nothingness and fun you're trying to portray me as doing as town?
So the green part is that you are saying that you arent playing seriously this game in your opinion.
The bolded green part is that you are saying that you do play serious as town.
SOOOOOO ARE YOU TOWN THIS GAME HF??
I don't understand your scum read on HF. He started the game joking around and then got more serious over time. You quoted posts from the former. He claims he's now switching to the latter. What's the inconsistency?
On March 03 2019 11:32 LightningStrike wrote: Sent is policy at best I wont lynch him unless there is no better option honestly.
There is literally no better option on day 1 than policy. Those are the best lynches on day 1 because you get rid of trash on a day with no information.
Getting rid of trash on a day with no information = no further information besides whether or not said trash was scum or town
Current list of thoughts. I'll try to keep myself from repeating takes but I didn't write these in order so I might occasionally say the same thing twice, especially if I'm commenting on another player's analysis of a third player.
1) Onegu Onegu's contributions to the thread have been pretty lacking. Up to now all his contributions have been joke reads. But that also seems par for the course for Onegu. I looked at a grand total of two other games for comparison. In Hurricane Shelter he was town and posted like he does now. In Names are Hard 2 he was scum and posted a bunch of reads. So I guess he looks town for now
2) Fecalfeast The good news is there's one theme in his filter and it's "I want to find scum and lynch them". Red reads on chezinu and LS.
3) Holyflare Massive fucking filter. I'm going to skip to the end where he talks to people who aren't me, about me. HF was the first one to accuse me of foul play. Palmar took it and ran from there. Slam has said that already but I'll repeat it here. What I like about HF is at least on the surface his play seems honest
On March 03 2019 23:23 LightningStrike wrote: Going to put a place holder vote on myself and voting Palmar for mayor since I think it's the best option.
Why is palmar the best option? What alignment do you think I am?
He's the best option for mayor because he willing to get rid of a question mark in Sent who I think is just a policy lynch. Dunno about your alignment you're too good I was hoping you and Tina would try to talk to each other.
So why are you not voting me as mayor when i want to mayor vote Sentinel?
On March 03 2019 03:59 Holyflare wrote: I will lynch sentinel this cycle with a mayor vote by the way. Not only are his posts pointless blending but if you want an excuse for a policy lynch he is it.
A good ploicy lynch yes but would rather lynch a for certain scum though over policy lynching someone.
You even contradict yourself here. Now you're willing to allow a mayor to policy lynch sentinel?
in that whole chain he holds LS accountable for sheeping
I would rather elect Palmar and have him lynch Sentinel
Yea the more I think about it, lets do this. ##Elect: Palmar
I think having everyone lynch Sent would be a bit of a waste of Day 1 voting as he is kinda a coinflip (and we might get better information via a different lynch and resulting voting patterns), but am totally down with the Mayor killing him.
Imagine not reading the thread and supporting the guy who has made one or two posts to be mayor when there is someone with a lot of posts advocating the same mayor lynch.
Clearly from my posts, and from me not reading, I did not know what your platform as mayor was.
But to be honest, at this point I just hate you. You berate how I read and catch up, you berate me when I don’t do that. I will just be ignoring you for the rest of the game because I will likely only get angry and possibly tilt if I have to deal with you.
Part of me wants to call you scum because you played with me in the last game where you know this had an effect on me, but here you are doing the exact thing again. Seems like you just don’t want to try and play nice and would rather ruffle my feathers. I choose not to put up with your shit.
I am not berating you as a person. I am merely pointing out that it's a very strange platform for you to follow if someone else had said the exact same thing and yet you didn't bat an eyelid.
If you did not know I said that and have actual personal reasons to not want to vote for me then fine. I am in no way insulting you as a person, nor do I dislike you as a person. I merely dislike the catch up style because it is contrary with how I like to play, which is conversational, which I believe you've refrained from doing with me for a while.
I had genuine points on you this game which you've neglected to answer and then I had seen this vote. Do you think it is in my best interest to just ignore that or push it?
I'm sorry you feel this way about me but I truly don't mean any offense by the way I talk. Honestly, I don't even remember the last game I played with you so that's on me I'm afraid. I hope we can get past this and actually talk about the game.
Unless you are mafia in which case this post is disgusting.
I haven't played the game they're referring to or looked at it, but I agree with the rest of this post. I find myself catching up a lot because like many people in the thread I underestimate the time commitment of this game, but I'd go even further than HF and say that that style is conducive to mafia because it's easier to slip through the cracks. That's not to say everyone who lurks or has other things to do is red, but it is a town strategy to encourage and pressure others to be more active in the thread.
4) Palmar Most of his posts are about lynching me.
I think at this point in the game if you're scum, sheeping Palmar is the best strategy. Why Palmar in particular? He's got a commanding role in the thread and all of his actions look like he's finding scum - for now. The schtick might get a little old if he does literally nothing else and disappears but at least for now it's proactive enough to find at least one suspicious looking player and encourage people to vote for a second one (or give him that power - if he was 100% serious it would be trouble but he's not being 100% serious).
If he's town well then he kills one of his own, and once I flip town suddenly it's all for naught because people are at least a little suspicious of him. The reason you'd sheep him and not oppose him as mafia is because 1) he's already made the anti-Sentinel arguments for you so you don't need to think, and 2) you could always look good and defend me so that when I flip town you can say "I told you so" but as mafia it's dangerous to be right when everyone else isn't, especially if you haven't made a constructive argument for why I'm actually town.
If he's scum it's a pretty safe position since I'm not his teammate and unlike say Rels I've actually posted in this thread from time to time, which gives him just enough rope to hang me. Once I flip he can use the exact same argument to vindicate himself because mistakes happen.
On March 02 2019 12:25 Fecalfeast wrote: why are you a little suspicious of EmZee? You haven't said anything about him yet, have you?
Mainly he been taking some of my stuff out context and making them look worse than what they are. Rayn also had a good point about him too regarding his handling of me and conversion. I want to see more from him though to see if I got his alignment right.
Very noncommittal and seems to be deflecting from himself rather than pressuring MZ.
On March 02 2019 22:39 Vivax wrote: Trfels posts on this page read to me like a bit of minimum effort "scumhunting" coupled with sucking up to rsoultin when poked.
I think you might be reading to much into it? Didn't seem like he was trying to suck it up to Tina at least to me.
Soft defense of Trfel
On March 02 2019 22:18 LightningStrike wrote: Also liking rayn so far this game though and same with Tina hopefully we get more people to post!
Soft defense of rsoultin & rayn
On March 02 2019 23:41 LightningStrike wrote: Anyways I think Vivax might be town atm just going to see if he can continue posting since he can't keep it up as scum.
Soft defense of Vivax
On March 03 2019 11:00 LightningStrike wrote: df seems town, Oats null at best atm wanting more content from him. Palmar not really doing shit but it's the weekend he doesn't do shit on the weekend unless he's scum Day 1. I willing to give FF a Day since he's not being lazy FF. I missing a certain french person and a certain american
Soft defense of darthfoley, no commitment on Oats, wanting to give FF and rayn more time.
On March 03 2019 11:32 LightningStrike wrote: Sent is policy at best I wont lynch him unless there is no better option honestly.
Doesn't vote for the policy lynch (e.g. ##Mayor: Palmar). No commitment.
On March 03 2019 11:32 LightningStrike wrote: Sent is policy at best I wont lynch him unless there is no better option honestly.
There is literally no better option on day 1 than policy. Those are the best lynches on day 1 because you get rid of trash on a day with no information.
But I rather try to lynch scum
On March 03 2019 11:51 LightningStrike wrote: Sent please read your role pm at some point before EoD would greatly appreciate it. <3
There's two universes here. Let's say you're dead set on believing I'm scum. Town LS should be pressuring me in some way. Palmar's entire platform is "Lynch Sentinel" so the easiest way to do that would be vote Palmar for mayor. Scum LS would be doing everything in his power to save his teammate. Or bus me but obviously he isn't doing that here.
Now let's say you correctly surmise I'm town. Town LS has no way of knowing this and LS hasn't given any reasons as to why I should be town. There is no take up to this point from him that says "Sentinel is town". You can always unvote later. What do you have to lose by not voting for Palmar in an effort to pressure me? And Scum LS would know I'm town, in which case all of the above comes across as a massive out in the event Palmar succeeds and I flip town.
The reason I believe it's the last case - that LS is scum - is because that behavior dovetails very well with his play. All of his reads are null to soft town, never giving too much justification whether or not they're town. He often plays devil's advocate with other people's scum reads and asks people "do you have full faith in your read?" without suggesting any alternatives. Oftentimes he follows this up with "I want to give [suspicious player] more time to post" without actually pressuring the suspicious player in any way. At 5 pages LightningStrike's filter is one of the longest in the game but most of it so far has been this kind of vapid content.
On March 03 2019 23:15 LightningStrike wrote: Also the Sent train is a big concerning considering I thought we were going to use our mayor thing on him instead of lynching him?
And yet he didn't vote for a mayor (still!) despite admitting "Palmar wants to use his mayor thing on Sent"
On March 03 2019 23:28 LightningStrike wrote: But for real though Sent is null at best. I don't think Oats is mafia compared to his last game he actually got some reasoning for his reads instead of just saying why something is bad/mafia. I think Tina is still Town and same with Vivax and Rayn. I kinda want to give a attempt of a sicklucker read and say he's town to make it a tiny bit easier for myself since he did claimed scum as town before. Damdred is just mia and might not be alignment indicative.
Still no commitment on me! Null at best. That would be great if LS had any other scum reads but all he has are soft town reads and null reads.
Still no conclusions on Oats. Soft defenses on rsoultin & rayn & vivax a second time in this game. Another "I want to give him more time to post" this time on sicklucker.
Solid red.
6) Blazinghand Started reading the thread and his analysis of this game should come through around the same time as his analysis of British Empire Mini II.
7) Tictock I'll be happy voting for him if only to get him to stop putting all his reads in spoilers
Here are some of his noteworthy takes
On March 02 2019 14:30 Tictock wrote: Meap seems very Mafia to me on this page, he even does this "Guide me Senpai" thing with HF that I hate.
On March 02 2019 10:27 Damdred wrote: LS is town, that is all.
More when I get home and find a town circle to kill from within.
Ehh, I can't make up my mind what I want to say about this, I agree with him (which typically gives me townfeels for Damdred) but this feels like an easy, "free" read and post from Damdred. For some reason was noteworty to me... idk.
Great detective work! I would love to have you on my team as lead investigator! I will be sure that the corporate office hear of this amazing discovery!
Best, Chezinu Isunizehc
Why does this game irrelevant post get praise from you Chez?
On March 02 2019 10:33 LightningStrike wrote: Me and Damdred aren't masons even though I wish we were masons
Honest to a fault... Totes town.
Willing to give solid townleans on Trefl and LS, and a minor townlean on Damdred thus far. I've also got a bit of a gutread on FF at this point, but I'm not sharing it yet.
What's interesting here is that the foundation of all of this is LS's first three posts. I don't know which three posts qualify but up to the "me and Damdred aren't masons" LS has posted nothing of substance, town or not.
Damdy is town because he agrees with LS. He's masons with LS and LS is town so they can't be scum together. Oops LS isn't a mason but LS is town and Damdy is still town because he said LS is town.
His justification is
LS can be a hard player to read, but all these posts are honest sadness that people are starting to play for real and not just joke around and shoot the breeze as many recent games have started.
Not saying I have some kinda God-Read on him or anything, but that is how I try to and what I get from those posts.
So all of his town reads by association come from a belief that LS is honest. And that belief is predicated on the fact that LS was joking around.
HF seems to be posting to post and I don't like it, but it's not really a scum read right now. It's just him coasting.
Speaking of my Watch List, I think it's something like this right now: ... HF (just not comfortable with him just floating around the game making no impact, yet being relatively present)
I think this is colored by TT's dislike of HF
On March 03 2019 13:47 Tictock wrote: Ok, I came, I saw, I did some things. Seems like ppl are not around so gunna do other things. May check in once more before bed but I am pretty sure I am not going to fully read the stuff I missed.
I'd like someone who is wanting to lynch oats to convince me why he is scum.
Similarly as to why ppl are voting HF for mayor.
If deadline was right now/soon I would push for Meap or Grack to lynch.
I don't like this post because he started with a gutread on her and acted off that information throughout the game, leading to the conclusion: rsoultin is town. It cheapens the value of all the evidence he posts afterward to support the fact rsoultin is town.
Leaning red
8) Oatsmaster Oats is one of the few players in this game who's accused too many people of being mafia rather than too few. Then retracts some of them with this:
On March 03 2019 06:16 Oatsmaster wrote: mocsta posted one post and peaced ~~ possibly town,
That's more generous than I would have phrased it but OK
iamp is putting in way too much effort to be town
No
tictock is reaching real far for their reads
Yes
Acro actually is a lawyer and lawyers should be lynched cause they are bad men
I chuckled
HF too serious to be town
I haven't played with HF enough to confirm or deny this and I don't have enough time to evaluate the meta of 35 players
Ace actually posted the worst idea ive ever seen what was that nonsense
OK
I think if you lean red on everyone it's only slightly better than leaning green on everyone. I'd almost call it a scum play Oats does put pressure on HF. I'd still lean Oats because even with that pressure he doesn't commit to any sort of scum team besides "half the thread", at least in any meaningful way to advance the game.
11) sicklucker The "Hi I'm mafia" post doesn't inherently strike me as bad.
The entire first page of his filter is... interesting. Starts out with a lot of one-liners and a one-liner plus a quote from TL's spam warning. To quote Trfel,
On March 02 2019 21:59 Trfel wrote: Does that make sense? It doesn't look like he's trying to find mafia, just trying to exist.
What's more
On March 03 2019 06:44 sicklucker wrote: People i wouldnt lynch yet. Sent claimed for some readon Slam Ryan Hf Ls Rstoulin Tube maybe
On March 03 2019 11:26 Palmar wrote: So this is not a joke, I am going to do nothing but vote Sentinel until he comes in to the thread and says "I have read my role PM". Just pile votes on him because he's playing a strategy that's only advantageous to mafia.
this, as I said in the previous post, is probably the best thing you can do as scum right now. This is the second-to-last post at the time I wrote this.
On March 03 2019 13:32 LightningStrike wrote: With that being said I probably will try to sleep now hopefully we get more people to post and shit. Will check everything when I wake up!
Hey ls how do you think about the current game. I know your town its really boring but you are and if your not ill kill you later anyway . Knowing you I want to keep your contributions to the game really simple of people you know. I want the dirt boo I want the dandred reads and such. thats your job this game keep it simple but effective. and when im mafia you can lynch me in final 3 like always its fine
And this is the final post. Lots of fun stuff here. Claiming LS is town despite having no takes on him before or after this moment, asking LS to provide reads he himself can build off off, and another "I'm the mafia" joke which again in a vacuum isn't bad but on the tail end of a post like this looks bad to me.
Overall, no real scum reads, 1/2 iffy town reads on rsoultin and LS. However here's some mitigating factors:
On March 02 2019 22:47 sicklucker wrote: im more just pointing out shit reads and im the constant that I know
stole my gameplan
On March 02 2019 22:50 sicklucker wrote: like im sure there have been some good negative reads for example. I liked rayns read on me that somethings off. I kind of agree on that one
On March 02 2019 22:59 sicklucker wrote: I mean not just accurate just something I think a townie would feel about me since I havent played this shit game in years
These posts give me the suspicion that SL isn't scum but just being bad town given that it's his first game in a while and it's got 35 people in it. Palmar would probably policy lynch him but I'd rather find scum than take a risk on a bad townie who at least has the ability to lynch red players with everyone else.
12) Acrofales What I don't like about Acrofales is that he read the same TT post I did but somehow he thought TT did a good read whereas I thought he did the opposite. What I do like is he posts a definite shitlist:
I do think he has a strong justification to vote for Palmar Mayor rather than HF mayor in that Palmar's fate in the thread is dictated entirely on whether or not I'm scum. It's a more one-to-one relationship. Whereas even if HF is wrong, a malicious HF could use all the other stuff to look town.
15) Chezinu I'm not reading the RP. There's probably something good in there especially in the second half of his filter but I don't care enough to look for it.
17) ExO_ Came into the thread and posted a bunch of memes and left. Hasn't done anything since. The only reason I'd give for vigging him in particular of all the inactives is that he interacted with people (by posting memes), rather than just saying hi and disappearing (which could be for any IRL reason as well). He was following the thread if not reading it.
19) [UoN]Sentinel Confirmed town
26) Mocsta He just came in so I'll probably develop my takes further. Here are some of his deep dives and my thoughts on them
On March 03 2019 23:47 WaveofShadow wrote: Hai mocsta! Not missing much. Hf/rayn yelling at each other, Palmar wants mayor to dispose of sentinel cause he won't read his role pm. Pretty stavdard stuff.
Hmmm
So far i read sentinel / sicklucker / palmar
Sentinel seems ok. Like his first couple posts were iffy but seemed quite comfortable/relaxed esp when asking for vote pile up. I didnt like acro in sentinel filter. Cheesy focus on lurjers.. reqd like he was polishing a turd. Im not against a policy lynch but it would be purely that. I would prefer mayor vote on him so ppl are forced to take a stand for the lynch itself.
Sicklucker i read cos i thought he was tubesock lol... filter seemed ok too. Nothing stood out to me and seemdd to have some focus. Not posting to shit the thread
Palmar filter was good because it had some quotes from rayn and acro. I like that rayn picked up on acro.. palmars counter about weak play are fair and aceo is a solid player. But i give higher credit to weekend and massive game = preference to cop out even if mafia. I do like palmat back and forth with rayn and even though i know palmar excels at pushing for thread soapbox position it read as if he was trying to work with the thread instead of pretend to keep up a facade.
Onto acro filter now
The most interesting thing here is the Palmar take. He offers some soft counters against the Palmar mayor platform even though he ultimately agrees with it. On one hand at this point it reads like "I'm behind Palmar but if things don't work out I'm giving myself this escape route".
Between this and his analysis of Acrofales and trfel though, and taking into account he had a huge thread to work with by the time he showed up, what I like about Mocsta's posts this game is they've been consistent. He starts with the player's meta and compares it to their play up to now in this thread and draws his conclusion on whether they're town or scum. As opposed to deciding whether or not a player is town or scum based on hunches/other motives and then finding evidence to buttress his position. This is pretty honest play and
On March 04 2019 00:30 Mocsta wrote: I will place on whoever has highest vote count at this point.
as long as "at this point" doesn't extend too long into D1 I think Mocsta is looking slightly green. I'd like to hear more from him though before I can firmly say he's green or not.
27) Koshi No posts yet
28) Trfel Happy birthday!
Just like SL he "Hi I'm mafia" post in itself doesn't strike me as bad. What does strike me as bad is the back-and-forth about how many mafia there are in the game. His exchanges with first HF and then Conversion come at a time when rayn and a few others are trying to grill LS and MZ. Trfel and Chezinu provide a lot of volume between every post in that attack. The flip side to this is that by the next page both he and Chez are gone and the attacks continue, so it's not like he was just running interference as scum until rayn et al. took the heat off his teammates.
On March 02 2019 21:59 Trfel wrote: I actually kinda want to lynch sicklucker.
He's currently contributed almost no reads (if I recall correctly, dislike of Acrofales and a town-to-meh read on rsoultin). Yet he took the time to defend himself verbosely from the slightest suspicion of rsoultin, which feels highly overdefensive, but his argument was defending his townread of rsoultin while his read, just previously posted, seemed far less committed:
On March 02 2019 17:08 sicklucker wrote: rsoultin is town dawg. maybe. na. maybe. na
Does that make sense? It doesn't look like he's trying to find mafia, just trying to exist.
This is correct but I'd also like to point out prior to making this post he had precisely zero reads except calling rayn "maybe mafia" before retracting it in his next post. His next substantial post is agreeing with rsoultin that Tubesock is mafia and providing zero new or contradictory thoughts on TS in that entire post. Then comes this:
On March 03 2019 06:39 Holyflare wrote: If you don't comment on a really obvious inconsistency I'll be sad.
I agree Oatsmaster's play has been quite subpar so far, and I agree that his assessment of your play this game is awful. However maybe I'm wrong in this but I don't feel like his play is mafia-motivated at all. I don't really think mafia would want to enter the thread late and use a bunch of garbage reasons to push suspicion at people, including people like you who are quite likely to respond and respond with a lot of weight. It would be an exceptionally stupid move.
Maybe it's dumb but that makes me actually not want to lynch Oatsmaster right now. Or was there something else you were referring to?
On March 03 2019 06:44 Holyflare wrote: No, it's that. That's quite a common oats mafia play. Throw darts blindfolded and be controversial and hope something sticks.
On March 03 2019 06:46 Trfel wrote: @sicklucker, why wouldn't you want to lynch rsoultin? Last I saw, you were just at maybe nah maybe nah?
@Holyflare, fair enough, I'll take a look. Thanks for letting me know.
On March 03 2019 06:50 Trfel wrote: Also it's easier to just vote for Oatsmaster than look at his meta so I'll just be doing that.
This is a really scummy move. He provides some counterarguments to HF, and then dismisses his own case taking HF at his word. This makes me think he didn't actually consider whether or not Oats is scum but just waffled a bit to figure out which way the wind was blowing and then take his position accordingly. Putting all this together it looks like Trfel is in the thread pretending to find scum without actually contributing anything to finding scum.
On March 03 2019 04:05 Tubesock wrote: There isn’t anyone I want to lynch.
If I were mayor I’d sheep Holyflare most likely for the 2nd lynch.
I'm thinking I'd like to lynch you!
Or are you making this guy mayor, Ace?
That’s fair. I can vote HF for mayor sure. I don’t see how you could get me wanting Ace mayor out of what I said.
You were one of the two names Ace threw out to make someone non-contributing mayor.
Figure you're reading closely enough to say what you'd do as mayor, which no one else had mentioned but Ace, but still don't want to put forward an opinion about anyone.
Reads scummy to me.
When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me?
Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why?
Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear.
I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too.
I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember.
I like this. Pressures people to take more risky positions = information.
On March 04 2019 01:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote: @HF, you seem like a cool guy, but I'm thinking my mayor vote will be going to Palmar. You've got a bit of a loose cannon vibe going on whereas Palmar is essentially Judge Dredd.
@rsoultin: Chezinu is our albatross. If you kill him you'll be thirsty for the rest of your life.
@LS: I don't understand this weird martyrdom thing you're doing. If you're town why the heck would you want to just roll over and die because a couple people scumread you? Bad vibes.
His LS read agrees with my LS read but isn't as strong. I dislike the Palmar justification because it seems to me that the end result is the same (both want to lynch me atm) but HF has offered more information to act on. Especially since in the last post Wiggles showed approval for HF, so it's not like he thinks he's red or anything.
31) BloodyC0bbler Posts some early reads, hasn't done much since. Most interesting is his defense of Chezinu and attack on rsoultin for attacking Chezinu. Acrofales has said everything I want to say about him so I'll just quote his post:
2) Cobbler posted some reads and something provocative, and gave time for them to answer. I liked his first post and will wait for more. The fact that he's aggressive seems fine. Not going to do anything meta with it, because the last time I played mafia is probably 4 years ago or so and while I remember playing with Cobbler I can't for the life of me remember his alignment. I do remember him being aggressive tho, but not abusive.
32) Ace The only thing of substance he's done in the thread so far is propose to nominate a lurker for mayor before disappearing from the thread. But it also does carry the cost of another NK. The lurker doesn't even have to show their hand since there's a lot of plausible deniability between "I haven't been keeping up with the thread" and "In the 30 minutes I've been here I think [suspicious townie] is scum". This gives me red vibes but Ace hasn't been here long enough for me to say for certain.
34) iamperfection Comes out the gate with a bunch of one-liners. The rough sequence is:
1. I lean green on Tictock 2. I lean red on MZ 3. Jock had a bad post 4. Acro had bad posts 5. Chez has bad posts and is running interference 6. Sentinel's town read is prescient of his role. The man in the gif holds up 5 fingers which means it's a 5/5 play 7. Actually Tictock might be red 8. Oats is bad but not red
35) Rels Came in here twice to post twice, hasn't done jackshit since
On March 04 2019 03:56 iamperfection wrote: Playing thread cop when announcing that your going to be away is illogical especially for someone like acro. This is a person that has had a 50 page filter before and he was also full of shit he has come back to the thread to post drivel several times. It also shows he isn't reading the thread correctly because he is scum. Thoses " claims" were clearly jokes and acro cant understand that because he knows who is scum.
I agree with this if only because he's never brought it up again regardless of whether or not people were lying.[/quote]
He is also making reads but they aren't really reads.
Does he think rsoultin is mafia i dont know can you tell? i certainly cant he is just showing shade without taking any real stance. Mafia hate making real reads because its hard when you have to "make them up" . Same think with cobbler he makes a somewhat read but its nothing if you really read.
It's oblique but yes it looks like a mafia read at least to me. My question to you is - I agree with his cobbler read. What would your read be? Because obviously it's not that and I want to hear your opinion.
He then goes into coaching and then makes a scum read but has to add some nonsense he dosent really want to convince anyone to do anything really.
On March 03 2019 16:26 Acrofales wrote: K, 1 1/2 hours of morning posts before I'm sailing all day again.
Summary of the night:
##mayor Palmar
zzz
this is why the sent push is pointless
Why is this pointless? Walk me through it. I disagree with lynching sent (although I do want him dead). I'm all for putting that responsibility squarely on Palmar's shoulders.
And no, waiting til n1 to start playing the game seriously is not acceptable as town.
36? players. You either believe him about his role pm blahness or don't. If you don't, by all means push it. If you do it's boring. People won't lynch Chez on the assumping he can be vig'd. So can this guy.
And mostly it's an easy thing to agree with and excuse not doing anything else, innit?
Though props for not being that guy at least.
People won't lynch Chez because they don't think he's obviously scum. So if you want to lynch Chez make a better case than he's RPing the brown, because if you actually read his posts there's some decent amount of effort into understanding the game there, IMHO.
Sent is different. Let's assume he's telling the truth. In that case the only ppl who know his alignment are scum. If he's scum then they'll try to save him and if he isn't they'll try to kill him. Lynching him is not the best option, because there's far too much confusion in that wagon to get any information.
Now let's assume he's lying. I can't think of a town reason for doing this, and so he's scum. The rest is similar to above.
Enters Palmar: he claims to feel strongly about killing sent. So let him do it. All you need to decide is if Palmar is townie enough. But if we decide Palmar is townie enough to be mayor then he is free to kill whoever he likes. He sticks with sentinel and sentinel flips scum? We win, yay! Sheep Palmar into Armageddon. Sentinel flips town? We figure out if Palmars policy lynch is an ideological thing or a scum thing. Either way, we get information about Palmar out of this, which is a great thing to get out of D1.
This post is ultra scummy. His stance on palmar reeks of having extra information one way or another. Palmar saying he is going to just policy lynch and fuck off should be called out by acro but instead he takes a wait and see approach because he dosent really care how it turns out. Acro is good player and he should be shitting on palamr for saying he is going to fuck off. Instead he says we will figure it out but dosent really suggest how to do it. Shouldnt he be puhing palmar now? why wait. he dosent really want to figure out palmars alignment because he already knows what it is.
Acro is the one who went sailing right? How do you push another player for fucking off from the thread when you yourself are planning to fuck off from the thread
not really pushing anything and has several other posts where he attacks low hanging fruit just to feign activity. Acro is mafia and that is who i will vote for.
I want all of you to comment on my case and vote acro.
I didn't look too closely at this list because Acro was the 21st player I looked at (out of 21) but I agree that some of his picks are suss. Specifically having Exo, SL, me and Oats all in one. Any one or two of those put together makes sense but all 4 together look like easy picks.
Going to have to revise my read to be more read but I can't call him scum yet until I look into him more
On March 04 2019 04:04 Damdred wrote: I like your case and it seems you believe it after all...
Dude, you're scum aren't you?
I'm going to sheep your suspicion of him sheeping iamp's suspicion of Acrofales
I still don't trust either of you or Damdred
you think im scum but going to sheep it ????????
Lemme replace some pronouns
I'm going to sheep rsoultin's suspicion of Damdred sheeping iamp's suspicion of Acrofales
I still don't trust either of rsoultin or Damdred
I still haven't looked at Damdred's filter but I don't like how Tictock just assumed he's town off the assumption LS is town. Even if you believe LS is town - which you shouldn't - TT had some awful logic for coming to that conclusion. The fact that Damdy is associated with that and the fact that he sheeped your case with that comment gives me red vibes. I'll look more into him when I'm done with my work.
1. LS is town and we're masons (LS reaction: "no we're not") 2. "I like rayn as town to...he did the town rayn thing" 3. LS tell me what to do 4. I like your case iamp and it feels right to me and you're probably town and Acrofales is probably scum ##mayor iamp ##vote acro
On March 04 2019 05:49 LightningStrike wrote: I calmed down enough to just switching my mayor vote to iamp his case seems solid enough. Wont post for the rest of the day phase/night phase Bye
your so full of shit.
You really raged from like the softest pressure ever??
bs
Yeah he's done that a lot of times before as town.
There is nothing in this thread to indicate LS is town
On March 04 2019 06:12 Grackaroni wrote: I have no idea what the mayor vote count looks like atm but I'm in favor of Palmar. I think Palmar has a better chance of lynching scum than thread at the moment.
On March 04 2019 03:56 iamperfection wrote: Playing thread cop when announcing that your going to be away is illogical especially for someone like acro. This is a person that has had a 50 page filter before and he was also full of shit he has come back to the thread to post drivel several times. It also shows he isn't reading the thread correctly because he is scum. Thoses " claims" were clearly jokes and acro cant understand that because he knows who is scum.
I agree with this if only because he's never brought it up again regardless of whether or not people were lying.
He is also making reads but they aren't really reads.
Does he think rsoultin is mafia i dont know can you tell? i certainly cant he is just showing shade without taking any real stance. Mafia hate making real reads because its hard when you have to "make them up" . Same think with cobbler he makes a somewhat read but its nothing if you really read.
It's oblique but yes it looks like a mafia read at least to me. My question to you is - I agree with his cobbler read. What would your read be? Because obviously it's not that and I want to hear your opinion.
He then goes into coaching and then makes a scum read but has to add some nonsense he dosent really want to convince anyone to do anything really.
On March 03 2019 16:26 Acrofales wrote: K, 1 1/2 hours of morning posts before I'm sailing all day again.
Summary of the night:
##mayor Palmar
zzz
this is why the sent push is pointless
Why is this pointless? Walk me through it. I disagree with lynching sent (although I do want him dead). I'm all for putting that responsibility squarely on Palmar's shoulders.
And no, waiting til n1 to start playing the game seriously is not acceptable as town.
36? players. You either believe him about his role pm blahness or don't. If you don't, by all means push it. If you do it's boring. People won't lynch Chez on the assumping he can be vig'd. So can this guy.
And mostly it's an easy thing to agree with and excuse not doing anything else, innit?
Though props for not being that guy at least.
People won't lynch Chez because they don't think he's obviously scum. So if you want to lynch Chez make a better case than he's RPing the brown, because if you actually read his posts there's some decent amount of effort into understanding the game there, IMHO.
Sent is different. Let's assume he's telling the truth. In that case the only ppl who know his alignment are scum. If he's scum then they'll try to save him and if he isn't they'll try to kill him. Lynching him is not the best option, because there's far too much confusion in that wagon to get any information.
Now let's assume he's lying. I can't think of a town reason for doing this, and so he's scum. The rest is similar to above.
Enters Palmar: he claims to feel strongly about killing sent. So let him do it. All you need to decide is if Palmar is townie enough. But if we decide Palmar is townie enough to be mayor then he is free to kill whoever he likes. He sticks with sentinel and sentinel flips scum? We win, yay! Sheep Palmar into Armageddon. Sentinel flips town? We figure out if Palmars policy lynch is an ideological thing or a scum thing. Either way, we get information about Palmar out of this, which is a great thing to get out of D1.
This post is ultra scummy. His stance on palmar reeks of having extra information one way or another. Palmar saying he is going to just policy lynch and fuck off should be called out by acro but instead he takes a wait and see approach because he dosent really care how it turns out. Acro is good player and he should be shitting on palamr for saying he is going to fuck off. Instead he says we will figure it out but dosent really suggest how to do it. Shouldnt he be puhing palmar now? why wait. he dosent really want to figure out palmars alignment because he already knows what it is.
Acro is the one who went sailing right? How do you push another player for fucking off from the thread when you yourself are planning to fuck off from the thread
not really pushing anything and has several other posts where he attacks low hanging fruit just to feign activity. Acro is mafia and that is who i will vote for.
I want all of you to comment on my case and vote acro.
I didn't look too closely at this list because Acro was the 21st player I looked at (out of 21) but I agree that some of his picks are suss. Specifically having Exo, SL, me and Oats all in one. Any one or two of those put together makes sense but all 4 together look like easy picks.
Going to have to revise my read to be more read but I can't call him scum yet until I look into him more
On March 04 2019 03:56 iamperfection wrote: Playing thread cop when announcing that your going to be away is illogical especially for someone like acro. This is a person that has had a 50 page filter before and he was also full of shit he has come back to the thread to post drivel several times. It also shows he isn't reading the thread correctly because he is scum. Thoses " claims" were clearly jokes and acro cant understand that because he knows who is scum.
I agree with this if only because he's never brought it up again regardless of whether or not people were lying.
He is also making reads but they aren't really reads.
Does he think rsoultin is mafia i dont know can you tell? i certainly cant he is just showing shade without taking any real stance. Mafia hate making real reads because its hard when you have to "make them up" . Same think with cobbler he makes a somewhat read but its nothing if you really read.
It's oblique but yes it looks like a mafia read at least to me. My question to you is - I agree with his cobbler read. What would your read be? Because obviously it's not that and I want to hear your opinion.
He then goes into coaching and then makes a scum read but has to add some nonsense he dosent really want to convince anyone to do anything really.
On March 03 2019 16:26 Acrofales wrote: K, 1 1/2 hours of morning posts before I'm sailing all day again.
Summary of the night:
##mayor Palmar
zzz
this is why the sent push is pointless
Why is this pointless? Walk me through it. I disagree with lynching sent (although I do want him dead). I'm all for putting that responsibility squarely on Palmar's shoulders.
And no, waiting til n1 to start playing the game seriously is not acceptable as town.
36? players. You either believe him about his role pm blahness or don't. If you don't, by all means push it. If you do it's boring. People won't lynch Chez on the assumping he can be vig'd. So can this guy.
And mostly it's an easy thing to agree with and excuse not doing anything else, innit?
Though props for not being that guy at least.
People won't lynch Chez because they don't think he's obviously scum. So if you want to lynch Chez make a better case than he's RPing the brown, because if you actually read his posts there's some decent amount of effort into understanding the game there, IMHO.
Sent is different. Let's assume he's telling the truth. In that case the only ppl who know his alignment are scum. If he's scum then they'll try to save him and if he isn't they'll try to kill him. Lynching him is not the best option, because there's far too much confusion in that wagon to get any information.
Now let's assume he's lying. I can't think of a town reason for doing this, and so he's scum. The rest is similar to above.
Enters Palmar: he claims to feel strongly about killing sent. So let him do it. All you need to decide is if Palmar is townie enough. But if we decide Palmar is townie enough to be mayor then he is free to kill whoever he likes. He sticks with sentinel and sentinel flips scum? We win, yay! Sheep Palmar into Armageddon. Sentinel flips town? We figure out if Palmars policy lynch is an ideological thing or a scum thing. Either way, we get information about Palmar out of this, which is a great thing to get out of D1.
This post is ultra scummy. His stance on palmar reeks of having extra information one way or another. Palmar saying he is going to just policy lynch and fuck off should be called out by acro but instead he takes a wait and see approach because he dosent really care how it turns out. Acro is good player and he should be shitting on palamr for saying he is going to fuck off. Instead he says we will figure it out but dosent really suggest how to do it. Shouldnt he be puhing palmar now? why wait. he dosent really want to figure out palmars alignment because he already knows what it is.
Acro is the one who went sailing right? How do you push another player for fucking off from the thread when you yourself are planning to fuck off from the thread
not really pushing anything and has several other posts where he attacks low hanging fruit just to feign activity. Acro is mafia and that is who i will vote for.
I want all of you to comment on my case and vote acro.
I didn't look too closely at this list because Acro was the 21st player I looked at (out of 21) but I agree that some of his picks are suss. Specifically having Exo, SL, me and Oats all in one. Any one or two of those put together makes sense but all 4 together look like easy picks.
Going to have to revise my read to be more read but I can't call him scum yet until I look into him more
On March 04 2019 03:48 Holyflare wrote: Yeah, but Sentinel what does YOUR role pm say?
On March 04 2019 03:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I'm VT btw
Yeah but YOURS.
On March 04 2019 03:45 kitaman27 wrote: You're VT btw
I responded to your joke with a joke.
On March 04 2019 18:19 Palmar wrote: I think my wagon (and iamp's to a lesser extent) is a much safer bet for mafia. I'm the conventional choice, the easy choice to make. I'm playing pretty townie, I'm a well known name in all eras of TL Mafia, I have a clear objective etc. I think mafia is less likely to be contrarian like that.
On March 04 2019 03:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I'm VT btw
Now apologize for playing anti town.
I'm probably still going to kill you for playing anti town. Just so we're on the same page.
Can't you just give him a slap on the wrist or something? Or at least tell us why his earlier shit outweighs the later stuff in deciding who to kill? Because this just sounds lazy to me. And I need you to be not-lazy so I can sheep you.
He needs to repent for his sins and respect authority. I am authority.
Also, I don't believe a word he says, I'm like 90% sure he's lying. I think one of two options is the real one here:
a) He read his PM initially, claimed this gambit, got called out on his bullshit and is now trying to pull back from it. b) He didn't read his PM initially, and he didn't read it now. As soon as night falls he'll post "haha I didn't actually read my role PM suckers".
I don't think for a second he just didn't read his role PM and then read it without question when told to. People are prideful and his turnaround was... too easy. He didn't resist enough, didn't try to spite me at all for forcing him to do this.
Once you do anti town shit it takes a very, very long time for you to get back on my good side.
I think there's quite a few obvious reasons Sentinel could do what he's done, as town, and none of them should make him the lynch today.
No I know townies do stupid shit all the time. Including playing anti-town.
It's the way he's gone about doing the things he did that's suspicious to me. In general people who play mafia think they're better than everyone else and are spiteful assholes. If he genuinely hadn't read his role PM I believe there is absolutely no way he just caved in I read it, thus option b).
Now option b) says nothing about his alignment of course, as he still doesn't know it, but that's irrelevant. The option I think cannot be true is
c) He didn't read his role PM, then caved in when I pressured him and read his role PM and claimed his role.
I just don't think people work like that. Maybe I'm wrong, but yeah.
I am very, very certain that either a) or b) is the truth, not c).
Between making a case on me based on your own insecurities and having a townread on two of the scummiest players in the game I'm starting to wonder if you're scum.
On March 04 2019 19:17 Jockmcplop wrote: Palmar can you explain your town read on damdred? I don't get it really.
It's a meta/tonal read based on knowing Damdred.
I can't be arsed going back to ensure I have the turn of events exactly right but something like this happened:
Some people were kinda suspicious of LS I thought LS was pretty much being LS and looking pretty ok/town Read along towards Damdred casually claiming masons with LS Infer that what Damdred really means is he townreads LS (it was obviously a joke claim)
So Damdred made the same read I did, and made a ridiculous claim as a defense of LS because to him (Damdred knows LS very well) it's pretty obvious this isn't mafia LS, at least not obvious mafia LS.
It's both the way in which he made the claim, and the fact that his read matched with mine. I like Damdred's tone in other posts as well. I think his "kill from within" town cycle comment had the right amount of funny to not be a mafia trying too hard etc.
You're going to have to explain to me like I'm 5 years old because you're the third player in this game that made some implicit assumption LS is town based on his earlier posts and then built everything off of that.
On March 05 2019 04:48 Trfel wrote: Voting Palmar for mayor because of all of the mayors' targets I want to see [UoN]Sentinel lynched most. Him having a townread on himself while claiming to have not read his role PM is super suspicious, moreso the more I think about it. Other than his huge list post he hasn't shown much thought at all, he's been just following the thread sentiment. His overall play makes his effort seem fabricated. A few reasons being quoting my reasoning in one area while highly scumreading me in another, and more importantly not seeming at all invested in his reads. If he put all that effort into reading and making his scumreads, he wouldn't not actually push those reads and follow the thread sentiment like a headless chicken. It feels forced, and like he's trying to use the effort to prove he's town.
##Mayor Palmar
Catching up but nearly everything in this post is either wrong or disingenuous
BH isn't in this game and unless this is some sort of last minute ploy to get him to come out, seeing as we've got 4 hours to deadline I don't approve of wasting a vote on a player who isn't even around to defend himself
On March 05 2019 04:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What's with the BH train? If you want to kill a hardcore lurker like that why not use the mayor lynch? I don't see the benefit
Because BH is not your typical lurker. IMHO it's like foolishness or sandroba lurking. They hate playing scum, so just don't.
Even assuming this is true the only way this makes sense is if we have absolutely no other candidates to lynch. BH has barely defended himself and he's barely posted in the thread which means we barely get any information when we learn his role except maybe who sheeped his vote.
On March 05 2019 04:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What's with the BH train? If you want to kill a hardcore lurker like that why not use the mayor lynch? I don't see the benefit
Because BH is not your typical lurker. IMHO it's like foolishness or sandroba lurking. They hate playing scum, so just don't.
Even assuming this is true the only way this makes sense is if we have absolutely no other candidates to lynch. BH has barely defended himself and he's barely posted in the thread which means we barely get any information when we learn his role except maybe who sheeped his vote.
I'd rather lynch scum than "information". God, you're really trying to dig yourself into this hole, aren't you? :O
No, you'd rather pick an easy lynch based off activity rather than trying to figure out who all the scum are.
Conversion seems more like busy townie with 1 scum read who tries to push that scum read as some sort of contribution to the thread rather than active scum lurker
If only because I've been busy with interviews as well
On March 05 2019 04:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What's with the BH train? If you want to kill a hardcore lurker like that why not use the mayor lynch? I don't see the benefit
Because BH is not your typical lurker. IMHO it's like foolishness or sandroba lurking. They hate playing scum, so just don't.
Even assuming this is true the only way this makes sense is if we have absolutely no other candidates to lynch. BH has barely defended himself and he's barely posted in the thread which means we barely get any information when we learn his role except maybe who sheeped his vote.
I'd rather lynch scum than "information". God, you're really trying to dig yourself into this hole, aren't you? :O
No, you'd rather pick an easy lynch based off activity rather than trying to figure out who all the scum are.
Lol. Hi pot.
Here are my scumreads rn
LS Damdred Tictock Trfel
I'm fine with lynching any of the four and I want whoever I do lynch to say as much as they can before they die so that maybe I can learn something useful
On March 05 2019 05:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Conversion seems more like busy townie with 1 scum read who tries to push that scum read as some sort of contribution to the thread rather than active scum lurker
If only because I've been busy with interviews as well
??? That's completely not my take.
Is your take still based off the mafia joke he made? It's def an awkwardly worded post but I think people are too anal about "I'm mafia" jokes for that post to really have an effect on me
On March 05 2019 05:06 iamperfection wrote: Bh is unacceptable and he has had plenty of time to do something productive he is scum
Well, my lack of activity being unacceptable? absolutely.
If you think that "BH is inactive when he is scum" is even close to a correct heuristic you must have never played with me, or seen or hosted or observed any game I'm in. Come on, dude, you know that isn't true. Be a man and vote me on policy. Don't make false statements about my meta.
I don't give a shit about your meta.
You somehow mayor vote palmar when you haven't read at all he didn't play untill page 40
It's a policy vote and you know it. Admit it. Be a man.
I looked in the vote thread and saw someone had voted for him for mayor, and Palmar's a decent player, so I voted for him too. I figured it would be productive.
I don't even know why i'm arguing, I'm fine dying. I just hate people saying wrong things
Why are you complaining about policy votes when your first pick for mayor has been a guy who's exclusively promised a policy vote
On March 05 2019 04:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What's with the BH train? If you want to kill a hardcore lurker like that why not use the mayor lynch? I don't see the benefit
Because BH is not your typical lurker. IMHO it's like foolishness or sandroba lurking. They hate playing scum, so just don't.
Even assuming this is true the only way this makes sense is if we have absolutely no other candidates to lynch. BH has barely defended himself and he's barely posted in the thread which means we barely get any information when we learn his role except maybe who sheeped his vote.
I'd rather lynch scum than "information". God, you're really trying to dig yourself into this hole, aren't you? :O
No, you'd rather pick an easy lynch based off activity rather than trying to figure out who all the scum are.
Lol. Hi pot.
Here are my scumreads rn
LS Damdred Tictock Trfel
I'm fine with lynching any of the four and I want whoever I do lynch to say as much as they can before they die so that maybe I can learn something useful
LS martyred and gave up. Damdred is lurking somewhere, but I'm trusting ppl who know him better than me to make sense of his uselessness. But he's a lurker. Ticktock didn't seem scummy except for that really bad reentry and fuck off today. But he already said he won't be back before the deadline so if your aim is to have a discussion, maybe read the thread?
So the only real "scum read" that follows your own rules is trfel. Great. I actually agree he is scummy as crap. But he actually looks like he's playing, rather than telling us to lynch him. Sure, we could vig BH. Or, being a high profile target who is martyring himself because he can't be bothered to read the thread, we could lynch him dead. And if he flips scum,
I agree that the longer BH stays in this thread and doesn't offer any takes the scummier he looks tbh
On March 05 2019 05:06 iamperfection wrote: Bh is unacceptable and he has had plenty of time to do something productive he is scum
Well, my lack of activity being unacceptable? absolutely.
If you think that "BH is inactive when he is scum" is even close to a correct heuristic you must have never played with me, or seen or hosted or observed any game I'm in. Come on, dude, you know that isn't true. Be a man and vote me on policy. Don't make false statements about my meta.
I don't give a shit about your meta.
You somehow mayor vote palmar when you haven't read at all he didn't play untill page 40
It's a policy vote and you know it. Admit it. Be a man.
I looked in the vote thread and saw someone had voted for him for mayor, and Palmar's a decent player, so I voted for him too. I figured it would be productive.
I don't even know why i'm arguing, I'm fine dying. I just hate people saying wrong things
Why are you complaining about policy votes when your first pick for mayor has been a guy who's exclusively promised a policy vote
Why are you misrepresenting Palmar?
At what point in time did Palmar change his opinion
On March 05 2019 05:21 Vivax wrote: What's hilarious is that I'd bet that if Palmar is elected mayor, he'll lynch BH who supported him.
I'm fine with that. But I want the majority vote on Trfel.
I too am fine with that! I'm explicitly ok with being policy lynched here. If that's actually his plan I'm gonna stay on him with my mayor vote, in case we actually find and lynch scum instead of me
So why repeatedly defend yourself rather than find some scum in the next three and a half hours?
On March 05 2019 05:28 Trfel wrote: @rsoultin, I disagree, but fair enough, thanks.I've posted a quality scumread on Fecalfeast and a quality scumread on [UoN]Sentinel. The longer I think about it the more I like those reads. Both reads show original thought. Please don't just write me off as mafia for being suspicious of someone else earlier and then being busy for a while, but actually look at what I've written and what those two have written and think about their alignments. Then come back and let me know what you think. But don't dismiss me before taking a look for yourself.
quality fucking scumread lmao
Okay I'll bite
On March 05 2019 04:48 Trfel wrote: Voting Palmar for mayor because of all of the mayors' targets I want to see [UoN]Sentinel lynched most. Him having a townread on himself while claiming to have not read his role PM is super suspicious, moreso the more I think about it.
If I don't know my alignment there's a >50% chance I'm town, otherwise this game would be over.
If you're saying I was lying about not reading the PM,
On February 28 2019 10:07 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I will be here but I probably won't get around to reading my role PM until N1
I was planning to do it before game start.
Other than his huge list post he hasn't shown much thought at all, he's been just following the thread sentiment.
Maybe LS was an easy tunnel because he fucked off after I made my case but I didn't see anyone else use that information to help find scum by association. I'm still not sure if Palmar is scum or not because a huge part of my problem with him is that he wants me dead and I'd rather elect a mayor who would lynch scum, i.e. not me. My other problem with him is that tons of people I think are scummy are voting for him with little to no evidence. But of course if he's town and I'm town scum would do that anyway. Anything else you could accuse me of after my big post (i.e. after I knew I was town) is taking one of two sides on any argument. Unless it's 1v34 by your definition that's thread sentiment.
His overall play makes his effort seem fabricated. A few reasons being quoting my reasoning in one area while highly scumreading me in another
I'm assuming you're talking about my case on you in the big post. Your read on SL was correct. In a vacuum it would be a decent post. But you were accusing him of doing things you yourself were guilty of. Combined with other scummy behavior my conclusion was that you are in fact scum.
and more importantly not seeming at all invested in his reads.
I'm not lamp I don't reply to every message with "vote LS". If people disagree with my scum reads I'll defend them. Unless I think they're right in which case I'll drop the issue. That's all the investment you should expect.
If he put all that effort into reading and making his scumreads, he wouldn't not actually push those reads and follow the thread sentiment like a headless chicken.
See above
It feels forced, and like he's trying to use the effort to prove he's town.
It's definitely a selfish play but I think not reading my PM has been a net positive for my scumhunting abilities. That said, it's a selfish play. So clearly the best way I can convince others I'm town and help town is to find scum. Which I have been doing.
I'm really curious about that null read on Palmar Trfel. You think I'm scum. Cool. So you vote Palmar "because of all of the mayors' targets I want to see [UoN]Sentinel lynched most". So how does this work if Palmar is scum and I'm also scum? Why would Palmar not be green in your eyes?
On March 05 2019 05:48 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I'm really curious about that null read on Palmar Trfel. You think I'm scum. Cool. So you vote Palmar "because of all of the mayors' targets I want to see [UoN]Sentinel lynched most". So how does this work if Palmar is scum and I'm also scum? Why would Palmar not be green in your eyes?
I don't do association reads.
And I'm not going to try and convince you that you are mafia. I stand by what I said, everyone else can read your posts and decide for themselves.
I'm not asking you to stop believing I'm mafia. I'm just questioning the validity of your read on Palmar
On March 03 2019 20:12 Palmar wrote: To be fair I mostly like Acro just for these two posts. They're the logical way to play the game.
Kill the policy lynch, continue playing.
On March 03 2019 17:09 Acrofales wrote: Enters Palmar: he claims to feel strongly about killing sent. So let him do it. All you need to decide is if Palmar is townie enough. But if we decide Palmar is townie enough to be mayor then he is free to kill whoever he likes. He sticks with sentinel and sentinel flips scum? We win, yay! Sheep Palmar into Armageddon. Sentinel flips town? We figure out if Palmars policy lynch is an ideological thing or a scum thing. Either way, we get information about Palmar out of this, which is a great thing to get out of D1.
On March 03 2019 17:11 Acrofales wrote: Oh, also, if sent was actually playing and being townie, I'd be more inclined to want him to live. But he has used this "foil" to be an attention whore and cop out of doing anything else so far. Not town play.
@Palmar, let's assume Acro is the leading lynch candidate but your vote could choose somebody else to lynch. Who would you lynch instead of Acro, that isn't Sent?
Palmar's entire post history seems to be super focused on this policy lynch of Sent -- that's it. Town Reads HF, Town Reads Acro. He's not wanting to scum hunt on day 1, but go all in on a policy lynch. I don't think I mind having a strong conviction about the policy lynch, but I think I do mind only green reading other people and only pushing your one policy lynch.
I think Palmar is scum.
I'm with you on the reasoning but I don't see how this is enough to call him scum
On March 05 2019 09:39 marvellosity wrote: didn't actually see what Sentinel did
TL;DR 1. I didn't read my role PM and promised not to read it until N1 2. Palmar pressures me and several people vote for me 3. I read my role PM, see I'm VT, make cases on people 4. Palmar doesn't believe me and says he's going to lynch me anyway
Im finding this play frmo you weird. I get you probably want to wrestle for thread control, but, you self admittedly havnt even verified if palmars claims on sentinel are true.
I wasnt a fan of conversion, and unlike palmar, dont find replacing out to be a townish!tell. Its weird to me, you *appear* to be using town!palmar read as a motive to wrestle against HF.
I will have absolutely no thread control
I will have very limited time to post at work, I have company tomorrow night.
So all I can do is say what I saw in the run up to the lynch.
Who needs to verify what Palmar said? The net of it was Sentinel made some dumb play based on his role PM and then he backed down from it like a pussy
Anyone who played with Sentinel a bit would know he would continue being a total asshat about it if he was town, I don't need to read exactly how it went down
Back from a trip to the consulate and finishing a 17-page homework assignment.
If anyone wants to know anything about CIR models I'm your guy. Maybe if Europe makes its interest rates positive again they'll even be useful outside of the classroom.
Anyways, catching up about 25 pages worth of thread.
1. I lean green on Tictock 2. I lean red on MZ 3. Jock had a bad post 4. Acro had bad posts 5. Chez has bad posts and is running interference 6. Sentinel's town read is prescient of his role. The man in the gif holds up 5 fingers which means it's a 5/5 play 7. Actually Tictock might be red 8. Oats is bad but not red
This is literally at the bottom of his reads list.
On March 06 2019 02:42 Holyflare wrote: Can someone explain why sentinel is mafia other than using the words he didn't read his role PM?
Look at his big post and try explaining to me what happened to his Oats scum lean, or how even what he wrote about it makes the slightest sense.
1. I lean green on Tictock 2. I lean red on MZ 3. Jock had a bad post 4. Acro had bad posts 5. Chez has bad posts and is running interference 6. Sentinel's town read is prescient of his role. The man in the gif holds up 5 fingers which means it's a 5/5 play 7. Actually Tictock might be red 8. Oats is bad but not red
This is literally at the bottom of his reads list.
On March 05 2019 01:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Oats hasn't changed much beyond the dart throwing. I still don't see how that makes him scum.
That was my summary of iamp's reads, not my own takes. The oats take was my take.
On March 06 2019 02:42 Holyflare wrote: Can someone explain why sentinel is mafia other than using the words he didn't read his role PM?
Look at his big post and try explaining to me what happened to his Oats scum lean, or how even what he wrote about it makes the slightest sense.
1. I lean green on Tictock 2. I lean red on MZ 3. Jock had a bad post 4. Acro had bad posts 5. Chez has bad posts and is running interference 6. Sentinel's town read is prescient of his role. The man in the gif holds up 5 fingers which means it's a 5/5 play 7. Actually Tictock might be red 8. Oats is bad but not red
This is literally at the bottom of his reads list.
On March 05 2019 01:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Oats hasn't changed much beyond the dart throwing. I still don't see how that makes him scum.
That was my summary of iamp's reads, not my own takes. The oats take was my take.
Ok, but there's more then. You didn't specify your Oats lean in the post, it looks like you missed out a word like scum lean.
On March 05 2019 01:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Oats hasn't changed much beyond the dart throwing. I still don't see how that makes him scum.
Your oats summary is in direct contradiction with what you said after it with nothing else changing in between. Why?
Oh I see what you mean. Here's the paragraph
I think if you lean red on everyone it's only slightly better than leaning green on everyone. I'd almost call it a scum play Oats does put pressure on HF. I'd still lean Oats because even with that pressure he doesn't commit to any sort of scum team besides "half the thread", at least in any meaningful way to advance the game.
There's actually two parts missing. "I'd almost call it a scum play [but] Oats does put pressure on HF. I'd still lean [red on] Oats because even with..."
That being said, it's the slightest of scum leans and I never grouped him in my lynch targets like Trfel, LS, etc.
On a related note, skimming LS's posts I am getting a much more town vibe than before, but I only got this vibe long after someone said "LS is looking more town now". I think at the time he was sheeping yet another read. I don't know LS as much as some of you but even though I'm not ready to tunnel him at the moment I do think some of you guys are cutting him too much slack.
On March 06 2019 02:42 Holyflare wrote: Can someone explain why sentinel is mafia other than using the words he didn't read his role PM?
Look at his big post and try explaining to me what happened to his Oats scum lean, or how even what he wrote about it makes the slightest sense.
1. I lean green on Tictock 2. I lean red on MZ 3. Jock had a bad post 4. Acro had bad posts 5. Chez has bad posts and is running interference 6. Sentinel's town read is prescient of his role. The man in the gif holds up 5 fingers which means it's a 5/5 play 7. Actually Tictock might be red 8. Oats is bad but not red
This is literally at the bottom of his reads list.
On March 05 2019 01:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Oats hasn't changed much beyond the dart throwing. I still don't see how that makes him scum.
That was my summary of iamp's reads, not my own takes. The oats take was my take.
On March 06 2019 09:27 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 06 2019 02:45 Holyflare wrote:
On March 06 2019 02:43 Vivax wrote:
On March 06 2019 02:42 Holyflare wrote: Can someone explain why sentinel is mafia other than using the words he didn't read his role PM?
Look at his big post and try explaining to me what happened to his Oats scum lean, or how even what he wrote about it makes the slightest sense.
1. I lean green on Tictock 2. I lean red on MZ 3. Jock had a bad post 4. Acro had bad posts 5. Chez has bad posts and is running interference 6. Sentinel's town read is prescient of his role. The man in the gif holds up 5 fingers which means it's a 5/5 play 7. Actually Tictock might be red 8. Oats is bad but not red
This is literally at the bottom of his reads list.
On March 05 2019 01:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Oats hasn't changed much beyond the dart throwing. I still don't see how that makes him scum.
That was my summary of iamp's reads, not my own takes. The oats take was my take.
Ok, but there's more then. You didn't specify your Oats lean in the post, it looks like you missed out a word like scum lean.
Then you come out with:
On March 05 2019 01:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Oats hasn't changed much beyond the dart throwing. I still don't see how that makes him scum.
Your oats summary is in direct contradiction with what you said after it with nothing else changing in between. Why?
Oh I see what you mean. Here's the paragraph
I think if you lean red on everyone it's only slightly better than leaning green on everyone. I'd almost call it a scum play Oats does put pressure on HF. I'd still lean Oats because even with that pressure he doesn't commit to any sort of scum team besides "half the thread", at least in any meaningful way to advance the game.
There's actually two parts missing. "I'd almost call it a scum play [but] Oats does put pressure on HF. I'd still lean [red on] Oats because even with..."
That being said, it's the slightest of scum leans and I never grouped him in my lynch targets like Trfel, LS, etc.
On a related note, skimming LS's posts I am getting a much more town vibe than before, but I only got this vibe long after someone said "LS is looking more town now". I think at the time he was sheeping yet another read. I don't know LS as much as some of you but even though I'm not ready to tunnel him at the moment I do think some of you guys are cutting him too much slack.
If Oats is a scum lean why do you call him town later when you say nothing has changed?
"I don't see how that makes him scum" isn't a town read. It's me not wanting to scum read him because I don't see enough evidence to do so.
On March 05 2019 05:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Conversion seems more like busy townie with 1 scum read who tries to push that scum read as some sort of contribution to the thread rather than active scum lurker
If only because I've been busy with interviews as well
On March 05 2019 04:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What's with the BH train? If you want to kill a hardcore lurker like that why not use the mayor lynch? I don't see the benefit
Because BH is not your typical lurker. IMHO it's like foolishness or sandroba lurking. They hate playing scum, so just don't.
Even assuming this is true the only way this makes sense is if we have absolutely no other candidates to lynch. BH has barely defended himself and he's barely posted in the thread which means we barely get any information when we learn his role except maybe who sheeped his vote.
I'd rather lynch scum than "information". God, you're really trying to dig yourself into this hole, aren't you? :O
No, you'd rather pick an easy lynch based off activity rather than trying to figure out who all the scum are.
Lol. Hi pot.
Here are my scumreads rn
LS Damdred Tictock Trfel
I'm fine with lynching any of the four and I want whoever I do lynch to say as much as they can before they die so that maybe I can learn something useful
On March 06 2019 02:59 Vivax wrote: Basically he let BH off the hook way too easily for it to be town iamp.
"if BH doesn't get lynched TL mafia is ded" to '"Let's vote the guy who's going to kill Palmar"
Why are you misrepresenting what happened. I screamed at every player in the game to vote bh.
It's clear I'm town and you not being able to see that is extremely confusing as we've played a few games together. My play is basically the opposite of my scum play in this game
On March 06 2019 09:27 Holyflare wrote: At least we gather some vote d1 vote swap information. The conversion slot, the one that saved BH for no discernible reason (as well as Vivax I guess) was town. If Vivax is town, he's in a great spot to know that there was no mafia last minute shenanigan to save BH and thus BH is likely town.
On March 06 2019 09:10 Vivax wrote: ##Vote: BH
He's auto voted BH though so he's probably not that smart.
This seems stupid to me. BH knows he's gonna be lynched when he begins shitting the thread with all the "policy me!" posts. Mafia had time to discuss and prepare for it. Some probably voted him, some probably didn't, whatever, I don't think any kind of vote analysis will be very strong after the moment BH starts martyring. Now after that, scum are always pretty unlikely do switch at deadline. That attracts attention, and scum does not like attention. Now it depdends on the player ofc, but most won't switch at deadline, even to save a partner. Add to that that BH is not even a strong player worth saving, and knows he's gonna get lynched sooner or later. So in my mind, this part is stupid: "there was no mafia last minute shenanigan to save BH and thus BH is likely town".
I think I've actually only been mislynched once or twice in my career on TL Mafia. I may not be a particularly accurate catcher of scum, but historically I would put up a hell of a fight as town if people tried to lynch me.
So how does that square with asking for a policy lynch?
On March 07 2019 10:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sentinel i think is town. When i was mafia wiith him (the infamous Noir game where you fakeclaimed medic twice) he had serious issues putting together even ANY single post. I basically played the game for him. I can see why people think he is scummy even after he read his role but i think even that is out of his mafia posting range.
On March 07 2019 10:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sentinel i think is town. When i was mafia wiith him (the infamous Noir game where you fakeclaimed medic twice) he had serious issues putting together even ANY single post. I basically played the game for him. I can see why people think he is scummy even after he read his role but i think even that is out of his mafia posting range.
My ass you did
Well obviously not completely but i told you numerous times on how go engage the thread and shit. Ofc everyone is capable of writing posts within guidelines.
You were definitely an impromptu mentor that game and I fell apart at least twice. Pretty sure that was the game I managed to gaslight people into thinking yamato was scum despite playing textbook town though
On March 07 2019 11:07 Oatsmaster wrote: Mocsta, Ace is really scummy and I would Lynch him after hf and bh die. So I was like he’s too scummy to be scum but then I was like he’s really scummy though and then I was like if I remove his name would I lynch and then I was like yeah so yeah he mafia
Hi oats, one more thing please.
Do you think HF and BH are both scum?
I can see a world where you want one of HF/BH over Ace. but I dont understand why both.
Why not?
Bh was useless, lamp was like let’s go and everyone followed then bh marytred but in the end, holyflare didn’t mayor kill BH so why can’t they both be mafia?
if you could mayor lynch one of HF/BH right now.
Do you think one is more likely to flip scum?
I'm reading acro's big post and I'm not finding any fault with the logic yet. So on one hand I now have a read read on HF but on the other hand the entire case is predicated on BH being scum.
I don't see anything redeeming with BH at the moment either (especially after admitting that as town he fights to avoid getting mislynched - this game definitely felt like it was done for him rather than him doing the fighting).
I think at this point lynching HF would be more beneficial to town based on at least D1/early N1 actions. I haven't been around for a lot of the last two days but it seems HF was outright malicious whereas BH has kinda been playing dumb. So I'm voting HF.
On March 07 2019 11:07 Oatsmaster wrote: Mocsta, Ace is really scummy and I would Lynch him after hf and bh die. So I was like he’s too scummy to be scum but then I was like he’s really scummy though and then I was like if I remove his name would I lynch and then I was like yeah so yeah he mafia
Hi oats, one more thing please.
Do you think HF and BH are both scum?
I can see a world where you want one of HF/BH over Ace. but I dont understand why both.
Why not?
Bh was useless, lamp was like let’s go and everyone followed then bh marytred but in the end, holyflare didn’t mayor kill BH so why can’t they both be mafia?
if you could mayor lynch one of HF/BH right now.
Do you think one is more likely to flip scum?
I'm reading acro's big post and I'm not finding any fault with the logic yet. So on one hand I now have a read read on HF but on the other hand the entire case is predicated on BH being scum.
I don't see anything redeeming with BH at the moment either (especially after admitting that as town he fights to avoid getting mislynched - this game definitely felt like it was done for him rather than him doing the fighting).
I think at this point lynching HF would be more beneficial to town based on at least D1/early N1 actions. I haven't been around for a lot of the last two days but it seems HF was outright malicious whereas BH has kinda been playing dumb. So I'm voting HF.
On March 07 2019 11:07 Oatsmaster wrote: Mocsta, Ace is really scummy and I would Lynch him after hf and bh die. So I was like he’s too scummy to be scum but then I was like he’s really scummy though and then I was like if I remove his name would I lynch and then I was like yeah so yeah he mafia
Hi oats, one more thing please.
Do you think HF and BH are both scum?
I can see a world where you want one of HF/BH over Ace. but I dont understand why both.
Why not?
Bh was useless, lamp was like let’s go and everyone followed then bh marytred but in the end, holyflare didn’t mayor kill BH so why can’t they both be mafia?
if you could mayor lynch one of HF/BH right now.
Do you think one is more likely to flip scum?
I'm reading acro's big post and I'm not finding any fault with the logic yet. So on one hand I now have a read read on HF but on the other hand the entire case is predicated on BH being scum.
I don't see anything redeeming with BH at the moment either (especially after admitting that as town he fights to avoid getting mislynched - this game definitely felt like it was done for him rather than him doing the fighting).
I think at this point lynching HF would be more beneficial to town based on at least D1/early N1 actions. I haven't been around for a lot of the last two days but it seems HF was outright malicious whereas BH has kinda been playing dumb. So I'm voting HF.
That is a terrible post and none of it makes hf mafia. He would have been lying aboit host actions which os something hf never does in million years. Also why are you voting for him if yoi think he os ONLY mafia IF bh is? Thats not how it works dude..
Again, with exhibit A in particular I don't see why HF wouldn't switch his vote onto BH if there was a strong chance BH wouldn't've been lynched due to personal business or otherwise and then claim he would've if he could've
On March 07 2019 11:07 Oatsmaster wrote: Mocsta, Ace is really scummy and I would Lynch him after hf and bh die. So I was like he’s too scummy to be scum but then I was like he’s really scummy though and then I was like if I remove his name would I lynch and then I was like yeah so yeah he mafia
Hi oats, one more thing please.
Do you think HF and BH are both scum?
I can see a world where you want one of HF/BH over Ace. but I dont understand why both.
Why not?
Bh was useless, lamp was like let’s go and everyone followed then bh marytred but in the end, holyflare didn’t mayor kill BH so why can’t they both be mafia?
if you could mayor lynch one of HF/BH right now.
Do you think one is more likely to flip scum?
I'm reading acro's big post and I'm not finding any fault with the logic yet. So on one hand I now have a read read on HF but on the other hand the entire case is predicated on BH being scum.
I don't see anything redeeming with BH at the moment either (especially after admitting that as town he fights to avoid getting mislynched - this game definitely felt like it was done for him rather than him doing the fighting).
I think at this point lynching HF would be more beneficial to town based on at least D1/early N1 actions. I haven't been around for a lot of the last two days but it seems HF was outright malicious whereas BH has kinda been playing dumb. So I'm voting HF.
That is a terrible post and none of it makes hf mafia. He would have been lying aboit host actions which os something hf never does in million years. Also why are you voting for him if yoi think he os ONLY mafia IF bh is? Thats not how it works dude..
Again, with exhibit A in particular I don't see why HF wouldn't switch his vote onto BH if there was a strong chance BH wouldn't've been lynched due to personal business or otherwise and then claim he would've if he could've
I dont understand
The things I got from that were the following claims, all from BH:
1. If he knew BH was not getting lynched he would have absolutely switched it to him but it was already locked in 2. He got a message saying Palmar was going to be lynched 3. He wanted to lynch Palmar anyway and was too tired to care
The issue between all three of these statements being true is at any time a quick look at the voting thread would be enough to see who's getting lynched.
On March 07 2019 12:07 Grackaroni wrote: Yeah its kind of confusing. As far as I can tell this is what Vivax/Acro were saying:
The reason there was a blank spot after the lean was that Sentinel was still deciding how he wanted to read Oats after already writing all of his points that should have been what prompted him to make the read.
Later in the thread Sentinel gives contradictory reads on Oats from the same information:
On March 06 2019 02:42 Holyflare wrote: Can someone explain why sentinel is mafia other than using the words he didn't read his role PM?
Look at his big post and try explaining to me what happened to his Oats scum lean, or how even what he wrote about it makes the slightest sense.
1. I lean green on Tictock 2. I lean red on MZ 3. Jock had a bad post 4. Acro had bad posts 5. Chez has bad posts and is running interference 6. Sentinel's town read is prescient of his role. The man in the gif holds up 5 fingers which means it's a 5/5 play 7. Actually Tictock might be red 8. Oats is bad but not red
This is literally at the bottom of his reads list.
On March 05 2019 01:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Oats hasn't changed much beyond the dart throwing. I still don't see how that makes him scum.
That was my summary of iamp's reads, not my own takes. The oats take was my take.
On March 06 2019 09:27 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 06 2019 02:45 Holyflare wrote:
On March 06 2019 02:43 Vivax wrote:
On March 06 2019 02:42 Holyflare wrote: Can someone explain why sentinel is mafia other than using the words he didn't read his role PM?
Look at his big post and try explaining to me what happened to his Oats scum lean, or how even what he wrote about it makes the slightest sense.
1. I lean green on Tictock 2. I lean red on MZ 3. Jock had a bad post 4. Acro had bad posts 5. Chez has bad posts and is running interference 6. Sentinel's town read is prescient of his role. The man in the gif holds up 5 fingers which means it's a 5/5 play 7. Actually Tictock might be red 8. Oats is bad but not red
This is literally at the bottom of his reads list.
On March 05 2019 01:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Oats hasn't changed much beyond the dart throwing. I still don't see how that makes him scum.
That was my summary of iamp's reads, not my own takes. The oats take was my take.
Ok, but there's more then. You didn't specify your Oats lean in the post, it looks like you missed out a word like scum lean.
Then you come out with:
On March 05 2019 01:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Oats hasn't changed much beyond the dart throwing. I still don't see how that makes him scum.
Your oats summary is in direct contradiction with what you said after it with nothing else changing in between. Why?
Oh I see what you mean. Here's the paragraph
I think if you lean red on everyone it's only slightly better than leaning green on everyone. I'd almost call it a scum play Oats does put pressure on HF. I'd still lean Oats because even with that pressure he doesn't commit to any sort of scum team besides "half the thread", at least in any meaningful way to advance the game.
There's actually two parts missing. "I'd almost call it a scum play [but] Oats does put pressure on HF. I'd still lean [red on] Oats because even with..."
That being said, it's the slightest of scum leans and I never grouped him in my lynch targets like Trfel, LS, etc.
On a related note, skimming LS's posts I am getting a much more town vibe than before, but I only got this vibe long after someone said "LS is looking more town now". I think at the time he was sheeping yet another read. I don't know LS as much as some of you but even though I'm not ready to tunnel him at the moment I do think some of you guys are cutting him too much slack.
Are you just summarizing or making the argument again?
If it's the second one, let me rephrase that a little more clearly. What I did for most of those reads, including Oats and for example Trfel was I gave my thoughts on all the things I could find on them and then added them up to give my conclusion at that time. With Oats if I had to pick green or red I would have picked red but in reality it was such a close read to null that I didn't even bother grouping it with my scumreads. On a scale of -10 (scum) to 10 (town) it would've been maybe a -0.5.
With that in mind I didn't see a lot of evidence going forward to push that number down enough where I can say he's scum for sure. I usually hold off on saying scum in these cases. Especially since it turned out one of my biggest scum reads at the end of D1 flipped blue.
Ok reread with the timing of the votes in mind and actually I take back my opinions on the Acro post, it def seems like reaching. Guess I'm going with my other one
On March 07 2019 12:48 Rels wrote: oh yeah I understand what you mean, even better! He read TT posts, thinks he's town, then uses them later to explain his scumread
On March 04 2019 03:43 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I think if you lean red on everyone it's only slightly better than leaning green on everyone. I'd almost call it a scum play Oats does put pressure on HF. I'd still lean Oats because even with that pressure he doesn't commit to any sort of scum team besides "half the thread", at least in any meaningful way to advance the game.
On March 05 2019 01:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Oats hasn't changed much beyond the dart throwing. I still don't see how that makes him scum.
On March 06 2019 09:53 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: There's actually two parts missing. "I'd almost call it a scum play [but] Oats does put pressure on HF. I'd still lean [red on] Oats because even with..."
That being said, it's the slightest of scum leans and I never grouped him in my lynch targets like Trfel, LS, etc.
meh. Maybe. It's kinda weak
Honestly I've been mostly going just off Palmar/Marv's take on Sentinel for my read so far but I'm wading into his filter now and it's really not pretty.
Read here:
On March 03 2019 00:07 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Stale takes by this point but I have town reads on TT and myself and I'm behind vigging Exo
@rsoultin I'm pretty sure Chez shitposts in every thread regardless of alignment. What makes him scum in this particular case?
His read on TT is In line with thread sentiment as he said in the post. Later in his big reads post he drops a scum read on TT based off the same early game posts that he already read when he called TT town the first time. (note the timestamps.)
On March 02 2019 10:27 Damdred wrote: LS is town, that is all.
More when I get home and find a town circle to kill from within.
Ehh, I can't make up my mind what I want to say about this, I agree with him (which typically gives me townfeels for Damdred) but this feels like an easy, "free" read and post from Damdred. For some reason was noteworty to me... idk.
Great detective work! I would love to have you on my team as lead investigator! I will be sure that the corporate office hear of this amazing discovery!
Best, Chezinu Isunizehc
Why does this game irrelevant post get praise from you Chez?
On March 02 2019 10:33 LightningStrike wrote: Me and Damdred aren't masons even though I wish we were masons
Honest to a fault... Totes town.
Willing to give solid townleans on Trefl and LS, and a minor townlean on Damdred thus far. I've also got a bit of a gutread on FF at this point, but I'm not sharing it yet.
What's interesting here is that the foundation of all of this is LS's first three posts. I don't know which three posts qualify but up to the "me and Damdred aren't masons" LS has posted nothing of substance, town or not.
Damdy is town because he agrees with LS. He's masons with LS and LS is town so they can't be scum together. Oops LS isn't a mason but LS is town and Damdy is still town because he said LS is town.
LS can be a hard player to read, but all these posts are honest sadness that people are starting to play for real and not just joke around and shoot the breeze as many recent games have started.
Not saying I have some kinda God-Read on him or anything, but that is how I try to and what I get from those posts.
So all of his town reads by association come from a belief that LS is honest. And that belief is predicated on the fact that LS was joking around.
HF seems to be posting to post and I don't like it, but it's not really a scum read right now. It's just him coasting.
Speaking of my Watch List, I think it's something like this right now: ... HF (just not comfortable with him just floating around the game making no impact, yet being relatively present)
On March 03 2019 13:47 Tictock wrote: Ok, I came, I saw, I did some things. Seems like ppl are not around so gunna do other things. May check in once more before bed but I am pretty sure I am not going to fully read the stuff I missed.
I'd like someone who is wanting to lynch oats to convince me why he is scum.
Similarly as to why ppl are voting HF for mayor.
If deadline was right now/soon I would push for Meap or Grack to lynch.
I don't like this post because he started with a gutread on her and acted off that information throughout the game, leading to the conclusion: rsoultin is town. It cheapens the value of all the evidence he posts afterward to support the fact rsoultin is town.
Leaning red
man did TT really post nothing between these 2 posts ??? this is looking mych better
Everything that Sentinel later quotes for TT being scum occur before Sentinel town reads him. The one thing I'll say is that he takes a hard stance towards LS in his big post and maybe that causes him to re-evaluate, but I'm still pretty suspicious of his town read in the first place then if he dislikes those posts so much.
Okay that is quite damning.
Sentinel explain?
It was a one off post before I read my PM after mostly skimming the thread. Taking a look into TT when I was compiling my reads made me change my mind. Grack is definitely reading too much into that first post where I call TT town
On March 04 2019 03:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: EBWOP: I put thoughts on Ace before he returned to the thread. Obviously now I'm going to have to reevaluate him.
then you didn't? Like, ever
Someday. Probably Friday when I stop getting barraged by homework and exams. I still have to do a proper Acro read as well.
That's a shitload of lynches and I'm honestly surprised Damdred is town. Also surprised Blazinghand is town. Maybe I should just pick scum and then treat those people as confirmed town.
I promised you all Ace and Acro reads so I'll start working on those as well.
On March 05 2019 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Wait. I go to fucking work then sleep and come back to this clusterfuck? Why for the love of god are we lynching Palmar of all fucking people. You may hate his fucking guts right now but of all the "vet" or big name players in this game hes actually put in more effort than anyone fucking else.
Do you disagree with his reads? Likely. Do I? On some of them yes. But the guy is clearly playing for the town. Have any of you guys played with him? or remember games with him? He does this shit consistently with town. He polarizes everyone in the game for or against him to get reads / generate discussion. Sometimes it may just be because hes being an asshole or believes hes better than you.
So no I am not down for lynching him -_-
If you were going to off an old school player at this point just to do it you'd be better served with offing Me, Ace, BH, or MZ tbh. We all have done basically nothing in comparison.
We as an entire group have literally designed a day that lets mafia just slide by and do sweet fuck all and based on thread sentiment could get away with it for way way way too long. Sure you could after the fact try and harass suspects for reasons but basically everyone can regurgitate the same horseshit and you get borderline nothing.
So. HF get the fuck off Palmar. You may hate his fucking guts / think hes the worlds shittiest player but the guy is clearly attempting to help the town at this point and has done far more to push that then most in this game.
How about instead we look into this pool.
Onegu Why? 1) Says he will be try hard. Is clearly not thus is not living up to what he said he would attempt. 2) Reads currently given have no substance to them 3) Clearly skirting by the activity requirements 4) Basically just has posts with 0 content
Iamperfection
I have already brought him up in my last analysis post. Basically it is very similar however to expand on it.
On March 04 2019 05:40 iamperfection wrote:
On March 04 2019 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: My response is more or less going to be impacted by your response to my question.
i probably wont give my full reads until tomorrow.
i think your probably town though cause i think your confused by my play and are trying to figure out my alignment
Since I have been waiting now for awhile to see what reads he has. Let me sum it up for you. He hasn't posted any of value. Why? Because he hasnt posted any reasonable reasons. He has also asked for what? 3 vig shots now on players Someone like this whos played as long as he had know better. This isn't behaviour IMO of a townie. Its scum.
This post reeks. Why would you pop up near EOD to post this? You even segregated players and faked outrage. Heavy FoS here.
Knowing now BC was scum, it's important to point out Ace was the second one to have a problem with this post, after iamperfection. But iamp was mad about BC's reads on him and Onegu. Ace's main point is that BC is scum.
His initial attack on Holyflare seems honest enough on the surface. He attacks him after the D1 lynch, then comes back two days later with more reasons
The nightkills - 3 dead. All Town. I refuse, literally refuse to think a vigilante shot any of them over Holyfield. Like it seems unfathomable that the targets would end up at Marv, Iamp, or Koshi (lol wut?). Especially with one being Vet and dying (maybe Rb + shot). If there's a third party out there, I think it goes without saying you should start shooting scum or clashing flips from now on
Lastly, I saw something about marv playing cop wrong. I actually think he made himself "obvious town" or whatever you want to call it and should have drawn night protection. Especially since he was a replacement with fresh eyes into the game. Maybe we have no more docs or the kill went through somehow. Either way I think it's worth backtracking him and iamps posts (-2 nightlife means very desperate kill) especially.
including this extrapolation. If it's town Ace it's pretty insightful because I learned something new. It could be scum Ace in which case he's got the benefit of hindsight (and knowing exactly whether or not a vig shot those players). The other thing I notice here is that if I were vig and I didn't know BH was town, I'd probably shoot BH at this point in time (as in, N1). It's a compelling case Ace makes but I'm not sure if it would've been enough to make me shoot Holyflare Night 1.
On March 06 2019 17:24 Holyflare wrote: BH who is just sitting there with the most information in the game about his wagon and instead he's still just repeating to kill him.
A) I actually have not asked to be lynched today B) the only extra information I have is that I'm town, and presumably people fall into two categories:
1) people who think I am town and so have just as much information as I do 2) people who think I am scum, and i'm not sure i'd convince such people that I have "more information" than them just by asserting I am town
I just caught this, and I feel like this is a needle in townish direction, especially since I read it after the post I made quoting this from HF. Could be scum BH but way more probable a Townie makes this most post. Fuck, I feel like most of my posts are anti-HF and I'm tunneling too hard and looking for confirmation bias :/
*sees HF reply to this post*
So much WIFOM spam, Town hero fallacy, and guilt tripping. Nah fuck that. Keep the lynch train going. Just too many things that push HF into obvious scum.
I had the opposite take on that BH post.
Suppose for a minute Ace is scum. I don't think the bolded is enough of an out in case he gets Holyflare lynched and has to justify his actions somehow. At this point I'm certain they're not scum together, but just off of the Ace-HF dynamic alone there doesn't seem to be anything that would disqualify scum Ace coming into the thread to tunnel town HF. It's entirely dependent either on how you view Holyflare (him scum -> Ace town) or potentially by taking into account Ace's other posts.
Trust me, if I abandoned somebody it would be Koshi.
Well at least he's confirmed town now
This?!
Thanks for pointing it out. I don't understand the jump unless you already know koshi is town. I thought it was a joke being returned at Kita. But you were serious? TMI shining through.
Add it to the many small reasons you a re mafia and we really need to kill you.
I think he's town and just doing some little anti-town things. Seems like the kind of guy who has to be the centre of attention and that would fit.
Please for the love of god explain to me how lying multiple times is only a little anti town?
Legit LOL. I know for a fact BC nearly slammed his skull into the computer. Even if he's scum writing this he's like WTF?
Prescient
On March 09 2019 00:57 Ace wrote: There are follow ups to that plan. I've explained it - the Mayor vote was just a way for me to tie any of the candidates to a strong stance and on whom to lynch. Whatever action they took or wouldn't take after making that stance clear determined my approach to them.
Once I found HFs reasons for killing Palmar ridiculous he was Scum for me. Day 2, even when forgetting all of Day 1 also read Scum for me. Middle of Day 2, let's say 8 hours or so before EoD HFs wagon is getting derailed. It's not even just the moronic votes for BH either. You have people making cases as reasons to vote for anyone but HF lol. While it seems easy to say Blazinghand was more probable to flip Town than Scum, I can somewhat see people thinking he's a good lynch if they are to totally lost on to what's going on. However, some of that lynch BH stuff came from people active in the thread. Which shows that they are reading the thread but not for comprehension . And you don't need to check the voting times to see it either. But killing HF is step 1.
I'm actually curious about this as someone who was totally lost during those few days. And the quoted post actually acknowledges it but I don't think it's possible to get an answer that isn't clouded by hindsight. Why exactly was BH more probable to flip town?
On March 09 2019 04:45 Ace wrote: Well I can't do what I want correctly and may not be around before EoN so I'll try and get everything out now 😋.
First just some general thoughts. If we do not see a Scum death tonight and the 3KP holds up, we are starting Day 3 with at most 26 alive. Looking at it that way my previous post about KP is easily incorrect 😁. They really do probably need that much KP or 3rd party to wittle down 19/20 remaining people (doubt there are more than 6 scum in this game). That's in addition to town KP.
Anyone who is saying they think Holyflare is scum but won't lynch him because it's going to be too difficult and should be saved for LYLO is pretty much not worth keeping around. Cops and vigis should get their utmost attention. For whatever reasons that Holyflare will be alive Day 3, this support block needs to be eradicated. At this point I literally do not care that HF can possibly flip Town - he is detrimental to our win condition. Of course I find him funny so I would like to keep him around but I also want to win.
Consistency
Additionally for cops, it's about to be Day 3 which means if you live you got off 2 investigations. If no Scum are dead going into the Day I think you should consider revealing results. Especially true if you've found scum. If you can clear Town that's also just as good. Some ppl would say hold your investigation unless your check is being lynched and you can't save them through discussion. There's also the belief of waiting till near deadline or late into the next night to reveal stuff. Whatever path you want to take do not let a known innocent die, a known scum escape the noose, or die without revealing your stuff. We've already lost 6 people as of this post and based on the discussion going on I'd only trust maybe 3 people to figure shit out.
I've already said 2 of these people are scum. This is the BH wagon. Now we obviously know some townies are lazy or were duped into thinking this was even a good idea. I doubt anyone seriously reading this game would think BH was ever a real suspect. Myself and others echoed this during Day 2. On Day 1 I prodded BH to stay in the game not only because I have good memories of him in past games and iirc modding, but I know scum would just pile on the easy mislynch and misguided townies would follow. I would expect BC to pick up on this because he's a very good player and of course he did. Doesn't mean he isn't scum but someone caring about the nature of the lynch is probably Town. Of course I've currently got a Town read on Vivax too. Fuck me if either of them are Scum 🤦🏼♂️.
See above
Oh shit I was rambling whoops. Back to that BH wagon. I'd cross reference it for the HF vote wagon but I think that should be the last thing to do. Instead I'm going to check the timing of their vote, look at where they showed reasoning for the vote in the thread and see what was going on in the thread at the time. For example that one scummer that showed up, said he read 2 of BHs posts, would be gone, and just voted and really did lay low. Some will say that's just bad Town play but I dont think all but the worst players couldn't be bothered to read more than two posts from someone they suspect.
So that's the way I'm going to go about this. Deadline is in about 4 hours so hopefully I'll be free to get this done. If there is anything you can take from this post if you can't read: vote Ace for Mayor 😎
It's a good case. I can imagine a scum Ace making the case but I don't see any prevailing evidence over town Ace making it. But really the thing that pushes Ace into a green lean for me is that first post where he called out BC.
So to answer your question Rels, I don't see anything wrong with Ace, or any reason I would intentionally avoid him.
EoD1 votes with conrfirmed flips and claims so ya BC wasted his vote on a throwaway on iamp and town was scattered all over the place on the two lynch wagons Day 1. Ace,Pandain,MZ, Chezinu, and Onegu wasted their votes Day 1. might have a scum within those throw away votes since town was so scattered it's a safe play to do that.
Both wagons were town. I don't think just from the votes you can make any inference about where the scum are.
Scum know who HF is. If he's one of them it doesn't really matter who the mayor is between him and Palmar to scum because a townie gets lynched either way. If he's town it doesn't matter either but scum would have to take him at his word that he wants to lynch Palmar. Even if he did follow through on the BH lynch that's also a townie.
EoD1 votes with conrfirmed flips and claims so ya BC wasted his vote on a throwaway on iamp and town was scattered all over the place on the two lynch wagons Day 1. Ace,Pandain,MZ, Chezinu, and Onegu wasted their votes Day 1. might have a scum within those throw away votes since town was so scattered it's a safe play to do that.
Both wagons were town. I don't think just from the votes you can make any inference about where the scum are.
Scum know who HF is. If he's one of them it doesn't really matter who the mayor is between him and Palmar to scum because a townie gets lynched either way. If he's town it doesn't matter either but scum would have to take him at his word that he wants to lynch Palmar. Even if he did follow through on the BH lynch that's also a townie.
Throwaway votes is usually scum indicating though in a TvT wagon though but I think scum is also within those 2 wagons since it's easy to blend in when it's TvT. Ya fair play about HF I wish we had a cop check on him >.<
BC was on one of the two D2, one of the two mayor wagons D1 and he really had a grudge against iamp so that was his D1 lynch pick. I don't disbelieve there weren't scum in either of the two wagons but as scum you could pretty much pick anyone and vote for them in those kinds of conditions.
EoD1 votes with conrfirmed flips and claims so ya BC wasted his vote on a throwaway on iamp and town was scattered all over the place on the two lynch wagons Day 1. Ace,Pandain,MZ, Chezinu, and Onegu wasted their votes Day 1. might have a scum within those throw away votes since town was so scattered it's a safe play to do that.
Both wagons were town. I don't think just from the votes you can make any inference about where the scum are.
Scum know who HF is. If he's one of them it doesn't really matter who the mayor is between him and Palmar to scum because a townie gets lynched either way. If he's town it doesn't matter either but scum would have to take him at his word that he wants to lynch Palmar. Even if he did follow through on the BH lynch that's also a townie.
good post. Written as matter of fact
Concerning..
Why concerning?
its written factually
I.e. scum mentality recap
I don't see how being factual is a bad thing. I'm pretty confident in all the assertions in that paragraph.
On March 09 2019 11:55 Mocsta wrote: The other problem i have is
If town has delayed role Lurker vig Delayed vig Backup cop
Scum needs compensation
Im concerned about rels role
Who did he mason n2?
At first i assumed he was a JOAT hence why i immediately wrote off tumbelweed But now im thinking rels is a scum delay role
Delayed KP? Lmao
I think the delay mechanics are to mitigate some of the randomness. If you just scale a mini-sized game up to however many blues there are in a game of this size you could have a lucky/skilled mafia team take them all out or have them all accidentally lynched. This ensures town isn't completely fucked in the worst of circumstances while not having too many blues early on.
Scum know each other so unless there's a SK or something similar you don't need staggered red roles like you do with blues. Although the delayed vig roles are interesting in that regard. Maybe so they don't kill Trfel type blues early on? But that's definitely the case with the cop + backup cop.
EoD1 votes with conrfirmed flips and claims so ya BC wasted his vote on a throwaway on iamp and town was scattered all over the place on the two lynch wagons Day 1. Ace,Pandain,MZ, Chezinu, and Onegu wasted their votes Day 1. might have a scum within those throw away votes since town was so scattered it's a safe play to do that.
Both wagons were town. I don't think just from the votes you can make any inference about where the scum are.
Scum know who HF is. If he's one of them it doesn't really matter who the mayor is between him and Palmar to scum because a townie gets lynched either way. If he's town it doesn't matter either but scum would have to take him at his word that he wants to lynch Palmar. Even if he did follow through on the BH lynch that's also a townie.
good post. Written as matter of fact
Concerning..
Why concerning?
its written factually
I.e. scum mentality recap
Why you think the bolded out of curiosity?
because its written like a guy going on his first date who didnt warm up before hand
My vibe reading that is its like a post game summary
EoD1 votes with conrfirmed flips and claims so ya BC wasted his vote on a throwaway on iamp and town was scattered all over the place on the two lynch wagons Day 1. Ace,Pandain,MZ, Chezinu, and Onegu wasted their votes Day 1. might have a scum within those throw away votes since town was so scattered it's a safe play to do that.
Both wagons were town. I don't think just from the votes you can make any inference about where the scum are.
Scum know who HF is. If he's one of them it doesn't really matter who the mayor is between him and Palmar to scum because a townie gets lynched either way. If he's town it doesn't matter either but scum would have to take him at his word that he wants to lynch Palmar. Even if he did follow through on the BH lynch that's also a townie.
good post. Written as matter of fact
Concerning..
Why concerning?
its written factually
I.e. scum mentality recap
Why you think the bolded out of curiosity?
because its written like a guy going on his first date who didnt warm up before hand
My vibe reading that is its like a post game summary
How do you warm up before a date?
sure u want me to send through that gif?
If you jerk off before a date you're doing it wrong
On March 04 2019 03:43 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Current list of thoughts. I'll try to keep myself from repeating takes but I didn't write these in order so I might occasionally say the same thing twice, especially if I'm commenting on another player's analysis of a third player.
1) Onegu Onegu's contributions to the thread have been pretty lacking. Up to now all his contributions have been joke reads. But that also seems par for the course for Onegu. I looked at a grand total of two other games for comparison. In Hurricane Shelter he was town and posted like he does now. In Names are Hard 2 he was scum and posted a bunch of reads. So I guess he looks town for now
2) Fecalfeast The good news is there's one theme in his filter and it's "I want to find scum and lynch them". Red reads on chezinu and LS.
3) Holyflare Massive fucking filter. I'm going to skip to the end where he talks to people who aren't me, about me. HF was the first one to accuse me of foul play. Palmar took it and ran from there. Slam has said that already but I'll repeat it here. What I like about HF is at least on the surface his play seems honest
On March 03 2019 23:23 LightningStrike wrote: Going to put a place holder vote on myself and voting Palmar for mayor since I think it's the best option.
Why is palmar the best option? What alignment do you think I am?
He's the best option for mayor because he willing to get rid of a question mark in Sent who I think is just a policy lynch. Dunno about your alignment you're too good I was hoping you and Tina would try to talk to each other.
So why are you not voting me as mayor when i want to mayor vote Sentinel?
On March 03 2019 03:59 Holyflare wrote: I will lynch sentinel this cycle with a mayor vote by the way. Not only are his posts pointless blending but if you want an excuse for a policy lynch he is it.
A good ploicy lynch yes but would rather lynch a for certain scum though over policy lynching someone.
You even contradict yourself here. Now you're willing to allow a mayor to policy lynch sentinel?
in that whole chain he holds LS accountable for sheeping
I would rather elect Palmar and have him lynch Sentinel
Yea the more I think about it, lets do this. ##Elect: Palmar
I think having everyone lynch Sent would be a bit of a waste of Day 1 voting as he is kinda a coinflip (and we might get better information via a different lynch and resulting voting patterns), but am totally down with the Mayor killing him.
Imagine not reading the thread and supporting the guy who has made one or two posts to be mayor when there is someone with a lot of posts advocating the same mayor lynch.
Clearly from my posts, and from me not reading, I did not know what your platform as mayor was.
But to be honest, at this point I just hate you. You berate how I read and catch up, you berate me when I don’t do that. I will just be ignoring you for the rest of the game because I will likely only get angry and possibly tilt if I have to deal with you.
Part of me wants to call you scum because you played with me in the last game where you know this had an effect on me, but here you are doing the exact thing again. Seems like you just don’t want to try and play nice and would rather ruffle my feathers. I choose not to put up with your shit.
I am not berating you as a person. I am merely pointing out that it's a very strange platform for you to follow if someone else had said the exact same thing and yet you didn't bat an eyelid.
If you did not know I said that and have actual personal reasons to not want to vote for me then fine. I am in no way insulting you as a person, nor do I dislike you as a person. I merely dislike the catch up style because it is contrary with how I like to play, which is conversational, which I believe you've refrained from doing with me for a while.
I had genuine points on you this game which you've neglected to answer and then I had seen this vote. Do you think it is in my best interest to just ignore that or push it?
I'm sorry you feel this way about me but I truly don't mean any offense by the way I talk. Honestly, I don't even remember the last game I played with you so that's on me I'm afraid. I hope we can get past this and actually talk about the game.
Unless you are mafia in which case this post is disgusting.
I haven't played the game they're referring to or looked at it, but I agree with the rest of this post. I find myself catching up a lot because like many people in the thread I underestimate the time commitment of this game, but I'd go even further than HF and say that that style is conducive to mafia because it's easier to slip through the cracks. That's not to say everyone who lurks or has other things to do is red, but it is a town strategy to encourage and pressure others to be more active in the thread.
4) Palmar Most of his posts are about lynching me.
I think at this point in the game if you're scum, sheeping Palmar is the best strategy. Why Palmar in particular? He's got a commanding role in the thread and all of his actions look like he's finding scum - for now. The schtick might get a little old if he does literally nothing else and disappears but at least for now it's proactive enough to find at least one suspicious looking player and encourage people to vote for a second one (or give him that power - if he was 100% serious it would be trouble but he's not being 100% serious).
If he's town well then he kills one of his own, and once I flip town suddenly it's all for naught because people are at least a little suspicious of him. The reason you'd sheep him and not oppose him as mafia is because 1) he's already made the anti-Sentinel arguments for you so you don't need to think, and 2) you could always look good and defend me so that when I flip town you can say "I told you so" but as mafia it's dangerous to be right when everyone else isn't, especially if you haven't made a constructive argument for why I'm actually town.
If he's scum it's a pretty safe position since I'm not his teammate and unlike say Rels I've actually posted in this thread from time to time, which gives him just enough rope to hang me. Once I flip he can use the exact same argument to vindicate himself because mistakes happen.
On March 02 2019 12:25 Fecalfeast wrote: why are you a little suspicious of EmZee? You haven't said anything about him yet, have you?
Mainly he been taking some of my stuff out context and making them look worse than what they are. Rayn also had a good point about him too regarding his handling of me and conversion. I want to see more from him though to see if I got his alignment right.
Very noncommittal and seems to be deflecting from himself rather than pressuring MZ.
On March 02 2019 22:39 Vivax wrote: Trfels posts on this page read to me like a bit of minimum effort "scumhunting" coupled with sucking up to rsoultin when poked.
I think you might be reading to much into it? Didn't seem like he was trying to suck it up to Tina at least to me.
On March 02 2019 23:41 LightningStrike wrote: Anyways I think Vivax might be town atm just going to see if he can continue posting since he can't keep it up as scum.
On March 03 2019 11:00 LightningStrike wrote: df seems town, Oats null at best atm wanting more content from him. Palmar not really doing shit but it's the weekend he doesn't do shit on the weekend unless he's scum Day 1. I willing to give FF a Day since he's not being lazy FF. I missing a certain french person and a certain american
Soft defense of darthfoley, no commitment on Oats, wanting to give FF and rayn more time.
On March 03 2019 11:32 LightningStrike wrote: Sent is policy at best I wont lynch him unless there is no better option honestly.
There is literally no better option on day 1 than policy. Those are the best lynches on day 1 because you get rid of trash on a day with no information.
On March 03 2019 11:51 LightningStrike wrote: Sent please read your role pm at some point before EoD would greatly appreciate it. <3
There's two universes here. Let's say you're dead set on believing I'm scum. Town LS should be pressuring me in some way. Palmar's entire platform is "Lynch Sentinel" so the easiest way to do that would be vote Palmar for mayor. Scum LS would be doing everything in his power to save his teammate. Or bus me but obviously he isn't doing that here.
Now let's say you correctly surmise I'm town. Town LS has no way of knowing this and LS hasn't given any reasons as to why I should be town. There is no take up to this point from him that says "Sentinel is town". You can always unvote later. What do you have to lose by not voting for Palmar in an effort to pressure me? And Scum LS would know I'm town, in which case all of the above comes across as a massive out in the event Palmar succeeds and I flip town.
The reason I believe it's the last case - that LS is scum - is because that behavior dovetails very well with his play. All of his reads are null to soft town, never giving too much justification whether or not they're town. He often plays devil's advocate with other people's scum reads and asks people "do you have full faith in your read?" without suggesting any alternatives. Oftentimes he follows this up with "I want to give [suspicious player] more time to post" without actually pressuring the suspicious player in any way. At 5 pages LightningStrike's filter is one of the longest in the game but most of it so far has been this kind of vapid content.
On March 03 2019 23:15 LightningStrike wrote: Also the Sent train is a big concerning considering I thought we were going to use our mayor thing on him instead of lynching him?
And yet he didn't vote for a mayor (still!) despite admitting "Palmar wants to use his mayor thing on Sent"
On March 03 2019 23:28 LightningStrike wrote: But for real though Sent is null at best. I don't think Oats is mafia compared to his last game he actually got some reasoning for his reads instead of just saying why something is bad/mafia. I think Tina is still Town and same with Vivax and Rayn. I kinda want to give a attempt of a sicklucker read and say he's town to make it a tiny bit easier for myself since he did claimed scum as town before. Damdred is just mia and might not be alignment indicative.
Still no commitment on me! Null at best. That would be great if LS had any other scum reads but all he has are soft town reads and null reads.
Still no conclusions on Oats. Soft defenses on rsoultin & rayn & vivax a second time in this game. Another "I want to give him more time to post" this time on sicklucker.
Solid red.
6) Blazinghand Started reading the thread and his analysis of this game should come through around the same time as his analysis of British Empire Mini II.
7) Tictock I'll be happy voting for him if only to get him to stop putting all his reads in spoilers
On March 02 2019 10:27 Damdred wrote: LS is town, that is all.
More when I get home and find a town circle to kill from within.
Ehh, I can't make up my mind what I want to say about this, I agree with him (which typically gives me townfeels for Damdred) but this feels like an easy, "free" read and post from Damdred. For some reason was noteworty to me... idk.
Great detective work! I would love to have you on my team as lead investigator! I will be sure that the corporate office hear of this amazing discovery!
Best, Chezinu Isunizehc
Why does this game irrelevant post get praise from you Chez?
On March 02 2019 10:33 LightningStrike wrote: Me and Damdred aren't masons even though I wish we were masons
Honest to a fault... Totes town.
Willing to give solid townleans on Trefl and LS, and a minor townlean on Damdred thus far. I've also got a bit of a gutread on FF at this point, but I'm not sharing it yet.
What's interesting here is that the foundation of all of this is LS's first three posts. I don't know which three posts qualify but up to the "me and Damdred aren't masons" LS has posted nothing of substance, town or not.
Damdy is town because he agrees with LS. He's masons with LS and LS is town so they can't be scum together. Oops LS isn't a mason but LS is town and Damdy is still town because he said LS is town.
LS can be a hard player to read, but all these posts are honest sadness that people are starting to play for real and not just joke around and shoot the breeze as many recent games have started.
Not saying I have some kinda God-Read on him or anything, but that is how I try to and what I get from those posts.
So all of his town reads by association come from a belief that LS is honest. And that belief is predicated on the fact that LS was joking around.
HF seems to be posting to post and I don't like it, but it's not really a scum read right now. It's just him coasting.
Speaking of my Watch List, I think it's something like this right now: ... HF (just not comfortable with him just floating around the game making no impact, yet being relatively present)
On March 03 2019 13:47 Tictock wrote: Ok, I came, I saw, I did some things. Seems like ppl are not around so gunna do other things. May check in once more before bed but I am pretty sure I am not going to fully read the stuff I missed.
I'd like someone who is wanting to lynch oats to convince me why he is scum.
Similarly as to why ppl are voting HF for mayor.
If deadline was right now/soon I would push for Meap or Grack to lynch.
I don't like this post because he started with a gutread on her and acted off that information throughout the game, leading to the conclusion: rsoultin is town. It cheapens the value of all the evidence he posts afterward to support the fact rsoultin is town.
Leaning red
8) Oatsmaster Oats is one of the few players in this game who's accused too many people of being mafia rather than too few. Then retracts some of them with this:
Ace actually posted the worst idea ive ever seen what was that nonsense
OK
I think if you lean red on everyone it's only slightly better than leaning green on everyone. I'd almost call it a scum play Oats does put pressure on HF. I'd still lean Oats because even with that pressure he doesn't commit to any sort of scum team besides "half the thread", at least in any meaningful way to advance the game.
11) sicklucker The "Hi I'm mafia" post doesn't inherently strike me as bad.
The entire first page of his filter is... interesting. Starts out with a lot of one-liners and a one-liner plus a quote from TL's spam warning. To quote Trfel,
On March 03 2019 11:26 Palmar wrote: So this is not a joke, I am going to do nothing but vote Sentinel until he comes in to the thread and says "I have read my role PM". Just pile votes on him because he's playing a strategy that's only advantageous to mafia.
this, as I said in the previous post, is probably the best thing you can do as scum right now. This is the second-to-last post at the time I wrote this.
On March 03 2019 13:32 LightningStrike wrote: With that being said I probably will try to sleep now hopefully we get more people to post and shit. Will check everything when I wake up!
Hey ls how do you think about the current game. I know your town its really boring but you are and if your not ill kill you later anyway . Knowing you I want to keep your contributions to the game really simple of people you know. I want the dirt boo I want the dandred reads and such. thats your job this game keep it simple but effective. and when im mafia you can lynch me in final 3 like always its fine
And this is the final post. Lots of fun stuff here. Claiming LS is town despite having no takes on him before or after this moment, asking LS to provide reads he himself can build off off, and another "I'm the mafia" joke which again in a vacuum isn't bad but on the tail end of a post like this looks bad to me.
Overall, no real scum reads, 1/2 iffy town reads on rsoultin and LS. However here's some mitigating factors:
On March 02 2019 22:50 sicklucker wrote: like im sure there have been some good negative reads for example. I liked rayns read on me that somethings off. I kind of agree on that one
On March 02 2019 22:59 sicklucker wrote: I mean not just accurate just something I think a townie would feel about me since I havent played this shit game in years
These posts give me the suspicion that SL isn't scum but just being bad town given that it's his first game in a while and it's got 35 people in it. Palmar would probably policy lynch him but I'd rather find scum than take a risk on a bad townie who at least has the ability to lynch red players with everyone else.
12) Acrofales What I don't like about Acrofales is that he read the same TT post I did but somehow he thought TT did a good read whereas I thought he did the opposite. What I do like is he posts a definite shitlist:
I do think he has a strong justification to vote for Palmar Mayor rather than HF mayor in that Palmar's fate in the thread is dictated entirely on whether or not I'm scum. It's a more one-to-one relationship. Whereas even if HF is wrong, a malicious HF could use all the other stuff to look town.
15) Chezinu I'm not reading the RP. There's probably something good in there especially in the second half of his filter but I don't care enough to look for it.
17) ExO_ Came into the thread and posted a bunch of memes and left. Hasn't done anything since. The only reason I'd give for vigging him in particular of all the inactives is that he interacted with people (by posting memes), rather than just saying hi and disappearing (which could be for any IRL reason as well). He was following the thread if not reading it.
19) [UoN]Sentinel Confirmed town
26) Mocsta He just came in so I'll probably develop my takes further. Here are some of his deep dives and my thoughts on them
On March 03 2019 23:47 WaveofShadow wrote: Hai mocsta! Not missing much. Hf/rayn yelling at each other, Palmar wants mayor to dispose of sentinel cause he won't read his role pm. Pretty stavdard stuff.
Hmmm
So far i read sentinel / sicklucker / palmar
Sentinel seems ok. Like his first couple posts were iffy but seemed quite comfortable/relaxed esp when asking for vote pile up. I didnt like acro in sentinel filter. Cheesy focus on lurjers.. reqd like he was polishing a turd. Im not against a policy lynch but it would be purely that. I would prefer mayor vote on him so ppl are forced to take a stand for the lynch itself.
Sicklucker i read cos i thought he was tubesock lol... filter seemed ok too. Nothing stood out to me and seemdd to have some focus. Not posting to shit the thread
Palmar filter was good because it had some quotes from rayn and acro. I like that rayn picked up on acro.. palmars counter about weak play are fair and aceo is a solid player. But i give higher credit to weekend and massive game = preference to cop out even if mafia. I do like palmat back and forth with rayn and even though i know palmar excels at pushing for thread soapbox position it read as if he was trying to work with the thread instead of pretend to keep up a facade.
Onto acro filter now
The most interesting thing here is the Palmar take. He offers some soft counters against the Palmar mayor platform even though he ultimately agrees with it. On one hand at this point it reads like "I'm behind Palmar but if things don't work out I'm giving myself this escape route".
Between this and his analysis of Acrofales and trfel though, and taking into account he had a huge thread to work with by the time he showed up, what I like about Mocsta's posts this game is they've been consistent. He starts with the player's meta and compares it to their play up to now in this thread and draws his conclusion on whether they're town or scum. As opposed to deciding whether or not a player is town or scum based on hunches/other motives and then finding evidence to buttress his position. This is pretty honest play and
On March 04 2019 00:30 Mocsta wrote: I will place on whoever has highest vote count at this point.
as long as "at this point" doesn't extend too long into D1 I think Mocsta is looking slightly green. I'd like to hear more from him though before I can firmly say he's green or not.
27) Koshi No posts yet
28) Trfel Happy birthday!
Just like SL he "Hi I'm mafia" post in itself doesn't strike me as bad. What does strike me as bad is the back-and-forth about how many mafia there are in the game. His exchanges with first HF and then Conversion come at a time when rayn and a few others are trying to grill LS and MZ. Trfel and Chezinu provide a lot of volume between every post in that attack. The flip side to this is that by the next page both he and Chez are gone and the attacks continue, so it's not like he was just running interference as scum until rayn et al. took the heat off his teammates.
On March 02 2019 21:59 Trfel wrote: I actually kinda want to lynch sicklucker.
He's currently contributed almost no reads (if I recall correctly, dislike of Acrofales and a town-to-meh read on rsoultin). Yet he took the time to defend himself verbosely from the slightest suspicion of rsoultin, which feels highly overdefensive, but his argument was defending his townread of rsoultin while his read, just previously posted, seemed far less committed:
On March 02 2019 17:08 sicklucker wrote: rsoultin is town dawg. maybe. na. maybe. na
Does that make sense? It doesn't look like he's trying to find mafia, just trying to exist.
This is correct but I'd also like to point out prior to making this post he had precisely zero reads except calling rayn "maybe mafia" before retracting it in his next post. His next substantial post is agreeing with rsoultin that Tubesock is mafia and providing zero new or contradictory thoughts on TS in that entire post. Then comes this:
On March 03 2019 06:39 Holyflare wrote: If you don't comment on a really obvious inconsistency I'll be sad.
I agree Oatsmaster's play has been quite subpar so far, and I agree that his assessment of your play this game is awful. However maybe I'm wrong in this but I don't feel like his play is mafia-motivated at all. I don't really think mafia would want to enter the thread late and use a bunch of garbage reasons to push suspicion at people, including people like you who are quite likely to respond and respond with a lot of weight. It would be an exceptionally stupid move.
Maybe it's dumb but that makes me actually not want to lynch Oatsmaster right now. Or was there something else you were referring to?
On March 03 2019 06:44 Holyflare wrote: No, it's that. That's quite a common oats mafia play. Throw darts blindfolded and be controversial and hope something sticks.
On March 03 2019 06:50 Trfel wrote: Also it's easier to just vote for Oatsmaster than look at his meta so I'll just be doing that.
This is a really scummy move. He provides some counterarguments to HF, and then dismisses his own case taking HF at his word. This makes me think he didn't actually consider whether or not Oats is scum but just waffled a bit to figure out which way the wind was blowing and then take his position accordingly. Putting all this together it looks like Trfel is in the thread pretending to find scum without actually contributing anything to finding scum.
On March 03 2019 04:05 Tubesock wrote: There isn’t anyone I want to lynch.
If I were mayor I’d sheep Holyflare most likely for the 2nd lynch.
I'm thinking I'd like to lynch you!
Or are you making this guy mayor, Ace?
That’s fair. I can vote HF for mayor sure. I don’t see how you could get me wanting Ace mayor out of what I said.
You were one of the two names Ace threw out to make someone non-contributing mayor.
Figure you're reading closely enough to say what you'd do as mayor, which no one else had mentioned but Ace, but still don't want to put forward an opinion about anyone.
Reads scummy to me.
When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me?
Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why?
Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear.
I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too.
I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember.
I like this. Pressures people to take more risky positions = information.
On March 04 2019 01:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote: @HF, you seem like a cool guy, but I'm thinking my mayor vote will be going to Palmar. You've got a bit of a loose cannon vibe going on whereas Palmar is essentially Judge Dredd.
@rsoultin: Chezinu is our albatross. If you kill him you'll be thirsty for the rest of your life.
@LS: I don't understand this weird martyrdom thing you're doing. If you're town why the heck would you want to just roll over and die because a couple people scumread you? Bad vibes.
His LS read agrees with my LS read but isn't as strong. I dislike the Palmar justification because it seems to me that the end result is the same (both want to lynch me atm) but HF has offered more information to act on. Especially since in the last post Wiggles showed approval for HF, so it's not like he thinks he's red or anything.
31) BloodyC0bbler Posts some early reads, hasn't done much since. Most interesting is his defense of Chezinu and attack on rsoultin for attacking Chezinu. Acrofales has said everything I want to say about him so I'll just quote his post:
2) Cobbler posted some reads and something provocative, and gave time for them to answer. I liked his first post and will wait for more. The fact that he's aggressive seems fine. Not going to do anything meta with it, because the last time I played mafia is probably 4 years ago or so and while I remember playing with Cobbler I can't for the life of me remember his alignment. I do remember him being aggressive tho, but not abusive.
32) Ace The only thing of substance he's done in the thread so far is propose to nominate a lurker for mayor before disappearing from the thread. But it also does carry the cost of another NK. The lurker doesn't even have to show their hand since there's a lot of plausible deniability between "I haven't been keeping up with the thread" and "In the 30 minutes I've been here I think [suspicious townie] is scum". This gives me red vibes but Ace hasn't been here long enough for me to say for certain.
34) iamperfection Comes out the gate with a bunch of one-liners. The rough sequence is:
1. I lean green on Tictock 2. I lean red on MZ 3. Jock had a bad post 4. Acro had bad posts 5. Chez has bad posts and is running interference 6. Sentinel's town read is prescient of his role. The man in the gif holds up 5 fingers which means it's a 5/5 play 7. Actually Tictock might be red 8. Oats is bad but not red
35) Rels Came in here twice to post twice, hasn't done jackshit since
On March 03 2019 11:32 LightningStrike wrote: Sent is policy at best I wont lynch him unless there is no better option honestly.
There is literally no better option on day 1 than policy. Those are the best lynches on day 1 because you get rid of trash on a day with no information.
Getting rid of trash on a day with no information = no further information besides whether or not said trash was scum or town
I'm not reading my PM, pile those votes on
Ok. So you literally read your role PM right after this defiant yell in the face of Palmar's mayor run.
Why? What changed your mind?
I went to sleep after making that post and woke up to a wagon on me. Actually two wagons since Palmar was leading the mayor vote and I was leading the lynch vote. My options were to either read my role PM or let it ride for another 12/24 hours. I decided I might as well find scum to lynch as town or save myself as either alignment and read the PM.
On March 10 2019 16:16 Tictock wrote: Sential is probably scum just for the way overblown explanation/defense of his townread on Ace. Or whatever the hell that post was supposed to be.
Stellar analysis bud. Keep in mind I did all of that not knowing HF was going to flip town
Having the exams for all of my classes on the same week really crippled me N2 onwards, and I'm sad I didn't get to cause a little more havoc by doing a massive OMGUS case on Tictock before I died. But all in all scum won so I guess I did my job well
EPT
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