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Our next letter is quite unpleasant. The contents of if describe various threats of death and bodily harm to your host in graphic detail, and the letter also looks to be smeared with what appears to be excrement.
Though the signature is partially obscured by said foul substance, we can make out some of the letters: A--of-l-s.
Now, we have a suspicion of who this misguided individual could be, and so we'll be addressing this hate-mail.
+ Show Spoiler [Disturbing Letter to our Host] +On March 08 2019 06:25 A--of-l-s wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 05:58 Vivax wrote:On March 08 2019 05:50 A--of-l-s wrote:On March 08 2019 05:48 Vivax wrote:
Looks like Ill have to vote BH then to ensure this isnt another fuckup day. Just look at wiggles first, please? His posts where he talks to TS seem good to me. TS was like "If Im mayor, ill sheep HF", effectively avoiding to give out an opinion on anyone. WIggles picked up on that. Third post he calls out like 3 or 4 dudes (you, sent, conversion) for not sticking their neck out, effectively sticking out his own. Idk, just doesnt seem mafia to me. Also, he most likely was the first to catch TS, so kudos to him. I can do any other player I have listed in my final list. And BH is the next one in it. Ok. You're right. The interaction with TS is actually okay :/ But it's from this point onward that I just read mehhhh: Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 14:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
What do you think of the Acro case Oats?
I've been going back re-reading his posts and the case on him, but I'm having trouble making up my mind. I'll probably sleep on it and re-read again in the morning. "please tell me what to think, I'll get back" (never did) Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 05:48 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 05 2019 05:44 Ace wrote:
Blazinghand don't get yourself lynched for bs. If you're town you just waste a day as there's no real discussion being generated regarding you, and it's an easy wagon for Scum to hop on. Thank you! Felt like I was yelling into the wind Claims he was advocating for BH being town (although I have no idea how Ace got there either), when he was advocating for a mayor to shiv BH rather than lynching him: Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 04:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
What's with the BH train? If you want to kill a hardcore lurker like that why not use the mayor lynch? I don't see the benefit Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 06:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I'll consolidate onto trfel, feels better than Conv to me right now.
I read rsoul town for what it's worth Yeuchhhh Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 12:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 05 2019 12:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
Anyway, as much as tooting my own horn is super fun (man I was a goddamn all-star scum player---I think my winrate might have been better than HFs)---
I want to make this clear before I post a little on rsoul
We are lynching ONLY HF OR BH tomorrow.
The game can't proceed properly until that's done. Of those two, I'd rather HF die. Not sure if for personal/fun reasons or not, but whateva. I will not be pushing anyone else actively.
I'll be interested to see what you say about rsoul. Don't read her that way and would rather she doesn't catch a bullet. Hopefully someone takes care of BH tonight. I get that HF needs to flip too. =/ "Please tell me what to think" take 2. Nothing he did in D1 was to take solid stances. The very start of the game he was pressuring TS a bit, but dropped it when he got no support and it kinda just faded. Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 12:34 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
As much as I didn't like Conversion, Marv seems cool so far. Not only is this a lie (he scummed trfel over conversion), but marv came in looking pretty townie. If wiggles is scum this is such a safe play! Gain easy town credit when later in the night you shank him. So fucking simple (and btw, I've done this). Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 14:50 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Rayn, is your read on Acro still the same? You had him pegged as scum earlier.
I don't see it after the second half of the day and the reaction to the Palmar lynch. He's helping move the game forward in a useful way now, even if he's wrong about some things (like me) "Please tell me what to think" take 3. Then there's a lot of just generally just looking like he's saying stuff without actually saying stuff. I mean. Do I have a sure read on Wiggles? No. Not really. He could just be a town that's really struggling with the length of the game. But I'm more confident that he's scum than I am that BH is. And for the rest I'm sure Palmar had a damned good reason to suddenly spam the thread with Wiggles is Mafia. He didn't do that with Sentinel, BC or HF. He read Wiggles filter and you can see the alarm bells go off in his head. He never really said why. But it's blendy shit and reads like a blendy mafia. I have played a scumgame with Wiggles a looooong time ago, and remember bussing him at some point for being all blendy and lurky and stuff. Same as this play. But not sure I ever played with town Wiggles, so meta case is not a good case here.
Now this individual claims several times that your host is asking callers to tell him what to think about some of our other citizens, rather than making up his own mind. We can say that this is a patently false statement.
After our first interaction asking about esteemed citizen Acrofales (no relation to A--of-l-s, we hope), we made up our minds that we consider him to be of a green persuasion. See our lack of joining the mob looking to do him violence on Day 1. We later press Rayn (who we are suspicious of!) about their read of Acrofales (who again, we think is town). The case put forward by Rayn appears to be a bunch of hooey from our perspective, so we want to see if he'll double-down on it, which they have more than done throughout the night and this day cycle, even going so far as to avoid the other wagons.
rsoultin was another of our town reads, so any cases put forth to attempt to undermine or sway opinion to the contrary were of interest to us. This was especially important, because cases made and pushed throughout the night could persuade the vigilante element of our society to take things into their own hands. Many of our players are a little buck-wild, to put things lightly, so it was a valid concern.
Lastly, regarding our dearly departed suicidal team mate BH, we did not want to see a large wagon on him on D1. We felt that the wagons and votes of the day would provide information that would be useful, and that this would be subverted by having the entire town jump on a martyr who we could instead let the mayor take care of. We did not once claim a town read on BH, but have leaned null (early) to scum (recently). Regardless of BH's alignment the Day 1 wagon was very easy for scum to hop onto if they so desired without needing to put forward any contribution.
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On March 08 2019 12:50 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 12:39 Ace wrote:On March 08 2019 12:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
Man you know what sucks the most about all this? I don't think we learn dick all about anything from this lynch.
Wow. Fucking brilliant. Well I'd love to hear your insight at any time. From my point of view, both wagons are town and nobody else had a hope of getting lynched all day, so people were free to pile on if and when they wanted. But by all means Ace, school me.
Are you sure no one else had a chance of getting lynched? Less than four hours before the lynch, this was the standing:
On March 05 2019 05:13 kitaman27 wrote:
Day One Vote Count
Lynch
Conversion (5): Palmar, Mocsta, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood, Alakaslam
Acrofales (4): Damdred, Fecalfeast, raynpelikoneet, Tictock
Blazinghand (4): Holyflare, Acrofales, Grackaroni, iamperfection
LightningStrike (2): [UoN]Sentinel, Rels
Trfel (3): Tubesock, sicklucker, Vivax
Koshi (2): Onegu, WaveOfShadow
Grackaroni (2): Meapak_Ziphh, Oatsmaster
Fecalfeast (2):Trfel, Pandain
Oatsmaster (1): Jockmcplop
Meapak_Ziphh (1): Conversion
[UoN]Sentinel (1): [brown]Chezinu[/brown]
iamprefection (1): BloodyC0bbler
Not Voting (7): LightningStrike, Blazinghand, ExO_, rsoultin, darthfoley, Koshi, Ace
At this point I'd say the field was wide open, and the eventual lynch was fourth in the standings. It could be useful for someone who has the constitution to wade through those four hours of crap and piece together what went down again.
I believe this was after BH started martyring (given the votes on him) but before his wagon went full steam ahead. The Acro and Conversion wagons dissolved and we coalesced into BH and trfel. If Acro's town like I believe, then none of the four leading wagons were hitting scum. =/
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On March 08 2019 13:13 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 13:09 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 08 2019 12:50 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 08 2019 12:39 Ace wrote:On March 08 2019 12:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
Man you know what sucks the most about all this? I don't think we learn dick all about anything from this lynch.
Wow. Fucking brilliant. Well I'd love to hear your insight at any time. From my point of view, both wagons are town and nobody else had a hope of getting lynched all day, so people were free to pile on if and when they wanted. But by all means Ace, school me. Are you sure no one else had a chance of getting lynched? Less than four hours before the lynch, this was the standing: On March 05 2019 05:13 kitaman27 wrote:
Day One Vote Count
Lynch
Conversion (5): Palmar, Mocsta, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood, Alakaslam
Acrofales (4): Damdred, Fecalfeast, raynpelikoneet, Tictock
Blazinghand (4): Holyflare, Acrofales, Grackaroni, iamperfection
LightningStrike (2): [UoN]Sentinel, Rels
Trfel (3): Tubesock, sicklucker, Vivax
Koshi (2): Onegu, WaveOfShadow
Grackaroni (2): Meapak_Ziphh, Oatsmaster
Fecalfeast (2):Trfel, Pandain
Oatsmaster (1): Jockmcplop
Meapak_Ziphh (1): Conversion
[UoN]Sentinel (1): [brown]Chezinu[/brown]
iamprefection (1): BloodyC0bbler
Not Voting (7): LightningStrike, Blazinghand, ExO_, rsoultin, darthfoley, Koshi, Ace
At this point I'd say the field was wide open, and the eventual lynch was fourth in the standings. It could be useful for someone who has the constitution to wade through those four hours of crap and piece together what went down again. I believe this was after BH started martyring (given the votes on him) but before his wagon went full steam ahead. The Acro and Conversion wagons dissolved and we coalesced into BH and trfel. If Acro's town like I believe, then none of the four leading wagons were hitting scum. =/ I'm talking about today.
My bad. Looking back, the Ace wagon had less people on it than I thought it did. I think there were a bunch of people in thread saying they'd go for it, but never committed with a vote. I read HF and Ace as more likely to be town, so that probably doesn't help if the early HF counter-wagon was also on to a town target.
Ace wagon has Mocsta, Jock, Tube, and a late entry by Tumblewood as the official voters. I feel ok about Mocsta, people should know how I read Tube, and Jock and Tumblewood are in my pile of guys I either haven't read super closely or lean slight scum like FF, Rels, Onegu, Exo...
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On March 07 2019 22:41 LightningStrike wrote:
Just woke up I see Wiggles is now scumreading me but I not going OMGUS him since I know he hasn't played with me before. I got some comments.
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Wanted to get back to this. Mind explaining what this is supposed to mean? I called you out for what looked like you stopping to scum-hunt and sitting happily on the HF lynch. You changed stuff up after that post was made, but was this response supposed to be some kind of meta thing I should know?
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On March 08 2019 13:31 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 13:16 Alakaslam wrote:On March 08 2019 09:59 Mocsta wrote:On March 08 2019 03:32 Tubesock wrote:
I don’t see a world we can swap off BH to kill much more likely mafia and not have HF get lynched.
I have two hours of useful consciousness, so if there’s any ideas I’m game. Good post Agreed is it? i actually dont recall tubesock doing anything with this when i read through. fuck.. actaully terrible from him then.
I'd assumed it was sarcasm from you at first lol
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Hey Ace, you asked me about BC but then never followed up. I'm curious about your own thoughts towards him. How are you reading BC? I'm still convinced he's scum.
On March 07 2019 13:58 Mr. Wiggles wrote:We're opening up the lines, and we've already got our first caller! Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 12:57 Ace wrote:On March 06 2019 10:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote:BC is a scummers. This post before deadline reeks: + Show Spoiler +On March 05 2019 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Wait. I go to fucking work then sleep and come back to this clusterfuck? Why for the love of god are we lynching Palmar of all fucking people. You may hate his fucking guts right now but of all the "vet" or big name players in this game hes actually put in more effort than anyone fucking else. Do you disagree with his reads? Likely. Do I? On some of them yes. But the guy is clearly playing for the town. Have any of you guys played with him? or remember games with him? He does this shit consistently with town. He polarizes everyone in the game for or against him to get reads / generate discussion. Sometimes it may just be because hes being an asshole or believes hes better than you. So no I am not down for lynching him -_- If you were going to off an old school player at this point just to do it you'd be better served with offing Me, Ace, BH, or MZ tbh. We all have done basically nothing in comparison. We as an entire group have literally designed a day that lets mafia just slide by and do sweet fuck all and based on thread sentiment could get away with it for way way way too long. Sure you could after the fact try and harass suspects for reasons but basically everyone can regurgitate the same horseshit and you get borderline nothing. So. HF get the fuck off Palmar. You may hate his fucking guts / think hes the worlds shittiest player but the guy is clearly attempting to help the town at this point and has done far more to push that then most in this game. How about instead we look into this pool. Onegu Why? 1) Says he will be try hard. Is clearly not thus is not living up to what he said he would attempt. 2) Reads currently given have no substance to them 3) Clearly skirting by the activity requirements 4) Basically just has posts with 0 content Iamperfection I have already brought him up in my last analysis post. Basically it is very similar however to expand on it. Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 05:40 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2019 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
My response is more or less going to be impacted by your response to my question. i probably wont give my full reads until tomorrow. i think your probably town though cause i think your confused by my play and are trying to figure out my alignment Since I have been waiting now for awhile to see what reads he has. Let me sum it up for you. He hasn't posted any of value. Why? Because he hasnt posted any reasonable reasons. He has also asked for what? 3 vig shots now on players Someone like this whos played as long as he had know better. This isn't behaviour IMO of a townie. Its scum. He gets to come in, yell at town, and then set himself up to look vindicated if Palmar dies. No comments on any of the active wagons of which we know two (trfel, conv) were town, and says he disagrees with some of Palmar's reads without going into specifics. Very easy way to posture for 'town points' without needing to commit to anything. Besides that he's jumped on a couple other points but hasn't accomplished any real scum hunting in thread. Wiggles, not sure of the timing of the vote nor do I really disagree with this post. But I just checked the voting thread quickly and see BC has a vote on HF. Unless he finds reason to move, do you think BC + HF is a possible scum team? I also called BC scummy for the post near last EOD but outside of this do you sense scum motive from him? Hmm, could BC + HF be a possible scum team? I guess it's possible. I've had a town read on HF, but if that's wrong and he were to flip red, I don't think that clears BC. A bus of HF today would be pretty easy to support for scum, considering all the people lusting after his blood coming out of N1. I find BC to be a relative non-entity in this game who comes in long enough to throw around some accusations and act holier-than-thou before going to ground again. I think the exchange with Jock is a decent example of this. When Jock comes in with a weird post about HF, BC jumps on it but ends up mostly just berating Jock. BC's points don't do much to advance the case on HF itself but do allow him to blow up on what Jock is attributing as motivation to HF. Before BC came in there's been other people town reading HF, but BC doesn't try to address any of those points, instead he just hops on Jock's bad point because it's easy. For example, I'd contrast his play with yours right now. You're coming back into the thread after some time away, but you're adding comments about stuff you've read along the way. This is helpful and advances the thread. BC on the other hand comes in, plops down a post and then interacts with a couple people present in the thread (usually in a confrontational/negative way) before leaving again. It's obvious he's read the thread because he's putting forward a couple cases, but out of everything else that happens he seems to have basically no comment.
It's the same old song and dance from BC today as well. We have him come in and rage about the decision to out the mason:
+ Show Spoiler [SanguinePie] +On March 08 2019 06:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote:What the fuck is going on in this game? I leave for a bit and the thread turns to a shit show -_- How the fuck has more or less the entire thread glossed over the fact we had Rsoultin out Rel's role because she thought he was mafia then proceeded to not seriously push him as a candidate whatsoever Then proceeded to remain voting for someone she doesn't fully believe is fucking scum. Seriously wtf is wrong with you guys. We have already had a bunch of blues flip and no one questions seriously why its ok for someone to out another players role on a gut read? IMO there is literally no reason to out rels at this point in time unless you plan to go ham on a scum read. Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 05:57 Blazinghand wrote:On March 08 2019 05:54 sicklucker wrote:
Well if we dont kill hf now hes never dying. So ill just have to asume hes town if thats happening and pray mafia nk him and reevaluate if I dont kill. I dont think we have the votes to kill him today is what im trying to say. so lets set up a side wagon to bh. But fuck I dont have enough time We only need like 3 votes on HF. please vote him and stay on him. Don't say "let's just assume he's town for no reason because he's too good at convincing people to ever be able for us to lynch him" wtf Jesus fuck.
Again, this is a really easy thing to pick on as scum because it's just yelling about mechanics and 'standard play'. A bunch of stuff people seem to do now looks weird compared to how we did things in the days of yore, but it's easy even for an old dog like me to see that it's simply a different kind of meta. For BC to react like this says that he either doesn't understand that, which I doubt, or that he's simply fishing for something to comment about without needing to fake scum hunting.
The other posts he makes are just more useless arguing with HF. Browbeating HF does little to advance town, even if you're convinced he's scum. It would be way more productive to either push reasons to not lynch BH or try to dismantle the defence/rationale that other posters have put forward to not lynch HF. Instead he rolls around in the mud with HF for a while before popping out of the thread. Same old stuff he's been doing for the last couple cycles.
BC is a pretty solid lynch for Day 3, I'd say.
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I'll be signing off of the Dead Zone Show a little early tonight. Sweet dreams Liquidia. Remember to send in your mail and we'll be sure to read it on air during the next show.
See you soon!
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Not sure what that's about, but good luck Slam.
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Catching up on phone. Good shot Tumblewood 
Guess I was wrong about Rayn though
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On March 09 2019 11:24 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +Day One Final Vote Count
Mayor
Holyflare (16): Tubesock, Holyflare, rsoultin, Ace, Mr. Wiggles, Jockmcplop, Mocsta, [UoN]Sentinel, Pandain, sicklucker, raynpelikoneet, Fecalfeast, iamperfection, Damdred, ExO_, Trfel
Palmar (12): Palmar, Ticktock, Meapak_Zipphh, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Conversion, Alakaslam, LightningStrike, Vivax, BloodyC0bbler, Acrofales, Blazinghand
iamperfection (4): darthfoley, Tumblewood, Koshi, Oatsmaster
Chezinu (1):Chezinu
Onegu (1): Onegu
rsoultin (1): Rels
Lynch
Trfel (11): Tubesock, sicklucker, [UoN]Sentinel, Koshi, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood, Fecalfeast, Jockmcplop, Acrofales, Vivax, Conversion
Blazinghand (10): Holyflare, Grackaroni, iamperfection, Oatsmaster, WaveOfShadow, raynpelikoneet, Trfel, rsoultin, ExO_, LightningStrike
Conversion (3): Mocsta, Alakaslam, darthfoley
Acrofales (2): Damdred, Tictock
iamperfection (2): BloodyC0bbler, Blazinghand
Koshi (1): Ace
Fecalfeast (1): Pandain
Grackaroni (1): Meapak_Ziphh
LightningStrike (1): Rels
[UoN]Sentinel (1): Chezinu
rsoultin (1): Onegu
Mr. Wiggles (1): Palmar EoD1 votes with conrfirmed flips and claims so ya BC wasted his vote on a throwaway on iamp and town was scattered all over the place on the two lynch wagons Day 1. Ace,Pandain,MZ, Chezinu, and Onegu wasted their votes Day 1. might have a scum within those throw away votes since town was so scattered it's a safe play to do that.
Looks like Chez and Onegu also stayed off the mayor wagons.
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Here's D2:
On March 08 2019 09:00 Dandel Ion wrote:
Day Two final Vote Count
Blazinghand (13): Mr. Wiggles, Rels, Holyflare, [UoN]Sentinel, rsoultin, AMG, Mocsta, LightningStrike, WaveofShadow, Tictock, Tubesock, ExO_, Tumblewood
Holyflare (9): Blazinghand, sicklucker, BloodyC0bbler, Alakaslam, Oatsmaster, Ace, darthfoley, Acrofales, Vivax
Acrofales (2): raynpelikoneet, Fecalfeast
Ace (1): Jockmcplop
rsoultin (1): Onegu
[UoN]Sentinel (1): Grackaroni,
Mr. Wiggles (1): Meapak_Ziphh
Not voting (2): Damdred, Chezinu
Blazinghand is lynched.
A few scattered votes here too. Cross-referenced to D1 there's Chez (technically?), MZ, Onegu who are common between them.
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MZ seems to be doing the 'vindicated abstention' thing where votes for whichever scum read regardless of where the lynch is actually going.
Onegu has just been tunneled in on rsoultin.
Chez was AWOL
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Going to watch a movie. I've got to re-evaluate my reads after, but I'll be around to talk for a while.
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On March 09 2019 11:41 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Going to watch a movie. I've got to re-evaluate my reads after, but I'll be around to talk for a while.
I lied.
Hitting up a bar now with some friends. You guys will get either the drunk or morning edition of the Dead Zone Show depending on your luck. Remember to send in those letters!
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Haha, it's your boi Mr. Wiggles here with the Dead Zone Show. Liquidia's number one and only late night radio show. Good evening to our long time fans and first time listeners alike. (praise copy paste) Whether you're a towny up past their bed-time or a shit-eating scum we're here with you tonight as we go over the happenings of our fine town.
This is a surprise edition of the the Dead Zone Show where the host is nice and liquored. In a twist turn of events it's 3:30 AM local time, so we're giving you both a drunkern and early morning show at the same time. Lucky you, right? Stay with us as long as we're awake as we deliver hot takes and sick analysis on the red menace tearing our society apart.
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On March 09 2019 19:29 Vivax wrote:
Ace is poisoner and the mafia wants him dead, seems like a good theory.
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Acro writes in some thing about us having a weird interaction ewith Tubesock. We say that the distinction here is that Tubesock thinks that your faithful host's behaviour is similar to his own, but we do not agreee with that. We see TS as lacking in scum hunting or professing reads. It's D3 and we have only a faint idea of what the gentlyeperson in question actually thjinks. As town that's a pretyy big WTF. There's no reason to lay low and keep your cards close to your chest at this point. We're playing mafia, not poker. Seems way more likely to be scum motivated as not contributing reads or solving the game allows you to not get caught in a contradiction or take pressure for your views lqter on. You might take heat for not helping town out (like I've been trying to do to TS) but otherwise you can keep laying low and hope town passes over your redness.
So for Acro's point, I don't see our play as the same. That's why I can say that Ts' thing about replacing me with him in my case makes him scum. He supposedly agrees that the main thrust of what I wrote points to scum, but tries to undermine it by sayoing it could point to me as well. I don't think our play is the same, so I don't believe you can honestly do the replacement. In that case, he's just saying that his own play is scummy, but that I shouldn't gibe him crap for it since he thinks I'm doing the same, which I'm not.
Voting this guy to die
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vivax, in the space of two posts you went from Ace is 3p (not mafia) to ace is mafia. what are you doing?
I do not understand
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Old man Ace wrote in:
On March 09 2019 17:01 Ace wrote:
My reason for Wiggles was the little chat we had about BC. It was like he believed BC was scum and then disappeared. Difficult to tell because he could have legit been afk.
You're right. I did believe BC was scum, and then I went to bed for the night and to work in the morning. I have basically two periods of time I can post during the weekday. One is in the mornin if I'm able to ctch up to the thread in time to be able to do anything before work since I' don't like posting without knowing what;s actually going on. The other is in my evening time where apprently no one else is around, and that's when we run the Dead Zone Show. We ask our faithful listenrs to write in, but not many people do and a lot of the ones who take time to pen us a message are usually asking for us to go die in a fire, for whatever reason.
The other part of that is I posted why I think BC is scum, you asked me some thing about that case, to which I answered, and then you never ended up following up on that. I asked you about it last night cycle and continued the same case based on his bs D3 posting, and then you answered some crap about how we weren't going to lynch BC even though he was scummy scum scum.
I don't get how you're saying I'm scum now because I didn't push BC or something when I definitely was. Of course I wasn't going to pursue that lynch on D2 when we had the HF/BH conundrm to solve. I though HF was town (surprise, he was!) and thought BH's play was scummy. I'm not going to try to start some other hopeless wagon in that case, especially because my availabilty stops me from being around to spam posts about killing a guy all day
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